Middle East (IRC Report) Motion to Take Note 3.24 pm Moved by
Lord Howell of Guildford To move that this House takes note
of the Report from the International Relations Committee The Middle
East: Time for a New Realism (2nd Report, Session 2016–17 HL Paper
159). Lord Howell of Guildford (Con) My Lords, in moving this
Motion I should...Request free trial
Middle East (IRC Report)
Motion to Take Note
3.24 pm
Moved by
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To move that this House takes note of the Report from the
International Relations Committee The Middle East: Time for
a New Realism (2nd Report, Session 2016–17 HL Paper 159).
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(Con)
My Lords, in moving this Motion I should declare an
interest as I am on the advisory council of the Kuwait
Investment Office here in London.
First, I thank all those who took part in our inquiry,
which gave birth to this report before the House today,
especially our absolutely excellent clerks, our many
witnesses and, of course, all my colleagues on the
committee. I also thank the Foreign and Commonwealth Office
for its just-in-time response to the report—it came through
last night—which is broadly supportive, although, needless
to say, it does not accept all our strictures or
suggestions and, in my view, misses one or two key points
to which I will return.
It is customary when debating reports from your Lordships’
committees to say that the report and the debate are timely
but, in this case, both our report and this debate have
been hard pressed to keep up with the onward rush of
chaotic events in the Middle East region. Since we
published this report back in May we have seen, first, the
horrors of Syria grow even worse, if that is possible, with
a quarter of a million people dead, with Russia drifting
into growing conflict with America and the American-led
coalition of which we are part, and where we still seem to
be fighting, confusingly, on two fronts, against both Daesh
and Bashar al-Assad, and in collusion with some very
strange allies. Then we have seen President Trump go down
to Riyadh, where he was received royally, although
undoubtedly by his words he helped to raise the temperature
between the Gulf states and Iran.
Meanwhile, the GCC states themselves have now fallen out
with various parties lining up for and against Qatar; Iran
has started firing missiles into Syria; and President Assad
has received one “punishment” dose of American missiles and
has now been again accused of planning chemical weapons
attacks and has been threatened with, as it were, a
repeat-as-necessary dose. The Libyan chaos has deepened and
the killing and cholera in Yemen have spread further.
One more-positive development is that the ISIS caliphate
story is reaching closure, or seems to be—at least in a
territorial sense—as coalition forces close in on the heart
of the old city of Mosul. Tabqa in Syria has been
liberated, and hopefully Raqqa will soon be next. But the
franchised violence round the world of a stateless Daesh is
proving just as poisonous—of which we have had a terrible
and tragic taste here in Manchester and in London in recent
weeks. Meanwhile, 4 million-plus refugees languish in camps
in Greece, Turkey and of course in Jordan and Lebanon, and
others flow from the Maghreb through Italy—12,000 last week
alone. Millions, even tens of millions more—so we were
advised by witnesses—are to come.
We have to ask: can we disengage or stand back from this
maelstrom? Our report concludes that we cannot possibly
disengage, even if we wanted to, but that our engagement
must develop in radically changed ways in a radically
changed Middle East region. Technology is unravelling the
whole global world order, including in the Middle East, and
if I have one reservation about the government response, it
is that it does not seem quite to fully recognise this
colossal development.
Our report addresses these changes at three levels. First,
looking at the longer cycle of historic change over the
last century, the Middle East is clearly no longer the
vital and dominant oil and world energy source it was,
although it is still significant; the states which were
born 100 years ago from the line-in-the-sands carve-up
between France and Great Britain have been and are being
challenged; and Russia is of course back in the region with
a vengeance.
Secondly, coming up to more recent times, we are seeing
Syria and Iraq fragment in hideous civil wars. We have seen
the Israel-Palestine conflict harden, and the problem of
Hamas remains unsolved, although some interesting talks are
beginning. We have seen the ill-named Arab spring—which the
Foreign and Commonwealth Office admits caught it by
surprise—turn to ashes everywhere except, I hope, possibly
in Tunis. We have seen the great country of Egypt go
through the full cycle, from autocracy to warped democracy
and then back to military rule and some kind of stability,
which we must devoutly hope survives. Iran has become a
little more amenable although we cannot be sure how deep
that goes. That is certainly not the view held by some of
the Gulf states, which see Iran consolidating an arc of
power across Syria to its Hezbollah surrogate in Lebanon.
Meanwhile, the whole region is looking much more to the
East for its markets, investors and allies so that its
stability—or gross instability, which is what it is—is no
longer just a western issue in this post-western age.
Then we come up to the present moment, to the boiling edge
of now, when the whole scene is shifting again. President
Trump’s America is emitting uncertain messages, posing for
us the question of whether we need to reassess the
relationship. The government response seems to think
working with the USA just carries on as before. Our report
in fact disagrees to a certain extent. Meanwhile, Russia
and Turkey are patching up their past quarrels, although
which way Turkey is going remains hard to assess. Is Mr
Erdogan’s NATO allegiance now in question? We do not know.
Turkey has certainly given up on EU membership.
The whole Middle East and north Africa region is one of
extreme youth with 60% of people aged under 30. Tens of
millions are unemployed, although almost all of them are
empowered by digital communications technology—the mobile
phone, the web and social networks—the impact of which it
is almost impossible to overstate. Also, there is what has
been described as a Cambrian explosion in cheap and lethal
high-tech weaponry, in drones and missiles of all kinds, so
that every tribal group and cell now acquires immense and
lethal firepower which conventional forces find it almost
impossible to cope with, as for example in Yemen at
present. Of course, the Islamic religious divisions, which
in past centuries were—from time to time—relatively
quiescent, have now been disastrously inflamed.
Meanwhile, the Iran nuclear deal is now in question, thanks
to President Trump and the US Congress; the Kurds are
fighting for state identity as never before; and, as has
already been mentioned, the GCC states are divided, with
Qatar in the dock, although with allies from Turkey to
Oman, and Kuwait seeking to be an intermediary. It is a
very serious development for us since Qatar is a huge
investor in UK infrastructure and assets—an issue on which
we just cannot take sides.
So what is our way forward in face of this ugly and bloody
tangle of issues? First, and obviously, there are no neatly
comprehensive strategies for such a varied region, divided
by staggering contrasts between massive wealth and massive
poverty, and in so many other ways as well.
Secondly, post Brexit, we will need to carve out our own
course and agenda and define anew our interests, with less
automatic reliance on the USA in underpinning the whole
region’s security. I know that Henry Kissinger was reported
the other day as saying that Brexit could bring the US and
the UK closer together, but that depends on whether the USA
turns away from protectionist, unpredictable and
inward-looking policies. The government response to our
report has nothing to say on this aspect, nor, while it
talks of UK regional interests, is it clear as to how these
may be profoundly changing.
Thirdly, after Brexit we are certainly going to need to
work much more closely than ever with some of our
neighbours, especially France, with her enormous experience
in the Middle East—sometimes in the past pitted against
us—and her world power status and position at the UN and so
on.
Fourthly, we argue in the report that we should stick with
the Iran nuclear agreement—the so-called joint
comprehensive agreement—even if America does not.
Fifthly, we argue that the two-state solution remains the
only feasible goal for Israel and Palestine. On that front
the Trump ambitions to bring the Arab states and Israel
much closer together may be in the right direction.
, no less, suggests
that this is an opportunity to change the whole dynamic of
the region in a positive way. Let us hope so.
Sixthly, supplying arms so plentifully, as we do, to the
Saudis involves us in the Yemen imbroglio and humanitarian
crisis, whether we like it or not. We urge that a firmer
line should be taken with the Saudis about weapons use and
if necessary some further export licences should be
suspended, but I am not sure the Government agree with
that.
Seventhly, we must strengthen our old bilateral links and
secure new ties, or foster old friendships and new
partners, as the Prime Minister likes to put it. With
Jordan, Lebanon, Tunisia and Morocco we should cement our
already strong friendships. Algeria, too, should be a
friend. We should intensify our soft-power deployments on
every front, not just trade and security, through our
considerable intellectual and creative firepower. We should
act through the spearhead of our universities to open minds
and close down old hatreds, just as we already link up with
hundreds of universities across the Commonwealth network
today.
The Government are acting positively in some of these areas
but we can do much, much more: by being as open as possible
ourselves; by welcoming Middle East students, and indeed
taking students out of the overall immigration figures,
which we asked for—a step which the Government continue
firmly to reject; by using our powerful communications
networks to counter false and fake stories and insist on
distinguishing between facts and shallow opinions; by
resourcing properly our diplomacy and our main soft-power
agencies, such as the British Council; and by maintaining
up-to-date, agile and best-equipped Armed Forces for
careful deployment where the opportunity for discourse or
dialogue simply does not exist, as in the case of Daesh,
which does not wish to talk, only to kill.
In the end, the battle is not between religions, sects of
religions or states but between moderate and extremist
futures—two separate narratives and visions—throughout the
whole Middle East: one violent, one peaceful. There are
clear limits to what we in the UK can do but we can play a
strong part in that struggle both through our own example
of tolerance here at home and through the utmost respect
for the Muslim faith, as well as with constant and vigorous
support for the rules-based global order, whether through
refurbishing old institutions from the past century or
helping to build new and parallel ones in a networked
world, especially with the new Asian powers.
This report offers many other ideas and proposals for what
is in effect a new panoply of world, and Middle Eastern,
conditions. I have given the House a summary of the new
realism we call for, and I hope it will find favour with
your Lordships and more broadly. I beg to move.
3.36 pm
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(Lab)
My Lords, this report and what has already been said
confirms what I have learned in 50 years’ involvement in
many projects in the Middle East: the situation is complex,
multifaceted and interconnected; apportioning blame and
trying to negate the narrative of “the other” just makes
things worse; and solutions are best developed by the
people in the region.
Progress can be made with well-meaning groups on all sides
working simultaneously, both horizontally and vertically:
horizontally across the piece, straddling the various
divides between individuals of differing cultures and
religions, and across the leaders of the nations in the
area; and, at the same time, vertically with small local
projects at ground level and, at the mid-level, with
leading academics, businessmen and NGOs, and then with the
Heads of State and Governments at the top. Were we to
co-ordinate these both vertically and horizontally, we
could make further progress.
I should like to offer your Lordships some hope by
describing actual projects at all levels. At tier 1—at
ground level—next month I shall be visiting a small,
budding project whereby very religious Jewish ex-settlers
who were told to leave Gaza and live in Eilat need someone
else to grow their food in their sabbatical year. Every
seven years, religious Jews are, by dint of their beliefs,
not allowed to work their land and must let it rest. Across
the border in Jordan, the Bedouin women whom I am visiting
have offered to work the land and create a business
supplying these Israeli religious Jews with food in that
seventh year. However, the women can work only during the
day, so Syrian refugees in southern Jordan have joined the
partnership to work the night shift. Entrepreneurial
Jordanian nationals have seen that there is a business to
be had in working these fields by exporting the
high-quality crops every year to other countries in the
Middle East. I love it: Israeli Jews, Bedouins, Syrians and
Jordanians—a win-win-win-win situation with a combination
of interests, and I am going to try to help them.
Another group, PICO Jerusalem—an innovation hub melding
people from all cultures to work together in start-ups in
Jerusalem—is in the process of launching an initiative to
bring education in technology, innovation and
entrepreneurship to adults, youths and children in
Jerusalem with all its environments. On the ground there
are hundreds of such projects.
At the next level up, a movement called Two States, One
Homeland—I have spoken about this before—is asking the
people on both sides to try to understand the narrative of
the other and to accept, with compassion, that that is the
genuine belief of those on the other side. For example,
many Israelis are accepting that the Palestinians believe
that the region is their homeland and they want
consideration of their right to return. Palestinians, on
the other hand, are accepting that Jews believe that the
whole area is their homeland and that living in parts of
the West Bank is precious to them. Having accepted these as
differing historical contexts, they have agreed to work
together on a plan called Two States, One Homeland, which
comprises the state of Israel, a state of Palestine, but
also a confederation across these two sovereign states.
The best international lawyers are agreeing to help the
people on both sides to create a constitutional settlement
for a confederation, and international security experts are
deciding how the separate countries run their own military
and police force and co-ordinate this with the
confederation. On trade and investment, finance and
currency, there is already a team of Palestinians, Israelis
and international investors working on this. On the holy
sites, rabbis, bishops and imams are all working together.
Thirdly, at the highest vertical level and horizontally
across the whole region, there is a group promoting a
regional initiative. Prominent Israelis, business people,
ex-military and security figures, diplomats, scholars and
Middle East experts are working together with Palestinians,
Jordanians, Egyptians, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi
Arabia and have recently developed a regional diplomatic
proposal to resume negotiations that leverages the Arab
peace initiative and the Israeli peace initiative. The
spread is wide and deep. President al-Sisi of Egypt can see
the rightness of this for the region and for his 90 million
people, and is encouraging us. The aim is that this whole
contiguous region, where over one-third of all those living
in the Middle East—150 million people—will find work,
welfare, health and education and human rights.
As the report shows, we in the United Kingdom are in a
unique position to move things forward, and it would be in
our own interests to do so. We have expertise in education.
British people helped to set up and develop the great
universities in Israel, including the Weizmann Institute of
Science, where I am a life governor, the Hebrew University,
Ben-Gurion University, and the Shenkar College of
Engineering and Design. We are now working in Egypt,
together with UK universities, to build a new university on
200 acres of land in Cairo, with 30,000 students in year
five. I declare an interest as an adviser to Knowledge City
Cairo.
In health, media, the arts and, of course, business, the UK
has a unique soft power. We can help triangulate
partnerships. For example, Egypt has the best long staple
cotton in the world. The noble Lord, , has worked for
five years with Manchester University on a research project
that shows that now is the time to regenerate the
Lancashire textile manufacturing industry, using Egyptian
cotton. Israel is the world expert in these technologies
and the farming methods. We are helping them all to work
together.
The United Kingdom is uniquely placed to give assistance to
these processes. The report suggests that we should not be
trying to influence people by laying down rules and telling
them what we believe is right. We have made too many
mistakes like that in the past. However, we have the skills
to be able to host and facilitate complex conversations at
all levels to help people reach a consensus, and all these
people would feel comfortable and safe here in the United
Kingdom and here in these premises. In 2004, I hosted, here
on the Estate, senior officials from 22 Arab countries who
agreed the Arab peace initiative in 2004.
I am suggesting that Her Majesty’s Government, together
with us in Parliament, set up a system to host a series of
meetings with people horizontally from across the region
and within the nations vertically, from top to bottom, so
that those people can feel comfortable and safe and discuss
projects and help to meld them into an overall, cohesive
plan. The report is a good basis for us to kick off such a
project. Let us do it.
3.43 pm
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(LD)
My Lords, I refer noble Lords to my entry in the register
of interests and to the more than 20 visits over the past
year or so that I have made to the region. The title of
this debate and the report call for a time of new realism.
The speech made by the noble Lord, Lord Stone, suggests
that we also should not totally lose sight of idealism, but
it is very hard, given the fact that the first three and a
half minutes of the chairman’s speech was taken up simply
listing the atrocities, conflicts and tensions that exist
within the region.
Over the weekend, I was in my home area in the Scottish
Borders and there was a festival at Galashiels Braw Lads
that marked ceremonies that took place on the Tweed in 1503
on the marriage between the English and Scottish royal
families. The war between the two countries continued and
peace was fragile for centuries still.
Modern Arab history started with the Ottoman conquests in
1516-17. Regions have long folk memories—and
conflict-afflicted areas have significantly long folk
memories. From the end of the Ottoman conquests to the end
of the First World War, when western powers staked claims,
then to the Cold War and the growth of Arab nationalism and
Baathism, and now more recently a region convulsed by
intrareligious tension and desires for liberties from the
rule of hierarchical and closed systems of powers, we are
seeing a major instability, as the committee report states
and as the chairman so ably outlined. The birth of modern
Arab history also saw the end of rule by themselves for
four centuries. The global power bases of Damascus, Baghdad
and Cairo were replaced by Istanbul, then London and Paris.
The fall of the Ottoman empire a century ago heralded in a
century of flux, and on the anniversary of that we are now
facing a century to come where we have few answers and, in
many respects, few hopes.
We are perhaps in the first decade of a new period of the
regional history. The failure in many respects of the
nation state and the removal of a regional order is to be
replaced by the birth of a technological century focused on
young people—but young people with fewer opportunities
ahead of them than previous generations, with record levels
of unemployment and the ability for technology to spread
fake news and extreme ideology as well as the positive
elements of their own societies.
We have to take stock and it is right that we debate what
role Britain can play in the century to come. We cannot
wipe clean our history within the region, nor should we be
restricted by it. I commend the committee staff and our
policy adviser for helping us consider the areas we should
be focusing on in the next century.
We start from considerable UK interests in the region. As
the chairman said, our annual trade with the GCC states is
worth a hefty £38 billion; British Armed Forces are
involved in both Syria and Iraq as part of the coalition
against the hideous Daesh; and humanitarian assistance from
the UK is second only to the US, with over £2.3 billion
committed. It is saving lives every day of every week and
we should be proud of it. Our staff in the region are doing
sterling work. NGOs from the United Kingdom are also doing
fantastic work. As alone says—he likes to
be quoted in regard to our relationship with Qatar—they own
the Shard, the Olympic Village, Harrods and Chelsea
Barracks, and London City Hall is owned by Kuwaitis. The
list goes on and shows the depth of our relationship, not
only in military and diplomatic but also in economic ties.
However, I detect that there is a greater enthusiasm from
the Government to highlight the economic and the trade
rather than a wider interest in the political and social
relationships within the region, and that that is likely to
be the focus as we enter a new post-Brexit scenario.
Given the breadth and complexity of the current position,
we could dedicate days of debates on each of the different
individual issues—on Syria, on the Israel-Palestine
question, on Iraq and the future of that country, on
security in the eastern MENA and Maghreb region, on the
Gulf tensions and the relationship between Turkey, Iran and
Saudi Arabia, not to mention the incoherence of US policy
and the aggression of Russia. All these issues warrant deep
and careful consideration, so inevitably we must limit
ourselves in this short debate to observing a number of
issues and making recommendations.
I have some sympathy with the Government’s response to the
committee. They argue that because there is so much
complexity there is no one single solution nor one single
approach. I welcome the Government’s response that we now
have a one Whitehall approach on the Middle East, as they
put it. I cannot speak for other members of the committee,
only for myself, but I was not able to witness that within
the evidence the Government presented to the committee. I
hope that at least, if nothing else, we have stimulated
some focused thinking within Whitehall.
The Government cite regularly our P5 status in the Security
Council, our unique history in the region, our EU
membership, up until now, and our very close ties with the
United States. But with this comes responsibility. I hope
the Government are taking seriously the observation from
the committee that the UK has had an inconsistent approach
and lack vision, because it was meant with great sincerity.
I agree with the consensus of the committee in its
recommendation that the role we wish to play in the region
needs fresh, forward-looking thinking—one that should focus
almost relentlessly on the next generation of young people,
in addition to their relationships with their nation
states. We can at least enhance the next generation’s view
of us and what we represent as a country, our values and
interests. The problems are complex and multifaceted, but
as Chris Doyle of CAABU put it:
“British Middle East policy has never been consistent or
even ethical. And that is almost certainly an unrealistic
goal, but it should aspire to narrow the gap between
perceived interests and its proclaimed values, though it
has to be clearer what both are in the first place”.
In a much-lauded speech in December last year on the UK
being back east of Suez, the Foreign Secretary said that,
“any crisis in the Gulf is a crisis for Britain—from day
one; that your security is our security and that we
recognise the wisdom of those who campaigned for a policy
of engagement east of Suez—that your interests military,
economic, political—are intertwined with our own”.
If we are back east of Suez, the test most surely would
have been in the current tension within the GCC, but where
has the UK been on this to seek a resolution? With
inconsistency from the US, as the chairman alluded to, and
inaction from the State Department we simply must draw the
conclusion that the Foreign Secretary’s speech was, if not
irrelevant, certainly a considerable overstatement. I
suggest that there is scope for a London conference, where
we would use our pretty considerable relationships in the
region to seek not only a temporary solution, but a deep
solution addressing deep and complex relationships between
the two.
On Syria, we detected inconsistency. That was highlighted
simply in the Foreign Secretary’s session with us: at the
beginning of the session, he had a policy, but it had
altered at the end. The Government’s response to the
committee adds a little more clarification, but not
wholesale. On Syria-Palestine, our recommendations are
clear, and I hope that the Government will give an equally
clear recommendation.
In my final moments I wish to address the humanitarian
crisis that is afflicting the region. We have migration in
the region, perhaps even more than during the Lachish
campaign 3,000 years ago—it is an unprecedented historical
crisis. In last week’s Queen’s Speech debate, I asked the
Government whether the international community was meeting
its objectives for raising the funds. Last year, the noble
Baroness, Lady Anelay, stated that £12 billion had been
raised in one day; the largest amount ever for a
humanitarian crisis. Last week, the Minister told me there
was £8 billion and only £6 billion has been allotted. I
hope he can provide clarification.
The committee report deserves cold, realistic reflection. I
hope that this debate will be the start of that and that
the Government will continue to give it due consideration.
3.53 pm
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(CB)
My Lords, I have the privilege to serve on the
International Relations Committee and to have been part of
the inquiry into the Middle East. I echo the grateful
thanks we owe to our clerks and policy analysts for their
superb support.
The first point I would like to make is about our
methodology. We were conscious that, in the region of our
inquiry, young people between 15 and 24 make up more than
one-quarter of the population, and in some countries this
figure is even higher: for example, in Jordan 70% of the
population are under 30. The young tend to be excluded from
formal political processes, but they are well-informed and
connected by technology, not only within their own country
but globally, and so have become increasingly activist and
questioning. We were keen to reflect the views of young
people from the Middle East in our evidence. The views of
the usual suspects, if I may respectfully refer to them
like that—current and former ambassadors, Ministers, senior
civil servants, diplomats and professors—are, of course,
absolutely vital, but that was not going to give us the
inside story of what young people think.
Our round table, attended by 19 young people from 14
countries, was both enlightening and innovative. Their
views surprised us on some issues, reassured us on others
and certainly gave us some ideas and perspectives that we
could not possibly have heard from anywhere else. A great
summary of what they said they welcomed as positive British
social and cultural influences was: the BBC World Service;
Premier League football; and Monty Python. I suggest that
this form of consultation with young people might be a
standard feature of methodology for all Select Committee
inquiries to consider, whatever the topic.
Two prominent themes to emerge from our discussions with
the young people are important threads throughout the
report: stability and soft power. I want to make a few
brief comments on these, in particular on the role which
language skills play both in promoting stability and
exercising soft power.
A core conclusion we reached was that the priority for
British policy should be to encourage efforts at
stabilising the region. A number of witnesses, including
some of the young people, told us that they would choose
stability over democracy any day. It was clear to us that
one of the most effective drivers of stability across the
region is support for the expansion of educational
opportunities and educational reform, and the UK has a
crucial role in this.
We are talking about education in the countries concerned
as well as creating more opportunities for young people
from the region to come to the UK to study. On the former,
the British Council is already playing a huge and
constructive role, with a presence in 17 countries in the
MENA region and 1,600 staff. Its work is not only in
teaching English but in programmes which promote various
skills of public life, such as debating and social
activism. One British Council initiative has delivered 100
social action projects since 2011 among the displaced
Syrian community, spanning education for children,
community peacebuilding and women’s economic empowerment.
On the other side of the educational coin, the report also
recommends that the UK should continue to encourage young
people from the region to study in the UK, which will
increase our influence among future leaders and
decision-makers. However, as the noble Lord, Lord Howell,
said, we strongly agree with other reports to your
Lordships’ House stating that the UK Government should stop
treating students as economic migrants and remove them from
calculations of immigration figures. It is extremely
disappointing to see that the Government response continues
to resist this recommendation.
But education cuts both ways, and our inquiry also revealed
something of a skills deficit in the UK as far as the
Arabic language is concerned. Speaking another language is
not just about mastering grammar and vocabulary but brings
with it the cultural understanding which promotes greater
facility in diplomacy, trade, security and community
cohesion. It is a myth that everyone speaks English. Even
though speaking English is almost always an advantage in
today’s world, speaking only English is a huge
disadvantage. Arabic is the fastest-growing language on the
internet and social media. We are fortunate that the BBC
World Service is expanding its reach in the MENA region. In
its evidence to our inquiry, it told us of its investment
in the Arabic service’s digital offer and plans to
strengthen existing TV and radio output.
However, our witnesses from both the World Service and the
British Council pointed to the deficit of Arabic speakers
in the UK. Despite the need for speakers of Arabic, and
indeed of Farsi, for access to the region, this remains a
need insufficiently supported by Her Majesty’s Government.
This is very short-sighted, as a British Council analysis
found that Arabic is important for the needs of export
growth and future trade relations, as well as for security
and influence. It also said that the learning of Arabic was
about British young people being more,
“internationally mobile, open and curious to the world”.
Yet, the head of Arabic services at the World Service told
us that its attempts to recruit Arabists, or Arabic
speakers, in the UK usually come to nothing. Indeed, it is
shocking that Arabic is offered at degree level at only 15
UK universities out of 167. Somewhat surprisingly, the
learning of Arabic has increased in schools, but these are
overwhelmingly those belonging to the Association of Muslim
Schools, which are faith schools, and the Arabic being
taught is more likely to be the classical Arabic of the
Koran than modern standard Arabic, which is taught in only
a handful of mainstream state schools, often as an
extra-curricular subject. Just for the record, and in case
our report should confuse or be misinterpreted, I must
point out a misprint in paragraph 396, where the words
“Modern Standard Arabic” are misplaced and look as if they
refer to the classical Arabic of the Koran rather than the
Arabic being taught in mainstream schools. Of course, MSA
and classical Arabic are not the same thing.
The report recommends that the Government should invest in
a long-term plan to increase the UK’s expertise and
proficiency in Arabic. There is a good model for this in
the existing £10 million a year partnership between the
Government and the British Council with the Mandarin
Excellence Programme. However, the Government response says
that this is not on the cards for Arabic because Arabic,
unlike Mandarin, is not sufficiently established in
schools. Surely that is a circular argument: the Government
appear to be saying that they will not invest in boosting
Arabic because it is too weak in schools; it is weak in
schools because it is not getting enough government
support. Is the Minister prepared to reconsider the
Government’s position on this and come up with something
similar for Arabic, including an equivalent level of
financial investment in what is clearly in Britain’s
long-term interests?
4.01 pm
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The Lord
My Lords, in my contribution to our debate on these complex
matters, I will comment on two areas. I do so with great
appreciation for the report, so comprehensively introduced
by the noble Lord, Lord Howell. It is full of excellent,
empirical detail. We ought also to pay attention to certain
overarching factors or narratives.
For my first point, I go back 30 years to the excellent BBC
series presented by the historian John Roberts, “The
Triumph of the West”. A book of that title was published to
accompany the series. I reread it recently and thought how
perceptive and prescient it was. Perhaps politically
correct censors would not allow the title these days, but
John Roberts’ compelling thesis was that the essential
message of contemporary history was the dominance and
penetration of western civilisation, driven on by the power
unleashed by modern science. The term “globalisation” had
yet to be coined, but in part of course it names the
phenomenon. Modern science derives from western European
civilisation from the 16th century onwards and carries many
of the implicit assumptions of our culture. John Roberts’
name is not as well known these days as it should be. I
knew him a little because he was a history don and later
warden of my old college, Merton, although in those days I
was an unreconstructed and perhaps even reprobate chemist.
Sadly, he died prematurely but his works are still worth
reading again, as I say.
Modern rejection of western civilisation, often presented
in what I agree is a false Islamic guise, can probably best
be seen as a kick-back against the very triumph and
hegemony of that which it protests against. Of course,
ironies abound, as when the report says that the IS/Daesh
conquest of Mosul in 2014 was enabled in part by 40,000
tweets on Twitter in one day by the conquering forces. They
use the products of western civilisation in their very
protest against it. Unless we understand better the
underlying dynamics of what is driving events, our
political responses are likely to be either ineffective or
even counterproductive. Although the term “culture wars”
can be overplayed, there is a significant element of truth
in that description of what is going on today, focused in a
particular way in the Middle East.
Secondly, and following on from this, we need to recognise,
as the report does, that our reaction to the various events
we call the Arab spring was far too naive, simplistic and,
indeed, optimistic. The report calls our reaction
“muddled”. We were too optimistic that the Iraq war would
usher in modern, western standards of democracy and human
rights. We were much too optimistic in our backing of the
original protest and rebel groups in Syria, as we are
gradually coming to realise. In saying this, I recognise
the monstrous character of the behaviour of Saddam Hussein
and of President Assad—certainly of the forces under his
control. But despite the appalling dimensions to their
character and behaviour, we also need to acknowledge the
downside of the chaos in Iraq since the end of the war and
in Syria since the uprising began there. In Iraq, for
example, it is estimated that more than three-quarters of
the Christian population has either fled abroad or been
killed.
Warnings went unheeded. I used to be a member of the
Central Committee of the World Council of Churches, which
comprises about 150 representatives from around the global
Church. I recall six or seven years ago the anguish of two
Syrian Christian leaders at the support of western
Governments for the anti-Assad forces. Despite his other
failings, Assad had protected the minority communities in
Syria, and they feared that this protection would
disappear, which is exactly what has happened. The
experience of the substantial Christian communities in
Syria has been a sad and sorry tale of displacement and
persecution. The report touches on these matters, but I
think it could more honestly and fully acknowledge
the—entirely well-motivated—failures of western policy in
Syria, not least in relation to other religious minorities.
I have said nothing about the Israeli dimension to the
situation, although Israel is the country in the area that
I know best. I have visited it half a dozen or more times
while I have been a Bishop and I have taken more than 500
people from my diocese on pilgrimage visits there,
including more than 100 just a few weeks ago. We will be
debating Israel tomorrow in relation to the Balfour
Declaration, but let me tie it in in this way: Israel
represents—or presents itself as—a highly economically
successful, militarily sophisticated and powerful western
state. That is how it actually impacts when one goes there.
In its own way, it testifies to the triumph of the West in
the midst of Arab and Muslim cultures that can find this
very difficult to accept and accommodate. Our policies in
the Middle East need to take a careful and sophisticated
account of these underlying cultural and, yes, religious
issues. The religious side could be overplayed, but I think
the report tends to underplay it.
My conclusion, which the report echoes here and there, is
that our future influence in the region will rely much more
on soft power than coercive or military approaches, with
education and aid to the fore. Indeed, quite a lot of our
foreign aid already goes to the region, but education has
been underplayed in what the report calls a “transactional”
emphasis in our relationships with the countries of the
region, as the noble Baroness, Lady Coussins, has just so
clearly explained. Somehow we and other western countries
need to appear less “in the face”—if I may put it that
way—of the countries of the Middle East, seeking less
cultural dominance, as it is perceived by them, and a
greater spirit of collaboration as the countries of the
area evolve in our irreversibly global world.
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(CB)
My Lords, I suspect that it was clear to all of us on the
International Relations Committee that we were going to
need a strong injection of humility as we embarked on an
analysis of a Middle East in chaos, confusion and rapid
movement. If we demonstrated that humility in the report—I
hope that we did—it owed much to the wise leadership of our
chair, the noble Lord, , whose
introduction to the debate was a good summation of what we
have tried to say.
After all, we need that humility because Britain’s
interventions in the Middle East region since the Second
World War have not been a series of unblemished successes:
the overthrow of Mosaddegh, the Suez fiasco, the bungled
occupation of Iraq and the power vacuum in Libya. There
have, of course, been some successes: the noble Lord,
, persuading the
European Union to champion the two-state solution for
Palestine, the reversal of Iraq’s aggression against Kuwait
in 1991, the saving of the Kurds from Saddam Hussein’s
wrath and the nuclear agreement with Iran. So there is a
balance, but there is plenty on the negative side, which is
what pushes the case for humility.
It also pushes the case for a complete review of Britain’s
policy for a period ahead more likely to be characterised
by continuing tensions and turmoil than by stability. That
case seems to me to be unanswerable. I have to say that we
found the Foreign Secretary’s rather bombastic claim that
Britain was back east of Suez pretty unconvincing. That is
a slogan, not a policy. The advice given by an experienced
American witness, Dr Richard Haass of the Council on
Foreign Relations—“Above all, do no harm”—seemed closer to
the mark. It also seems clear to us that all the outside
players who dominated the Middle East region throughout the
20th century—the United States, the Soviet Union and then
Russia, Britain, France and Turkey—are no longer in a
position to call the shots and they should not be trying to
do so. However unpromising the short-term prospects may be,
the countries of the region should be given a greater say
than in the past.
The single most worrying trend in a deeply troubled region
is the mounting rivalry between Saudi Arabia and Iran,
which is often presented, rather misleadingly, as an
age-old conflict between Sunni and Shia. The view that the
report takes is that it is in fact fundamentally contrary
to our own and our western allies’ interests to see that
rivalry being perpetuated or, worse still, for it to spin
out of control into open hostilities and that a fortiori we
and our allies should not get involved on one side or the
other of this rivalry. That is what makes President Trump’s
intemperate and ill-judged remarks during his recent visit
to Riyadh a cause of such deep concern. There is plenty
wrong with many aspects of Iran’s external policies, which
need to be resisted, but to launch a rhetorical onslaught
on the newly and fairly re-elected President Rouhani, who
had committed himself to a policy of deeper engagement with
the outside world, was surely not a wise judgment and to be
proved to have given to Saudi Arabia and its friends a
blank cheque to accentuate tensions with its neighbours, a
step uncannily similar to the blank cheque that the Kaiser
gave to the Habsburg empire in June 1914, which did not end
terribly well, seems to us pretty reckless.
Considerations are taking place, no doubt, about how to
resolve the problem that has arisen with Qatar, but I hope
that the Minister can say something in his reply about the
consultations that presumably have taken place and are
taking place between us and our closest ally over all this
and over the heightened tensions within the Gulf
Cooperation Council.
Then there is the matter of the Iran nuclear deal, in
support of which the Government’s firm line, along with
four of the five other members of the P5+1, is very
welcome. But would it not be wise to seek to move on and to
remedy at least one of the main defects of that
agreement—its relatively short duration —by generalising
and globalising the constraints that are set out in it for
the future, so that Iran is no longer treated as a pariah
but merely on the same lines as other non-nuclear states in
the world? That course was recommended in our report.
However, the Government’s response to it is Delphic to the
point of obscurity and I hope that the Minister, in
replying to this debate, may have something a bit clearer
to say on that.
No report on the Middle East can afford to neglect the
issue of Palestine. To try to wish it away or to behave as
if it does not exist has never worked in the past and will
not work in the future, particularly not while illegal
settlements in Jerusalem and on the West Bank are
proliferating and making matters worse. That is why our
report put forward a proposal that the Government should
consider recognising Palestine as a state, which would be
the clearest possible way of showing our continued firm
support for a two-state solution. The Government’s response
to that seems to me to lack any credibility and seems to be
drawn from a set of briefings that I can remember from
something like 30 years ago.
One other theme runs through our report, which is that we
cannot and should not turn our backs on the Middle East.
The noble Lord, Lord Howell, set out clearly why that is
not a viable policy. The region’s future development
directly affects our own future prosperity and our
security, whether as a source of refugees, a source of
terrorists or a source of natural gas and whether as a
potential source of dangerous, destabilising conflict or,
if we can only make some progress in stabilisation, as a
source of prosperity and reduced tension. We need a clear
set of policies towards the Middle East region, post
Brexit, and they need to be different from the failed
policies of the past.
4.17 pm
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(Con)
My Lords, I congratulate the Minister on his appointment,
including on his role as the Prime Minister’s Special
Representative on Preventing Sexual Violence in Conflict. I
pay tribute to his predecessor, the noble Baroness, Lady
Anelay, and also join my noble friend Lord Howell in
thanking everybody who made the work of the committee
possible.
I fully support the Government’s efforts against terrorism:
there is no more important responsibility, and I am aware
of how challenging it is. But I was concerned during our
inquiry by the impression that British foreign policy
towards the Middle East has narrowed into the fight against
Daesh, and that less emphasis is being placed on the
long-term goal of more open and stable societies in the
region. Even though this task has undoubtedly become even
harder in recent years, we cannot lose sight of it, and I
am sure the Minister will agree.
I know that many noble Lords wish to speak, so I will
quickly reflect on three areas in our report, all linked to
UK policy towards Gulf states. The first is Yemen. Millions
of Yemenis are facing dire food insecurity, cholera and
potential famine—not because of a natural disaster but
because of the conduct of the war by all sides, including
the blockade imposed by the Saudi-led coalition. Whatever
the complexity of the conflict, the UK and our partners
should use the full weight of our diplomacy to insist on
immediate and unfettered access for food, medical supplies
and humanitarian assistance. I hope that the Minister can
update the House on this.
The suffering of civilians in Yemen has also heightened
existing public concerns about the use of UK defence
exports to Saudi Arabia, with £3.3 billion of licences
approved in the first year of the Yemen conflict, as our
report shows. I know from my experience that Ministers
weigh such decisions extremely carefully and scrupulously,
and that they are not easy, but I put it to the Minister
that the time has now come to reconsider any defence
exports that could be used for offensive purposes in Yemen
in order to be able to give the public more robust
assurances.
The Foreign Secretary told the committee that he believed
the United Kingdom to be “narrowly” on the right side of
international humanitarian law when it comes to defence
sales to Saudi Arabia. In my view, our country should never
rest on being “narrowly” in the right. We must always
strive to be absolutely sure, and wherever there is doubt
we should err on the side of law and our principles. I say
this while recognising the great importance of our security
and defence co-operation with the Gulf states and of our
defence industry.
The second issue is the demand from Saudi Arabia and others
for the closure of Al Jazeera. The Government have been
careful to avoid taking sides in the dispute over Qatar,
but UK policy should be unequivocal on a fundamental issue
concerning freedom of the press. Whatever our thoughts are
on Al Jazeera, no country has the right to interfere with
freedom of expression in another. Can the Minister assure
the House that this is the UK position, in private and in
public, with all the countries involved? Can he also shed
light on any assistance that the UK is offering to mediate
in the crisis?
Our report calls for much greater transparency in UK
relations with the Gulf countries, recognising their
importance to us. An immediate step that the Government
could take towards this transparency would be the
publication of the report into the funding of extremism and
radicalisation in the UK. The public have a right to know
the extent of the problem and the action that will be taken
to address it. I hope that the Government will publish the
report as soon as possible and do whatever they can to
share information with Parliament.
Finally, I will take this opportunity to draw the
Minister’s attention to the influence of Saudi charities in
the Balkans, where non-European ideas and teachings are
creeping into the European Islam of countries such as
Bosnia and Kosovo and poisoning the minds of young people
in the region. I hope that the Foreign and Commonwealth
Office will not lose sight of this as, together with
nationalism, corruption and secessionism, it is becoming a
growing threat to security in the region—and, by extension,
a danger for this country, too.
The Government have their hands full with Brexit and
counterterrorism efforts, but the world has not stopped and
we cannot afford to ignore it. I therefore hope that we can
rediscover both our focus and our ambition to defend
Britain’s national interest and to pursue a more
comprehensive policy across the Middle East.
4.22 pm
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(Lab)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Howell, and his committee
are to be congratulated on this valuable report. I resonate
to the very wise remarks of the noble Baroness, Lady Helic.
It goes without saying that the situation across most of
the Middle East is unstable and very dangerous. The
committee has done a remarkable job in analysing many of
the issues. The idea that we should do more to reach out,
especially to the more pragmatic states in the region, is
certainly very well made. The problem is, of course, that
the issues change every day. The recent stand-off between
Saudi Arabia and Qatar is but one example, while the
dangerous flurry of activity across Syria’s border with
northern Israel is of concern. Some things never change, of
course; Iran’s continuing belligerent stance against the
West in general continues unabated, and, while I agree that
we should try to get the Iranians to behave towards their
dissidents in a more humanitarian way and that we should
maintain some sort of relationship with them, we should sup
with them with a very long spoon indeed. Their daily
threats to annihilate Israel should be deeply worrying to
us.
I will concentrate my remarks on the Israeli/Palestinian
conflict, where our efforts in the UK are, quite rightly,
to press for a two-state solution. According to recent
opinion polls, incidentally, that is also the strong and
heartfelt desire of the majority of both the Israeli and
the Palestinian population.
The question I raise is whether the tenor of the report
will help or hinder the desired two-state solution. I fear
that it may be unhelpful in one or two ways. If we are to
be taken notice of by either the Israelis or the
Palestinians, we have to be sure to be even-handed and
unbiased one way or the other. In this, I fear that the
report may not be as balanced as it might be. Inevitably,
that will make its recommendations less acceptable and less
likely to be taken notice of in the region.
The reason I say this is that, in focusing heavily on the
settlements and settlements alone, the report may be
missing a trick. Of course the settlements are problematic.
They encroach on Palestinian land and make it difficult for
the Palestinians to develop their own state, and I would
not downplay their importance in any way. But I fear that
that is far from the whole story and that there are many
other causes of the failure to reach the two-state solution
that we all want—and unfortunately they are missing from
this otherwise excellent report.
Israel is hardly going to be convinced to withdraw from the
settlements on the basis of its experience after it
withdrew from Gaza and from four settlement blocks in the
West Bank in 2003. That just brought out the worst that a
belligerent Hamas could inflict on Israel: multiple rocket
attacks and a charter that promised the annihilation of
Israel and the Jews. The 10-month pause in settlement
building a few years later by Mr Netanyahu, at the behest
of the Americans, in the vain hope that Mr Abbas would
resume negotiations, was far from encouraging.
Little wonder that my Israeli taxi driver—those drivers are
never short of an opinion, nor or they inhibited from
expressing it—said, “The Palestinians just want to drive us
into the sea”. If Israel is to be encouraged to withdraw
from settlements, it is unlikely to do so without something
more positive from the Palestinians—but continuing
incitement to terror and violence by Hamas and, I fear, by
Fatah too, fails to offer any reassurance on that front.
They will have to offer something that will give the
Israelis confidence that their security will not be
compromised if they simply withdraw. They will have to see
the Palestinians be more open to the idea that Israel will
not be able to accept all the refugees, now grown from the
original 750,000 to about 5 million; that not all of
Jerusalem, including the Western Wall of the Jewish Temple,
can become the capital—they may have to be satisfied with
half of Jerusalem; and they will have to accept that Israel
is a Jewish state, as Balfour and the British Government
proposed 100 years ago.
Of course, all these ideas are not set in stone, and will
have to be hammered out in direct negotiations between the
two of them—yet there is little sign that Mr Abbas is
willing even to start negotiations. That is why I fear that
simply pressing the Israelis to withdraw from settlements
in isolation from everything else that needs consideration
is unlikely to be helpful. It is also unfortunate, too,
that not much mention is made of the Arab peace plan
emanating largely from Saudi Arabia. Should we not be doing
more to encourage that?
Paragraph 247 of the report states:
“As political authority collapses in many Middle East
countries, the UK needs a good working relationship with
the remaining stable countries. We also recognise the
shared interests: defence sales, non-defence commercial
interests and trade, the fight against terrorism, and
security of energy supply throughout the Gulf”.
This paragraph applies to the Gulf states, but could it not
apply equally to Israel, a stable, democratic state with
just as many shared interests that are enormously valued in
the UK? The report talks elsewhere of the need to protect
the Christian communities in the Middle East. Israel is the
only country in the Middle East where the number of
Christians is rising.
I was pleased to read the Government’s response, with its
stress on bilateral negotiations between the two parties.
That seems to me more rational than the idea of
internationally inspired negotiations that the report seems
to stress. I hope that the Minister will consider that my
remarks have been made in a constructive way towards the
two-state solution that we all want.
4.29 pm
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(LD)
My Lords, I looked forward to the report and this debate,
not only because of the chairmanship of the noble Lord,
, and
the distinguished membership of the committee—because I
have always found that what he has to say and what other
members have to say is thoughtful, helpful and
challenging—but also because of the title, Time for New
Realism. I declare my interests as the director of the
Centre for the Resolution of Intractable Conflict at Oxford
and the Centre for Democracy and Peace Building in Belfast,
especially its work with the Arab Network for Tolerance and
the Westminster Foundation for Democracy on our own report
on diversity, participation and tolerance in the Arab
world.
The notion of a time for realism speaks to analysis of the
problem. When as a doctor I found patients not getting
better or even getting worse, it was a time not simply to
redouble one’s therapeutic enthusiasm and increase the dose
of medication but rather to pull back and ask whether I had
made the right diagnosis in the first place. The very title
of this report presses us to think again about how we view
the situation in the Middle East, because our policies and
approaches have manifestly not been successful. Therefore,
it is a little unfortunate that the Government’s
response—what I have been able to read of it—tends to speak
to the things that the Government are doing or have been
doing, when there is a faulty analysis of the problem in
the first place.
When I started to take an interest in these things, “Middle
East peace process” meant relationships between Israel and
the Arab countries. After a while, it moved to mean
relationships between Israel and the Palestinians—but now
when we talk about the Middle East and the possibilities
for peace we discover that disorder has spread through the
whole of the region and much beyond. That speaks to a
faulty, mistaken and thoroughly unsuccessful approach to
politics in the region, and the essential British diplomat,
the noble Lord, , pointed
that out in delightfully understated terms. It is a mess—a
disaster—and it is getting worse, so we must ask ourselves,
“What is wrong with our analysis?”.
When I started to get involved in these things, I took the
approach that has been taken in Northern Ireland—to go and
meet all involved, including those involved in violence on
all sides. I well recall, in a series of conversations with
Khaled Mashal, who at that time was the leader of Hamas,
him saying to me, “You know, people in the West don’t have
to listen to us. They can ignore what we have to say, but
they need to understand this: we are prepared to work the
system. We will stand for elections and, if we lose, we
will be in opposition; if we win, we will be in government.
We might well do things that you might not like, but we
will work the system. But people need to understand that,
if things do not move ahead—and this is simply an
observation—there are those coming after us who do not want
to work the system; they want to burn the system”. Frankly,
anybody who did not expect al-Qaeda and Daesh has not been
paying attention to what has been happening for over a
century in the Muslim world.
Going back 100 years, we have the Balfour
Declaration—which, by the way, in a very short paragraph
gave a national homeland, rather than a state, to Jewish
people, but not only for Jewish people; it was very clear
that the civil and religious liberty of those who were
already there also had to be observed. Like many decisions
of the time, part of it was observed, and part not. The
same happened on my island. Going back 100 years, we had
liberal democrat parties; in Egypt, for example, there was
a real flourishing of liberalism. But when, after 20 or 30
years, liberal democracy did not seem to have been
successful in freeing up countries to follow their own
lights and wishes and those countries continued to be
dominated by the West, it was replaced by pan-Arab
nationalism and Nasser. When he was defeated in 1967, there
was a further deterioration into authoritarian leaders.
Eventually, when that was unsuccessful, there was a further
deterioration and so on. The Arab spring, as it was
mistakenly called, was simply a further fracturing into
chaos of everything in the region; and no good comes from
chaos.
We have to understand that this is the inevitable
consequence if a group of people becomes frustrated every
time it moves to take responsibility for its own affairs.
Of course, if they take their own responsibility they will
come up with different ways from ours of governing
themselves. I remember telling me about a
conversation he had with , who was complaining
about the Welsh Liberal Democrats taking a particular
position. said, “You see, we
are a devolved party”. said, “But you are
the leader: tell them what to do”. The Prime Minister of
the time did not really understand that in Wales they had
the right to make their own decisions about what to do—it
seemed an alien concept to him. If people are elected and
we encourage them to have democracy they will make
different decisions about how they want to govern their
country, guided by their lights, culture and approach. If
we continue to interfere and prevent that happening because
we do not like the outcome, the consequences will be
disastrous, and that is what has happened.
We cannot press others to follow our lights; that is also
true of Israel. It is not for us to tell Israel how it
should behave, but it also is not for Israel to tell us how
we should behave. I do not think a two-state solution is
possible any more. For years I have heard Foreign Office
Ministers say, “If it is not done by the end of this year,
it is off the agenda”. The next year, and the next year,
the message is the same. As the noble Lord, , said,
the message has been the same for 30 years. I do not think
it is possible any more. Let us be clear: it is time for
new realism; there is not going to be a two-state solution.
If there is, we should recognise Palestine and get on with
it. If not, and some are not prepared to do so, we must say
to Israel: “You have not occupied, you have now annexed and
you must govern the whole of that country with proper
recognition for all the people who live there, not as a
kind of apartheid state—which you yourselves would
reject—but as a proper country”. We cannot continue
because, apart from the difficulties it creates for those
people in that place, it sends out the message to the whole
of the Muslim world, from Indonesia to Morocco, that we say
one thing but do something different, particularly when it
involves Muslims. No amount of fine language persuades
people in the Muslim world of anything different when they
see the way we act.
It is time for a new realism and I hope the committee and
the House take this report and go even further in following
the consequences of a more realistic analysis of where we
are in the Middle East.
4.38 pm
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(CB)
My Lords, I am delighted to follow the noble Lord,
. I know, as the House
does, how much he has done in fostering dialogue and
co-operation at a local level between Arabs and Israelis
and passing on his experience of the peace process in
Northern Ireland. Organisations like Forward Thinking can
do an enormous amount to help in the dialogue and
discussion on how to find peace between Israel and the
Palestinians in the longer term. I too thank the noble
Lord, Lord Howell, and all members of the committee who
clearly worked extremely hard at this report, which makes
us think again—which we need to do in the Middle East—and
think afresh. I agree with the broad thrust of the
report—there are parts of it with which I do not totally
agree—and believe that it is making an important
contribution.
As we have all discussed, the Middle East today is going
through its own dark ages. We have been through ours in
Europe centuries ago. Today, the Middle East is tearing
itself apart with Arab versus Persian, Sunni versus Shia
and dictators versus citizens. All this is exploited—as it
will be, of course, so long as it lasts—by extremists such
as Daesh and al-Qaeda. There is a collapse in Arab
self-confidence and a deep anger and frustration,
particularly among the young. We should all be very
grateful for the discussion on young people as they are
critical for the future of the Middle East. The shockwaves
from extremism and migration are transmitting outwards,
affecting us all. They have now become everybody’s problem.
We should pause and reflect for a moment and remind
ourselves a little of the history. In the two centuries
after the Prophet Mohammed, there emerged a great Arab
empire which extended from Baghdad and Asia to north Africa
and Andalusia. It was driven forward by innovation,
scientific learning, a great diversity of races and
culture, even freedom of travel—a contemporary issue—and a
great deal of tolerance. This empire brought about advances
for humanity through architecture, textiles, commerce, art,
astronomy and mathematics. We have only to look at
Andalusia today to see that extraordinary historic
achievement. That so-called Arab enlightenment of that
period all that time ago demonstrated a separation between
faith and reason. There were fierce philosophical debates
at that time but since then we have seen centuries of
crusades, the Ottoman Empire and the colonial empires. This
has led to a hardening of views, sometimes of both
religions, and certainly to a growth in fundamentalism and
a collapse in self-confidence at the end of the day. Today,
in the Middle East we see poor standards of governance,
lack of confidence, no internal capacity to escape
oppression, economic mismanagement and the great
frustration of unemployment, particularly for young people.
We need to learn some lessons.
I want to reflect for a moment on this history. First, it
is in keeping for Islam to have a separation of politics
and religion. Conservative theocracy is not a necessity for
Islam. Secondly, there is no case for having a clash of
civilisations between Islam and the western world: 13
million Muslims live in Europe and 3.5 million live in the
United States, many of whom live there happily. Thirdly,
against the background of this collapse of Arab
self-confidence we must remind ourselves that they should
not wait for outsiders to solve their problems—exactly the
point that the noble Lord, , made. It is for them
to solve their own problems. I understand that the Arabic
interpretation of the great British saying, “God helps
those who help themselves” is, “Trust in God but tether
your camel”. They need to tether their camels a bit more.
My fourth reflection is that the West has no interest at
all in trying to run the affairs of the Middle East. I have
seen it all myself. I am the son of a former governor of
Aden and political resident in the Gulf. Those days are
over but we have a role in supporting and helping these
countries to resolve their conflicts where it helps them
and where it responds to their wishes.
On the United Kingdom’s role, I broadly agree with the
report. We have to work multilaterally to help those
countries find political resolutions to their conflicts. We
have to use whatever influence we have, given our present
post-colonial resources. We have to work multilaterally—I
agree with the report that we should try to work as closely
as possible with France, although with a sense of realism
about that, trying to avoid the Sykes-Picot rivalry of the
past. We should also have a comprehensive approach to the
Middle East, not just trade or security but education,
healthcare, culture and other areas as well, working in
areas that we know something about and others may know less
well. We should recognise the emerging powers of the Middle
East—Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey. We need to work with
them and strike our own position with regard to the United
States but be consistent in our advice and the views which
we express to their Administrations.
I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Hannay, that the rivalry
of Saudi Arabia and Iran is absolutely key. It is a
tinderbox which could lead to much wider conflict including
in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen. They are both important
regional powers. Saudi Arabia has its 2030 vision of a way
forward with which we can work and co-operate. On Iran, we
should keep that nuclear agreement which prevents a nuclear
weapons capability. What point is there in withdrawing it
other than to exacerbate the tension? However, we need to
take seriously the proxy wars that are going on, and I like
the committee’s recommendation that we should use the same
multilateral group for dialogue with Iran on proxy wars and
try to help both those powers to move forward. We should
certainly work with Iran in developing trade links and
easing banking services and regulations. However, at the
end of the day, only those two regional powers can find a
solution to the regional conflict.
On the Gulf, I first visited that area in 1959, and today
it is unrecognisable. With the change in oil prices it will
change again, and we will see a different Gulf in 10 years’
time. We have some long-standing friends there, such as
Oman and Kuwait—the two rulers of those countries—but we
are moving on to a new age. The monarchies have survived
although many forecast that they would not, but if they
want to be stable, as we want them to be in the future,
they have to evolve into their own form of a kind of Arab
constitutional monarchy. We have critical links with the
Gulf—£30 billion of trade in the last year—and we need to
develop that relationship.
As to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, this has happened before—it
is not the first time, although the situation is tenser
this time. I suggest that the new GCC-UK strategic
partnership which the Prime Minister formed in Bahrain last
December should also provide a framework, not for us to
interfere but for us to have a dialogue with the Gulf
countries about the definition of the groups and
individuals that cause instability in the Middle East and
to try to help them reach a common view about that.
Lastly, on the Arab-Israel issue, I would like to see—one
day, in 10, 20 or 30 years—that remarkably vibrant nation
of Israel have a closer and closer rapport with some of the
Arab countries, to the benefit of the Middle East as a
whole. I do not want to give up on the idea of a two-state
solution and I support the recommendations of the report
that we should try to help by recognising the Palestinian
state internationally.
It will be a painful and long haul. We cannot yet see the
framework for the future post Daesh. I would like to echo
to the Government the advice given by that excellent
journalist, Jeremy Bowen, in his recent broadcasts: “Don’t
make things worse. Try to make things better”. The report
certainly helps in that regard.
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(Con)
My Lords, it is an honour to follow the noble Lord,
. When he said he might
have to wait 10, 20 or 30 years, my view is that we will
not have to wait that long because there is so much
activity already between Israel and some of the Arab
countries. I congratulate my noble friend Lord Howell on
his report. I have admired him over his many years of
political service—his knowledge and wisdom are widely
appreciated. I refer the House to my non-financial
registered interest as president of the Conservative
Friends of Israel.
I will concentrate on areas where I have some knowledge. I
have a theme for my few words—it is called a blind spot. On
Iran, I understand the concentration on the nuclear deal
but there is hardly a mention of Iran’s support for Hamas
and Hezbollah. In Britain we have proscribed the military
and not the political wing of Hezbollah. I have raised this
before and I do not apologise for raising it again.
Hezbollah has 150,000 Iranian rockets in south Lebanon
facing Israel. Hezbollah is proscribed by so many countries
in its entirety—the United States, Canada, the Netherlands,
the Gulf Cooperation Council, the Arab League—but not us.
Hezbollah does not distinguish among itself so again I call
on the Government and the Minister to look again at
proscribing Hezbollah in full.
I agree with the report that the UK should position itself
for a better relationship with Iran, but again, as I
mentioned, the blind spot is that there is no mention of
the support of terror in the report. On the
Israeli/Palestinian dispute, as has been said, things move
so quickly. Paragraph 253 says,
“President Trump dropped the US commitment to a two-state
solution”.
No he has not. It says he has threatened,
“to move the US embassy to Jerusalem”.
No he has not. It says the new ambassador,
“David Friedman … may raise tensions”.
No he has not, either.
However, I agree with the noble Lord, , and refer to
paragraph 266 where it says:
“A negotiated two-state outcome remains the only way to
achieve an enduring peace that meets Israeli security needs
and Palestinian aspirations for statehood and sovereignty,
ends the occupation that began in 1967, and resolves all
permanent status issues. We condemn the continuing Israeli
policy of the expansion of settlements as illegal and an
impediment to peace”.
This is totally one-sided. There is condemnation of Israel
but where is the condemnation of the Palestinians’
incitement, the Hamas control of Gaza, the rocket attacks
and the terror tunnels? That is not in the report at all.
Paragraph 270 talks about the balance of power in the
delivery of peace lying again with Israel. It says,
“the UK should be ready to support UNSC resolutions
condemning those actions”.
Again, it is one-sided. The best way to show a determined
attachment to a two-state solution is to encourage the two
sides to sit together and, while at it, encourage the
Palestinians not to be the two sides on their own.
Tomorrow, as the noble Lord, , mentioned, there
is a debate on the 100th anniversary of the Balfour
Declaration. There are so many speakers so perhaps today I
can deal with one particular issue—again, there is a blind
spot. The noble Lord, , just reminded the
House about the second part of the Balfour Declaration and
he was right to do so. The last part of the Balfour
Declaration says,
“it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done
which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of
existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”.
However, it does not end there. The sentence continues,
“or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any
other country”.
I remind your Lordships that in 1948 there were 726,000
Palestinians who became refugees but there were 856,000
Jews living in Arab lands. In reality, two refugee
populations were created at that time—Palestinians and Jews
displaced from Arab countries—yet since 1947 the UN’s
predominant focus has been on the Palestinians. Over the
years there have been more than 170 resolutions on
Palestinian refugees, 13 UN agencies and organisations have
been mandated or created to provide protection and relief
for the Palestinian refugees, and tens of billions of
dollars have been disbursed by the international community
to provide for the Palestinians. But during those same
years there have been no UN resolutions, no support from UN
agencies and no financial assistance to ameliorate the
plight of Jewish or other refugees from Arab lands. I
believe that it continues to be a serious injustice by the
international community to recognise the rights of one
victim population, the Palestinians, without recognising
equal rights for the other victims of the same
conflict—that is, the Jews, Christians and other refugees
from Arab countries.
Noble Lords should not take my word for it; I have proof,
which I shall share with the House. It was 22 November 1967
when Resolution 242 adopted the words laying down the
principles for a peaceful settlement. It stipulated a,
“just settlement of the refugee problem”.
There was no distinction between Jew and Arab. On 16
November, a few days before, the UK submitted a draft which
was not exclusive in calling for a just settlement. Four
days later, the Soviet Union submitted a further draft
restricting the “just settlement” to only Palestinian
refugees, but on 22 November the Security Council gathered
and the UK version was voted on and adopted unanimously.
The Soviets did not want a vote on their draft, although
Ambassador Kuznetsov later said that the Soviet Government
would have preferred the adoption of the Soviet draft. Thus
the attempt by the Soviets to restrict the just settlement
of the refugee problem to only the Palestinian refugees was
not successful. The international community’s adoption of
the UK’s inclusive version signalled a desire for
Resolution 242 to seek a just solution for all, including
Jewish refugees.
In conclusion, last night we had the government report.
Today, a research document called Supporting a Two-State
Solution: Effective UK Policy to Boost Israel-Palestinian
Relations was published by BICOM, the Britain Israel
Communications and Research Centre. I picked up what I
think the House will agree are the five key, relevant
points. The first is the role of the UK, in concert with
others in the international community, in helping to create
the conditions for the peace process to succeed and to
bring about a two-state solution. The second is the need to
concentrate on areas where the UK is well placed to make a
practical difference, increasing funding to train
Palestinian security forces and promoting civil society
initiatives. Thirdly, the UK could use its good standing in
the world—we are on the United Nations Security Council and
have a good relationship with the Arab states—to promote
new opportunities for diplomatic engagement. Fourthly, UK
finance for the Palestinian Authority should be based on
appropriate measures to ensure that financial aid reaches
appropriate places and recipients and that funds are not
misused. Finally, with budgets under pressure, the UK
should ensure support for international initiatives that
have a positive impact on improving conditions for the
future.
There is hope and one should never give up, but I urge the
committee to eradicate blind spots and hope that the UK
will do all it can to bring the Palestinians and Israelis
around the table to hammer out a solution, which I believe
is within reach.
4.58 pm
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(CB)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Howell, for
introducing this debate, highlighting many issues of
profound importance in a violent and fragile region in
which countless innocent civilians are suffering.
I wish to focus on Syria. During recent visits, everyone
whom we met, including representatives of different faith
communities and professions, highlighted four concerns. The
first is the UK Government’s commitment to regime change
and the removal of President Assad. It is impossible to
condone violations of human rights, including the use of
torture, by President Assad and other Middle Eastern
Governments, but everyone to whom we spoke now sees
President Assad as the only effective bulwark against ISIS
and its related militias. These include people active in
opposition who took part in the demonstrations that erupted
into the current war. There is a widespread fear that any
regime change and the removal of Assad would lead to a far
greater evil—another Libya or Iraq.
In Lattakia, approximately 1 million people have been
forced to flee their homes, many having suffered atrocities
perpetrated by ISIS and related groups. I met many of them,
among them a Muslim woman who had been forced to flee from
her home by ISIS. Weeping, she embraced me and told me how
her husband and brother and their sons had been beheaded in
front of her. She said, “In war, people on both sides are
killed by shelling. But on one side, you die from shells;
on the other, you die from shells and beheadings, and we
don’t want the beheadings. The Government protects us from
these”. Another person put the position very vividly, and
his feelings were typical of many whom we met. He said, “I
never voted for Assad. I always called for reforms and
change. But now I would die for him”. Among those most
fearful of regime change are religious minorities and
women. Even those most critical of President Assad
acknowledge his commitment to the protection of religious
minorities and to the promotion of women’s rights. These
approaches are to be respected.
The second concern is the UK Government’s role in the war.
To many, it seems that the UK is now keener to strike at
Syrian government forces than to destroy ISIS—which should
surely be the priority. Robert Fisk, in the Independent,
used virtually identical words regarding US policy. Britain
is reportedly supporting and training so-called “moderate
rebels”. Many are active members of radical groups, some of
whose fighters are among the most ruthless in the Middle
East. The UK has also effectively given air support to ISIS
by apparently striking pro-Assad forces on more than one
occasion.
I say “apparently” because it is difficult to be certain;
the US, the UK and other allied forces operate under the
appellation “coalition”. However, in December 2016 the
coalition admitted killing 82 Syrian soldiers in Deir
ez-Zor, where they were defending that city against ISIS,
and the British Government have not denied participating in
that appalling action. More attacks were committed recently
against forces allied to the Syrian Army in the Tanaf area
on the Syrian/Iraqi border, allegedly to protect British
and other forces working with anti-Assad militants—a
mission for which British forces had absolutely no mandate
from Parliament or the UN. Many civilians were killed in
these attacks.
I ask the Minister for his response to deep and widespread
concerns that the UK has no legal grounds whatever to
intervene militarily in Syria. There is no UN mandate to do
so, there has been no request from the legitimate
Government of Syria to intervene, and the UK has not been
attacked by Syria. In addition, I will ask two related
questions: what has UK taxpayers’ money done for peace for
Syria, and will the Government provide public
accountability for the use of taxpayers’ money in
supporting rebel groups in Syria?
The third concern is the US/UK response to the alleged use
of chemical weapons by Assad in April. To recapitulate, on
4 April a severe aerial attack occurred in Idlib, the
stronghold of al-Qaeda in Syria. Reports emerged of the
possible use of chemical weapons by Assad’s forces. Within
two days, without proper investigation, the Americans
retaliated with 59 Tomahawk missiles, hitting an airbase
used in the fight against ISIS near the
government-controlled city of Homs. The UK Government
praised President Trump’s response, despite the fact that
questions remain about the details of the initial attack.
The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons
produced a report concluding that sarin was used but that
no conclusions could be reached concerning the dispersal
mechanism—in other words, whether it was delivered by a
bomb. The OPCW report itself has many flaws. The team of
inspectors were unable to visit the site, as it is
controlled by jihadists. The team took at face value
evidence provided to it by people and organisations linked
to the al-Qaeda affiliate, al-Nusra. The report also pays
scant attention to disconfirming evidence, such as the fact
that video evidence shows responders exposing themselves to
materials which, if they had traces of sarin, would have
killed them.
Moreover, a team from Médecins Sans Frontières, treating
victims from Khan Sheikhoun at a clinic 60 miles to the
north, reported that,
“eight patients showed symptoms … consistent with exposure
to a neurotoxic agent such as sarin gas or similar
compounds”.
MSF also visited other hospitals that had received victims
and found that patients there,
“smelled of bleach, suggesting that they had been exposed
to chlorine”.
In other words, the evidence suggested that more than one
chemical was responsible for the symptoms observed, which
would not have been the case had the Syrian air force
dropped a sarin bomb, which has no percussive or ignition
power to trigger secondary explosions. The range of
symptoms is consistent with the release of a mixture of
chemicals, including chlorine and organic phosphates, used
in many fertilisers, which can cause neurotoxic effects
similar to those of sarin.
Yet, despite the lack of firm evidence, the President of
the United States has warned the Syrian Government against
a repeat of the April incident, threatening a devastating
strike. Our Defence Secretary applauded President Trump’s
threat and our Foreign Secretary continues the allegations
that Assad bombed using sarin. These threats and
allegations by the United Kingdom are deeply disturbing.
Surely the priority should be defeating ISIS and related
terrorists and protecting civilians rather than striking at
those forces which are attacking ISIS and kindred jihadi
groups. Moreover, President Trump’s threat is causing
widespread, profound terror among civilians throughout
Syria and can provide the jihadis with every incentive to
stage a fake attack, with civilian victims, in order to
precipitate the US strike that President Trump so unwisely
promised.
Fourthly, I turn to humanitarian needs and the effect of
sanctions, which are crippling the state and preventing it
from providing essential supplies to its people. Syria is
struggling to get machinery, raw materials, fuel and basic
necessities such as flour and medicines. This is causing
great suffering to innocent civilians. When we met the
Syrian doctors’ society in Aleppo, it emphasised the
disastrous effect of sanctions on the procurement of
essential medicines and equipment such as prostheses,
exacerbating the suffering of innocent civilians.
The effect of sanctions on food supplies is also having a
detrimental effect on attempts to encourage people who have
been displaced by ISIS to return to their homes once they
have been liberated. The effect of food shortages was
graphically expressed by a community leader from the
predominantly Christian town of Maaloula. This town had
been captured by ISIS, which perpetrated atrocities,
including martyrdom of Christians who refused to convert to
Islam. It was subsequently liberated and he is trying to
encourage citizens to return to their homes. This is
difficult because of the lack of food. The situation
regarding food shortages is exacerbated by the fact that
much of the wheat-growing land in Syria is under ISIS
control. This community leader told us, “If you don’t die
from the bombing and the bullets, you die from the
beheadings. If you don’t die from the beheadings, you die
from starvation thanks to sanctions”.
Given the continuing suffering of the people of Syria,
exacerbated by UK foreign policy, I was encouraged to read
the committee’s conclusion:
“British confusion and disarray in Syria is a reflection of
the contradictions in international policy on President
Bashar al-Assad, which must be rethought. The objective of
displacing Assad as a prerequisite of any settlement, with
the current means and policy, has proved unachievable.
Despite the chemical attack and the recent escalation of
military conflict Assad, with Russian support, remains in
power … There are no good options available in Syria but
the recent chemical attack, the urgency of the humanitarian
crisis, with the potential to destabilise the EU and
countries of the Middle East with refugees, requires the
UK, and international community, to redouble its efforts to
achieve a negotiated solution”.
I emphasise the fact that deep concern over the UK’s policy
regarding Syria is not new. Before Christmas last year,
three former UK ambassadors to Syria signed a letter to the
Times in which they expressed their criticism of the UK
position regarding regime change. Will the UK Government
consider establishing an embassy in Syria? It seems utterly
unjustifiable to deny this when the UK has embassies in
North Korea, with its deplorable human rights record and
current concerns on nuclear weapons, and in Khartoum,
despite the fact that the President of Sudan has been
indicted by the International Criminal Court and is
continuing genocidal policies against his own civilians in
Darfur, South Kordofan and Blue Nile.
Finally, I and many others were deeply disappointed by the
Minister’s response when winding up the debate on the
gracious Speech. It was a repetition of the Government’s
mantra commitment to regime change and the displacement of
President Assad. However, the situation in Syria has
changed fundamentally and the committee’s report has
recognised these changes, making well-argued
recommendations for changes in UK policy. I therefore
conclude by urging the Government to respond positively to
the well-reasoned and significant recommendations promoted
in this important report.
5.10 pm
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(Lab)
My Lords, I declare an interest because of past ministerial
responsibilities and having spent a great deal of my life
in the non-governmental sphere which is in many ways highly
relevant to the situations we are discussing.
As a non-member of the committee, I place on record my
absolutely unlimited delight at reading a report of this
character. The report must be one of the wisest, most
thoughtful and most provocative intellectually that there
has been for a very long time. I hope the Government are
therefore taking it very seriously. There are encouraging
indications that this may be the case, and I hope that is
so. I also am confident that my noble friends with
responsibility in this sphere will take it very seriously
indeed. So thanks to all concerned, both Members of the
House and the staff of the committee.
The Government have rightly taken great pride in the part
they played in bringing to a successful conclusion the Arms
Trade Treaty. That was a very constructive role by the
Government. Of course, we will be judged not just by what
we did to get the treaty but by our consistency and
integrity in applying it to our own affairs. There can be a
big gap in that respect, and I am one of those who is
deeply worried about the prevarication and equivocation on
the issue of Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Instead of looking for
rationales and excuses as to why things are as they are, we
should say categorically that, in terms of the treaty of
which we were essentially pioneers, along with others, it
is crucial that we take decisive action and leave the Saudi
Arabians in no doubt whatsoever of where we stand.
At the turn of the century, I spent several years working
as the rapporteur to the Council of Europe on the bitter
and horrible conflict in Chechnya—I visited Chechnya nine
times. There are certain things seared on my memory from
that time. One is that the brutal, indiscriminate,
insensitive action by the Russians was building up
extremism. President Putin would say at that time, “But
has to understand that
we have an acute security problem on our southern flank”.
That was certainly true—I did not differ at all from that
analysis—but if that was the case, why were we driving
people into the arms of the extremists who were making
things worse?
What I like about this report is that there is a theme
going through it: that these are the kinds of issues about
which we should be thinking very deeply. How do we avoid
making things worse? How do we stand up for principle?
Bearing in mind that we cannot have it both ways, it is
simply nonsense to pretend that there are not implications
for security in this country arising from the way we may be
conducting foreign policy. I wonder just how much we have
thought about how many young potential recruits there are
for extremist positions in this country by virtue of our
failure to stand up as we should have done on Saudi Arabia.
On Iran, the report is magnificently written and the
position of the committee members is courageous and right,
but there are certain immediate points that we cannot brush
under the carpet. I declare an interest as a member of the
All-Party Parliamentary Group on Human Rights. In light of
paragraphs 204 and 205 of the report, does the
International Relations Committee agree that it is not
appropriate for Iran arbitrarily to arrest and detain
British citizens, including British-Iranian dual nationals,
and sentence them under judicial processes that fall far
short of international standards and that Iran should
release all such citizens immediately, including Kamal
Foroughi and Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe? Furthermore, given
the grave concerns about the deteriorating health of those
individuals since their arrest and detention in May 2011
and April 2016 respectively, with the 77 year-old Mr
Foroughi facing significant health risks of prostate cancer
and blindness due to untreated cataracts and Ms
Zaghari-Ratcliffe suffering serious mental health problems
and the apparent denial of appropriate medical care by
authorities in Evin prison, is it not essential that more
must be done immediately to ensure their release and that
further irreparable harm to their health does not occur?
Generally on Iran, on the strategic issues I am glad that
the committee is as firm as it is. I am also glad that it
made it pretty clear that the present President of the
United States is not helping in finding a way forward.
On Palestine/Israel, I cannot help remembering that, as a
young Member of Parliament, I was in Tel Aviv when the 1967
war started. I had arrived there for an international
conference and the war started the next morning. Deeply
implanted in my memory was how during a heavy period of
bombardment and fighting, when I was taking shelter with
some Israeli people, they were listening to radio messages
beamed into Israel by people who were of a rather militant
frame of mind in supporting Israel. I remember some of them
turning to me in that situation and saying, “It’s all very
well for these people, but we have to work out a future in
this region and we have to think of our long-term
relationships with the Arab world around us”. I have never
forgotten that.
In the same way, I have also always admired those members
of the Israeli armed services who have stood up to be
counted and said that they are not prepared to be part of
something which they believe is not acceptable. I also have
great admiration for young Israeli lawyers who stand up and
defend young people in military courts. From that point of
view, we must ask why we have not been more firm in our
position. Of course, the two-state solution is the right
one. I cannot think of anything guaranteed to build more
insecurity into the future of Israel than to abandon the
two-state solution. We want a solution in which
Palestinians have confidence, self-respect and citizenship
that means something in their own society.
I am sorry to keep quoting experience, but when you get to
my age you begin to think about your experiences in life.
On the negotiators, I had a while as chairman of the
Committee of Middle East Questions for the
Inter-Parliamentary Union. I began to feel at times that
the negotiators in both camps had become institutionalised,
that in a sort of way they might be playing a game that
they both understood. If you caught them in social moments,
they would be laughing, talking and chatting together. They
would not be sharing a drink for obvious reasons. Well,
they would share a drink but not alcoholic ones,
necessarily. I thought there was a huge challenge there to
build more opportunities for understanding to grow up
around the negotiators and political leaders.
The contributions of the noble Lord, , today have been very
important, as they always are. His work is absolutely
terrific. However, we should seek ways in which young
people and professional people can meet from both
communities, looking, talking and sharing experiences in
areas where they have mutual concerns. That could do a
great deal to help in building up a situation in which
progress becomes possible.
Obviously I would like to say far more, but my final point
is simply that we must learn—I am so glad to hear this
repeated, and stimulated by the excellent report we are
discussing—now at last that we cannot manage the Middle
East situation any more than any other similar situation in
the world. The solutions must be found by the people
themselves. Our job is to assist in generating experiences,
atmosphere and relationships that can help with solutions
being found. In so far as we start establishing deadlines,
management targets and so on, it is disastrous. We should
have learned that in recent years. Thank you to all those
involved in the report, which is very refreshing and
excellent. We are fortunate to have it.
5.23 pm
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(CB)
My Lords, I declare that I am associated with a major
Middle Eastern entity, although naturally the views I
express are mine alone.
I offer congratulations to the noble Lord, Lord Howell, and
his team on their many thought-provoking assessments. As
the title of the main report indicates, the region under
consideration is primarily the Middle East, although
extending to north Africa and the Levant. Defining a region
can be elusive. I would always classify the Levant as being
in the Middle East and wonder why there is not more
consideration of Israel’s contribution within the Middle
East. I remember well a conversation with Crown Prince
Hassan in Amman when we discussed the role of Israel in the
Arab world, as applicable then as now. Regional tensions
might be reduced if Israel focused more on the Arab world
rather than Europe or the United States and, conversely, if
the Arab world was more accepting of Israel, although I
accept that positive moves are afoot. The common thread of
extremism and terrorism, cyber or otherwise, has to be
tackled.
North Africa, included in the report under the banner of
MENA, has a different dynamic from that of the Middle East.
MENA, as it impacts north Africa—expedient geography to the
Foreign Office, Brussels and the OECD, with their
development initiatives on governance and
competitiveness—is of course very much of the world of
Islam, but with differing politics and trade issues. It is
a pity, but in the circumstances understandable, that the
committee was unable to visit Riyadh and Tehran—two Middle
East linchpins. It is preferable always to test the broader
world view from within rather than solely as perceived from
London. Both offer a world of opportunity for the United
Kingdom. All commentators inform me that the UK is lagging
behind in connecting with Iran. The signing of a $5 billion
contract with Total is testament to that. I see the
inability of the Iranian embassy to open a bank account in
London as a detriment. I ask the Minister: are there any
developments in that regard and what is holding back the
ability to do so?
Iran’s significant historical and current influence, the
unresolved Israel-Palestinian situation and the recent Gulf
rifts with Qatar exacerbate old and new regional tensions.
Multiple crises define the MENA region. One also should not
be blind to Afghanistan; the effects of the refugee exodus
reaching directly into Europe, Italy in particular; and the
bilateral tussle between Morocco and Algeria over Sahara.
Matters are compounded on the one hand by an apparent
withdrawal by the United States, while still defending its
national interest combating ISIS and al-Qaeda, and on the
other hand by Russia and its interests becoming
increasingly centre-stage, with support for Syria and
nuclear activities in Iran. Co-operation generally between
these state actors needs to be established. Events have the
potential to get out of hand.
The Middle East requires vital stabilisation. Trust and
confidence-building measures are urgently required. Yet
throughout the Arab world, with all its turmoil, Arabs,
barring extremists, are intrinsically a peaceful people; to
raise one’s voice is considered very much a non-Arab trait.
Undeniable contributors to a more settled region would be a
greater role for women in society and state affairs; a
strengthened civil society; and, I suggest with respect to
regional elders, a move to a younger leadership pattern,
currently in the offing in Saudi Arabia, together with the
acceptance of social media as a practical reality. Of
course I recognise that these issues are anathema to many
but they are none the less unavoidable for tomorrow’s
leaders. There is much to reflect upon.
The report’s emphasis is more on political and security
issues than trade. Given the importance of trade to a
post-Brexit United Kingdom, perhaps I might offer one or
two pointers. The unintended consequences of low oil prices
and political instability are giving great cause for
concern to UK trade with the Middle East. Trade figures
show that the low oil prices are affecting spending plans,
with countries now urgently seeking new models for
financing future plans. The UK leads in this area and it is
where we can help. On the positive side, wealthier GCC
countries have adequate financial buffers to insulate them
from the current volatility in the price of oil and other
global factors, where non-oil sector growth is supported by
high government expenditures on infrastructure, including
public transportation, housing, healthcare and aviation. A
real effort is taking place to diversify economies away
from oil and gas. A good example of this is the Abu Dhabi
Economic Vision 2030 and Kuwait’s recently announced
five-year plan, while in Egypt, where a more challenging
market exists, the economic and political outlook should
improve with enhanced security conditions, reduced fuel
subsidies, tax-system reform and the Suez Canal expansion
project.
However, trade finance for international trade remains a
major challenge for economic recovery and development. For
my part, I am engaged with two emerging initiatives. A new
committee for Middle East trade—COMET—will work in an
advisory role highlighting opportunities and challenges for
members and government. COMET will provide a new approach
in the UK by working with government and the private sector
stimulating interest for British exporters where no UK
advisory body exists. It is felt that the immediate future
for UK trade should focus on British partnerships in
medium-sized ventures, particularly those that support
employment coupled to training, while keeping a watching
brief on the high-value projects, most of which are long
term. Key areas for growth range from legal and
Sharia-compliant financial services to energy
infrastructure, defence and security, educational and
vocational training and healthcare. The key question is how
the UK can best co-ordinate and mobilise its resources
during these challenging times to ensure that British
companies maintain their interest and do not turn away from
these markets.
In addition, a meeting, lunch and gala dinner on 10 October
under the banner of the global CEO club will take place in
London. The royal families of various countries, together
with industry leaders from throughout the region, are to
attend. I have been asked to encourage the Prime Minister
to address a strong guest list, and I wonder whether the
Minister would consider this through his good offices. The
purpose of the event is to introduce leaders in the region
to partner with United Kingdom interests. There is much to
play for.
5.32 pm
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(LD)
My Lords, I, too, congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Howell,
and the committee on this excellent report. I welcome the
Minister to his new post and very much hope that he will
continue the occasional briefings that his predecessors had
for Members of the House of Lords; I suggest that some of
the issues in the Middle East might be a very strong
candidate for such a briefing.
I am not a Middle East expert, and I learned a lot from
this report, including about the incoherence of British
responses to the changes which are under way. It sets out
very clearly the underlying instability of the region, the
rapid rise in its population, with unemployed but educated
young people, and the rapid transition from traditional
society to cities and mass communication in one or, at the
most, two generations. It has weak states, mostly run by
old men or military men, but now some Gulf states are run
by young men in a hurry. The Arab spring was a failed
attempt at transition away from autocratic regimes, but the
conditions that led to those popular eruptions across the
region are still there and unresolved and are likely to
create further eruptions.
Climate change threatens to make the situation worse. The
likelihood of outward migration on a large scale is there
for multiple reasons: refugees, economic migrants and the
politically discontented. Migration from the Middle East
and North Africa, not from eastern Europe, is the long-term
immigration challenge that the UK and other European states
face, unlike what Migration Watch UK and the leave campaign
have been trying to sell to the British public over recent
years.
The report also sets out very well the loss of western
influence and the limits of British influence. After all,
Britain’s moment in the Middle East ended 60 years ago with
the disastrous intervention in Suez. The report does not go
very far into the influence of Middle East states and
elites in Britain, but the complexities of the relationship
work both ways. Qatari, Kuwaiti and other Gulf investment
in London property and British banks and companies is
highly visible. The personal links between Gulf royal
families and others and British high society is evident to
anyone who goes to Royal Ascot or walks through Belgravia
and goes into its restaurants. The question of who is
influencing whom is not easy to determine.
At the other end of the social scale, there is a
significant flow of influence and finance to Muslim
communities within the UK. Saudi and Salafi influence
within Pakistan flows indirectly back into British cities,
mosques and madrassahs. The diversity of our British Muslim
community means that conflicts across the Muslim world risk
spilling over into our own country with attacks on Ahmadis
or Shias in our cities. Much of the Turkish community in
London is Kurdish, and some is Alevi. In Britain, Arabs and
Turks, Iranians and Kurds breathe the freer air and plot
peaceful or revolutionary change at home to the concern of
their autocratic Governments at home. So we cannot
disengage, but we have to recognise, as the report makes
clear, that we have limited influence on our own and must
work with others—above all, as the report suggests, with
other major European states, mainly France and Germany,
and, in so far as we can with the volatility of the Trump
Administration’s policies, the United States.
The latest crisis is that between Qatar and rest of the
GCC. Some of us are quite worried that this could become a
long-term breach. For example, there have been suggestions
from ambassadors of the UAE, which were reported in our
newspapers, that third countries may after a while have to
choose whether they wish to trade with Qatar or with the
UAE and Saudi Arabia. It is not at all in our interests to
have to make choices like that. Given Saudi claims that
Qatar is the main sponsor of terrorism across the Middle
East, the case for publication, at least in part, of the UK
government report on the Muslim Brotherhood and on Saudi
support for radical groups in the UK and elsewhere is now
even stronger than before. Will the Minister say what the
Government’s intentions are on this? If we are to
understand and respond to the comments and lobbying that
some of us are getting about the positions we take on this
dispute, it would help a great deal to have some sense of
the Government’s interpretation of the Saudi record. There
were promises to Liberal Democrats before and after the
2015 election that these reports would be provided. At the
very least, we need a confidential briefing for
parliamentarians. I note that this report supports a
cautious dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood, which is a
rather different position to the hard lines adopted over
the past week or two by Dubai and Riyadh, and is cautiously
critical of Saudi support for Wahhabi approaches to Islam
in other Muslim states. I recently read a very worrying
article in the Atlantic magazine on King Salman’s recent
visit to Indonesia and the influence which the Saudis have
had in Indonesia in changing the tolerant attitude which
Islam has had to other faiths and to different varieties of
Islam into a much less tolerant version.
There is a real danger that the UK will end up too closely
aligned with the Sunni Gulf states in their political and
sectarian conflict with Iran. I note that a number of noble
Lords say that it is a fundamentally political not
sectarian conflict, but when it reaches the ground, some
Sunni kill Shia, so it unavoidably becomes deeply
sectarian. The report again recommends a cautious but
positive approach to Iran, encouraging the moderate and
open elements in that country’s complex political system
against the hard-liners. Iran is a major potential trade
partner and a necessary element in any more stable Middle
East. British Conservatives should not fall in behind US
republicans in their obsession with Iran as a global
threat, which is itself fuelled by Benjamin Netanyahu’s
Government in Israel.
The next crisis in the region will be over the future of
Iraq and Syria after the defeat of Daesh, with Turks, Kurds
of different factions and from different regions, Iranians,
Saudis, Qataris, Russians and Americans all with different
preferences to push. Britain, again, will have only limited
influence but will be affected by what happens, and our
influence will best be exercised in co-operation with our
European allies.
The report is rightly critical of the confusions of British
policy towards the region and of Britain’s failure to
adjust. ’s speech last December
on returning “east of Suez” was a blast of imperial
nostalgia that had no strategic rationale behind it. Why
are we expanding our military footprint in the Gulf? Is it
to join the GCC states in containing—or even fighting—Iran,
to impress the Americans with our claim still to be a
global power, to compete with the French in selling arms to
the Gulf states, or what? Was it wise to accept the
Bahraini Government’s offer to pay for an expansion of our
naval base there, which must look to the majority Shia
population of Bahrain as a British commitment to defending
the current regime against future change? The Government
promised us a Gulf strategy paper before the end of last
year. It has not appeared, presumably because there is no
coherent Gulf strategy. Can the Minister tell us what plans
the Government have to publish such a strategy?
The report notes that Brexit makes UK foreign policy more
dependent on relations with other regions outside Europe
and that , as International Trade
Secretary, sees enormous potential for further growth in
economic interdependence with the Middle East, above all
with the Gulf states. But the report also notes time and
again that we have to work with others and that it will be
wise to co-ordinate our approaches as closely as possible
with France and Germany—as the UK government did
successfully in the nuclear negotiations with Iran.
I worry about the incoherence of government policy towards
the Middle East almost as much as I worry about its
incoherence towards the European region. It is still
operating on the assumption that we should follow the
United States as closely as we can and still sees ourselves
as wiser and more global than other European states. I wish
that government policy were closer to that which this
report recommends.
5.42 pm
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(CB)
My Lords, all of us who have been fortunate enough to serve
alongside the noble Lord, , both
here and in the House of Commons, have come to recognise
his telling wisdom and prescience. He and his committee are
to be warmly congratulated on this excellent report.
In several places, the report reminds us that the UK cannot
act alone in addressing issues in the Middle East, while
also highlighting the remarks of Dr Richard Haass that, in
this world of bad options,
“not acting can be every bit as consequential as acting”.
As a BBC correspondent put it to the committee, in the
Middle East,
“things come back and bite you if you walk away”—
a point referred to by the noble Lord, , in his
remarks a few moments ago about the effect in our own
cities of events taking place in remote parts of the world.
I first visited Syria in 1980, on the day the Iran-Iraq war
broke out, when my noble friend was
British ambassador in Damascus—where, like my noble friend
Lady Cox, I regret the absence of a British diplomatic
presence today. Over the ensuing decades, the consequences
of failing to act, as Dr Haass put it, have been lethal for
millions of people. One such consequence has been the
migration and refugee crisis in which millions have been
caught up. An estimated 13,000 have perished in the
Mediterranean, the equivalent of both Houses of our
Parliament being wiped out 10 times over.
Another consequence has been the spread of a murderous
ideology that has no respect for the sanctity of human
life, a point referred to by the right reverend Prelate the
earlier today.
Perhaps the Select Committee could use a future report to
examine our response to outright genocide and the slaughter
of the region’s minorities. A region without diversity and
without minorities will of course also be a far worse place
for the majority too. Only last week, there was a truly
shocking report in the Independent newspaper and elsewhere
about how the region’s only Yazidi MP, Vian Dakhil from
Iraq, wept as she described how a baby was butchered and
fed to its own unwitting mother by ISIS, which had taken
the mother as a sex slave. That Member of Parliament then
went on to describe the rape and death of a 10 year-old
girl in front of her father and five sisters. Such
nauseating obscenity and barbarism breaks hearts but should
also stir consciences. Imagine for a moment that this was
your daughter, your sister or your wife.
Nearly 10,000 Yazidis are believed to have been killed or
captured by ISIS, which reserves particular contempt for
this minority group. Many women have been kept as sex
slaves. Others have been discovered in mass graves. But the
House will also recall the 21 Coptic Christians taken to a
Libyan beach and executed by ISIS after they refused to
renounce their faith. ISIS says of the Copts that they are
its favourite prey. Then think of the countless atrocities
in Raqqa and Mosul. Antoine Audo, the Chaldean Bishop of
Aleppo, says that two-thirds of Syrian Christians have
either been killed or driven away from his country.
Zainab Bangura, the United Nations special representative
on sexual violence in conflict, has authenticated reports
of Christian and Yazidi females—girls aged one to
seven—being sold, with the youngest carrying the highest
price tag. One 80 year-old Christian woman who stayed in
Nineveh was reportedly burned alive. In another Christian
family, the mother and 12 year-old daughter were raped by
ISIS militants, leading the father, who was forced to
watch, to commit suicide. One refugee described how she
witnessed ISIS crucify her husband on the door of their
home.
Three years ago, on 23 July 2014, I warned in an opinion
piece in the Times that,
“the world must wake up urgently to the plight of the
ancient churches throughout the region who are faced with
the threat of mass murder and mass displacement”.
But the world chose not to wake up, and for those caught up
in these barbaric events, the stakes are utterly
existential. If the Minister does not believe that these
acts are part of a genocide, perhaps he would tell us
precisely what despicable acts would have to occur which
would constitute genocide? The 1948 Convention on the
Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, of
which we are one of 147 signatories, lays on us a duty to
protect and to punish. The convention of course was the
work of the lawyer Raphael Lemkin, who lost 49 of his
relatives in the Holocaust, and says that “international
co-operation” is needed,
“to liberate mankind from such an odious scourge”.
In Syria and in Iraq, we have signally failed to do this.
It is 14 months now since the House of Commons, on 20 April
2016, voted unanimously to approve a Motion expressing the
opinion that ISIS was inflicting genocidal atrocities on
religious minorities. Our subsequent failure to act makes
us derelict in our obligations under the 1948 convention.
The Government have simply said they will collect evidence.
Perhaps the Minister could update the House on how well
this evidence collection is going. Are we, for instance, in
touch with Ms Dakhil, the Yazidi MP I referred to earlier,
to take a detailed statement from her about the appalling
crime that she described?
I have been receiving disturbing reports from charities on
the ground that very little evidence collection is under
way and that crime scenes have been hopelessly contaminated
while we have dithered. Is that true? How much evidence
have we collected? Is it also true that those collecting
the evidence have decided to disregard the atrocities
committed against the Christian communities?
As we have seen in Manchester, at London Bridge and here at
Westminster, these issues can indeed “come back” to “bite”
us, as that BBC correspondent remarked. The Government need
to see the clear link between the security and survival of
the people of the region and our own citizens here in the
UK. What security can there be when International Criminal
Court-category crimes are left unpunished?
The committee’s report notes on page 4 that Russia is an
essential partner if a global solution to problems in the
region is to be achieved. What is stopping us from at least
tabling a United Nations resolution at the Security Council
to begin the prosecution of the ISIS leadership, even if it
is just in the territory of Iraq alone?
The report also talks about the importance of building
non-governmental links. Yes, but with a caution. Will the
Minister confirm that he has received the letter I sent to
the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees last
Sunday about how UNHCR hands over control of its camps to
local officials who have ideological agendas, impose
sharia, intimidate others and on whose watch persecution,
rape, robbery and violence occur, which is why many from
those minorities avoid the camps? In other words, UNHCR is
failing to provide safety and security to the very people
who require it. I am told that locally contracted
translators intimidate, browbeat, insult or threaten
Yazidis and Christians, deliberately falsify information,
lose files or tell such applicants to try elsewhere.
In this maelstrom, where is the future? The noble Lord,
Lord Howell, pointed us to the changing face of our NATO
ally, Erdogan’s Turkey. Last week, Turkey sequestrated 50
monasteries, churches and cemeteries. I have stayed at Mor
Gabriel on the Tur Abdin plateau. It was founded in 397. It
is the oldest surviving Syriac Orthodox monastery in the
world. I have written to the Minister about these
sequestrations. Perhaps he could tell us where he thinks
these seizures leave Turkey’s minority communities.
Meanwhile, across the border, joint Kurdish and Assyrian
forces have recaptured a number of villages in the Khabur
river valley area. They will need enormous help to find and
dispose of mines and make homes and villages safe again.
Will we be enhancing their military capability—their
ability to protect themselves? Will we be guaranteeing, as
John Major did in his day, a no-fly zone? What will we do
to rid of munitions and armaments a region where assault
weapons are more numerous than cooking pots?
In Washington recently, I met Bassam Ishak, the president
of the Syriac National Council of Syria. He said:
“Without achieving the full rights of all the minorities of
Syria, no new Syria will emerge and no political actor will
win”.
His vision for the region is one where rights are based on
citizenship; where all people, regardless of ethnicity,
religion or gender are treated equally; and where women
have a prominent role in the structures. Will we provide
serious support for the Kurdish-Assyrian democratic
self-administration governmental structure, with its
commitment to civil society and the rule of law? Will we be
backing the creation of the multidenominational Marshall
plan called the Nineveh reconstruction project, which has
already begun to rebuild and resettle thousands of people
back in their homes and farms?
Matters are now at a tipping point: if these minorities
fear that they will be unable to recover their homes, towns
and villages, it will severely undermine the wider social
and economic renewal of the region and result in thousands
more refugees. There are incalculable benefits from
religious pluralism, including stabilisation, growth and an
easing of sectarian tensions. Of 12,000 known families, 500
have already returned to Telesqof, 74 homes have been
repaired in Qaraqosh, and work is under way with other
villages in the Kurdish-controlled areas. The project aims
also to include provision of employment and the
reconstruction of schools. Almost 13,000 homes in nine
Christian villages in the Nineveh plains have been damaged,
burned or totally destroyed in this genocide. Private
charities alone cannot remake the broken places. Aid to the
Church in Need, on whose board I sit, has costed the
rebuild for homes and services in nine villages—excluding
Mosul and Alqosh—at £254 million.
Our Government must play their part by ensuring that these
ancient communities have fair and equal access to
international and DfID humanitarian and development
assistance; that persecuted minorities are part of the
political settlement at national, provincial and district
level; that safety and security of these minorities is
provided in both the immediate and long-term; and that
those who have terrorised and murdered them are brought to
justice.
5.54 pm
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(Lab)
My Lords, it was a privilege for me to be a member of the
committee. The report that we compiled has been pretty well
received by most of its contributors. A special thanks, of
course, to the noble Lord, Lord Howell, who did a great job
as chairman, and a very special thanks to the staff of the
committee. It may not be apparent from the text of the
report, but it was compiled in great haste because of the
advent of a completely unexpected—certainly on my part and,
I think, on that of most other people—general election,
which put a heavy burden on our staff, particularly our
policy analyst, who was outstanding in putting it together.
It has to be said that the evidence that we received and
many of our findings about the Middle East today do not
make happy reading. To describe much of the region as
troubled and unstable is a huge understatement. As we put
it:
“The region is violent; disfigured by inter- and intrastate
conflict and by sectarian divisions”.
There is also the involvement of foreign powers in the
region. One witness said to us in terms that there have
been massacres and brutal episodes of sectarian violence
intermittently for 1,400 years in the region but, he added,
in the broad sweep of history, it is noticeable that
tensions have been at their most bloody when external
powers have been involved.
This inevitably raises the question of Britain’s
involvement in the region. Our activities have been
intense, over a very long period and often in dramatic
ways. There is the drawing of international boundaries in
the colonial period, the involvement in the region during
two world wars, the Balfour Declaration, the overthrow of
Mosadeq in Iran, the Suez crisis, wars in Iraq, Libya and
Syria, the oil trade and arms sales—on and on, not all
triumphs.
It is not unreasonable to ask: might it not be better for
Great Britain and everyone else if we disentangled
ourselves and left well alone? The committee’s view was
that this would be neither realistic nor desirable, if for
no other reason—in truth, there are many reasons—than, as
one of the witnesses pointed out,
“what happens in the Middle East does not stay in the
Middle East”.
It seems impossible to discuss any aspect of British
foreign policy these days without mentioning Brexit, and
our committee does not disappoint. Nearly all the witnesses
were questioned on the subject, and I can report—wait for
it—that our conclusions are essentially benign. As we
report:
“The significance of Brexit on the Middle East is, on
balance, less than elsewhere. Policy in the region relies
on bilateral relationships and security commitments”.
Sir Derek Plumbly, former British ambassador to Egypt and
Saudi Arabia, told us that Arab Governments,
“tend instinctively to look beyond the EU to national
governments”,
and we received evidence that a number of states in the
region would welcome the development of bilateral trade and
other relationships with Britain post Brexit.
On overseas aid, where much of our budget is channelled
through the European Union, and while there can be
economies of scale in doing so, in the words of Neil
Crompton, director of the Middle East and north Africa
department at the Foreign Office, Brexit might be “slightly
liberating”, in that UK diplomats spent,
“an awful lot of time negotiating EU positions that we do
not always agree with”.
Surely anything which eases the pressure on diplomats
cannot be all that bad.
However, while our membership of the EU may not be pivotal
to our trade, aid or defence policies in the Middle East,
there is no doubt that our key allies in Europe remain, and
will continue to remain post Brexit, enormously important.
As , who gave evidence to
the committee, said, the reality has always been that
foreign policy at EU level requires France, Germany and the
United Kingdom to agree to it, and that is how it will be
in future.
That is particularly true in the case of Iran. As we write
in paragraph 205:
“It is in the UK’s interests to pursue a better
relationship with Iran, and we recommend that this should
be a key priority for the UK”.
A pivotal part of that relationship is the joint
comprehensive plan of action involving Britain, France,
Germany, the US, China and Russia. The signing of an
agreement on a subject as sensitive as Iran’s nuclear
programme, while undoubtedly a considerable achievement,
was unsurprisingly viewed with a mixture of anxiety and
hostility by the Saudis, the Gulf states and Israel. And
yet—and this is one of those things that often comes out
when you are taking evidence—despite all the national
rhetoric, frequently, and in many important ways,
relationships between the Gulf states and Iran, and even
between Saudi and Iran, in trading terms if nothing else,
are developing all the time, whatever the comments by
national Governments. But of course the Trump
Administration are hostile to the deal and, as again said in his
evidence, there is a feeling among the Iranians that their
country was humiliated by the deal and has received nothing
in return. Our committee said that it was in our country’s
interests to continue to support the deal, irrespective of
any opposition from the US, and that it is in our economic
as well as our strategic interests to open up new sources
of finance and investment in Iran.
While at least we could identify a strategy that, albeit
slowly, might improve the Iranian situation, there was
nothing positive whatever to report about Israel/Palestine.
While virtually every international actor and, indeed, the
principal parties to the dispute themselves pay lip service
to a two-state solution, the prospects of it being achieved
according to our witnesses are at best on hold or at worst
diminishing by the hour. The central problem—and there is
no way of evading this—is the continued growth of illegal
Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian land, which
makes the possibility of a viable Palestinian state ever
less credible. Since 2009 alone, more than 80,000 settlers
have moved into Palestinian land, bringing the grand total
to well over half a million. Our witnesses ranged from
, who said that the
settlement activity made the establishment of a two-state
solution incredibly difficult, to the then Minister,
, who said,
“the growth of settlements is coming perilously close to
making that”—
a two-state solution—“an impossibility”.
Yet I am sorry to say that our Government have been sending
mixed messages, as we report, on this crucial issue. We
supported UNSC Resolution 2334, which said that,
“the establishment by Israel of settlements in the
Palestinian territory … constitutes a flagrant violation
under international law and a major obstacle to the
achievement of the two-State solution”.
Yet on 29 December, we distanced ourselves from then US
Secretary of State John Kerry, when he said that the,
“status quo is leading towards one state and perpetual
occupation”.
In January this year, we again distanced ourselves, this
time from the Paris conference, which included 70 countries
that reaffirmed their commitment to the two-state solution.
It was absolutely clear from our witnesses that the
two-state solution itself is perilously close to moving
from being a difficult though feasible strategy to a
meaningless, unattainable mantra. The Israeli Government’s
public position is to support the two-state solution but,
in practice, their policies are not even benign ones of
inactivity; they are active ones of settlement-building,
which inexorably makes their declared strategy
unachievable. Our committee was clear that the consequences
of the two-state solution becoming impossible would be a
grave development for the region, and that playing our part
in resolving the conflict must be a high priority for
British foreign policy. Irrespective of any contrary view
coming from Washington, we should give our clear support to
the French-led international initiative. If the Israelis
with their settlement activity further imperil the prospect
of a solution, we should be ready to support appropriate
United Nations resolutions. As a demonstration of our
commitment to two states, we should give serious
consideration, as the Commons did in the last Session of
Parliament, to recognising a Palestinian state. There is a
logical gulf somewhere between supporting a two-state
solution and only recognising one state.
It would be easy to be overwhelmed by any inquiry into the
scale of the problems faced by a region as vast and
challenging as the Middle East. We concentrated our
recommendations on those areas where we could make
practical suggestions that we felt were important for
British foreign policy while being realistic about our
country’s capacity to change things for the better. But
doing nothing, as we are frequently reminded, is in itself
a policy option, and by no means always the best one. I
have focused on just a couple of areas, Iran and
Israel/Palestine, where our extensive involvement goes back
decades and where I believe we still have the capacity to
make a difference—and I believe that we should.
6.04 pm
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(CB)
My Lords, the report skilfully struck a note, not of
pessimism, of the sort that drives Stephen Hawking to
advise quitting this planet, nor of optimism, based on
mantras of hope, love and expenditure solving everything,
but somewhere in between. It is entitled, The Middle East:
Time for New Realism, and new realism is the measure by
which we should consider it. There must be praise for the
report’s recognition of the cultural good that the UK has
and will provide, including through the BBC World Service,
which must be maintained, and especially in education. The
oppressed people of the Middle East, especially women,
could be helped by British pressure on human rights issues.
There is a delicate balancing issue to consider, however,
for British universities have taken very substantial
amounts of money from Middle Eastern states, some of which
is directed at promoting the agenda of the donor and buying
influence. Any reduction in the UK’s reliance on Middle
East oil would be welcome. I have just bought an
all-electric car.
The recognition in the report that Christians in the Middle
East are in danger is also welcome, in part because of the
reflection it throws on religion as the cause of conflict.
While the Middle East is in flames, as so graphically
described by my noble friend Lord Alton, it is somewhat
unrealistic to place Israel at its fulcrum, or as an
exceptional flashpoint. The excessive focus on Israel by
the UN and, indeed, by this House, has not been conducive
to trust in peace brokering. Nevertheless, there are signs
that the UK may be coming round to a better understanding.
Our departure from the EU gives us a fresh chance to be
constructive, rather than bludgeoning, and to increase our
leverage. The UK has started actively to oppose the
misinformation, distortion and discriminatory treatment
regarding Israel in the United Nations and other
international bodies. The Government’s statement to the UN
Human Rights Council on 24 March that they will in future
vote against UNHRC resolutions if they are not impartial,
is very welcome, and may make amends for the
incomprehensible support that the UK gave to UNESCO
resolutions in October last and in May, which ignore the
3,000 year-old Jewish connection to Jerusalem and its holy
sites.
The treatment of Israel by UN bodies has done much to
undermine the reputation of such international bodies as
forces for good. The large voting bloc of the Islamic
states with their allies are in a position, by virtue of
numbers, to push through resolutions in UN bodies
containing a litany of false allegations and distortions
against Israel. One cannot help but contrast this with the
non-intervention policy towards, say, Pakistan and Turkey,
where the most dramatic breaches of human rights and the
rule of law go unpunished for strategic reasons.
It was also realistic on the part of the UK to ignore the
Paris Middle East conference, which took place without
Israeli or Palestinian representatives, and which might
harden Palestinian negotiating positions. The EU has
maintained the position that Jerusalem should be divided,
and it is at odds with Israel over labelling goods from the
settlements. While the EU is happy to trade with Israel and
benefit from its technology, its stance has been one-sided
and not cognisant of history. As a country free from the
EU, the UK will have a chance to restore its influence,
especially if the UK takes the opportunity of the Balfour
centenary to recognise how it was responsible for the
current situation, both the good and the ill.
Our failure to take sufficient action against anti-Semitism
and intimidation of Israelis and Jews at universities, and
British failure to prevent boycotts and inflammatory
propaganda and hatred at demonstrations in our streets and
campuses, does not help. It is well publicised in Israel
and indeed worldwide that our universities have seen
violence against Israelis giving talks there, and that
hostility on campus towards Israel-supporting students goes
unpunished. Neither the Charity Commission nor HEFCE has
upheld the Equality Act provisions when it comes to
boycotts against Israel by students and university
authorities. So why, asks Israel, should that state take
advice from the UK in relation to matters of peace in the
region, when peace on campus is impossible to maintain? On
the other hand, this is countered by the heartening
co-operation between the UK, Israel and Palestine on
scientific, education and health initiatives. That is the
way forward and I earnestly hope that the Minister will
pledge ongoing support to the wonderful scientific and
other collaborations that are pointing the way forward
under the radar.
It is striking that no Israeli point of view was taken in
the gathering of evidence for the report. One Israeli
student is listed as participating at the round-table
discussion, and the witness most cited in the section on
Israel is a Briton heading up an American agency. He and it
have a reputation for their anti-Israel and pro-Hamas
stance. Evidence was taken from many Arab sources. This
cannot add up to a realistic picture of Israel in the
Middle East: its voice was not heard. Moreover, there is no
mention of any pressure to be put on the Palestinian
Authority—or Hamas—to stop its terrorism, incitement,
tunnel building and hate education for children. There is
no mention of its repeated rejection of a state.
Recognition of a state of Palestine is unrealistic because
the skeleton of a state does not exist; there is no
unifying political structure: it will not recognise or live
in peace with its neighbour. Indeed, recognition has
already been extended by some states without making a scrap
of difference to the situation. The Government are turning
a blind eye, or colluding with payment of taxpayers’ money
to support terrorists and prisoners: some $l billion over
the last four years from the Palestinian Authority. Funding
other expenditure of the authority simply frees it up to
use other funds, to which the EU is a massive contributor,
to encourage more so-called martyrdom. Grant aid should be
conditional on it ceasing to support terrorism. This works:
when the World Bank withheld funds, reform followed
rapidly. Funding should be directed towards state building
and the excellent science collaboration I mentioned
previously. Establishing a viable Palestinian economy is an
essential condition for a successful two-state solution and
would facilitate political progress towards peace. Israel
has shown willing to co-operate on scientific and trade
matters, as the noble Lord, Lord Stone, frequently
mentioned, has invested in developing the Arab- Israeli
economy to that end, and would be a constructive partner.
Israel’s fears should be recognised, including the
less-than-reassuring nuclear deal with Iran. The report was
right to draw attention to Iran’s planning for the
development of nuclear weapons after the expiry of the
agreement. Remembering that the surrender of Gaza led not
to a new small state but to a rocket-launching pad, realism
requires a demilitarised Palestinian state, and a right of
return to that state for the refugees.
This House has been vociferous and unanimous in not
accepting the notion of pawns when it comes to European
citizens in this country, but the Palestinian refugees have
been used as pawns by the other Arab states for 70 years
and we should be just as vociferous in condemning that. I
still believe that it will be easier to solve the problem
of Israel than the rest of the Middle East. Most Israelis
still support a two-state solution and I believe that that
will come about long before the other risks which noble
Lords have mentioned in this debate have dissipated.
6.14 pm
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(LD)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, , for
his excellent chairmanship of the International Relations
Committee. I am a member of the committee, so I declare an
interest. I was there, making a nuisance of myself, at the
start when the advisers and clerks were saying that we were
going to do a report on the Middle East. Some of us were a
little bit truculent about this and said, “It is simply too
big: how on earth can we manage to do a report on the
Middle East?”. We were politely reminded by our excellent
adviser that she had sent around an idea for the group’s
remit. It was going to be about Saudi and Iran, not every
possible aspect of the Middle East. That may have been
slightly overshadowed in today’s debate, and I will talk a
little bit more about some of the other issues. The
committee’s starting point was to think about two key
players—Saudi and Iran—and to think about the Middle East
in a slightly different way, moving on beyond the question
of Israel and Palestine, which we could have spent all our
evidence sessions looking at.
However, as the noble Lord, , mentioned, the
work of the committee had a bit of a focus on Brexit. In
part, this was because when our new committee was set up
last year, just before the referendum, there was a question
about what our role was going to be. The quite natural
assumption was that we should be thinking about the wider
world beyond the European Union. We clearly had no interest
in trampling on the toes of the excellent EU Committee and
its sub-committees. We had our first meeting, then there
was the referendum and at our subsequent meeting we began
to say that, as the UK had voted to leave the European
Union, our committee might be of increasing importance in
thinking about the United Kingdom’s role in the world post
Brexit. As the noble Lord, , mentioned, there
were questions about Brexit and I was the person typically
deputed to ask these. There was nothing calculating about
the questions nor, I hope, the answers. They were intended
to elicit from evidence givers objective ideas about the
impact of Brexit on the UK’s role in the Middle East and
the wider world. Would it lead to enhanced opportunities,
as the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, is suggesting, or could
there be complications? Brexit will suddenly change the
nature of the UK’s engagement globally, but it will also
change the nature of the UK’s relations with the Middle
East, precisely because so much of our activity is, and can
be expected to be, with our present European partners.
We started off with the idea of a relatively narrowly
defined inquiry, looking at Saudi and Iran and the
relations between them. However, we had already heard the
Foreign Secretary, , talking about proxy
wars; there were already ideas that we were going to go
well beyond just those two countries. The themes we were
particularly looking at, and on which I will focus, were:
the background context of the Middle East; human rights;
arms sales; and, in particular, the changing demographics
and educational opportunities in the region. I am not going
to get into the nitty-gritty of every possible conflict in
the Middle East. Otherwise, I will be winding up at 10 pm
tonight and, as I am meant to be speaking in the next
debate, that is probably not a good idea.
The issue is how the UK can think about its role in the
Middle East. Was the committee going to write a report that
a think tank could have done, simply saying, “Here are a
set of challenges in the Middle East. Isn’t this terribly
difficult and complicated, and can we come up with some
possible solutions?”. The committee needed to think through
what role the United Kingdom has played, what role it can
play and how that role is viewed in the Middle East.
It was for that reason, in part, that we had the round
tables with young people that the noble Baroness, Lady
Coussins, mentioned. They were very much intended as a way
of eliciting ideas from a different group of people. It was
not as wide and open as it might have been. We did not go
to the countries concerned and find ordinary citizens. We
did not go to the villages, and we certainly did not go to
any refugee camps and talk to people on the ground. So we
cannot claim that we have been able to talk to ordinary
individuals. Almost by definition, the students who are
studying in the United Kingdom are some of the brightest
and most privileged of the people coming from the Middle
East. Nevertheless, they at least gave a different
perspective. They also gave a different demographic
perspective, because they were all under 35 and some were
in their early 20s. Therefore, it was quite different from
simply taking evidence from experts, many of whom, as has
already been pointed out, tend to be ambassadors or retired
ambassadors, who may be very erudite and expert but whose
views will not necessarily accord with young people’s
understanding of the problems in the region.
The insights from the young people were of interest, but in
particular, as the noble Baroness, Lady Coussins, touched
on, for many of the young people the key issue was not
democracy, as many of us might have expected, but
stability. They were not saying, “Please liberate us and
deliver us to a democratic system”, but rather, “Actually,
we want stability”. However, they also want opportunities.
They want to be networked, and many of them are, but they
also want the opportunities offered by education.
Our report, like so many reports in the last year, urged
the Government to think again about how they view
international students. At this point I declare my interest
as an employee of Cambridge University, where in part I
co-direct a master’s in international relations, and where
we have students from the Middle East writing about their
region and certainly coming to, and studying in, the UK.
This is one area where the United Kingdom could play a
major role. The soft power that we see does not come just
from the BBC or the British Council; it also comes through
the export of higher education, and that means students
coming to this country. It was deeply disappointing that
the Government’s response to our committee report in many
ways tried to answer the questions we had raised but on the
issue of international students simply rehearsed the same
answers we have heard again and again. Therefore, I yet
again ask the Minister to ask his colleague the Home
Secretary, and in particular their line manager the Prime
Minister, whether they could begin to think about the
importance of higher education and international students,
because it would deal with one of the issues that is so
intractable for them—immigration. I ask them to think again
about that.
My committee colleague the noble Baroness, Lady Helic,
talked about Yemen, and the noble Baroness, Lady Cox, spoke
movingly about Syria, and the noble Lord, Lord Alton,
talked about ISIS. In doing so, they raised two other
issues of fundamental importance. One is the issue of human
rights. We talk about human rights, and there is a lot of
rhetoric about supporting democracy and human rights—we
tend to put those things together. And then there is the
question of what the United Kingdom is doing, the extent to
which we bother at all to respond to those issues and how
we deal with one country in particular—namely, Saudi.
We continue to sell arms to Saudi and, as the noble
Baroness, Lady Helic, pointed out, some of those weapons
may be used in the ongoing war in Yemen. I believe that is
what she said, and it is certainly one of the issues in the
report. It would be possible to impose sanctions on Saudi
and thereby reduce arms sales to it. Will the Minister
reflect on that? Will the Government consider whether they
would be willing to reduce arms sales? As my noble friend
Lord Purvis made clear in his excellent contribution, there
is a danger when we are thinking about international
relations and our role in the Middle East, that, in looking
for opportunities arising from Brexit, we focus on
bilateral trade, some of which concerns the arms trade.
Some of those opportunities may be about delivering
security, and there may be good reasons for selling arms.
However, they may just be about commercial interest. As my
noble friend Lord Purvis suggested, sometimes economic
interest seems to trump the issues of politics, culture
and, I suggest, human rights.
Therefore, I conclude by asking the Minister what work Her
Majesty’s Government are doing to take seriously questions
of human rights, because at the moment, as my noble friend
suggested, the answers
to the committee’s report do little more than rehearse
certain platitudes.
6.24 pm
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(Lab)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Howell, not only for
chairing the committee but for his excellent, concise
introduction. I also thank all noble Lords who served on
the committee for their excellent report. However, as the
noble Lord said, we are dealing with circumstances that are
changing daily—in fact, hourly. One of the issues I have
already raised with the Minister is my hope that he will
continue to engage with noble Lords on foreign policy by
continuing with the forum started by the noble Baroness,
Lady Anelay, which ensured constant engagement in these
changing circumstances.
The key message I took from the report was for the UK to
fundamentally rethink its approach to the Middle East, and
potentially distance itself from the unpredictable
leadership of President Trump. As the noble Lord, Lord
Howell, said:
“From inward investment to the UK, the impact of refugees
from the region and our continuing reliance on gas and oil
exports, our interests will continue to be intertwined with
those of the region and the Government must ensure it has
the right plan for our relationship with it”.
However, as Patrick Wintour of the Guardian put it, this
message may also appear to be,
“a warning to the foreign secretary, who has devoted
considerable personal energy to the Middle East and set
great store by his relationship with the Trump
administration”.
The Foreign Secretary claims that the refusal to challenge
Trump in public has led to changes in US thinking,
including towards NATO, Syria, Russia and even Iran. I very
much hope that the Minister will provide the evidence for
this at the end of the debate, especially in relation to
Iran, as noble Lords have raised it. Suggesting that
influence with Iran had dwindled, the report concluded that
the Foreign Secretary should do more to,
“support the Iran nuclear deal”.
Let us not forget that seeking an agreement with Iran over
its nuclear programme was the right thing for the
international community to do. It was a vital step not only
in confronting the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran but also
in moving towards the restoration of diplomatic ties
between Tehran and the West. Therefore, we on these Benches
back calls on the US to continue to honour its commitments
under the agreement, particularly on waiving certain
sanctions, and we urge the UK Government to do more to
protect this hard-won deal in their relationship with
Washington.
While we share the committee’s view that:
“It is in the UK’s interests to pursue a better
relationship with Iran”,
including “political and economic engagement”, we remain
deeply concerned about the continued reports of human
rights abuses, as has been highlighted by many noble Lords.
As my noble friend said, we strongly
condemn the Iranian authorities’ continued imprisonment of
British-Iranians, particularly Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe,
Kamal Foroughi and Roya Nobakht among others. There are
others, of course. It is no longer good enough for Downing
Street and the Foreign Office to quietly raise concerns
about these cases. We urge them to speak out against the
continued detention of these citizens and we call for their
release on humanitarian grounds.
Labour remains committed to a comprehensive peace in the
Middle East, based on a two-state solution: a secure Israel
alongside a secure and viable state of Palestine. I agree
with the committee’s criticism of ’s decision to distance
himself from the French diplomatic efforts last year to
reach a solution in the Middle East. The Government argued
in their response, which I only received an hour before the
debate —I noted that the noble Lord the chair of the
committee received it last night; however, I had the
opportunity to read through it—that they were always clear
that a conference so close to change of the US
Administration and without the attendance of the two main
political parties was not the best way to make real
progress. A year on, is the Minister able to say whether
the time is right for the UK now to support an initiative
meaningfully, both politically and financially, as
recommended by the committee?
Our position on Israeli state settlements on the West Bank,
in line with decades of UK foreign policy under both Labour
and Tory Governments, remains unchanged: settlements are an
obstacle to the peace process and a clear breach of
international law. The Government should be more forthright
in stating their views on these issues, despite the views
of the US Administration. However, as my noble friend
said, the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict cannot be reduced to the issue
of the settlements alone. We are clear, in particular, that
the security of Israel remains an absolutely necessary
precondition for a lasting peace, and we unequivocally
condemn any and all attacks on innocent civilians in
Israel. The UK must show leadership internationally, and we
must support in our bones every effort to facilitate the
negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians, which are
ultimately the only means by which a lasting agreement can
be reached.
The committee, anticipating the possibility of public
concern about a possible UK-Gulf trade agreement, stressed
the need for a transparent negotiating position. In its
first summit in December 2016, the UK and the Gulf
Cooperation Council issued a joint communiqué in which the
leaders agreed to launch the GCC-UK strategic partnership
to foster closer relations in all fields, including
political, defence, security and trade. Following the
summit, the GCC and the UK committed to hold a working
group on counterterrorism and border security. Is the
Minister able to update the House on whether the working
group has met, and if not, when is it scheduled to be held?
In today’s Guardian there is an article on the report on
the foreign funding of extremism in the UK that was
commissioned by and given to the Home
Secretary and the Prime Minister in 2016, as referred to by
the noble Lord, . The Home
Office Minister, , said that it has
improved the Government’s understanding of the nature,
scale and sources of funding for Islamist extremism in the
UK. Will the Minister explain just how this report has
improved our understanding of relations in the Gulf and
what implications it has had for the UK’s efforts to
de-escalate the crisis currently developing?
Over the weekend it emerged that the GCC has extended its
deadline for Qatar to accept a series of demands and that
if it does not, it could face further sanctions. These
demands, as we have heard, include closing down the
television network Al Jazeera. What is the Government’s
view on that serious breach of the right of freedom of
speech?
One of the most alarming parts of the blockade includes the
closing of Qatar’s border with Saudi Arabia —its sole land
link to the rest of the world and a key route for food
imports. Some UK banks have ceased trading in Qatari riyals
for retail customers. Does the Minister agree that an
extended blockade could have a significant impact on the
country?
On 29 June the Foreign Secretary, , met with the Kuwaiti
Minister for Cabinet Affairs and the following FCO press
release stated:
“The UK and Kuwait reaffirmed their commitment to cooperate
to ensure a de-escalation, with the UK fully supporting
Kuwait’s mediation efforts. They urged the need for
dialogue and for all sides to work together to ensure Gulf
unity”.
What further action will the Government take if the GCC
decides to implement further sanctions against Qatar? The
Foreign Ministers of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and
Bahrain are meeting in Cairo today to discuss the crisis.
What ongoing discussions are the Government having with
these countries to ensure that the meeting does not result
in further escalation and further sanctions against Qatar?
The report also deals with the crisis in Syria. Many noble
Lords have referred to the confusion and disarray over
Syria, particularly the policy over the displacing of
Assad. Our first priority must be to do everything we can
to help bring this brutal civil war to an end. We
particularly condemn the continued use of chemical
weapons—in flagrant violation of international humanitarian
law—and we agree totally with the Government that there
should be no impunity for the war crimes committed. We must
ensure that we are able to act on this.
In conclusion I shall refer briefly to the situation in
Yemen, which is facing a catastrophic humanitarian crisis,
with the UN recording 4,971 civilians killed since the
escalation in the conflict in March 2015. There have been
over 1,300 deaths from cholera in the last two months and,
more importantly, 6.8 million people are at risk of
imminent famine. The civil war has pushed Yemen, already
one of the poorest countries in the region, to breaking
point. The committee suggested that there was a,
“considerable degree of public concern”,
about British-supplied weapons being used against civilians
in Yemen. But I would put it much more harshly than that. I
have raised this issue in this Chamber on many occasions,
particularly when we have had evidence provided by UN
sources. I agree with my noble friend that the Government’s
published response is totally inadequate. It cannot be
right that, when faced with the conflict we see in Yemen
and the scale of civilian casualties, the Government’s
primary involvement is selling planes and weapons to the
Saudi-led coalition, with no guarantees that they will not
be used against civilians.
As the committee says, the Government must demonstrate that
their private diplomacy is working, and that if not,
“it should speak out clearly at the UN, within the Human
Rights Council, condemning violations, intentional or not,
in clear terms”.
Labour has repeatedly called on the Government to
immediately suspend any further arms exports to the Saudis
pending a full and impartial investigation of the alleged
violations of international law, and to prioritise efforts
to allow humanitarian access as a matter of urgency. I hope
that the Minister will take these calls seriously and that
he will respond tonight.
6.39 pm
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The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth Office
(Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon) (Con)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their thoughtful and
at times insightful contributions to today’s debate. I am
also extremely grateful to the International Relations
Committee for its thorough and thoughtful report, to which
the Government have responded. The noble Lord, Lord
Collins, raised the issue of having sight of the
Government’s response. That was indeed published last
night, but I made sure, in light of the debate, that it was
also emailed to all noble Lords who took part today. My
apologies if it arrived a tad later than I expected but
certainly I actioned it this morning to make sure everyone
at least had sight of the report. I also put on record my
thanks to my noble friend Lord Howell. As other noble Lords
have articulated, he led, and continues to lead, the
committee both through experience and a very thoughtful
guiding hand on the contributions.
The Government’s response to the report set out their
detailed reflection on the 99 recommendations which, as I
have said already, were circulated to all noble Lords. The
committee’s report opened with a section entitled “Profound
Disorder in the Middle East”. Indeed, in 2017, as my noble
friend Lord Howell said so eloquently, the challenges in
the region have been significant and numerous: the civil
war in Syria; the great challenge of Islamist-based
extremism—as someone of the faith of Islam, I say that it
is the most perverse interpretation of a noble faith—the
desperate need for political settlements, as we have heard,
in Libya, Yemen and Iraq; and the stalled Middle East peace
process.
Many of the challenges are long standing. Their roots reach
back decades, perhaps even centuries. Some reflect
challenges faced in many parts of the world such as a
feeling of disempowerment, particularly among young people,
as we have heard today from the noble Baroness, Lady
Coussins, among others, and demands for better governance
and economic opportunities to meet people’s hopes and
aspirations. These were some of the underlying issues that
led to the so-called Arab spring in 2011 but by 2017, as we
have heard, the early shoots of hope have long withered
away. The issues were bubbling away under the surface but
the Arab spring still came as a surprise to many inside and
outside the region. As pointed out by the right reverend
Prelate the , hindsight is
a wonderful thing and the reactions to it might have been
somewhat different.
These events certainly put into perspective the political
developments in the UK over the last couple of years, as we
prepare to leave the European Union. Nevertheless, the
decision to leave has been a momentous event for this
country. I raise it because many noble Lords have raised it
today; indeed the noble Lord, , directly raised
how this decision will impact foreign policy. I assure
noble Lords that I wholeheartedly agree with the view
expressed by the committee that the Middle East matters
deeply to our country and requires our sustained attention,
understanding and energy.
As we prepare to leave the EU, the UK continues to be an
outward-facing, free-trading nation, a global Britain
working every day to build security and prosperity in the
world. We have great expertise and experience to build on
in the years ahead. The noble Lords, and Lord Collins, among
others, referred to the briefings that were held by my
predecessor, the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, engaging
directly with noble Lords in this respect. I assure noble
Lords and put on record that not only will that continue,
but also I hope that we can talk in honest and candid terms
at times about the influence that the UK should and will
continue to have on policy across the board. I assure all
noble Lords, most notably the noble Lord, Lord Alton, on
the issues—and I will come to them—of freedom of religion
and belief and the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, on human
rights. As the Minister responsible for both these
important issues at the Foreign Office I look towards all
in this Chamber for how we move these important agendas
forward.
Several noble Lords mentioned the current issue of Qatar
and the GCC. I assure them that the UK fully supports
Kuwait’s mediation. That is not just from behind the
scenes. We are directly involved and looking to de-escalate
the current tensions in the Gulf. As we have already heard,
my right honourable friend the Foreign Secretary has met
various parties in this respect, including the Kuwaiti
Minister for Cabinet Affairs. Equally, my right honourable
friend the Prime Minister raised this issue in a call with
Prince Mohammed bin Salman, calling for direct efforts to
de-escalate the situation. Through usual channels and
briefings I will seek to update noble Lords as I can on
this fluid situation. However, I have heard very clearly
the sentiments and concerns expressed by noble Lords on the
situation, not least as the noble Lord, Lord Purvis,
illustrated in his contribution about Qatari investment in
various interests around the United Kingdom and the need to
seek early resolution.
The noble Lord, , talked about the GCC
strategy as well. I assure the noble Lord that, as the
Prime Minister said in her speech to the Gulf Cooperation
Council in December, we will look to step up our
relationship with the GCC on a number of matters, including
security, counterterrorism co-operation, defence
co-operation, cybersecurity and, indeed, trade. Work is
under way in this respect and I will be happy to brief
noble Lords as we move forward on this agenda.
We are working directly with countries in the region and
with key global powers, including our European partners,
who we believe very strongly can help move the region
closer to solutions. Our determination also applies to our
international responsibilities as a permanent member of the
UN Security Council and as a leading member of NATO and the
G20. As the Minister at the Foreign Office responsible for
the United Nations I will again look to update noble Lords
on this, particularly as we move towards UNGA in September.
I also assure noble Lords that we are committed to our
international partnerships, to deepening them and working
together to tackle pressing global issues. As an aside, I
have already talked to my noble friend—albeit somewhat
briefly—and we will convene more formally on the role of
the Commonwealth as we move forward, and on important
agendas and the influence and role that the UK has in that
respect.
The report finds that UK foreign policy has not always
adjusted to new conditions in the region. I will set out
how we have modified our approach to policy-making to make
it more responsive to the changing environment in the
Middle East and perhaps allay in part some of the concerns
expressed. We have established a clearer, simpler, more
strategic policy-making process, with increased direction
set out by the National Security Council. We have country
and regional strategies drafted and agreed across
government departments to foster a common approach. These
draw on the expertise of a wide range of specialist
advisers, experts on conflict and stabilisation, experts on
governance and economic reform and, importantly, experts on
humanitarian assistance and gender issues. The noble Lord,
Lord Purvis, talked about the need for a cross-Whitehall
strategic approach. My right honourable friend the Prime
Minister has created a joint ministerial position to cover
Middle East issues for the Foreign and Commonwealth Office
and the Department for International Development. This will
allow a more strategic approach and allow us to better
integrate our diplomatic and development activity across
that important region.
I also assure noble Lords that we have bolstered our
overseas network. For example, we spend over £200 million
annually in the Middle East through our Conflict, Stability
and Security Fund addressing the causes of instability.
These programmes provide expertise to countries at risk of
instability in support of reforms and economic growth.
Several noble Lords asked whether these interventions were
working. They work better with countries because they meet
the aspirations of their people in a constructive way. This
approach is helping us to face some of the ongoing and
emerging challenges in the Middle East.
National security is important to the region, but also to
the United Kingdom for our own security and stability. In
the 21st century it is abundantly clear that the Middle
East’s security challenges are our challenges. The Middle
East has always engaged our national security interests, so
this is not new. We heard from the noble Lord, Lord Hannay,
about our historical roles. In the 1970s we helped Oman
defeat a communist insurgency. In 1991 we helped evict
Saddam Hussein from Kuwait. However, these were faraway
engagements, fought to protect friends and uphold the
international order. Today’s challenges in the Middle East
impact more directly on British lives and politics.
Islamist extremism has long posed a threat to both the
region and the West. We, along with our allies and friends
in Europe—France, Belgium and indeed right here on our own
streets in London—have experienced the consequences of
terrible and most heinous terrorist attacks.
The Syrian conflict and migration through ungoverned space
in Libya have contributed to the largest migration
challenge that Europe has faced since the Second World War.
Our long-term goal is to see lasting stability in the
region, to benefit it and the UK. That requires progress in
three linked areas, which I will briefly mention in turn.
The first is conflict resolution, and tackling the fallout
from failures of governance.
The fight to defeat Daesh has required a hard-edged
military response, and this has been the right response. To
help keep the streets of Britain safe, we must continue to
focus on attacking Daesh militarily in Iraq and Syria. We
have a comprehensive strategy to defeat Daesh, working as
part of a 71-member global coalition, in which we continue
to play a leading role. Our Armed Forces have conducted
more air strikes against Daesh than any coalition partner
other than the United States—and, importantly, they have
trained 50,000 Iraqi troops engaged in ground operations
against Daesh. Our military response has been consistent
with the vision for military preparedness and collaboration
set out in the committee’s report.
The noble Baroness, Lady Cox, asked what had been achieved
in Syria. She raised some specific questions and perhaps I
may write to her on those. However, the coalition assesses
that Daesh has lost 70% of the territory that it occupied
in Iraq and 51% in Syria. More than 4 million people have
been freed from its rule, and many who escaped have now
been able to return to their homes. Defeat in Mosul and
Raqqa will devastate Daesh’s so-called caliphate, but
neither will be a fatal blow. This is a fight that will
take time and require patience. Any long-term solution will
also require political settlements in Iraq, Syria, Libya
and Yemen. We also need to find diplomatic solutions to
address the underlying failures that triggered the
conflicts and created ungoverned space.
I turn to the contribution of the noble Lord, Lord Alton,
particularly on human rights. Quite rightly, he pointed to
the sickening, inhumane and heinous acts committed by
Daesh. He specifically mentioned a Yazidi MP. As schedules
allow, I will be pleased to meet her so that I can gain an
understanding directly from someone who has experienced
these crimes on the ground. The noble Lord also mentioned a
letter. I have yet to see it but, as a government Minister,
I know that sometimes such letters appear in the system.
Therefore, although I have not seen it directly, I will
follow it up and ensure that we respond to him on the
issues that he raised.
The noble Lord also referred to minorities in Iraq. It
remains our Government’s policy that there should be a
judicial judgment on a declaration of genocide. That said,
there is no doubt about the terrible crimes that have taken
place in Iraq. I assure him that that is exactly why my
right honourable friend the Foreign Secretary has launched
a campaign to bring Daesh to justice, and I will follow up
on specific matters in this respect.
The noble Lord, Lord Alton, along with others, also raised
the important issue of freedom of religion and belief. From
private discussions that we have had in this respect, he
already knows that this will be a priority for the
Government.
More generally in Syria, we continue to work for a
political solution, in support of the work of the UN
special envoy and the political process in Geneva. We call
upon Russia to use its influence on the regime to help
deliver a sustained reduction in violence and full
humanitarian access. If Russia is prepared to use its
influence positively, we will work with it in support of a
political settlement.
Turning to some of the terrorist groups, the UK condemns
those on all sides of the Syrian conflict who target
innocent civilians and pursue a terrorist agenda. This, of
course, is not only Daesh; as I have said repeatedly in
previous roles, terrorism goes way beyond the Syrian
conflict. I assure my noble friend that we will
continue to keep under review whether groups should be
proscribed and remain proscribed due to the actions that
they are taking. For example, in 2001 the UK proscribed
Hezbollah’s military wing, and al-Qaeda also remains of
great concern to the UK and the international community. As
noble Lords may know, in May 2017 the UK domestically
proscribed Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham, a violent terrorist
organisation aligned with al-Qaeda.
My noble friend Lady Helic, along with the noble Baroness,
Lady Smith, specifically talked about Yemen. The UK
continues to play a leading role in diplomatic efforts at
the UN Security Council, and we have also spoken out about
concern for the humanitarian situation. We are currently
the third-largest donor on the ground, contributing in the
region of £139 million. I assure my noble friend that we
will be working with our partners across the region and the
international community.
Along with other noble Lords, including the noble Lord,
Lord Collins, my noble friend also raised the issue of arms
sales to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. I assure her that we
take this issue very seriously. All export licence
applications are assessed on a case-by-case basis against
the consolidated EU and national arms export licensing
criteria. The key test in relation to our continuing to
export arms to Saudi Arabia is whether there is a clear
risk that these items subject to licensing will be used in
serious violation of IHL. I have heard the sentiments
expressed by noble Lords and I assure them that we will
keep this under careful and continual review.
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I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. As pioneers
of the Arms Trade Treaty, do we deal with the situation
with Saudi Arabia, and the implications for Yemen, by
taking a maximalist approach and saying, “What reasons are
there for exporting arms?”, rather than asking, “How can we
possibly justify exporting arms?”.
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In the interests of the issues that remain to be covered
the time available, I will come back to the noble Lord on
that if I may. However, as I said, it is on the
Government’s agenda.
I turn briefly to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Of course we
need to make progress on this. I listened carefully to the
various contributions with their different perspectives on
the issue from the noble Lords, , and , and the noble
Baroness, Lady Deech. My noble friend also raised
important issues, and the noble Lord, Lord Hannay, spoke
from great experience. I make it clear that the
Government’s position remains that we need to see a lasting
solution to this crisis, which has gone on for far too
long. We heard about the 1967 crisis, which occurred before
I was born. This is an important issue which needs a
resolution, and the Government’s position is consistent.
The noble Lord, Lord Collins, articulated it very well,
saying that we need a negotiated settlement which leads to
a safe and secure Israel, living alongside a viable and
sovereign Palestinian state—and that is where our efforts
will continue. I assure noble Lords that we will continue
to work with France, the US and others to reinvigorate the
peace process and support efforts to move towards a quick
peace deal that meets the requirements of both parties and
reflects our long-standing support for a two-state
solution.
Stability beyond conflicts is the second key area where we
are working for progress. We are promoting long-term
stability beyond immediate conflicts across the wider
region. The noble Lord, , said that at times
there was a perception that this was a battle between Islam
and the West. As a Muslim Minister and a Muslim of the
West, I assure him that I am not self-conflicted. Indeed, I
am proud that I am not the first Muslim Foreign Office
Minister to stand at this Dispatch Box; I am the second to
appear over a short period. That reflects the positive
nature of Islam’s relationship with the West—it is a
personal but, I think, practical example. The extremists
who seek to create these battles need to be defeated by a
unified front, and I assure noble Lords of our Government’s
absolute commitment across all sectors. Whether it is the
Foreign Office, the Home Office or other departments, we
work hand in glove. We must defeat this menace, but we must
do so with a unified response.
Finally, in addressing conflicts and sources of
instability, we are also encouraging sustainable political
and economic reform. We are taking a range of initiatives,
including teaching Arabic in UK schools—a point that I
noted from the valuable contribution of the noble Baroness,
Lady Coussins. Equally, we are working alongside other
regions through, for example, the North Africa Good
Governance Fund. We have also looked to invest in new
development zones in Jordan, and we have jointly funded a
scientific programme with Egypt to bring more than 200 of
their brightest students to study in the UK. I will write
to noble Lords about other ambitious programmes that we are
running, including supporting Saudi Arabia’s blueprint for
reforms, Vision 2030, which the noble Lord, , mentioned.
In conclusion, once again I thank all noble Lords for their
important and valuable contributions.
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I wonder whether the noble Lord would be so kind as to
address one element which came up in innumerable
contributions today and which is absolutely central to our
report. I refer to the rivalry between Saudi Arabia and
Iran. He has said not a single thing about our policy
towards Iran—not a thing.
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If the noble Lord will bear with me, there is one more
important area which I was about to mention in my
concluding remarks. There is an extensive response on that
issue. Of course we are working with Iran in expanding not
just our diplomatic ties. There have been issues since the
visit of the then Foreign Secretary and subsequent
ministerial visits also focusing on trade. It is a policy
of engagement. For example, we are committed to the full
implementation of the historic joint comprehensive plan of
action, the nuclear deal. The UK has always sought a
productive relationship with Iran, and we see the nuclear
deal as central to ensuring the long-term stability of the
region and Iran’s role in the Middle East. As the noble
Lord and others have said, it is crucial to the future
stability of that region.
In the longer term we want Iran to play a very constructive
role in the Middle East, ensuring an end to its continued
support for terrorist groups and militias across the
region. In having that productive and constructive
relationship, some of the issues touched on by, for
example, the noble Lords, and Lord Collins—in
particular the human rights issues relating to that
agenda—will be addressed. On a wide agenda and on the wide
report, if specific questions were raised that I have not
answered, I will of course, as ever, seek to write to noble
Lords in this respect.
This has been a wide-ranging debate, which has focused on
conflicts and overcoming security challenges in the Middle
East. It also requires us to work quite extensively in the
region with interested parties on future generations, on
economic empowerment and on educational initiatives, to
really ensure not just the long-term security of the region
but its long-term stability. We are equally committed to
working very collaboratively to bolster stability in the
long term. Ultimately, we want a peaceful, stable and
prosperous Middle East, with all key players having a key
role in the partnership. That is the key to combating
security threats and terrorism in the region and achieving
the economic prosperity and peace that we seek.
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My Lords, it remains for me to thank all those who have taken
part, including the Minister. Like many others, I do not want
to lose Al Jazeera. Its world coverage is often as good as
the BBC’s—and, dare I say, in some cases even better. No one
could expect solutions to these vastly complex problems, even
from the wisdom and experience of your Lordships. But I
believe that the case for the new realism that the committee
is arguing for has been sustained. What we mean by “new
realism” is the capacity to understand what is really
happening in an utterly transformed international landscape,
changed by digital power, technology and international
relations on a scale never before known in history, and to
respond as skilfully and wisely as we possibly can. That is
the argument that I think has been sustained this evening. I
beg to move.
Motion agreed.
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