Housing Benefits (18 to 21-year-olds) John Healey (Wentworth
and Dearne) (Lab) (Urgent Question): To ask the Minister if she
will make a statement on the impact on homelessness of the
Government’s plans to remove automatic entitlement to housing
benefit for 18 to 21-year-olds....Request free trial
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(Urgent Question): To ask the Minister if she will
make a statement on the impact on homelessness of the
Government’s plans to remove automatic entitlement to
housing benefit for 18 to 21-year-olds.
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From 1 April, automatic entitlement to housing costs
will be removed for some 18 to 21-year-olds. This is
a Conservative manifesto commitment and it was
formally announced as a Government measure in summer
Budget 2015.
This policy removes a perverse incentive for young
adults to leave the family home and pass the cost on
to the taxpayer. This is about stopping young people
slipping straight into a life on benefits, and it
brings parity with young people who are in work but
who may not be able to leave the family home, while
an unemployed young person can do so.
We have always been clear that this policy will have
a comprehensive set of exemptions, to make sure that
the most vulnerable continue to have the housing
support that they need, so the policy will affect
only those who have no barriers to work and who are
unable to return safely to their parental home. In
addition, there is a time-limited exemption for those
who have recently been in work. The policy will apply
only to those in universal credit full service areas
who make new claims or whose earnings drop below the
in-work threshold after that date.
The policy will be implemented at the same time as
the new youth obligation, an intensive package of
labour market support for young people from day one
of their claim. With new support available under the
youth obligation, more young adults will move into
work, significantly improving their current living
standards and future prospects.
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My urgent question—this concern is shared by Members
on both sides of the House—was: what assessment has
been done of the impact of the cuts on homelessness?
With respect to the Minister, she has made a
statement but she could have given a one-word answer,
which is “none”. No impact assessment was published
with the regulations on Friday. Why not? How many
young people will now be denied all help with housing
benefit? There are 1,741 18 to 21-year-olds in the
Minister’s county of Hampshire claiming housing
benefit. How many of them will still get help next
month, and how many will get nothing?
The Minister may not have done an assessment, but the
charities that work day in, day out to help the
homeless in all our constituencies have done so.
Centrepoint says that 9,000 young people will be put
at risk of homelessness. Shelter says that
“there is no way this isn’t going to lead to an
increase in rough sleeping.”
Crisis, which drafted the very important Homelessness
Reduction Bill promoted by the hon. Member for Harrow
East (Bob Blackman), says that the policy “runs
entirely counter” to the aims of that Bill, and that
it
“could spell disaster for the many vulnerable young
people rightly entitled to help.”
Surely the Minister does not think that those
charities are wrong. If she knows they are right,
surely the Government are not going to go ahead with
these cruel and counterproductive cuts.
Members on both sides of the House have deeply held
concerns about the rapidly rising level of
homelessness in our country. Will the Minister accept
that none of the arguments that she has made today or
previously really stack up? She says that this is
about levelling the playing field, but these young
people, who are old enough to marry, work, pay taxes
and fight for our country, will now be denied the
same right as other British adults to basic help with
housing costs.
Ministers have said that the exemptions will protect
the vulnerable, but the National Landlords
Association declares:
“Never mind the nuances, all landlords will hear is
that 18-21 year olds are no longer entitled to
housing benefit…they just won’t consider them as a
tenant.”
Ministers have said that this will save money, but
once the knock-on costs to other services are taken
into account the saving will fall to only £3.3
million.
The Minister talked about the manifesto; it contained
a commitment to remove the “automatic” entitlement.
Claimants already have to pass multiple checks and
tests, so there really is nothing automatic about
young people getting housing benefit. Will the
Minister recognise that the Government have the
opportunity in tomorrow’s Budget to reverse this
counterproductive policy? Will she leave the House
this afternoon and tell the Chancellor that if he
does so, he will have the fullest support not just
from Opposition Members but, I suspect, from Members
across the House?
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The right hon. Gentleman raised the issue of those
across the country—he specifically mentioned
Hampshire—who are already in receipt of housing
benefit. They will have transitional protections and
will not be affected. So when he asks how many in the
county of Hampshire will have their housing benefit
withdrawn, the answer is none, the same as for every
county. He also raised the case of those who are
serving in the armed forces, of taxpayers and of
couples who have children. If he looked at the list
of exemptions that was published on Friday, he would
see that those are all included.
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Does my hon. Friend agree that in the light of all
the exemptions, we are actually talking not about the
children, but about the responsibilities of the
parents? Are we not seeing here a reassertion,
rightly, of the responsibilities of parents for
unemployed young people under the age of 21?
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My right hon. Friend makes a really important point.
This is about encouraging family responsibility. It
is about enabling and helping young people who have
the choice to remain at home to stay there. For those
who cannot stay at home, a very significant exemption
is written in; those for whom it is inappropriate to
stay in the family home will be exempted from this
policy.
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Yesterday, SNP MPs joined others to try to annul this
ludicrous legislation. The Government seem to be
working on the incorrect assumption that young people
can simply stay at home, when parents have no
obligation to house their adult children. The SNP has
consistently opposed the withdrawal of housing
benefit for 18 to 21-year-olds, but under the current
powers of the Scottish Parliament, the Scottish
Government cannot reverse the cut or provide an
exemption for Scotland. Does the Minister agree that
it is simply ridiculous that young people should
suffer purely because the Government are obsessed
with imposing austerity? Can she tell us how many
young people will be affected who do not qualify for
an exemption? Does she think that an unemployed young
adult is more likely to get a job if they have a
stable address, or if they are living in a hostel or
sleeping on the streets? Will the UK Government
exempt Scottish young people from the impact of the
regulations and allow the Scottish Government to
provide the housing support on their behalf?
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The Scottish Government already have a wide range of
powers that would enable them to alleviate the
proposed changes. Our Government are committed to
working with the Scottish Government on a whole range
of issues in the DWP portfolio, to make sure that
they have the power and the strength to implement
those powers.
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What are the Government doing to ensure that this
policy supports young people who are in work?
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My hon. Friend is right to mention young people who
are in work. Anybody who is working 16 hours a week
or more at the national minimum wage equivalent will
be exempt.
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I think we should call this what it is: a nasty,
vindictive policy that will make injustice worse,
from a Government who said that they would tackle
burning injustice. Will the Minister now answer the
question that my right hon. Friend the Member for
Wentworth and Dearne (John Healey) asked? No impact
assessment has been published for the
measure—inexplicably, in my view. Will she tell the
House what advice she has received from her officials
about the impact on homelessness of this proposal?
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The Department has, of course, met all its
requirements under the public sector equality duty.
Equality assessment information has been received and
shared with the Social Security Advisory Committee,
which chose not to consult on this.
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Young people in their first jobs cannot afford their
own accommodation, so they share with other young
people or they stay at home. Why should it be
different for people who are out of work?
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My right hon. Friend makes exactly the point that
underpins this policy. We want young people in work
and young people out of work to be making the same
choices about where they are going to live.
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I think that anyone listening to this urgent question
would, frankly, be appalled by the responses that we
have had thus far from the Minister. She has not
answered any of the questions that were rightly asked
by my right hon. Friend the Member for Wentworth and
Dearne (John Healey). Will she tell us why the
equality impact assessment has not been published and
when she will bring it forward, so that we can all
see exactly the rationale behind this ridiculous
policy?
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I think I have answered that. The Department has
engaged extensively at ministerial and official level
with stakeholders. We announced this measure in the
summer Budget. There is no duty on us to share the
impact assessment with the House, but we did share it
with the Social Security Advisory Committee.
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Will the Minister confirm that care leavers will not
be affected by these changes?
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My hon. Friend makes a really important point about
care leavers. Absolutely, they are exempt from this
policy.
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One of the exemptions in the regulations where
housing benefit can still be paid is if
“in the opinion of the Secretary of State it is
inappropriate for the renter to live with each of
their parents”.
Does the Secretary of State assume that this
exemption will automatically apply where the parents
refuse to have their child living with them?
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Absolutely. That is a point. A very important
exemption is included, so where that is
inappropriate—where a parent cannot or will not
accommodate their child—such people will be exempt
from the policy.
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The key point is that nipping the dependency culture
in the bud at the earliest opportunity is very
important, because once it takes hold it can be very
damaging to the interests of those concerned. I must
say one thing, however: young people may well think
this is fair, but when we do this and protect every
single penny going to pensioners, including the
winter fuel allowance for millionaires in
mortgage-free mansions just because they are over 65,
they can be forgiven for thinking that we are not
playing fairly by everybody. That would be my
observation.
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We are trying to play fairly by young people who are
in work but have to make the decision that they
simply cannot afford to leave the family home and
stay living with their parents.
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Will the Minister explain the rationale for denying
young adults access to housing and support, while
providing it for older adults? On the face of it, and
from the Minister’s comments so far, it appears to be
nothing other than the demonisation of young people.
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This is not about the demonisation of young people;
it is about encouraging young people to make sensible
and rational choices about where they are going to
live, whether or not they are in work.
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As a parent of two children between 18 and 21, I
would be appalled if I felt that they had left home
to live a life on housing benefits while they still
have a bed in my house. Will the Minister confirm
that support will be made available for those who are
vulnerable or have complex needs?
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I thank my hon. Friend for that, and absolutely yes.
Those who cannot live with their parents and those in
receipt of the main disability benefits will be
exempt from this policy.
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Further to the question from the Chair of the
Communities and Local Government Committee, my hon.
Friend the Member for Sheffield South East (Mr
Betts), will the Minister confirm what I believe she
said earlier, which is that the only thing necessary
for a young person to demonstrate before being
entitled to the housing element of universal credit
is that their parent has said that they cannot live
at home?
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Yes, and I think I have made that very clear. If it
is inappropriate for a young person to live at home
with their parents, they will be exempt from this
policy.
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The YMCA tells me that, from April, it may not be
able to house young people with the most complex
needs, those with addictions and mental health
conditions, those who may not be able to learn or
earn, and those who cannot or will not stay at home
or, indeed, access temporary accommodation. In
relation to supported housing for vulnerable people,
which is at stake, will the Minister clarify the
scope of the exemption in regulation 4B(e), and defer
the application of the impact on those at most risk
of homelessness until we know the outcome of the
supported housing review?
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The YMCA has been involved in the consultation
process. As I believe I said at an event downstairs
last night, it is always a trusted adviser that
provides excellent advice and information.
Absolutely: those with complex needs and mental
health conditions will be exempt from this policy.
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Will the Minister tell me whether she has made any
assessment of the impact of these changes on
excellent small charities, such as Doorstep in my
constituency, that help young people who find
themselves unable to continue to live at home?
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I have received a great deal of information from and
had roundtables with a number of providers and
charities, including some of the smaller ones. We
have been very clear: those for whom it is
inappropriate to live at home will be exempt from
this policy.
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The principal reason why young people become homeless
is a relationship breakdown with their family. Will
my hon. Friend assure the House that decisions will
be taken by the Secretary of State, not by local
decision makers who may discriminate against young
people when they cannot live with their family?
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I commend my hon. Friend for his excellent work on
the Homelessness Reduction Bill. Absolutely: it is a
question of young people informing a work coach,
somebody in the local authority or a trusted medical
professional of their inability to live at home
because their relationship with their parent has
broken down, and in those cases they will receive the
exemption.
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Given that the Minister has conceded that there is an
impact assessment—she said that she has not published
it because she does not need to—and in view of the
concern that exists, would she care to think again
and publish the impact assessment?
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We looked very carefully, under the public sector
equality duty, at the impact this policy would have
and we have shared that information with the Social
Security Advisory Committee. I am under no obligation
to publish it.
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Will the Minister explain how the policy will apply
to young people on apprenticeships, who may be
earning below the national living wage?
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My hon. Friend makes a really important point in
apprenticeship week. Absolutely: apprentices will be
exempt from this policy.
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Last Thursday, as part of the work I am doing on
behalf of my right hon. Friend the Member for Leigh
(Andy Burnham) on homelessness in Greater Manchester,
I went around the streets of the city centre of
Manchester and was shocked to see the risk that young
people face from the dealing of psychoactive
substances and the threat that they face from
violence. Does the hon. Lady not understand that this
will force significantly more young people in our
country into rough sleeping and make them
increasingly vulnerable? Is this not the
personification of the return of the nasty party?
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The hon. Gentleman makes the assumption that this
will increase homelessness. In fact, we expect there
to be behavioural change and that young people will,
where they can, stay living with their parents. Where
they cannot stay living with their parents, they will
be exempt from this policy.
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At a time when the public is increasingly fed up with
politicians who do not do what they say they will do
at election time, may I congratulate my hon. Friend
on the audacity of sticking to a Conservative
manifesto commitment? Will she confirm that youth
unemployment actually continues to fall and that,
week by week, more and more young people have the
security and dignity of taking a wage back home?
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My hon. Friend is right to point out that there are
197,000 more young people in work than there were in
2010. He is right: this policy was a manifesto
commitment and it was in the summer Budget of 2015,
and we are delivering on that commitment.
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The vast majority of my young constituents who need
to access housing benefit are doing so in the private
rented sector, which means that they already face
crippling costs and great insecurity. Why can the
Minister not see that, across the board for young
people, this policy simply makes precarious
situations more precarious, stigmatises young people
and is nothing short of a kick in the teeth? Why are
the Government ignoring the overwhelming evidence
from those who work with young people showing that
this policy will make homelessness worse, and why
will she not drop it?
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As the hon. Lady will have heard, we have put in
place a long list of exemptions to protect those who
are most vulnerable and to enable those who need the
support to continue to receive it. She makes the
really important point that we are there to support
the most vulnerable and also to ensure that there is
an even playing field between those in work and those
who are not. One of the most straightforward ways in
which to be exempt from this policy is to be working
for 16 hours or more a week.
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Like the Minister, I am a great supporter of the
YMCA. Will she confirm what impact the measures will
have on all these young people, who benefit in so
many amazing ways from organisations such as the
YMCA?
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The YMCA is among the best and leading training
providers in the country, and it is also a
significant housing provider. We are determined to
work with such stakeholders to make sure that young
people who are exempt from the policy receive that
exemption and are still supported to make sure they
are in training so that they can move into the work
they need.
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My constituency has full service before most other
constituencies. The Highland Council’s temporary
homeless accommodation framework is £175 a week.
Before universal credit, my constituent Gavin was
awarded £168 a week, leaving £7 extra to find from
other entitlements. Now, it is £60, meaning £115
extra, which is much more than he gets, even before
he pays for his food, light, heat or anything else.
How is that fair?
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The hon. Gentleman did not say how old his
constituent is. It is really important that we are
focusing support on those who need it most. When it
comes to young people, we are obliging them to make
the same sort of choices that his constituents who
are in work for 16 hours or more a week are making.
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Will the Minister confirm that the Government are
doing everything possible to prepare young people for
the world of work, so that fewer young people are at
risk of falling into a life on benefits?
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The Government are bringing forward the youth
obligation in April, which is about making sure that
young people who are not in work are undertaking the
appropriate training or apprenticeship they need to
put them in the best position to move into work.
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May I return to the definition of “inappropriate to
return”? Would that include a case that I have heard
about: a young man who was kicked out by his
stepfather for being gay, but was told he could
return home if he denied his sexuality?
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Yes. We have been very clear about that. If a young
person would find it impossible and inappropriate to
return home, they would receive the exemption. The
situation outlined by the hon. Lady is absolutely one
that we have considered.
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Drilling down into the exemptions, who will make the
decisions about cases such as the one raised by my
hon. Friend the Member for Makerfield (Yvonne
Fovargue)? Similar exemptions exist for victims of
domestic violence to access legal aid—they need a
letter from a doctor or from a specialist agency—but
37% of women still report that they are not able to
access legal aid. How does the Minister propose that
the policy will work, how much will it cost and how
much will it save?
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The anticipation is that the policy will save in the
region of £105 million over the period of this
Parliament. We are absolutely committed to ensuring
that victims of domestic violence are exempt from the
policy. We recognise the impact on young women who
have been victims of domestic violence, and the
importance of supporting them.
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The young people the Minister describes bear no
resemblance to the young people I used to work with
at the youth homelessness charity Centrepoint, many
of whom had experienced horrendous physical, mental
and emotional abuse, which meant that they
understandably no longer had a relationship with
their families. How does she expect those young
people to prove that they cannot return home? They
cannot simply pick up the phone to their parents, and
they should not be forced to recount to a stranger
again and again the stories of what had happened to
them. What will the Minister do to make sure that
young people are not subjected to reliving the
horrendous abuse that they have already suffered?
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Those who have reported abuse to a stakeholder or a
trusted professional will be exempt from the policy.
It is our intention to ensure that we establish a
long list of stakeholders who can take on that
reporting. It should, of course, be the case that
they should only have to report it once.
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Yet again, for ideological reasons the Tories have
identified a problem that does not really exist. Less
than 1% of 18 to 21-year-olds claim jobseeker’s
allowance and housing benefit at the same time. We
have heard that the policy will only save £105
million if it actually works as planned. Will the
Minister tell me one non-Government stakeholder that
agrees that it will help young people into long-term,
stable work?
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We put the policy in our manifesto for the 2015
election and included it in the summer Budget 2015.
We have been really clear that it is about providing
fairness for those who are in work as well as those
who are out of work, and ensuring that young people
have the same decisions to make about the
affordability of their housing.
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There has been a war on young people by this
Government for seven years, and this is the most
shameful policy they have brought forward affecting
the most vulnerable. Not to produce an impact
statement is an absolutely disgrace. The Minister
talks about getting people back into work, so let us
talk about what the Government have done for young
people’s wages. An apprentice wage is £3.50 an hour.
How on earth can that person get to work if they are
denied the assistance they need for housing and they
cannot work near their home?
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As I said earlier in response to my hon. Friend the
Member for Amber Valley (Nigel Mills), apprentices
will be exempt.
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I have come across many reasons that 18 to
21-year-olds have left home, but I have never seen
claiming housing benefit as an incentive. Given the
long list of exemptions, would it not just be easier
for the Minister to scrap the policy altogether?
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The Government included this as a manifesto
commitment, and are determined to deliver it.
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The Minister talks about an even playing field. If
she is so confident that the policy is fair, why will
she not publish the impact assessment? What does she
have to hide?
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There is absolutely nothing to hide. I have
considered my public sector equality duty carefully.
As I said, the assessment was shared with the Social
Security Advisory Committee, which chose not to
consult on this.
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I would like to help the Minister. She is almost
there. She said that this policy will save £105
million. We can work out how many people will be
affected when we leave the Chamber, but will she
confirm whether it is in the region of 10,000? Is the
figure higher or lower than that?
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The policy is expected to affect 5,000 young people
in the first year, and 10,000 a year in steady state.
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Given that the number of people rough sleeping has
more than doubled since 2010, does the Minister think
that the policy, which singles out young adults, will
make that shameful statistic better or worse?
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As I have said repeatedly, we have put in place a
long list of exemptions precisely to prevent
homelessness. Those who are unable to return to the
family home will be exempt from the policy, so we do
not expect it to increase homelessness.
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The lack of a published impact assessment is simply
scandalous. Will the Minister tell us the measured
impact on a vulnerable young person who has had to
leave home because of difficulties or abuse, and who
is now being asked to prove that abuse just so they
can get the housing support they need to live away
from their family?
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A vulnerable young person who has had to leave home
because of abuse will, of course, be exempt.
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