Local Government Finance Madam Deputy Speaker (Mrs Eleanor
Laing) We come now to the three motions on local government
finance, which will be debated together. I must inform the House
that Mr Speaker has today certified the third instrument—the Report
on Referendums Relating to Council Tax Increases (Alternative
Notional Amounts) (England) 2017-18—as relating exclusively to
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Madam Deputy Speaker (Mrs Eleanor Laing)
We come now to the three motions on local government
finance, which will be debated together. I must inform the
House that Mr Speaker has today certified the third
instrument—the Report on Referendums Relating to Council
Tax Increases (Alternative Notional Amounts) (England)
2017-18—as relating exclusively to England and within
devolved legislative competence. All three instruments will
therefore be subject to double majority voting, of the
whole House and of those representing constituencies in
England.
3.27 pm
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The Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government
(Sajid Javid)
I beg to move,
That the Report on Local Government Finance (England)
2017-18 (HC 985), which was laid before this House on 20
February, be approved.
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Madam Deputy Speaker
With this we shall discuss the following motions:
That the Report on Referendums Relating to Council Tax
Increases (Principles) (England) 2017-18 (HC 983), which
was laid before this House on 20 February, be approved.
That the Report on Referendums Relating to Council Tax
Increases (Alternative Notional Amounts) (England) 2017-18
(HC 984), which was laid before this House on 20 February,
be approved.
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Local government is the frontline of our democracy. Every
day, England’s almost 400 districts, counties, boroughs,
unitary councils and metropolitan areas provide countless
services to millions of people. They clean our streets,
repair our roads and care for our most vulnerable people.
They maintain our infrastructure, shape our communities,
put roofs over our heads and so much more. It is our job to
make sure that they are adequately funded to do just that.
A provisional financial settlement was published late last
year. Since then, we have received formal representations
from nearly 200 organisations and individuals. I thank
everyone who took part in that process. The results of the
consultation are before the House today in the shape of the
final settlement. It is a settlement that provides councils
with the resources required to deliver world-class public
services in the year ahead, while continuing to play their
part in bearing down on the deficit. Nobody knows local
government better than local government itself, so this
settlement answers the requests made of us by
representatives of every tier of local government and every
political party.
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Mrs (Liverpool, Riverside)
(Lab/Co-op)
I agree with the Secretary of State about drawing attention
to the importance of local government. Will he explain why
Liverpool, with its high deprivation and low tax base, has
now lost more than 60% of its central Government funding?
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The hon. Lady will know that all councils have been asked
to make a contribution to deal with the large deficit that
the country had in 2010. That does not mean it has not been
challenging—it has been for Liverpool and other
councils—but many other councils have demonstrated that
there are ways to deal with that and have been able to
handle the challenges well. It might reassure the hon. Lady
to remind her that the Liverpool city region is part of the
business rates retention pilot, which I shall address in a
moment and which may help to deal with some of the
challenges.
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(Wokingham) (Con)
Does my right hon. Friend agree that the gap between the
lowest-funded authorities, such as West Berkshire and
Wokingham in my area, and the highest-funded, had become
too extreme and that more needs to be done to create some
fairness?
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I very much agree with my right hon. Friend. I shall in a
moment discuss the fair funding review, which is an attempt
to do just that.
The measures can broadly be grouped into three areas, which
I shall go through during the debate. Later, I would like
to update the House on another important source of
Government funding for local authorities: business rates.
The first request we have had from local authorities is for
increased certainty about funding. For years, councils have
called for the tools to improve services and deliver
efficiencies over a longer horizon. That is why the 2015
spending review delivered a £200 billion flat cash
settlement for local government and why we have delivered
four-year funding allocations that provide the financial
certainty required for councils to be bold and ambitious.
They have used that funding certainty to publish long-term
efficiency plans, showing their taxpayers that they can
deliver great services and still live within their means.
The story does not end there, though. Last month, we
introduced the Local Government Finance Bill, which will
devolve 100% of business rates to local government and
enshrine in law our commitment to providing funding
certainty by establishing a legal framework for multi-year
settlements. The revenue support grant will be abolished,
so councils will become financially self-sufficient. With
services financed locally, councils will be even more
accountable to their electorates, rather than to Ministers
in Whitehall.
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(Stretford and Urmston)
(Lab)
The Secretary of State says that councils are living within
their means, but Trafford Council, for which I am the
Member of Parliament, is having to draw on its reserves to
meet the spending gap it faces as a result of the reduction
in the revenue support grant, which, even in a rich
authority like Trafford, is not fully compensated by the
ability to retain more business rates.
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The Under-Secretary of State for Communities and Local
Government, my hon. Friend the Member for Brigg and Goole
(Andrew Percy), who has responsibility for local growth,
met Trafford Council recently. I meet many councils myself
and listen to some of their challenges. Trafford Council is
one of the authorities that is implementing some
efficiencies, but there are always more things that can be
done, some of which I shall highlight later.
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(Kingston upon Hull
North) (Lab)
Hull City Council wrote to the Secretary of State a short
while ago. In his response, he offered to meet the leader
of the council and its chief executive. We waited many
weeks for that meeting to be set up, until we received a
letter from the correspondence secretary saying that the
Secretary of State was not able to meet. Having just said
what he did about meeting local authorities, will he now
agree to a meeting with Hull City Council?
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I assure the hon. Lady that Ministers from my Department
have had several meetings with Hull City Council, and I,
too, am happy to meet the council. If I remember correctly,
I received a letter in November and replied within weeks. I
am more than happy to meet—in fact, I contacted Hull City
Council only today to offer a meeting.
Under the new system, there will no longer be an annual
finance settlement that is reviewed and imposed by
Westminster each year. Instead, the Government will set the
envelope and the principles for allocating funding over a
period, and it will be for councils to grow their income.
That could be done in a variety of ways, from attracting
new businesses and building new homes to working with local
partners to deliver more efficient and more joined-up local
services. One hundred per cent. business rates retention is
being piloted from next year by Greater Manchester,
Liverpool City Region, West Midlands, Cornwall, West of
England and the Greater London Authority.
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Mr (Preston)
(Lab/Co-op)
Lancashire has the third lowest tax base of any of the
shire local authorities. Preston welcomes the reduction in
business rates, but, effectively, what it means is that the
100% tax take will be lower as a result of the reduction in
business rates. We do not mind that, but the loss of
central Government funding through the rate support grant
will be a huge blow to both Lancashire and Preston.
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There has been a reset for Lancashire, so it should not
lose anything. If the hon. Gentleman wants to provide me
with any further information that he thinks we may not be
aware of, I will be happy to take a look at it.
The authorities that I have just mentioned will be able to
keep more of the growth in their business rates income with
no impact on the rest of local government. We plan to
undertake further pilots in 2018-19 in areas without the
devolution deal, including two-tier council areas.
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(Bromley and
Chislehurst) (Con)
I very much welcome the roll-out of these pilots right
across the country; it is entirely the right approach to
take. The Secretary of State’s immediate predecessor came
to Bromley to meet the leader and chief executive of our
council when they expressed an interest in Bromley becoming
a pilot. Will he take it from me that that offer and that
interest still stands, and perhaps he might like to come to
Bromley to discuss it with us?
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I know that my hon. Friend speaks with a great deal of
experience when it comes to matters of local government. I
am more than happy to meet the leader of Bromley council,
and I hope that my hon. Friend will join me in such a
meeting.
We plan to undertake further pilots for the two-tier
authorities, and I welcome applications from any council
waiting to take part in this second trial. The nationwide
roll-out of 100% business rates retention will take place
across England in 2019-20. Earlier this month, my
Department published a consultation seeking views on
exactly how the system should look.
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(Gedling) (Lab)
The explanation of why Surrey was not getting a sweetheart
deal was that it was getting something that was perfectly
normal and available to other authorities. Will the
Secretary of State tell us where Surrey is in these pilots,
because we cannot work it out?
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Well, there is not much to work out. That ridiculous claim
was demolished on the day that it was made.
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If the Secretary of State looks at page 34 of the local
government finance report, he will see the Surrey-Croydon
business rates pool set out in the statement.
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I thank my hon. Friend for that.
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(Nottingham South)
(Lab)
Which councils are eligible to be part of the pilot on the
100% retention of business rates and which ones are not?
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All councils that are in two-tier areas.
The second key area where we have listened and responded is
funding for adult social care. That issue transcends party
politics. Local government may have the statutory duty to
look after our most vulnerable citizens, but we all have a
moral duty to help it to do so.
The spending review put in place up to £3.5 billion of
additional funding for adult social care by 2019-20, but we
recognise that the coming year is the most difficult in the
settlement period for many councils. There are immediate
challenges in the provision of care, and they must be met
now before those substantial additional resources become
fully available. This settlement creates a new £240 million
adult social care support grant, and it allows councils to
raise the adult social care precept by up to 3% next year
and the year after. Together, those measures make up almost
£900 million of additional funding for adult social care
available over the next two years. That means that the
total dedicated funding available for adult social care
over the next four-year settlement period is £7.6 billion.
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Mrs Ellman
Does the Secretary of State recognise that although the
package he has put forward is a welcome step, it will go
nowhere near addressing the major crisis in social care
from which the people in Liverpool are suffering?
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I recognise that there is more to do on adult social
care—especially in the area of reform, to which I shall
turn in a moment.
Some local authorities will be able to raise less in
precept than others. That is why we have also confirmed
that the improved better care fund allocations, worth £1.5
billion by 2019-20, will take into account a council’s
ability to raise funding through the precept.
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Mr (Sheffield South East)
(Lab)
I recognise what the Secretary of State says: the better
care fund will be tailored to help authorities that raise
less under the precept. However, the fund does not really
kick in until the following financial year. Why have the
Government not done anything to help councils with a lesser
ability to raise the precept in the next financial year,
2017-18?
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The hon. Gentleman may not be aware that although the
better care fund picks up over time, it has already kicked
in. I think it represents £105 million this year, and it
rises next year and in the following years. However, he
makes an important point; I listen carefully to what he
says, especially given that he is Chair of the Select
Committee that oversees my Department. I hope he will agree
that as the better care fund comes in and builds up, it
will start to make a bigger difference.
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(Wells) (Con)
Will the Secretary of State confirm that all additional
funds that have been and will be committed for the purposes
of adult social care will be allocated according to the
needs-based formula, not the existing local government
formula, so that things such as sparsity of population and
a deteriorating demographic will truly be taken into
account?
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I can confirm that the way in which the funding has been
allocated overall is based on relative needs. I have
mentioned, for example, the new £240 million fund that the
settlement sets up for adult social care. That is all based
on need as well.
My hon. Friend has been a passionate advocate of ensuring
that we think of all parts of our country, including the
more rural parts, that face particular challenges. I have
had many constructive discussions with him and will
continue to do so. He has often highlighted that we must
make sure that those needs-based formulae, whether for
adult social care or for funding for local authorities more
generally, are updated and modern. That is something that I
am attempting to do.
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Mr (Blyth Valley)
(Lab)
According to figures from SPARSE Rural, by 2020 the
Government revenue grant will give each person in
Northumberland £6.85, while those in the neighbouring
metropolitan boroughs across the Tyne and Wear conurbation
will get £68.53. Can the Secretary of State explain that?
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I do not have those figures. However, I recognise that the
core spending power of many local authorities has changed
and that they have therefore had to deal with some of those
challenges. He might be reassured to know that in his local
authority of Northumberland the core spending power per
dwelling is more than £1,700—far higher than the average
for that class. I am sure that that helps the people of
Northumberland.
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Mr (Peterborough)
(Con)
I commend the efforts, via the better care fund, to address
the demographic issues, which transcend party politics.
While the Secretary of State is considering the efficacy of
the funding that he has mentioned, will he bring in a
fiscal incentive for local authorities such as Torbay that
are trying to integrate adult social care with acute
hospital care, so that they have a real incentive to drive
those necessary reforms and changes?
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My hon. Friend leads me directly to my next point, which is
about ensuring that we all recognise that more money for
adult social care is not the only answer. We want every
area to move towards integration of health and social care
services by 2020, so that it feels much more like one
service. I welcome what I believe is a consensus on both
sides of the House that we will need to develop reforms to
make social care more sustainable and effective for
everyone in the long term, so my hon. Friend’s point—that
as we work towards integration, would should look at how we
can best encourage that—is an important one.
Another key area concerns the fair funding review, through
which we are devising a new funding formula for local
government. It is nearly a decade since the current formula
was looked at thoroughly. Some parts of it date back as far
as 1991, when the Prime Minister was an up and coming young
councillor. It is fair to say that a few things have
changed since then: the demographic make-up of many areas
has altered radically; an ageing population means that
demand for different services has shifted; and we are
entering a world in which local government spending is
funded by local resources, not central grants. We are
undertaking a fair funding review to thoroughly consider
how to introduce a more up-to-date, more transparent and
fairer needs assessment formula. It is vital that the new
formula delivers, so we are working closely with local
government to get it right.
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Mr (North Shropshire)
(Con)
I welcome many aspects of my right hon. Friend’s statement,
but he is aware that rural authorities were unhappy at the
end of the last Conservative Government. The Labour
Government then brutally shifted considerable funds to the
inner cities. There is now a massive discrepancy not just
in council tax raised, but in money redistributed from the
centre and, above all, services. I will vote with the
Government tonight without any great enthusiasm for the
settlement, but I would like an absolute guarantee that
this review will go back to basics, looking at the needs
and significant changes on the ground so that when we
discuss this next year, we will have a completely different
settlement that reverses the trend and brings wealth back,
fairly, to rural areas.
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I welcome my right hon. Friend’s support for the settlement
and I very much sympathise with the issues he raised about
rural communities. He has been a passionate advocate of
this for a long time. I am pleased that his local
authority, Shropshire, is part of the working group that we
have established to look at the specific challenges faced
by more rural areas. I reassure him that the fair funding
review must look exactly at the kinds of issues that he
mentions and that he knows a lot about. We must make sure
that we get it right this time.
As we conduct the fair funding review, we need to ensure
that it is up to date, more transparent and brings a
fairer, needs-based assessment. It is vital that the new
formula delivers, so we are working closely with all of
local government to try to get that right. We had hundreds
of responses to the call for evidence published by my
Department last year, and it is clear that people in all
areas feel strongly about this, as we have just heard from
my right hon. Friend.
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(Bexhill and Battle)
(Con)
Will my right hon. Friend look at whether the funding
review will take into account aged-based proportions within
the community, not least because of the debate on social
care? That may be one way of diverting more money to those
at the older end of the age spectrum.
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I can confirm that that is exactly the kind of thing that
we need to look at more closely. If my hon. Friend allows
me to, I will give a bit more detail about the kinds of
things that I am keen to ensure are covered by the review.
I have been privileged to hear the views of colleagues from
across the House, many of whom have direct experience of
service in local government. Various themes have emerged.
Foremost among them is the need to ensure that the formula
works for all local authorities, wherever they are. Rural
councils in particular have unique needs that must be met,
and councils have been clear that they want to see action
sooner, rather than later. I am happy to confirm what we
have previously said on the issue. We will make the changes
to the fastest possible parliamentary timetable, and we aim
to implement new baselines for every authority in 2019-20,
following Royal Assent of the Local Government Finance
Bill, the necessary secondary legislation and the
completion of the fair funding review. I will update the
House as soon as I have further details to share.
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I acknowledge that my right hon. Friend said that this will
happen in the fastest time that the parliamentary process
will allow. May I invite him to be a little clearer on when
he anticipates that means the review will have been
completed and committed to?
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Again, I thank my hon. Friend for the role he has played in
making sure that this issue is looked at properly. As he
will know, the commitment we have made on business rates
retention, which we want to start in the financial year
2019-20, means that there will be a requirement to have the
proper baseline set for all local authorities before that
system can be properly brought in. I hope that that gives
him some comfort on the timing that is necessary given that
the two things—the fair funding review and the business
rates retention plan—are very much interlinked. There will
be various staging posts on the way. As always, I am more
than happy to sit down with him to take him through those
and discuss this further.
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(St Austell and Newquay)
(Con)
Much of what my right hon. Friend is saying is music to my
ears as well. Does he agree that this is exactly the right
time to address the issue of fair funding, because if
unfairness gets baked into the system with the retention of
business rates, it will basically be there for ever? It is
vital that we get this right now, before the retention of
business rates goes ahead.
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My hon. Friend is right. As we move to 100% business rates
retention and the requirement for local authorities to be
more self-sufficient, it is right that we have the correct
baselines, and that necessitates a proper review of needs
for all areas, including—of course—our most rural areas.
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(North Dorset)
(Con)
Does my right hon. Friend accept that one of the key bases
for this welcome review is the hope that we can eradicate
the urban versus rural debate? For those of us who
represent rural areas, it is pretty tedious to have that
arid debate every year. We are not seeking an unfair
advantage for rural areas, merely fairness and
transparency. I am certainly encouraged by what he has said
at the Dispatch Box this afternoon.
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My hon. Friend is correct. This is not about special
treatment for one area versus another; it is about
recognising the needs of each area. In more rural areas,
there are some obvious differences. For example, sparsity
can mean that the delivery of certain services is more
expensive, while others might be cheaper. This is about
having the right data and being more transparent, and then
making sure that those needs are met. That is exactly my
ambition in looking at this and making sure that we get it
right.
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Will the Secretary of State give way?
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I will give way once more on this point and then I will
have to move on.
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I thank the Secretary of State for giving way. I do not
agree with much of what he has said, but it is a refreshing
change to have a Secretary of State who has given way as
much as he has today, because that contributes very much to
the debate. Whether he is talking about 100% retention of
business rates or the fair funding review, there is a key
question for local authorities. Gedling Borough Council has
a 62% cash reduction—it is the eighth worst affected
authority in the country. This is an opportunity to make
sure that it can deliver the services that the Government
require it to deliver, as so many local authorities across
the country are struggling to do.
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I thank the hon. Gentleman for his warm words. The review
is about making sure that all areas of England and all
local authorities, whether rural or urban, have the right
settlement for the long term. Given that the formula has
not been looked at properly for years and years now—it is
out of date and requires a fresh look—I hope he agrees this
is exactly the approach that is required.
Local government funding has to be fair not just to the
area itself, but to the people who provide the funds in the
first place, including the millions of hard-working
business owners who pay business rates. Growing up above
the family shop, I saw the impact that an increase in rates
can have on small businesses. A rise in the cost lowered
the mood of the whole family. Even as a child, I knew that
it was not good when I found a stack of bright red final
reminders hidden away at the back of a drawer. My dad was
never shy about sharing what he thought of out-of-town
retail parks and how they took customers away from his shop
on the high street in Bedminster. If he were alive today, I
am sure that he would be the first to phone and lobby me
about the business rates revaluation. In particular, I can
just imagine him telling me about how the treatment of
large online retailers compares with that of more
traditional shops on the high street.
My background helps to explain why I have always been
passionate about supporting businesses. It is why as
Business Secretary I championed the £6.7 billion relief
package that means that some 600,000 small businesses will
never have to pay rates again. That is a third of all
businesses and the biggest cut in business rates in
history.
The current rate revaluation is fiscally neutral. It is not
being used to raise a single extra penny for the Treasury.
In fact, to do so would be illegal. The amount that most
businesses—three quarters of them, in fact— pay will go
down or stay the same. As I have said, 600,000 small
businesses are being lifted out of business rates
altogether, permanently.
Although those three quarters of businesses will benefit or
see no change, I am also acutely aware of the impact on the
quarter that will see increases. If someone’s rates are
going up, it is no consolation to hear that others will be
going down. I have long recognised the need to provide
support, and that is why we have put in place a £3.6
billion package of transitional relief to help more than
140,000 smaller businesses. However, as colleagues and the
media have highlighted in recent days, some individual
businesses will face particular difficulties. For example,
businesses that are coming off rate relief can face an
alarming cliff edge. Independent retailers in some
high-value areas are also struggling.
I have always listened to businesses and this situation is
no exception. It is clear to me that more needs to be done
to level the playing field and to make the system fairer. I
am working closely with my right hon. Friend the Chancellor
to determine how best to provide further support to
businesses facing the steepest increases. We expect to be
in a position to make an announcement in the Budget in just
two weeks’ time.
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Mr (Broxbourne)
(Con)
As my right hon. Friend trudges around the country,
visiting council leaders in various chambers, may I invite
him to come to a McMullen pub in Broxbourne? He will be
able to meet the chief executive of McMullen, who will
explain to him that some of its pubs, which employ many
young people in a variety of roles, will see their rates
increase by more than 200%. That is not fair. McMullen may
not be a small business, but if it has to pay higher rates
at that level, it will stop employing young people in my
constituency.
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I would be very happy to visit that McMullen pub with my
hon. Friend. He highlights the importance of pubs—not just
McMullen pubs, but more generally—and it is important for
the House to note, as we have done so often, that pubs are
more than just businesses. They play a very important part
in our local communities, which is why I would be happy to
come along and learn more from my hon. Friend and the pub
itself.
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Mr Betts
I have some sympathy with the Secretary of State’s points
about revaluation. I accept that it is fiscally neutral and
that it reflects the change in property prices, but perhaps
the Government did not help themselves by delaying it for
two years. He has referred to the difference between
business rates for high street premises and those for
out-of-town shopping centres. Is he therefore considering a
more fundamental review of the whole basis on which
valuations are made, to try to better reflect the proper
cost to businesses on the high street and in out-of-town
centres?
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rose—
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I will come to the point made by the Chair of the
Communities and Local Government Committee in a moment, but
first I will give way to my hon. Friend the Member for
Bromley and Chislehurst (Robert Neill).
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I hope that the Secretary of State will not think me
discourteous if I disappear to chair my Select Committee in
a moment. I welcome his statement and the tone in which it
was made. Many of us have raised concerns about the issues
that he touches on, and particularly about the fact that
land values are high in areas such as mine—but that is no
consolation to the independent trader on the high street.
Will he undertake to meet me and other London and
south-east Conservative MPs who have done some detailed
work on this, to see how we can best find a constructive
way forward?
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My hon. Friend makes an important point about the
challenges that businesses, particularly those on the high
street, will face in areas such as Bromley. I would be more
than happy to meet the leader of his council and other
local representatives to learn more about those challenges.
Property-based business taxes have been around in one form
or another for many decades—centuries, even. Nobody would
argue that the current system is perfect, and it is right
to ask whether the time has come for some kind of reform.
The Treasury’s 2015 consultation showed little appetite for
replacing the whole business rate system. It remains a
vital part of the local government finance settlement, and
its importance will only increase with the introduction of
business rate retention. However, with underlying concerns
about globalisation, international tax structures and the
struggle between the high street and the virtual world,
there is clearly room for improvement. We will look closely
at all possible steps to make the system fairer and more
sustainable in the short and long term.
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I welcome what the Secretary of State says about a review.
I am sure he will be interested to know of research
conducted recently by Revo with intu shopping centres,
which showed that business rates were the single largest
deterrent to foreign retailers establishing or expanding in
the UK. Would he be willing to meet the researchers behind
the report to discuss, in the context of the review, what
can be done to ensure that the UK continues to be an
attractive destination for foreign retailers?
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I want to listen carefully to anyone—any business,
individual or Member of Parliament—who has concerns to
bring me about the business rate system. I have talked
about some of those concerns. The hon. Lady talks about
issues to do with foreign retailers and others, and I will
gladly look at them. If she wants to furnish me with more
information, I will be happy to look at it. I want to make
sure that we deal with these challenges. I think we all
agree that the tax is not perfect, but it serves an
important purpose in funding public services, and we must
always look at how we can improve the situation.
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Mr Jackson
Notwithstanding the fact that there will always be
speculative and vexatious appeals, will my right hon.
Friend dispel the urban myth that the Government are
somehow getting rid of the appeals process? Will he confirm
that appeals will continue to be open, fair and transparent
for those who are unhappy with their business rate
assessment?
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I am happy to confirm that to my hon. Friend. Appeals are a
vital part of the system. Businesses must feel that the
system has integrity. If they feel for any reason that
their valuation could be wrong, it is right that they
should be in a position to challenge it. If anything, I
want to make the process more transparent and easier for
businesses that have a valid reason.
For example, the changes that we have introduced through
the valuation office will allow some smaller businesses to
go online to check their valuation. If they are in any
doubt, they will be able to contact the valuation office
directly, either online or through other forms of direct
contact, and get the valuation reviewed very quickly.
Contrary to the view of some out there that we want to make
it harder, I am determined to make sure that businesses
have a proper way to challenge the system, because it is
their right to do so.
I must conclude, because I want to make sure that
colleagues have enough time for debate. This local
government finance settlement honours our commitment to
four-year funding certainty for councils that are committed
to reform; it recognises the costs of delivering adult
social care and makes more funding available sooner; and it
puts local councillors in the driving seat with a
commitment to support them with a fairer funding formula. I
commend it to the House.
4.04 pm
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Mr (Harrow West)
(Lab/Co-op)
With social care in crisis, a huge number of businesses
deeply worried about rising business rates bills and the
council tax set to increase by 25% by 2020, this local
government finance settlement may work for Ministers, but
it will certainly not work for anyone else. While it is
good to hear that there may be some help for the businesses
most affected by the revaluation, the Prime Minister’s
spokesperson briefed after today’s Prime Minister’s
questions that there would be no more extra money available
to help fund this additional support to businesses. When
the Minister winds up, will he confirm whether that is the
case, because if it is, one group of businesses that were
expecting help will be robbed to fund the relief for
another group of businesses?
Many businesses will receive new bills next week, and
council tax bills are almost ready to be sent out. This is
the latest the settlement has been for decades, so one
might have expected there to be a little better news in it
compared with the original offering in December. There is
no new money for local government to tackle the social care
crisis, and nothing to help councils to tackle rising
homelessness and the doubling of rough sleeping. It just
passes the buck on to local councils, while local residents
are left paying more in council tax, at the same time as
public services deteriorate. No wonder this is being
described as a “hugely disappointing” settlement. That is
not my phrase, but the words of , chairman of the Local
Government Association and Conservative leader of South
Holland District Council.
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(Ashfield)
(Lab)
Nottinghamshire County Council has lost £200 million during
the past seven years. Given that 40% of the budget goes to
adult social care, is it any wonder that, day after day,
all of us across the House are getting the most
heartbreaking stories from our constituents who are simply
not getting the care that their loved ones need?
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Mr Thomas
My hon. Friend makes a very good point, which is why it is
all the more worrying that Ministers want to abolish the
revenue support grant totally under the Local Government
Finance Bill.
Perhaps I should not be too harsh on the Secretary of
State. After all, he has had a rough week. He was accused
by the former Conservative party chairman of “spinning the
numbers”, and I hear that there was concern among
Conservative Members that the Secretary of State was being
hung out to dry by colleagues, so it was good to hear the
Prime Minister’s spokesperson confirm that No. 10 still had
full confidence in him. In truth, in just eight short
months, the Secretary of State has been found asleep at the
wheel twice—with a social care crisis entirely of the
Government’s own making, about which he was warned well in
advance, and now a business rates crisis, which he must
have known might create a problem for many businesses,
given that his party delayed the revaluation by two years,
yet the seriousness of which it has apparently taken him
until now to grasp.
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(Broxtowe) (Con)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that if county councils such
as Nottinghamshire want to do better on social care, they
can look at cutting their costs by going into a unitary
authority? Conservative county councillors in
Nottinghamshire agreed that that was a good idea, but
Labour county councillors, no doubt thinking of their
allowances, decided it was a bad idea.
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Mr Thomas
I encourage the right hon. Lady, for whom I normally have a
lot of respect, not to make such partisan and, I suspect,
inaccurate points, but to look at a booklet published by
the LGA Labour group that gives 100 examples of the way in
which Labour councils have innovated during the past few
years. She may want to encourage some Conservative
councillors that she knows to follow such examples.
The Secretary of State sent a letter to all his
Conservative colleagues claiming that the concerns raised
about business rates by businesses and hospitals were
based, apparently, on a
“relentless campaign of distortions and half-truths”.
Leaving aside the question of whether it was right to
release the figures just to Members of his own party, the
irony is that, as was quickly exposed, the actual bills
businesses will receive are likely to be 7% higher than the
figures he produced. I gently suggest that the Secretary of
State is in danger of getting a reputation for being sloppy
in his use of figures.
Ministers have known about the business rates revaluation
for a long time. Indeed, when announcing the delay, the
right hon. Member for Brentwood and Ongar (Sir Eric
Pickles) explained that it was to prevent “unexpected
hikes” in business rates. Why did the current group of
Ministers not think to analyse its consequences a little
earlier? How can it possibly be fair that the overall
business rates bill for Amazon, which has avoided paying
much in corporation tax despite making huge profits, has
gone down while family-run businesses that have existed on
local high streets for decades face huge rises in their
business rates bills? To accuse, as the Secretary of State
effectively did, the Federation of Small Businesses, the
CBI and the British Retail Consortium of distortions and
half-truths in their campaigning is a disgrace. He should
apologise to them.
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While the hon. Gentleman is discussing the revaluation of
business rates, will he welcome the Government’s measures
in recent years to provide small business rates relief, and
its indefinite extension, which has been so advantageous to
many of the small businesses he claims the Government will
have harmed?
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Mr Thomas
I certainly welcome small business rates relief. We will
have to wait and see whether Ministers will raid the pot
that some businesses were hoping to benefit from, in terms
of that rates relief, to fund support to other businesses
that will see even bigger increases than they were
expecting in their business rates bills.
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The hon. Gentleman is making a case for more funding for
social care and more rates relief. How much money does he
have in mind and how should that be paid for?
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Mr Thomas
I am sorry that the right hon. Gentleman was not successful
in his efforts to get on to the Local Government Finance
Bill Committee, but if he will bear with me, I will to come
on to Wokingham and social care.
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The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Communities
and Local Government (Mr Marcus Jones)
The hon. Gentleman now seems very concerned about the
burden of business rates on business. Why then, during the
Local Government Finance Bill Committee, did he and his
colleagues advocate allowing local authorities to increase
the multiplier in an arbitrary fashion, thereby putting tax
rates up for businesses?
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Mr Thomas
I am glad the Minister got to his feet, because I was
coming on to his performance yesterday in Committee. Given
the deep and profound concerns about the business rates
revaluation, it was a little surprising for the Secretary
of State to send out his Minister to reject the idea that
any change to business rates was necessary. His
spokesperson was still being quoted yesterday as claiming
that business concerns were just scaremongering.
In 2005, PricewaterhouseCoopers tracked the tax liabilities
of Britain’s biggest companies and found that half of the
total came from corporation tax, while just 11% came from
business rates. Today, corporation tax has fallen to 19.7%
of tax paid by the top 100 group of companies, while the
figure for business rates is 21%. Moving away from taxing
revenue and profits, and increasing the tax share on
businesses more reliant on bricks and mortar is surely
going in the wrong direction given the rise of the digital
economy.
I welcome the Secretary of State’s decision to have a
review of the support for small businesses hit hardest by
the business rates revaluation. I look forward to him being
able to instruct his Minister, and encourage his hon.
Friends, to support the amendment we have tabled to the
Local Government Finance Bill on Report, requiring a full
review of business rates and their impact on local
government finance before the Bill comes into effect.
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I just wonder whether the hon. Gentleman is able to clarify
something for me. He has consistently said that he supports
the 100% retention of business rates for local councils.
However, he seems to advocate lower business rates for
businesses and more money for local councils, which does
not seem to add up. Where will the money come from?
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Mr Thomas
As we have gently suggested before in this Chamber, we
simply do not think it is the right time to cut corporation
tax for businesses like Amazon, Sports Direct or Britain’s
biggest banks. It is important that we get business rates
right, because from April 2019 local government will be
increasingly reliant on that income stream to fund vital
public services. Since the Conservative party came to
power, funding from central Government has been cut by over
40% and they want to axe the revenue support grant
completely. Councils will spend some £10 billion less on
England’s local public services this year than they spent
in 2010-11. Ministers have never denied the Local
Government Association’s calculation that local authorities
are facing a £5.8 billion gap by 2020 just to fund
statutory services.
Today’s settlement represents a further cut in councils’
core spending power. Not a single extra penny of new money
for local government has been found for the care of
Britain’s oldest and most vulnerable citizens. Some £4.6
billion has been axed from social care budgets since 2010.
More than 1 million English adults, people who have served
our country and deserve to be treated properly and with
dignity, are estimated to have unmet care needs, which is a
remarkable, almost 50% increase since 2010. The crisis is
having profound consequences for the NHS and forcing
councils to axe funding for other vital local services to
enable them to provide even the most basic service to the
most vulnerable.
Last July, the Association of Directors of Adult Social
Services warned of serious problems in social care, but the
Secretary of State did not act. In October, the Care
Quality Commission said that adult social care services
were at a “tipping point”, but the Secretary of State
dismissed it as an exaggeration. There were briefings that
action would be forthcoming in the autumn statement, but
that came and went. When the statement on local government
finance came around in December, all we were presented with
was money being moved from one council funding pot to
another and permission to raise council tax quicker than
before.
The social care precept raises vastly different sums of
money in different areas and is completely unrelated to
need. It shifts the burden of solving a national crisis on
to hard-pressed local councils and local residents,
including all those only just managing to make ends meet.
Members from across the House and from all parties have
called on the Government to act. The Chairs of the Health,
Communities and Local Government and Public Accounts Select
Committees have called on Ministers to act, yet the crisis
has just got worse. The Association of Directors of Adult
Social Services and the head of the NHS have also called on
Ministers to act, while Age UK says that the English social
care system is facing complete collapse.
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The hon. Gentleman is right to talk about the need for
social care reform, although I believe that the Government
are responding to that need, but would he like to take this
opportunity to congratulate Conservative-run East Sussex
County Council, which has put its budget alongside that of
the local clinical commissioning group and is moving money
out of hospitals, so that patients can come out of hospital
or need not even go in at all? Is that not a good example
of local reform delivering now?
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Mr Thomas
I always support things that improve services to local
people, but I say gently to the hon. Gentleman that I am
surprised at his complacency and apparent belief that there
is no social care crisis at all—that seemed to be the
implication of his remarks. Many local authorities up and
down the country are deeply worried about the social care
situation. I suspect that if he spoke to councillors in
East Sussex, he would find that they, too, are deeply
worried.
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I talk regularly to my councillors—I am here to represent
them, as I am all my constituents—but I have an issue with
the hon. Gentleman’s talk of a crisis. There are challenges
in the system and a need for reform, but the talk of a
crisis is scaremongering and sending out a signal that
things cannot be fixed locally, whereas my county council
is showing that, with hard work, imagination and
application, they can be.
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Mr Thomas
If the hon. Gentleman will not listen to me, perhaps he
will listen to Izzi Seccombe, chair of the LGA’s health and
wellbeing board and Conservative leader of Warwickshire
Council. Earlier this week, she said:
“To continue, it is really looking like we are cutting into
the bones of services that matter to people”.
According to the LGA’s analysis, 147 of England’s 151
social care authorities are considering or have had
approved the introduction of the social care precept for
next year, but it estimates that that will raise just over
£540 million, which does not even cover the cost of the
Government’s national living wage. It will not tackle
either the growing crisis in services available to support
the elderly or disabled or end the need for cuts to local
services, including social care, such is the funding
crisis.
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(Thirsk and Malton)
(Con)
The hon. Gentleman referred to the needs within different
local authorities. Does he accept that some local
authorities are under greater pressure than others? For
example, 13 London boroughs were able to reduce or freeze
council tax in 2016-17, while many others were not. Is he
advocating a system based purely on cost drivers, need and
the cost of delivery, rather than regression and the
baked-in formulas of previous years?
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Mr Thomas
The hon. Gentleman will remember that he and I had this
discussion many times during our sittings on the Local
Government Finance Bill. While the hon. Gentleman seeks to
champion his constituency, which is a rural area, I gently
suggest that he might like to talk to Ministers about why
they intend to abolish the rural delivery services grant,
which was specifically introduced to help provide
additional funding to rural areas such as his.
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The hon. Gentleman knows very well that this is happening
in a context of much more money coming into the system—an
extra £12.5 billion into local government by 2020. That is
the relevant context, rather than what he says about
withdrawing funding from local authorities.
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Mr Thomas
Given the scale of the funding crisis facing local
government at the moment and the abolition of other funding
streams such as the £3 billion going from the public health
grant, I suggest that the hon. Gentleman should be a bit
more of a champion for rural areas and try to defend his
own area’s funding through the rural delivery services
grant.
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rose—
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(Totnes) (Con)
rose—
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Mr Thomas
If the hon. Gentleman will forgive me, I shall take the
intervention from the Chairman of the Health Select
Committee.
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Dr Wollaston
I would like to put on record the fact that my constituency
covers part of Torbay, which has both a national and an
international reputation for integration of health and
social care. Despite that, it is now under extraordinary
pressure from a number of sources, and it is very important
that Ministers are aware of the strain that social care is
under.
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Mr Thomas
I commend the hon. Lady, who has been a brave voice on the
Government side in raising this issue.
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Mr (Coventry South)
(Lab)
My hon. Friend was right earlier when he said that even if
local authorities are allowed to raise this money, in the
longer term, by 2021, it will not cover the costs, because
there will be a deficit nationally of more than £2 billion.
If we take Coventry and Warwickshire, by 2021, there will
be deficit of £33 million. That shows the scope and scale
of the problem.
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Mr Thomas
My hon. Friend has taken a number of opportunities of late
to champion his local authority in the difficulties that it
faces—not only for now, but in the long term. The situation
he describes in Coventry is mirrored up and down the
country. It is time that Ministers grasped the seriousness
of the situation.
The LGA has made clear that the continued underfunding of
social care is making it impossible for many local
authorities to fulfil their legal duties under the Care Act
2014, leaving open the prospect of a whole series of costly
court challenges. It is true that some money, £240 million,
has been switched from the new homes bonus to fund social
care, but when serious analysts suggest that £1.3 billion
is needed urgently now to stabilise the social care system
and that the funding gap for social care is expected to
reach £2.6 billion by 2020, it is difficult to find anyone,
even in the Government’s own party, who thinks Ministers
are on track to sort the social care challenges that our
country faces.
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Mr Betts
Is it not disappointing that attempts are now being made to
blame local authorities for problems in social care funding
that are clearly of central Government’s making? When Simon
Stevens came to the Communities and Local Government
Committee, he made it absolutely clear that there would be
a funding problem for social care in this country—even if
every local authority performed at the level of the best.
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Mr Thomas
My hon. Friend makes a very good point. The default
position for Conservative Members, whenever an issue is
raised about the funding gap for social care and a number
of other services, is to blame local authorities. The
evidence of Simon Stevens and others rightly rebuts that
point.
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Conservative Members actually blame Labour Front Benchers
for so shamelessly rigging the system in favour of
Labour-controlled cities during their time in government. I
am sure that the shadow Minister will therefore welcome the
review announced today to make sure that the future funding
formula for local government is much fairer to both urban
and rural areas.
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Mr Thomas
I admire the hon. Gentleman’s chutzpah, if nothing else. On
the subject of mates’ rates, I shall deal with Surrey
County Council in a moment.
Just last month, the Secretary of State once again told the
House:
“In the last spending review, the Government allocated an
additional £3.5 billion a year by 2020 to adult social
care.”—[Official Report, 16 January 2017; Vol. 619, c.
664.]
That was based on £1.5 billion from the back-loaded better
care fund and £2 billion from the social care precept, but
when we look at those figures closely, we see that the £2
billion was simply rounded up from the Department’s
estimate that £1.8 billion would be raised from the
precept. The Government had casually added an extra £200
million. That assumption was based on every council’s
raising the precept by the full amount, but we already know
that not all councils will do so.
When we look even more closely at the detail, we see that
it also builds in the assumption that an additional 1.45
million households will be paying council tax. Ministers
seem to have disowned the ambition of the previous Housing
Minister—the current Minister for Policing and the Fire
Service—to build a million new homes by 2020, so I have no
idea where the Government plucked that 1.45 million figure
from. Perhaps the right hon. Member for Welwyn Hatfield
(Grant Shapps) would be tempted to call this another case
of “spinning the numbers”. The truth is that the additional
funding that the Government claim to be putting into social
care is far from guaranteed, and, in any event, unless they
find genuinely new money, there will still be a very
significant funding gap by 2020.
Now let us come to Surrey County Council and the sorry saga
of the abandoned 15% council tax referendum. Shortly after
the announcement, David Hodge, the council’s leader,
revealed that he had already made cuts worth £450 million
and explained that he would have to take an axe to services
if the extra £60 million that the 15% council tax hike
would have raised was not agreed.
One reason why Surrey’s announcement was so striking is
that it has been able to increase spending on adult social
care by over 34% since 2010-11, whereas some councils have
had to decrease it by up to 32% in the same period. In
fact, only two of the 152 social care-providing local
authorities have been able to increase their spending on
social care more than Surrey. If Surrey says that it cannot
cope with demand for social care, which council can?
In the most deprived areas of the country, social care
spending fell by £65 per person as councils were hit
particularly hard by Government funding cuts, but rose by
£28 per person in the least deprived areas. The social care
precept will only further entrench that inequality.
Blackpool, the most deprived unitary authority area in the
country, faces a 31% reduction in spending power between
2011 and 2019, whereas Wokingham, the least deprived area,
faces only a 4% fall in the same period.
Perhaps Ministers will finally take the opportunity today
to enlighten us on what discussions took place between
their Department and Surrey County Council, but from the
outside it looks like policy-making on the hoof: Ministers,
embarrassed by one of their own, exposing the fallacy of
their argument. They seem to have settled on opening up the
business rates retention pilot scheme, but why was Surrey
given special access, whereas other local authorities have
not been told how they can apply until now?
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It should be made clear that Wokingham starts £400 a head
worse off than the very best-rewarded councils, which is
why there has to be a differential rate.
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Mr Thomas
Let me gently suggest to the right hon. Gentleman that he
might like to think about the adequacy of the funding for
services that are needed in that area. I suggest that, in
that spirit, he might recognise the accuracy of the figures
that I have just given.
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Mr
Between 2010 and 2020, Coventry’s Government grants will
have been cut by 50%. The Government are shifting
responsibility for grants on to local authorities. Let me
put it another way: Coventry will have lost £655 million,
and in that respect it will be typical of local authorities
throughout the country.
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Mr Thomas
My hon. Friend has made a good point. That is all the more
reason for continuing to hold the Government to account for
their decision to axe revenue support grant in full under
the Local Government Finance Bill.
What this settlement also does not address are the huge
pressures that councils face as a result of rising
homelessness and temporary accommodation costs, as well as
rapidly increasing children’s social care costs.
Rough-sleeping rates fell to historical lows under Labour;
they have more than doubled since 2010. The number of
social homes being built is at the lowest level on record.
With more than 1 million people on social housing waiting
lists, councils’ spending on housing families in temporary
accommodation has gone up by 46%. Instead, Ministers are
taking money away from councils through the new homes
bonus. Ministers sing the praises of the new multi-year
settlement as a way to give local government certainty, and
then in their very first year make a late switch, leaving
many councils with an unplanned gap in their budgets.
No area of England has been spared from cuts to services.
The doors have shut on libraries, day centres and care
homes. Bus services, leisure centres and youth centres have
all closed or had their hours and range of services
restricted. Women’s refuges have been axed, funding and
contracts for local charities taken away. Advice services
have gone. Investment in parks and street cleaning has been
sharply reduced. All these services and others, treasured
by local communities, or vital lifelines for vulnerable
residents, have been cut.
This funding settlement will mean that the people of
England are left with worse public services. It will deepen
the divide between those parts of the country that are
well-off and those that rank highest for deprivation. It is
a settlement that will not remotely begin to tackle the
social care crisis, and it will hit the pockets of those
struggling to balance their budgets particularly hard. And
it does not tackle the long-term problems facing councils
from an increasing dependence on business rates. England
deserves better, and that is why we will be voting against
this report.
4.31 pm
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(Broxtowe) (Con)
May I begin by paying a handsome tribute to all
councillors, wherever they are and whatever political party
they belong to? The hon. Member for Harrow West (Mr Thomas)
will be pleased to hear that I am being non-partisan. Good
councillors are genuinely worth their weight in gold,
whatever their political allegiance—and a half-decent
Member of Parliament will work hand in hand with their
councillors. I have always tried to do that, whether at
parish, district or borough level—and, at the higher tier,
at county level, because Broxtowe does not benefit from
having a unitary authority, although many other Members’
areas do. We should say a big thank you for the work that
so many of our good councillors do. They have, we could
argue, a critical role to play in delivering not only
democracy but the key and most important of our public
services. I have only stood once for a council—I was
unsuccessful—but I have never doubted that local
authorities do invaluable work. We often forget the value
of that work.
I apologise to any Labour members of Nottinghamshire County
Council; I do not suggest that they have resisted moves to
go unitary because they fear they might lose their
allowances, but the reality is—I am being very blunt about
this—that many areas, including no doubt some Conservative
and Lib Dem areas, have a genuine need for a unitary
authority. I am now very firmly of the view that we should
go unitary, with very few exceptions. I quickly add that,
because I once had the great pleasure of going to Rugby,
and I think Rugby Borough Council could de facto be a
unitary, because it does a cracking job, so I am not saying
every council should be a unitary. It is overwhelmingly the
case, however, and I urge the Secretary of State and his
ministerial team to look at the desire for more unitary
authorities, and to say to many of our councillor
colleagues—in the Conservative and other parties—that, “The
days have gone when you could sit on a borough or district
council, taking not a great deal of money by way of your
allowance, and, I accept, sometimes doing a good job for
your communities.” We now need to move to a unitary model
to reduce costs and deliver services in a more effective
and efficient way.
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I represent a constituency in north Yorkshire, an area with
eight local authorities. There are eight chief executives,
eight economic development officers, and eight directors of
finance. That cannot be right; we need to remove tiers of
bureaucracy and reduce costs in order to maximise the use
of our resources.
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I could not agree more. My hon. Friend makes a compelling
point.
Broxtowe Borough Council has done a terrific job, and I pay
credit to the previous authority, run by Labour and the Lib
Dems, which started the sharing of back office functions.
Obviously I take the firm view that the new
Conservative-run council is even better—[Hon. Members:
“Hear, hear!”] I genuinely believe that it is,
notwithstanding the unfortunate position that it now finds
itself in. I shall address that point in a moment; my
speech will not be all roses, as you can imagine, Mr Deputy
Speaker. We are here to represent all our constituents, and
we are also here to represent our hard-working councillors.
Broxtowe Borough Council—now Conservative run—has continued
much of the good work on sharing back office functions, but
as my hon. Friend the Member for Thirsk and Malton (Kevin
Hollinrake) says, there is only so much that such councils
can do. Broxtowe continues to share those functions, but we
are now going across borders and sharing functions with
Erewash and, increasingly, with Rushcliffe. I have already
told the leader of our borough council, Councillor
, that I am
slightly worried about that. He shares my view that we
should move to a unitary arrangement. That is brave of him,
as the leader of a borough council—he is also on the county
council—but Conservatives are increasingly being brave and
considering whether going unitary would be better. If they
are to make that advance, however, they will have to work
even more with other authorities in the county rather than
crossing the border into Derbyshire. So Broxtowe Borough
Council is sharing back office duties, but as my hon.
Friend said, there is only so much that it can do. Let us
look at planning. No disrespect to all my great planning
officers, but in reality we need one unitary authority to
deal with important planning matters.
I shall turn now to the difficulties that Broxtowe
undoubtedly faces. Because of the settlement, Broxtowe
Borough Council will lose around £380,000 in 2017-18, and a
total of £1.18 million over the next three years. That
equates to an increase in council tax of about 5%. We must
bear in mind that one of the reasons that the Conservatives
came into power in 2015 was our promise not to increase
council tax. Broxtowe does not want to put up council tax
but it faces a big drop in its income in the coming years.
The council, and Councillor , are agitated
even more by the short notice that has been given of the
settlement. He told me that the administration had
“hardly any time to plan for the reductions that will be
needed”.
It has had only a few weeks in which to balance next year’s
budget.
It is tough to say this, but the reality is that all our
local authorities are increasingly finding themselves in
financial difficulty. They have a desire to deliver
excellent services, but the amount of money available to
them—notwithstanding the good work that so many of them
have done to reduce their costs—is putting a strain on
their ability to deliver the first-class services that they
are determined to deliver. I make this plea on behalf of
Broxtowe Borough Council. It has accepted this cut, which
will be difficult—the Secretary of State was good enough to
arrange a meeting with representatives of the council, and
we are grateful for that—but enough is enough. Really,
these must be the last such cuts to good local authorities
such as Broxtowe.
I want to turn now to business rates. Having had the
pleasure of working with the Secretary of State for 12
months and more, I have absolutely no doubt that he
understands the needs, the pressures and indeed the joys of
running a small business. He gets that—of course he
does—and I am proud that we did so much in our time
together to improve the lot of small businesses. However, I
have big concerns about business rates. Now is not the time
to go into all that, but in my view, it is a bad system. It
is inherently unfair. No matter how much money a business
makes—or, indeed, loses—it still has to pay its rates, and
that is absolutely wrong. A business could occupy a certain
space and have only a couple of people working in it, but
it could be making millions of pounds in profits because it
provides an online service. However, that very same space
could be a shop on one of our great high streets, which are
frankly struggling. We all want our high streets to thrive.
The shop might employ three or four people and have a much
smaller turnover, but its rates will be exactly the same as
those of the multimillion-pound business in the same space.
I am sorry, but that is not fair. As I said, now is not the
time to discuss this, but I think the Government get the
issue. The trick is to find an alternative that still
raises the same amount of money, which I accept is
difficult.
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Mr
I agree with a lot of what the right hon. Lady is saying.
On average, small businesses with fewer than 10 employees
could face an increase in rates of around £17,000 a year.
Now, that is a lot of money and it could put many small
businesses, shops in particular, out of business.
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I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. We must
realise that small businesses are defined in different
ways. There is a profound difference between the
Government’s definition of a small business, which is any
business that employs fewer than 250 people, and the many
microbusinesses that so many of us have in our
constituencies. We should not underestimate the benefit
that many of them have had from the raising of the
threshold to £12,000 a year, which has been a real boost.
Of course, the difficulty is that many microbusinesses,
which may employ five people or fewer, still face the
burden of rates. Anything that the Government can do to
improve their situation will be hugely welcome.
We do not know all the details of the revaluation yet
because it will not be officially announced until March,
but we know that the multiplier will be reduced and my
office has been asking small businesses about the effect.
While some businesses will undoubtedly benefit, my concern
about the situation in Broxtowe is that some pubs may face
a quite unbearable rates rise. We do not have all the
details of the situation yet, but I know that the Secretary
of State will want to know them and I will not hesitate to
give them to him. We know the value of pubs. They are
important to our communities, but they are also important
to our economy. They are great small businesses.
There are also concerns that rates will be reduced for some
supermarkets while other businesses that employ maybe five
to 10 people will find that their rates increase. In
Broxtowe, the change will be neutral across the board—not
the 0.7% change in the letter from the Secretary of State
and the Chief Secretary to the Treasury—but with inequities
in who will have to pay more and who will have to pay less.
For example, we think that some businesses in Broxtowe’s
three retail parks may pay less. There is often a battle
between the retail park and the high street, and we think
that some high street businesses may pay more than
businesses in retail parks. Retail parks have big
businesses—Ikea, Boots and Mamas & Papas, for example.
I am not saying that they can necessarily afford an
increase in rates, but they can probably soak it up in a
way that a small independent business cannot. I will
provide the Secretary of State with any details as they
come out, and I know that he will take them on board.
I have no doubt that the Government absolutely understand
the real strains in our social care system. I welcome all
that has been done, but much more needs to be done. I
reject the use of the word “crisis”, which is horribly
overused. Our services are strained, but they are not in a
crisis. In Nottinghamshire, the Conservatives have made it
clear that if we are successful in May and again gain
control of the county council, we will use the good
provisions that the Secretary of State has put in place to
allow us to raise the additional 3% through the precept. We
will do that to ensure that we can raise as much money for
social care as possible. However, I gravely fear that the
reality is that the Government need to put more taxpayer
money into the system.
I spoke to the chief executive of Nottinghamshire County
Council on Friday, and such is the strain, for all sorts of
reasons—I do not have time to go into those reasons, and
this is not the place in any event—that Nottinghamshire is
unable to offer homes to unaccompanied child refugees
because of the extraordinary cost required to ensure that
they are kept safe. It is important that such children get
the right services and placements, and so on. At the
moment, Nottinghamshire does not have the resources needed
to do the right thing by those unaccompanied children. As I
said at the beginning, we have to bear in mind the real
strains being put on our local authorities and our
outstanding councillors.
Finally, I have spoken about unitary authorities, and I
urge the Secretary of State to consider being even braver,
to take the bull by the horns and say to councils, “Now is
the time. You must become unitary.” That is the way forward
for many councils in order to save money and, most
importantly, improve services.
4.45 pm
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Mr (Sheffield South East)
(Lab)
The obvious point is that there is no change from the
provisional settlement. We are talking about the same
figures as the Government presented to us a few weeks ago.
It is difficult to imagine that nothing any local council
has said in that time has been relevant to its financial
circumstances to the extent that Ministers feel the need to
respond in some way. That is the case: no change whatever
to the initial proposals.
The settlement therefore represents a continuation of the
cuts that began in 2010. I welcome, as I have previously,
the four-year spending settlements being given to councils.
The settlements are a helpful step forward that local
government has also welcomed in general. This is a
cash-flat settlement over a four-year period, which
therefore means a continuation of cuts because cash buys
less over a four-year period not merely because of
inflationary pressures, but because of the additional
pressures on services from the growing number of elderly
people and the extra pressures of the Care Act 2014 and the
Children and Families Act 2014. Local authorities are
having to absorb all those pressures within the cash-flat
settlement.
The Comptroller and Auditor General, Amyas Morse, has
figures showing that the spending power of local
authorities, in real terms, reduced by 25% between 2010 and
2016. He has also said that there will be a further 6%
reduction up to 2020. Amyas Morse says that the cuts are
continuing.
Furthermore, it is very clear that local government has
received bigger cuts over a longer period than any other
service provided by Government—far bigger than any service
provided by any other central Government Department. The
reality of the situation is that no other Department has
had cuts on this scale, and that cannot be challenged
because those are the facts.
The Local Government Association has said that, by 2020, at
the end of the spending review period, there will be a gap
of £5.8 billion. That is the LGA’s figure, and I know that
some people will say, “Well they would say that, wouldn’t
they? They want extra money.” Those people might be right,
but there may be demands on service provision that cannot
be met by the agreed funding settlement.
All I ask of the Secretary of State and the Minister is
that they please think carefully when the time comes to
make decisions about the scheme for 100% business rate
retention and about allocating the extra £11 billion to £13
billion. The Local Government Association is clearly saying
that the first call on those resources should be the
existing services that cannot be funded with local
government’s existing money. That is a fundamental point.
I hear what Conservative Members are saying about the need
to get the needs assessment right. One of my Select
Committee colleagues, the hon. Member for Thirsk and Malton
(Kevin Hollinrake), is nodding in agreement. The Committee
is considering the needs assessment, and we have
commissioned work on that, too, but it is no good getting
the needs assessment right on the allocation of resources
to individual authorities if, at the beginning of the
process, we get it wrong on the overall needs of local
government as a whole. That is why we need to take
particular account of that demand.
My local authority in Sheffield faces challenges next year.
It is saying to me that there will be another £23 million
cut in revenue support grant; that it will need to make £40
million of savings to meet inflation and the extra demands
that it, like any other council, has to deal with,
particularly those relating to social care; and that all
that will mean reductions in the standard of service
provision across the board. It will try to protect social
care, but that means less money for other services, such as
parks and open spaces, on which the Select Committee has
just published a report that shows the stresses and strains
on those services.
Social care has rightly been given a lot of attention.
Along with the Chairs of the Health Committee and the
Public Accounts Committee, I wrote to the Prime Minister to
ask for an all-party review of long-term social care
funding needs. That still needs to be done; we have to
reach a new settlement because the existing system clearly
does not work. We have to make the best of it for the time
being, but we need to reach a general agreement on
something more substantial for the longer term that will
stand the test of time, so that review still needs to be
done.
Let us look at the immediate situation. The LGA is saying
that there will be a £2.6 billion deficit in social care
funding by the end of this financial settlement in 2020,
and that £1.3 billion of that is here and now. Despite the
Government’s proposal to increase the precept by 3%, and
the cut in the new homes bonus to allow for extra social
care grant, the LGA is still saying there will be a £1.3
billion deficit next year. The Select Committee is
currently conducting an inquiry into social care. We will
be producing reports in due course, so it would be wrong of
me to prejudge the outcome, but I can say that we have had
evidence from the King’s Fund, the Nuffield Trust and the
Institute for Fiscal Studies, and all gave similar figures
about the current funding gap. They may disagree by a few
hundred thousand pounds, but essentially they all say there
is currently a gap in the money local authorities have
available for the provision of adult social care.
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Mr Betts
I will of course give way to a member of the Select
Committee.
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The Chair of the Select Committee spoke earlier about a
long-term solution for adult social care. He and I went to
Germany to look at the care system there, and we were both
impressed by how it had achieved cross-party consensus on a
future solution for adult social care. Would he advocate
our looking at this on a long-term, cross-party basis?
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Mr Betts
Absolutely. The system in Germany may not be one that we
could immediately transfer over here, but the people there
said to us that 20 years ago they sat down and dealt with
this on a cross-party basis and got cross-party agreement.
They are now having to put up their contribution rates, but
they are doing so with cross-party agreement and with
general public support because they have in place a system
that is standing the test of time. That is an example of
how to do it. Even if we end up coming up with a slightly
different solution, we should at least look at the method
they used to reach that agreement so that we can put in
place a system that stands the test of time. The hon.
Gentleman is absolutely right on that.
The Government have given local authorities the right to
increase the precept by 3% in the next financial year, and
I welcome the fact that most have chosen to do that. There
are problems with council tax—it is not the most
progressive of taxes and we could make some reforms to
improve it—but in the end, local authorities, faced with
the prospect of not having enough money to pay for their
elderly people, have explained to their council tax payers
why an increase is necessary, and have then taken the
difficult decision to do it. That is absolutely right, and
they should be congratulated on that.
Nevertheless, the £543 million that the LGA estimates is
going to be raised by the precept will just about cover the
cost of the increase to the minimum wage, or the national
living wage, as the Government call it. In other words, the
money has gone straight out the door in extra pay. It is
absolutely right that it goes to low-paid workers who in
most cases do a superb job—they are under great stress and
strain to deliver that care, so it is absolutely right that
they get more pay—but the reality is that the money raised
by the precept is not even going to sustain the current
level of social care, given the extra demands.
Let me just mention the cut in the new homes bonus.
Although I live in Sheffield, which is a unitary authority,
I do reflect on the issues facing two-tier authorities.
County councils, for example, are getting extra social care
grant, but the money is coming from the budgets of the
district councils and the cut in the new homes bonus. The
new homes bonus was not officially part of the four-year
settlement, but for the smaller district councils, which
had factored it into their future plans, it came as a
considerable financial shock to the system to have a whole
element of it removed, and it was a very difficult thing to
address at short notice. I have a lot of sympathy for
councillors and their officials in those small district
councils who are struggling as a result of this change, as
it creates the very uncertainty that the Government were
trying to remove with the creation of a four-year
settlement, and that is something on which we should all
reflect.
Let me reflect on one or two comments that have been made
by Amyas Morse, the Comptroller and Auditor General. I do
not know whether Members have read his article in which he
talks about social care, cuts in funding, and the NHS. He
calls it a lack of “joined-up thinking”. He talks about
central Government making decisions. It might be
appropriate for me to read the words that he uses. He says
that it is easy to allocate savings
“to be made by those operating outside a department’s
boundary or with a different mandate, without necessarily
understanding their effect.”
In other words, Government Departments are allocating
savings for someone else to make without understanding
their impact. It sounds horribly true when it is put like
that. He talks about central Government being slow to
adjust, often acting only when serious failure occurs.
It is a very interesting article, because Morse talks about
local councils initially responding to those cuts with
efficiency savings—I know that Government Members have
called for more efficiency savings from local councils.
Morse then goes on to say that that is okay at the
beginning, but, over time, while councils could initially
respond with “more for less”, we have now got to the point
where it is “less for less.” He says that
“during this progressive reduction in funding, I have not
seen any evidence-based effort to reconcile funding to
local needs. In my view, the policy objectives for local
government and the local government statutory duties have
not been properly weighted against potential efficiency
savings.”
He goes on to say that although local authorities have
tried to protect social care, there has, nevertheless, been
a 7% reduction in real terms, and that
“Besides the direct effect on care service users, this
reduction has a deleterious effect on the NHS... Costs are
effectively being shunted from one part of the connected
system to another.”
He is blaming not local councils for that but central
Government for having got it so badly wrong. He also
says—Government Members may not be always willing to accept
this—that areas with the greatest needs have lost the most.
That comes from an independent review from the Comptroller
and Auditor General.
The Comptroller and Auditor General goes on to say:
“Central savings may have been secured, but significant
damage has been done.”
Again, that is from a senior official looking at the public
accounts of this country. It is a damning indictment of
what has happened with regards to cuts to social care—I am
talking about the impact on users and the knock-on
consequences and damage to the NHS, including bed-blocking,
which is a horrible term that I do not like. Basically,
this is about elderly people who need to come out of their
bed in hospital and receive care in the community not
getting that care because it simply is not available. There
are also individuals who could, with earlier prevention,
have been prevented from going into hospital in the first
place, but that earlier prevention is not there either.
Finally, all my sympathy goes to the Secretary of State on
the issue of business rates. The revaluation is simply
about re-allocating the total payment to different
businesses. It reflects the changes in the prosperity of
different parts of the United Kingdom since the last
revaluation seven years ago: businesses in more prosperous
areas with greater growth will find that their rates go up,
while others will find that their rates go down. I
understand the point that has been made: this is not a way
of raising extra money but of reflecting the different
changes in prosperity in different parts of the United
Kingdom over the past few years.
I welcome what the Secretary of State has said about
looking again at how the money raised is balanced between,
say, a shop in the high street and a business on an
out-of-town retail park, or between a retail business that
sells directly to the public and an online business that
probably has far lower rates. It will be interesting to see
what the Government propose.
Although I disagree with many items in the funding
settlement, I say to the Secretary of State that if the
Select Committee can help to look at the issue of how
business rates reform could take place to reflect more
properly who should be paying what in the system, we will
be more than happy to work with him.
5.00 pm
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(Wells) (Con)
In Somerset, local government looks pretty small. In the
600 or so square miles of my constituency, there are six,
gusting seven bus routes, one of which is under threat at
the moment. There is one train station, and library opening
hours and bin collections have been reduced. There is a
limited number of small road improvement schemes and
absolutely no major road improvement schemes. There have
been cuts to drug advisory services and youth clubs and
there is less funding to support the elderly in their homes
and communities.
In return, there is a higher precept for flood protection
and adult social care, and higher council taxes. I make no
criticism of Somerset County Council, which froze council
tax for six years when household incomes were tightest,
helping families across the county. Furthermore, it was
saddled with the reckless debts of the Lib Dem
administration. None of that party’s Members can be
bothered to turn up for a debate today on local government
finance—presumably because they are too busy in the other
place turning their backs on democracy instead of standing
up here for the communities that they still pretend to
represent. That administration racked up debts of £350
million when it was running Somerset County Council. That
means that millions of pounds every year from the council’s
budget is spent on the interest of those Lib Dem debts.
All that is happening while petrol prices are rising in
rural areas—they are rising everywhere, but in rural areas
the impact on the cost of living is felt more quickly. For
my many constituents who live off the gas grid, heating oil
prices have gone up. My constituents pay the same as those
who live in cities for their mobile phone and broadband
contracts, yet get a fraction of the functionality and
connectivity. Their house prices and rents are well above
the national average yet their wages are well below it. It
seems so unfair that the solution the Government have come
up with for reducing local government funding, widening the
gap between urban and rural, is to increase the council tax
burden on those living in rural areas when their cost of
living is already, in so many cases, so much higher than
elsewhere.
Last year, the already unfair gap in funding between urban
and rural areas would have widened had it not been for the
last-minute intervention of the then Secretary of State,
who put in place an interim grant so that rural and urban
funding, although being cut, would be cut by the same
across the board. But that interim grant did nothing to
correct the trajectories of those cuts, so that this year
the gap between urban and rural widens by just as much as
it was always intended to do. That brings with it no
reflection of the cost of rurality or of an ageing
demographic and no reflection of our limited ability to
grow our economy, given the lack of connectivity and the
size of the working-age population as a proportion of the
population as a whole.
Somerset County Council and the district councils in our
area have now set their budgets for this year. Those
painful decisions have been taken, so it is really all too
late for this year. However, as my hon. Friend the Member
for North Dorset (Simon Hoare), who is no longer in his
place, said in this debate at this time last year, we have
to accept that public services in rural areas have not just
been cut to the bone; all the marrow has been sucked out as
well.
The disadvantage for rural areas cannot continue, so I
warmly welcome the announcement that the Secretary of State
has made at the Dispatch Box today. The review to which he
has committed is ambitious in scale and scope. This is not
about claiming that rural areas should be at an advantage
over urban ones; it is simply about making things fair,
which requires a full understanding of the cost of
delivering public services in rural areas and a formula
that allocates funds accordingly. That review is urgent. I
note that the Secretary of State said that it will be
completed ahead of the introduction of the full retention
of business rates for 2019-20, but we cannot leave it until
this debate in two years’ time to be clear about the result
of the review. Councils need to know the outcome of the
review by this debate next year—in January 2018—so that
they can know that the jam tomorrow that we have been
promising throughout these difficult four years means that
their retention of business rates will be baselined at x,
and they can start to plan accordingly. Certainty is all
they have left to ask for now that it is clear that there
ain’t gonna be any more money in the near future.
So, too, must the Government set a mechanism for the
ongoing review of the baselining of business rates when the
business rates retention has been introduced. I am sure
that the Secretary of State and his team will agree that
the potential for economic development will vary from
region to region, and from area to area. Considering that
the economic development team—if, indeed, one is left—in
many of the smaller and more hard-pressed county councils
is one person, the opportunities to grow the economy are
somewhat more limited. We must have an eye to the idea that
once we have baselined in 2019-20, some areas, through
their entrepreneurial guile, may be able to grow their
economies and their rates bases more quickly than others.
Therefore, there will be a requirement to reset from time
to time so that the deal remains equitable. Or—I am equally
happy with either solution—the Secretary of State could
direct that the growth deals allocated better reflect the
areas where skills, connectivity or workforce availability
are most difficult.
The south-west lags behind the rest of the country on
infrastructure spending, and we are well behind on
connectivity and on our skills base, yet when the growth
deals were announced recently, the deal for the Somerset
and Devon local enterprise partnership was particularly
poor. It would be great to see the growth deals reflecting
the areas where the economic development challenge is
greatest so that when it comes to this entrepreneurial idea
of the full retention of business rates, which I wholly
support, we will start with equality of opportunity because
we will have the connectivity, skills and infrastructure in
place.
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I am sure that my hon. Friend is aware that the industrial
strategy White Paper refers to having regard to per capita
spending throughout the country, rather than spending being
concentrated in London and other regions that are getting
the lion’s share at the moment.
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I absolutely agree. There is something very empowering and
very Conservative about giving councils the opportunity to
be masters of their own financial destiny, and giving them
the means by saying, “If you go out and attract business
into your area, the rewards are yours to keep and spend on
improved public services for your communities.” We just
have to be aware that when we get that going, we need to
have stacked the growth deals in favour of areas where the
challenge is greatest so authorities really can take things
into their own hands and grow their economies as keenly as
the areas that already benefit from better connectivity,
infrastructure and skills.
It is sad that the Chief Secretary to the Treasury and the
Chancellor have already left their seats because I was
going to make one other plea in order to alleviate
Somerset’s problems in the short term. The Government have
encouraged local authorities to do as they wish through
mechanisms such as the new homes bonus and the community
infrastructure levy. Not too long ago, there was an
aggregates levy designed so that the minerals and
aggregates that were extracted in certain areas would be
taxed. Some 10% of that was supposed to stay locally in
order to fund local betterment and mitigation, but it has
drifted off into the centre and is no longer benefiting
communities that suffer from hosting those industries. Why
does that matter to us in Somerset? Well, in Somerset the
Chancellor raises £24.7 million a year from the aggregates
levy, and the 10% that we have lost is worth £2.47 million.
That is an awful lot of bus routes, youth centres,
community support for the elderly, library hours, recycling
centres, bin collections, and everything else. As the
Government offer the community infrastructure levy to
communities that might find fracking appealing, and offer
the new homes bonus as an incentive for communities who
might want to host more housing, will the Chancellor let us
have back the 10% of the aggregates levy that was supposed
to have been the incentive for hosting quarrying?
In my constituency, we are doing an awful lot to facilitate
national infrastructure projects. In Cheddar valley, the
lorries going towards Hinkley Point now number more than
300 a day as it has gone on to 24-hours-a-day building. The
pylons that National Grid will soon need to build to
connect Hinkley into the national grid will roll through my
constituency very shortly. All that building work means
that all those quarry lorries are having an impact on our
roads, causing potholes and congestion. Yet we are getting
zero in mitigation while also getting a very poor deal on
local government finance.
Public services in Somerset are being squeezed right down,
but the adult social care requirements will continue to
grow and grow. We should not see libraries, bus services,
support groups and day centres as things that can simply be
cut in order to divert money towards adult social care.
That is a false economy. Those bus routes, day centres,
community support groups and libraries allow people to lead
independent lives, staying in their own homes independent
of the adult social care system. It is only when we make
them so isolated and so lonely that we end up needing to
spend more and more on adult social care.
Let us move as quickly as we can to carry out the review
that the Secretary of State has promised. It is very
welcome announcement for which I and, I am sure, many
colleagues are extremely grateful. I have every confidence
that that review will make a huge difference to rural
areas, perhaps in terms of the money that we get, but much
more importantly, in terms of our constituents’ perception
that the system is not stacked against them—that they get a
fair cut of the Government’s cash. I know that the
Secretary of State wants to be bold in the scope and scale
of the review that he embarks on, but I also urge him get
it done this year so that when we have this debate next
year we can offer our councils much more certainty on what
full business rate retention looks like and what the
advantage to them will be.
5.13 pm
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(St Helens South and
Whiston) (Lab)
I led St Helens Council for many years and was a councillor
there for 38 years, so I know a little bit about local
government. The council has a fixed grant settlement for
four years. It is also subject to the production of an
efficiency plan that is accepted by the Department for
Communities and Local Government. That would not always be
a great task, because it is an efficient council—it is well
run and manages its finances well. It has 10-year grant
reductions of £90 million by 2020—a reduction in grant
support of 75%, or £511 per person.
St Helens Council and St Helens clinical commissioning
group have a very strong joint working relationship.
Indeed, St Helens was awarded the first council partnership
scheme and it was the first to have a public-private
partnership. We have very strong working relationships, and
this has enabled jointly agreed priorities for the use of
the better care fund on social care and health. St Helens
is the leader on integrated adult social care and health.
It was with pride that I asked a former Health Minister to
visit Whiston hospital. It was the current Under-Secretary
of State for Health, the hon. Member for Warrington South
(David Mowat) who undertook the visit and he was amazed by
what he saw there. The work it does is unbelievable. In
fact, St Helens and Knowsley Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust
has just won the out-of-hospital tender for providing
district nursing, community matrons, treatment rooms, adult
continence services and outreach and reablement teams. That
will lead to even more integration, with the hospital out
in the community.
The commissioning process has begun for telemedicine in
care homes. There will be 30 pilot telemedicine units in
care homes so that the elderly will not need to go to
A&E. They will have 24/7 access to a senior nurse who
will be able to help them in the care home. Many older
people who turn up at A&E are from residential and care
homes that do not provide nursing care. If they are taken
seriously ill during the night, they have to be admitted to
A&E. The pilot will cut those numbers.
A falls response car was piloted in December and it worked
over the Christmas and new year period. It meant that 40%
fewer elderly people who had had a fall went to A&E.
Patients were able to access services more rapidly,
including a handyman service, occupational therapy
equipment and clinical nurse support within two hours. They
were in their own homes and they stayed there. Integrated
access to social care is superb—there is no doubt about it.
People who are not fit to stay at home but not bad enough
to go to hospital can go to a centre for few days, perhaps
when their family are away.
St Helens Council, the clinical commissioning group and the
hospital work really well together, but that is not the
only answer. Whiston hospital is still short of beds and we
still do not have enough money for social care, even though
we will get just under £1 million from the cut to the new
homes bonus. That is useful, but it is not the answer to
everything. We continue to work together.
Local government is the most efficient part of government,
and it is unfair that it has to bear the hardest burden.
Despite everything that is thrown at it, it is resilient
and has a committed workforce. The way in which they are
abused is shameful.
Even given all the joint working and integrated care,
elderly people are still languishing in Whiston hospital.
Some people have to go to hospital in the end, because they
are really poorly. Some are waiting to go to a residential
or care home, whose staff sometimes have to assess up to
five people for one place. It is inevitable that they will
choose the least complex case, because, as my hon. Friend
the Member for Sheffield South East (Mr Betts) has touched
on, the most complex cases require a lot more staff. Yes,
we want the living wage, but the homes are not receiving
money and they do not have the staff, so the most complex
cases are left languishing in bed.
Some years ago, we surveyed our elderly people—anybody over
the age of 55—asking them whether they wanted to spend
their old age in a residential setting or stay at home.
Every single one who lived in a residential home said that
they wanted to stay there. They did not want to go home
because they were settled, but they did not have the
support they needed. We set up a successful programme to
fund the residential homes to provide care. Sadly, we now
have dozens of homes because we are all living much longer,
with much more complex needs, so the funding problem is not
going to go away. Each one of us can look forward to a much
longer life, but we will have complex needs. Let us make
sure that the necessary services are available.
The county works well together to provide efficient care
and other services, but every single service is being cut.
It was a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Wells
(James Heappey), who seemed to have been listening to what
is going on in my area. We proudly built those services.
All local governments are proud of the services that they
have built. Those services are not there for frivolous
reasons; they are there because the public want and
appreciate them, but every single one of them is being
looked at.
I am sorry to say that every care package will be
revisited, because the funding will not be available. The
director of social care in Liverpool, a neighbouring
Merseyside authority, is resigning because the funds are
simply not available to deliver services. Every single
director in the area is saying that we are, sadly, coming
to a time when all we will be doing is feeding people,
getting them out of bed, washing and toileting. That is not
what our elderly people deserve. They deserve dignity and
care. They have given much to society, and our society
should be looking after them.
I have listened carefully to the Secretary of State, and I
plead with him to do his best. I think that he is
listening. We need to keep people happy, because if they
are happy, they will stay healthy for longer. We need to
keep children happy, but youth services are going. It is a
crying shame that facilities such as refuse collections,
park rangers and golf courses are going. We tell people
that they need to stay happy, energetic and healthy, but
all the services that have been provided are going.
5.21 pm
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(St Ives) (Con)
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for St Helens
South and Whiston (Marie Rimmer). I echo the praise from my
right hon. Friend the Member for Broxtowe (Anna Soubry) for
councillors and the amazing work that they do. I
particularly want to pay credit to the parish councillors
who are working so hard to cover the gaps left by Cornwall
Council, in my neck of the woods, as it retreats from
delivering services in our rural areas. The parish
councillors are doing jobs that they never expected to be
doing, but they are doing fantastically. We need to do what
we can do to support them.
I am really looking forward to the review of funding
allocation for local government, but I want to refer
particularly to the Council of the Isles of Scilly and the
pressure that it is under. I am privileged, as a Member of
Parliament, to represent a constituency with off islands.
The Isles of Scilly had their own unitary authority long
before everyone else followed suit. The islands are home to
2,200 people and are an incredible and unique environment.
The council is a stand-alone, single-tier unitary
authority. Unlike other local authorities, it has no means
of devolving powers to local parishes. The council’s
responsibilities are extensive. I am visiting the islands
this Friday and Saturday, and it is no exaggeration to say
that almost everything I see, touch or use while I am there
will be the council’s responsibility. It is in charge of
public safety; it operates the airport on St Mary’s; it
runs Park House care home, which is the only residential
care home on the islands; and it maintains the islands’
swimming pool and other leisure facilities. It is the only
local authority in England and Wales that also acts as a
water authority, providing water to some 1,070 homes on St
Mary’s and Bryher, as well as the sewerage infrastructure
across St Mary’s. That is a huge undertaking, and the
council is the first in England and Wales to do so.
Unfortunately, the fact that it owns next to no public
assets that can be used to raise council revenue makes
fulfilling those responsibilities more difficult. In fact,
most of the land on the islands is owned by the duchy, so
house building is a particular challenge.
In the local government financial settlement, the Isles of
Scilly’s proposed allocation fails to take into account
fully the uniqueness of this unitary authority. The
provisional new homes bonus has been reduced by £22,200.
The new adult social care support grant allocation is only
£12,700—a reduction of nearly £10,000. The proposed
improved better care fund allocation is zero. In the light
of the fact that residents on Scilly have high needs but a
very low council tax base, this funding decision does not
appear to be fair or to recognise the specific needs of
this remote island community.
The allocation for the rural services delivery grant is
still zero, despite the assurances given by civil servants
in 2016—the Secretary of State will be pleased to know that
this was before his time—that they would look closely at
that issue. There is no more rural an area than the Isles
of Scilly, yet it gets no rural services delivery grant
whatever.
During my visit to Scilly this weekend, I will discuss the
challenges it faces in transport, adult social care,
housing and marine safety. Ever since I was elected in
2015, I have been working with the council and
Ministers—they have been keen to help and support us—to
ease some of the pressures, particularly the pressure on
council finances. This task has been made more difficult by
the fact that the current funding allocation does not
reflect the specific challenges and costs faced by Scilly.
Right now, there is a real risk to the social and leisure
amenities on the islands, and there are fears—I have had a
number of emails about them just this week—that the care
home will no longer be able to stay open. That is partly to
do with funds, but it is also to do with the difficulties
of attracting the staff needed, because of a lack of
housing and an inability to build more housing.
Members of the Council of the Isles of Scilly are of course
working hard to identify how to save money and become much
leaner. Over the years, the council has worked extremely
hard to become much leaner and more efficient, and it has
probably become as lean as it possibly can, yet the
pressure is on for it to make further savings, remain
viable and ensure that it delivers a sustainable future for
the islands. As such, the current funding proposal places
increased pressure on a small council with huge
responsibilities, threatens essential public services and
leaves an undeniable need for reconsideration. As I say, a
review of council funding is certainly needed for the Isles
of Scilly.
I want to move on to the mainland part of my constituency
and to business rates. The truth is that many businesses in
Cornwall are small, and many in my constituency are being
taken out of business rates altogether. That is hugely
welcome, and the Government have achieved a fantastic piece
of work. However, I have the rather peculiar situation that
independent stores in the town of St Ives, which accounts
for only about 8,000 people out my whole constituency, will
have business rates increases sometimes of 62% or even of
well over 100% this April. In fact, across the independent
businesses in the town of St Ives, the average increase is
24%, which is particularly difficult.
I listened to the Chief Secretary to the Treasury talk
about the prosperity of St Ives on Radio 4 at the weekend,
but the reality is that while big businesses there
certainly are prosperous—they can cope with difficult
times, particularly during the winter months when there is
just nobody around—independent businesses, which rely on
doing their business for a few months in the summer, are
required to pay business rates all year round however
successful or unsuccessful they are.
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(Tiverton and Honiton)
(Con)
There are definitely winners and losers from the business
rates review, but many farm tourism businesses—farm
cottages, riding stables and others—are being given a much
greater value and their rates are going up 60%, 70% or 80%.
That is just too much for those businesses, and we need the
Government to help them in some way.
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I welcome that intervention, and that is absolutely the
case.
In total, 32 independent businesses have contacted me just
from the town of St Ives alone. One business will see its
business rate rise from £2,000 to £3,000 a week, but this
small high street business already faces considerable
charges from operating in that town. Some businesses are
saying that there is no way that they will remain viable or
can continue.
I want to raise something that would never have been the
intention of a Conservative Government. In Penzance, all
the supermarkets will see a drop in business rates of about
15%, but business rates for high street businesses are
going up by 10%. I cannot believe that that was ever the
intention of a Conservative Government, and I very much
want that unintended consequence of the review to be
reversed. I think that I have said all I need to say.
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My hon. Friend is wrapping up, but may I say that he speaks
with great passion and knowledge on behalf of Cornwall, as
do all his Conservative colleagues? Does he share my
suspicion that the appearance of a Liberal Democrat in the
Chamber reflects the significant anger in Cornwall that no
Lib Dem could find the time to be for the first hour and a
half of the debate?
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Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle)
Order. I do not think we will go down that path.
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I welcome that intervention. My hon. Friend the Member for
St Austell and Newquay (Steve Double) often refers to the
fact that the Liberal Democrats talked about fairer funding
for many years, but that it is only since 2015, when
Cornwall elected all Conservative MPs, that we have really
seen progress.
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(North Norfolk)
(LD)
The temptation was too great.
Does the hon. Gentleman share my concern that between now
and 2020 predominantly rural areas, including Cornwall and
rural Norfolk, will lose out and that the proportion of
total spend from council taxpayers in rural areas is
significantly greater than that in urban areas? This is
happening under a Conservative Government. Is he concerned,
as I am, about the impact on rural areas?
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I welcome that intervention, if only to say that that has
been covered in the previous two and a half hours of
debate.
If we were able to achieve fairer funding for schools,
police and health and fairer support for local government,
and for that to be in permanent legislation, that would be
a significant result that south-west MPs could celebrate.
For many, many years that was unobtainable.
I will bring my speech to an end by asking the Minister to
look at the Isles of Scilly immediately. The pressures are
there now and we need to do what we can to help. It is not
right that older people face having to move off the islands
to receive residential care. Please look at the situation
in St Ives and Penzance, where supermarkets seem to be
benefiting from the new arrangement. High street shops are
the backbone of our local economy. They drive our economy
across Cornwall, yet they seem to be the unintended
victims.
5.31 pm
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(Bradford East)
(Lab)
I refer the House to my entry in the Register of Members’
Financial Interests. I also serve as a local councillor on
Bradford Council. Mr Deputy Speaker kindly added my name to
the list of speakers. I promised him that I would be as
brief as possible.
I will confine my comments to the revenue support grant, to
which an hon. Friend alluded earlier. I am disappointed
that the Secretary of State did not come to the House with
any real proposals, even after the consultation, to
increase funding for struggling councils. Before I come on
to that, however, I want to comment on two or three points
that were raised by the Secretary of State and others.
On business rates, I think that Members on both sides of
the House welcome the review. It cannot be right for high
street shops to be paying more than some other businesses,
so I look forward to that review. I hope that it
incorporates factors such as the deprivation that affect
the poorest communities.
On social care, the precept in councils with some of the
most deprived communities will not go towards addressing
the gap in social care funding. Sadly, I have heard nothing
today to convince me that the Government have got the
social care crisis under control. Some Members have said it
is not a crisis, but it is.
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(Wirral West)
(Lab)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right to raise the cuts to
social care, given that 1.2 million elderly people are
living without the care they need. In addition, since 2010,
450 libraries, 380 Sure Start centres and more than 600
youth centres have closed. Does he share my concern that
the cuts to local authorities are undermining the very
fabric of our society?
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My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and I will come on to
that later in relation to my own local authority, where the
cuts are having a devastating impact.
The Secretary of State talked about the fair funding
formula, as have many other hon. Members. I accept that, as
some Members have rightly said, the needs of rural and
urban areas need to be looked at. He rightly said that this
was multidimensional and that the fair funding formula had
to take account of all aspects. I must say, however, that
the distribution of cuts so far—nine of the 10
most-deprived councils in the country have received above
average cuts—has not been fair. For the formula to be fair,
its administration must be directly opposite to the wholly
unfair manner in which the local government cuts have been
administered, given that some of the poorest councils with
the highest deprivation have felt the harshest end of the
cuts.
On the revenue support grant, I am a little disappointed.
Pleas were made by many councils across the country. I
welcome the fact that the Secretary of State has been
proactive and gone out to meet councils and council
leaders, but part of that is actually to listen to the
serious concerns of local authorities and come back.
According to figures for this year, the grant to my local
authority is down by 25%—the percentage is much higher
compared with 2010. We are down to the bone in Bradford
Council. Tomorrow, the council will hold a budget meeting
at which councillors from all sides will have to make some
tough decisions. Of course, some services absolutely need
protecting, but many others, including libraries, youth
facilities, social care and other important services, will
be up for discussion, and perhaps the level of service that
should be provided will not be provided in the future.
I again urge the Secretary of State to listen to the pleas
and visit the leader of Bradford Council to discuss the
matter. He still has time, alongside his other reviews, to
reconsider the equitable nature of the allocation and to
look again at those authorities that are in serious
trouble. The stark reality is that a good percentage of
local authorities up and down this country might not make
it as far as 2020 because the funding available for the
services they provide will not be adequate. I ask him to
look at that again.
5.38 pm
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(Bromley and
Chislehurst) (Con)
I start by welcoming the Secretary of State’s statement,
which was constructive both in content and tone, and I am
personally grateful to him for the assurance he gave me
earlier following my intervention regarding his willingness
to work with my London Borough of Bromley on a pilot for
business rates retention. Bromley is ambitious to grow its
business base and has the scope, the ability and the
connections into central London, as he probably well knows,
to do so. So we will be pleased to work with the Government
on that.
I also support the philosophy that underpinned the
statement—the continuation of the move towards four-year
planning, as longer term planning for local authorities is
desirable, and the completion of the move towards 100%
business rates retention. When I was at DCLG, the then
Secretary of State, my right hon. Friend the Member for
Brentwood and Ongar (Sir Eric Pickles) and I were able to
make a start on that with the Local Government Finance Act
2012, and I am delighted to see my successor, the
Under-Secretary of State for Communities and Local
Government, my hon. Friend the Member for Nuneaton (Mr
Jones), in his place and taking through the final bit of
that legislation now. It is an important devolutionary
step, which I welcome. I hope it will not be the end of
devolutionary steps for local government finance.
As we look at devolution deals, it is important to
recognise the strong argument for more and more local
authorities to become dependent on raising their own
resources rather than central Government grant. Compared
with many of our competitor countries, we have a narrow
suite of revenue-raising powers for local government. We
should perhaps think further about whether other taxes
could be localised in a cost-neutral way. Obvious examples
include stamp duty land tax and so on. That is further down
the track, but it is important to be prepared to look
seriously at that option.
I am sure that the Secretary of State will be aware of the
work of the London Finance Commission—I declare my interest
as a member of it—which is a cross-party commission
established by the Mayor of London, following on from the
previous London Finance Commission established by my right
hon. Friend the Member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip
(Boris Johnson) when he was the Mayor of London. Sensible
suggestions have been put forward to build on the devolving
approach that Ministers are currently developing. That is
desirable.
Given the financial constraints that the Government have
inherited, the settlement itself is sensible, and I
particularly welcome the way in which a number of grants
will be rolled into business rate retention, which makes
for a more sensible and appropriate approach. I am glad,
too, that following representations made by local
government, the devolution of attendance allowance funding
will not happen. Authorities such as mine have a growing
elderly population. In fact, Bromley has the highest
population of pensioners in London—I have not quite tipped
over yet, but I sometimes regard it as forward planning—and
such pressures are important.
I welcome the commitment to doing more work to join up
health spending and adult social care. I hope that the
Secretary of State will talk repeatedly with his colleague,
my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Health,
about implementation. All too often, I have found, in my
own area and from contacts elsewhere in local government,
that it is not working on the ground as one would wish. The
better care fund was a good initiative, and the principle
is right, but these services are not being joined up in the
way they should. Unfortunately, I have to say that that is
all too often not for want of willingness on the part of
local authorities of any complexion. The very ‘silo’ and
hierarchical nature of how the health service and health
economy work means, I am afraid, that there is a
considerable lack of willingness to engage on that side of
the equation—and it takes two to tango.
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Does my hon. Friend agree that, just as there is a duty to
co-operate between local authorities in planning, it would
be helpful if there were a duty to co-operate between our
social service providers at local government level and
clinical commissioning groups? That would be enormously
helpful in bridging the gap.
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That is an immensely helpful and constructive suggestion. I
honestly hope that the Minister will take that idea away
and raise it with ministerial colleagues. Unfortunately,
our experience is—certainly it was my experience when I was
a member of the North East London Strategic Health
Authority before I entered this place—that the health
economy and health system always look up, towards the
Department, and tend not to look out towards the community
of which they are part. They do not have the culture of
engagement and joint working that local authorities have
developed over many years. To achieve that, we need
pressure—serious political pressure—from the top that must
be listened to. This should be viewed as a further part of
the work that needs to be taken forward.
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(Bury St Edmunds)
(Con)
Does my hon. Friend also agree that part of the whole
picture is the ability of local government to help to
finance the infrastructure that will allow joined-up
working between the health service and local communities?
If the two sides cannot talk to each other through the
connectivity of their platforms, people cannot be cared for
in the way that we need to them to be.
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That is absolutely true. The connectivity is important, and
the culture is important as well. Many of us have come
across very good medical people on CCGs who, given the
nature of what they signed up to do, are not keen to be
managers and budget-holders, which people in local
government are well used to being. In many instances, the
local authority is willing to engage, but the CCG, with the
best will in the world, does not have as great a capacity
in terms of its infrastructure and management systems.
Those could easily be hosted by the local authority, and
the two bodies could work on a collaborative basis, but
because of the silo, bottom-up culture in the health
service, the CCG is unwilling to engage. What is needed is
a political steer from the Department of Health.
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I totally agree with the hon. Gentleman about the
difference between the culture in the NHS and the culture
in local government. Does he share my view that we should
aim for unified health and care commissioning in a
locality, with democratic accountability through the local
authority, rather than the ridiculous silo approach that
exists at present?
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The right hon. Gentleman is right. He and I both
experienced that approach when we were Ministers in the
same Government. What he has suggested is precisely the
objective that we should work towards, but we need a steer
from the top.
Let me make two more brief points. The first is about the
fair funding review, which I also welcome, but it will be
necessary to be bold and comprehensive. When I was a local
government Minister, we had to go through about 275 bits of
regression analysis to establish the formula, but we had
knocked it down from about 400. Such material is not
comprehensible; it is extremely opaque, and it produces
consequences that are often difficult to reconcile with
what any of us in local government see on the ground.
May I make a plea for one particular factor to be taken
into account? I understand that, inevitably, there will be
a “needs versus resource” matrix, but thus far it has
proved almost impossible to build into the system a proper
weighting for historically efficient authorities. A local
authority that has historically been efficient and run its
services well at low cost receives no credit for that. If
anything, such authorities tend to be penalised. Bromley,
for example, is a comparatively low council tax authority,
the second lowest in outer London, but it is also the
lowest in terms of the cost per head—the unit costs—of its
service delivery. The system has never taken account of
that, and we ought to incentivise it within the system.
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My hon. Friend said earlier that his local authority area
contained the highest percentage of the London population.
Bromley’s total spending power is £795 a head, whereas
Camden’s is £1,171 a head. How can that be right?
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The simple truth is that it cannot, although we have broken
down some of the artificial barriers. The idea that there
is a major distinction between costs in inner and outer
London has gone. Many of the outer London boroughs now have
much more in common with the inner London boroughs,
socially and economically, than used to be the case.
My second point is about the business rates. I welcome what
has been said about the review, and especially what has
been said about transitional reliefs. I think that the
Secretary of State has hit upon the key issue of businesses
in high-cost areas such as mine. May I suggest that he
consider putting the multiplier on to the consumer prices
index rather than the retail prices index? That would be
more logical. In the long term, we need to think about how
we can capture businesses that do not have a large physical
footfall, such as online competitors. We need to deal with
the issue of out-of-town supermarkets being treated much
more favourably than shops because of the way in which land
values come into the equation. When it comes to
transitional relief, perhaps we could move from the current
sledging to something akin to the sliding scale that we
apply to stamp duty land tax.
I hope that those are constructive suggestions that can be
implemented in the future.
5.49 pm
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(St Austell and Newquay)
(Con)
I am delighted to contribute to this important debate. I
welcome the presence of the single representative of the
Liberal Democrats, the right hon. Member for North Norfolk
(Norman Lamb); they were late to the party today, but it is
very good to have them here eventually. They tell us so
often in Cornwall how important they think local government
is, but that has not been reflected in today’s debate,
sadly.
Local government is on the frontline of delivering services
to our residents. I know that from my time as a Cornwall
councillor and from the sheer weight of correspondence I
get in my office about things that are actually delivered
by our local council, whether it is picking up the dog
mess, cutting the grass and filling the potholes or more
important issues such as adult social care. We must value
local government, therefore, and see it as a central part
of delivering services.
It is also clearly right that local government is going
through a period of dramatic reform. We need to bring it
into the modern age, drive out the inefficiencies and the
waste so often found in local government, and make sure
that it is fit for purpose and as well-run as possible.
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I really appreciate the welcome the hon. Gentleman gave me.
Does he agree with the Rural Services Network, which
believes that the impact of the changes for predominantly
rural councils, compared with urban councils, is
“not only discriminatory, but also unsustainable for rural
local authorities”?
That will have a particularly pernicious effect in counties
such as Cornwall and my county of Norfolk.
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The right hon. Gentleman might have been reading the notes
of my speech, because that will be my main point.
We undoubtedly need to reform local government, and I
broadly welcome the changes the Department are introducing
to the way local government is financed, making it much
more directly accountable for raising and spending its own
finance and far less dependent on central Government. I
also welcome the renewed interest in the Rural Fair Share
campaign to address the imbalance that has existed for far
too long between the levels of funding received by rural
councils as opposed to predominantly urban councils.
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rose—
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I will not take any further interventions, as time is
short.
Local government spending still accounts for a large
proportion of central Government spending, and it is
understandable that we have had to make savings and cuts
while we have been dealing with the legacy of the huge and
record deficit we inherited from the previous Labour
Government. We have had to find those savings across
government, including local government. That is the context
in which we must see the current situation.
However, I welcome the Minister’s confirmation that a fair
funding formula for rural councils, based on the cost of
delivery and need, will be brought forward. My concern is
about the timing of bringing the review forward. I remember
standing on this very spot in last year’s debate, and at
the last minute the then Secretary of State provided some
transitional funding to ease the huge cuts that rural
councils faced, to make sure that the funding gap between
rural and urban councils was not further extended.
On that basis, I supported the Government position last
year, with the promise that this would be looked at. It is
disappointing that we are here again 12 months later and so
little progress has been made in addressing the issue. I
welcome the fact that some transitional funding is still
available for this year, but that will run out next year
and there will be no cushion to ease the impact on the
rural councils and the widening of that gap.
We must urgently bring forward this review and address this
issue. As I said to the Secretary of State in an
intervention earlier, if we do not deal with it now, the
unfairness and the lack of funding for rural councils will
be baked into the system when we go to 100% retention of
business rates. So it is important that the review is
brought forward. We can no longer live with what we in
Cornwall would call a “dreckly” approach. For the
uneducated, that describes something that will happen at
some undetermined point in the future. It is a bit like
mañana, but not quite so urgent. It feels as though that is
the approach that has been taken with the fair funding
review, but we need to get on with it. We need to stop
talking about it and actually deliver this for our rural
councils as a matter of urgency.
I am happy to say that, based on the fact that last year’s
funding agreement was a four-year agreement and the fact
that the majority of councils have now set their council
tax, I will support the motion and the Government’s
position tonight. I will do so with a heavy heart, because
I am disappointed at the lack of progress that has been
made, but I take the Minister and the Secretary of State at
their word when they say that these issues will be
addressed. I will continue to make this case as strongly as
I possibly can and to work with colleagues to ensure that
the unfairness that has existed for far too long is
addressed so that our rural councils will be much more
fairly funded in the future.
5.55 pm
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(Thirsk and Malton)
(Con)
It is an honour to follow my hon. Friend the Member for St
Austell and Newquay (Steve Double). I shall keep my
comments very brief, because I have been told to do so by
the Whips and by Mr Deputy Speaker when he was in the Chair
earlier. My comments are simple ones. I understand that the
Secretary of State has a lot on his plate at the moment,
but he is sitting on a golden opportunity—a
once-in-a-parliamentary-generation opportunity, perhaps—to
fix two fundamental problems in the system. The first
relates to fairness in the rating system. The second
involves fairer funding for local authorities. In relation
to rates, I must refer Members to my declaration in the
Register of Members’ Financial Interests, in that we have
quite a lot of shops around the UK that are subject to the
rating system. I believe that a fairer system would be a
sales tax. It would disadvantage my network, but it would
nevertheless be much fairer.
My principal comments relate to fairer funding for local
authorities. I have heard many comments from Members across
the House about how this issue affects rural areas in
comparison with metropolitan areas. The shadow Minister,
the hon. Member for Harrow West (Mr Thomas), knows what I
am going to say about this. The biggest iniquity by far is
the way in which London is treated in comparison with the
rest of the country. That is the reality. I am grateful to
Leicestershire County Council for producing a report, which
I urge Members to download, in which it has collapsed all
district and county councils into one, pooled their
resources and divided the sum by the number of people in
those areas to give the spending power per local authority.
The reality is that nine of the 10 local authorities with
the highest spending power are in London, yet nine of the
10 authorities with the lowest council tax are also in
London. That is simply unfair. It would be perfectly
appropriate as long as the need drivers were taken into
account. Let us take Harrow as an example plucked out of
thin air. Harrow has £80 a year more spending power than
North Yorkshire, yet it has a richer and younger
population. How can that be right? [Interruption.] That
cannot be the explanation, surely.
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Will my hon. Friend give way?
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I have been told not to take any interventions, but I will
give way to my hon. Friend very briefly.
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Would my hon. Friend concur, having looked through those
figures, that rural areas also have poorer education
funding, poorer police funding and poorer health spending,
and that we therefore get hit on all sides?
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That is the central point of my remarks.
In 2016-17, 13 London boroughs either froze or lowered
their council tax. That is not possible in areas such as
North Yorkshire. To show that I am not just plugging rural
areas, let us look at the lowest spending local
authorities. We have York with £615 per head, Trafford with
£639, Kirklees with £673 and Leeds with £696, and yet we
have Westminster with £1,100 a head and Kensington and
Chelsea with £1,168 a head. This simply cannot be right.
This is happening, as my hon. Friend the Member for Bromley
and Chislehurst (Robert Neill) said, because the system is
based on what happened before. Einstein once said:
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we
used when we created them.”
We created the problems and we need new thinking. The
simple solution must be to use cost drivers. Cost drivers
can be only two things: need and the cost of delivery. It
is as simple as that. The simpler the formula that we use
and the more understandable it is, the more we will all buy
into the system.
The fair funding review commissioned by the Secretary of
State is critical. I support that method, but we need a
blank canvas and a new approach to the problem. The clear
opportunity is that more money is going into the system.
Whatever the Opposition may say, between £11 billion and
£13 billion will be going into the system by 2020 because
of the retention of business rates, and there must be a
quid pro quo for that. Ultimately, more money is going into
the system, and it is said that a rising tide will lift all
boats. It is difficult to rebalance a system when no new
money is going in, but more money is going in. Spending
rounds are clearly tight, and the Secretary of State will
have to be careful about where that money goes to ensure
that he gets bang for his buck, but this is an opportunity.
However long it takes—be it five or 10 years—if we set off
on the right path, we can turn a system that is
fundamentally unfair into one that is fair and equitable,
and that delivers fair resources to my local authorities
and to those in the rest of the country, including London.
6.01 pm
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(Oldham West and Royton)
(Lab)
If I may be so bold, may I say that it is a pleasure to
speak with you in the Chair, Mr Speaker? Long may that
continue. We have had an interesting debate, with many
representations from Members on both sides of the House
about the chronic state of local authority funding. There
has also been some reflection on the fact that little has
moved on since the provisional statement to provide
councils with the funding they need to provide the services
that our communities rely on. What is the point of having a
consultation if responses from hundreds of local
authorities, the LGA and third sector organisations, and
representations made here by Members of Parliament, lead to
no new money? We talked about the crisis in adult social
care, but there is no new money. We talked about the loss
of libraries, youth centres and day care centres, but there
is no new money. We talked about the pressures on local
authorities, which are wondering whether they can make ends
meet, but there is no new money.
The Local Government Finance Bill Committee sat for 10
sittings, and I am sure that the Minister will share my
delight in all that we gleaned from them. It was an
education, but unfortunately it was the worst of educations
because we learned very little. We talked a lot, we were
slightly disruptive at some points, and there was a bit of
chatter in the background from the naughty classmates
towards the back, but little new information was shared to
aid our education and understanding along this financial
journey. Where is the money?
Before coming in today, I thought that I should be a bit
more charitable. The Minister had quite a hard time in
Committee. I found the Committee enjoyable, but I suspect
he did not. I also had a perhaps uncharitable view of the
Secretary of State. I felt that he did not really enjoy his
position in the DCLG team. He came out in a different way
today when he talked about business, because that is where
his heart really is. He clearly cares about business and
enterprise, and when discussing that element of the
pressures of business rates he was convincing in his desire
to do something about it. He was less convincing when we
talked about adult social care, when we talked about the
1.2 million people who need support in their homes and just
do not get it, and when we talked about people who are
stuck in hospital and desperate to get back home but cannot
because the support is not there when they need it. That is
the crux of the issue. We have a Secretary of State who
does not want to do the job that he has been given: it is
temporary; he is just passing through; he is waiting for
the better opportunities that lie ahead. Unfortunately,
there is a cost to the temporary nature of his attitude,
and the Minister has to deal with that.
When we hear further details of the financial settlement,
we hope that there will be new money. I suspect the new
money will not be focused on adult social care in the way
we hope. It is far more likely that it will be used to
offset the business rates revaluation that has sent a
shockwave through the business system. Let us be honest:
the business rates scheme, as it stands, is not fit for
purpose. There is absolutely a need for a property-based
tax, and we know how to collect it—if people do not pay, we
knock on their door—but it has its limitations. We can go
only so far with it, just as we can go only so far with
council tax. A 25% increase on council tax to spend even
more at local level to fund social care is just not
sustainable.
If we do not grapple with the situation and find a
different way to fund social care and health, we will
continue to have this debate every month and every year.
Every time we have the debate, more and more people will be
let down. I believe in a decent society, and our older
people deserve better than contributing all their life,
working hard and making that change for the generations to
come only to be let down when they need it most.
I have a number of hopes. First, I hope that the fair
funding settlement and equation will be quick and delayed
no more than they have to be. I hope that businesses are
supported through the transitional phase in the way they
should be. I hope that older people are supported, as a
matter of urgency, to live longer, healthier lives in their
own homes. That will require additional funding—not just
the sweet talk that Surrey County Council’s leader had from
the Secretary of State, but meaningful additional money
where it is needed.
More than that, because I believe that every person should
fulfil their potential, I hope—for the DCLG team, for this
country and not least for himself—that the Secretary of
State finds a job he wants quite soon.
6.06 pm
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The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Communities
and Local Government (Mr Marcus Jones)
I thank hon. Members for their contributions to this
debate, which it is my pleasure to close. The settlement
comes at an important time of reform for local government
finance. It provides a sustainable path to the reforms that
will be introduced by the end of this Parliament, through
which 100% of business rates will be devolved to local
government, giving councils control of an additional £12.5
billion to spend on local services.
The reforms are being made through the Local Government
Finance Bill, which was introduced to the House last month.
The Bill will enshrine in law our commitment to provide
funding certainty by establishing a legal framework for
multi-year settlements, which is a key feature of this
settlement and something that has been called for by local
government for decades. By putting the framework in place
now, we can continue to work with local government over the
coming months on the detail of the reforms, much of which
will be set out in secondary legislation. Many local
authorities welcome that approach.
Thanks to this Government’s action, 600,000 businesses are
being lifted out of business rates altogether. A
revaluation is overdue, and most businesses—three quarters
of them, in fact—will end up paying either the same or
reduced rates. Although three quarters of businesses will
benefit or see no change, I am all too aware of the impact
on the quarter that will see their bills rise. We are
looking closely at what can be done to help the hardest
hit.
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(Rugby) (Con)
Does the Minister agree that, if we are to have a system of
taxation based on property valuation, it is important that
we arrange for regular revaluation?
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Mr Jones
As ever, my hon. Friend makes an important point, which is
generally due to his experience of running a business. The
Government have made it clear that we want to move to a
system of more regular revaluation.
As my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State announced
earlier, he is working closely with the Chancellor to
determine how best to provide further support to businesses
that are facing the steepest increases as a result of the
revaluation. We expect to be in a position to make an
announcement at the time of the Budget, just two weeks from
now.
One hundred per cent. business rate retention is being
piloted from next year. It will mean that participating
authorities will be able to keep more of the growth in
their business rates income, with no impact on the rest of
local government. As we have said, in 2018-19 we plan to
undertake further pilots in areas without devolution deals,
including two-tier council areas. The nationwide roll-out
of 100% business rate retention will take place throughout
England in 2019-20. Earlier this month, my Department
published a consultation to seek views on exactly how the
system should look. I look forward to discussing the matter
further with colleagues from both sides of the House in the
coming weeks.
While we rightly look forward to the longer-term reform
that will make local authorities financially
self-sufficient and provide greater incentives for growth,
the settlement we will vote on today reaffirms our
commitment to funding certainty for local government. The
2015 spending review delivered a £200 billion flat cash
settlement for local government, and last year we delivered
four-year funding allocations, which provide the financial
certainty required for councils to be bold and ambitious.
The settlement is the second year of a four-year offer that
was debated in this House a year ago and that has been
accepted by 97% of local authorities.
The settlement before us delivers on our promise and
provides councils with the resources required to deliver
world-class public services in the year ahead while
continuing to play their part in bearing down on the
deficit. We have consulted carefully, and I am grateful to
hon. Members for bringing their constituents’ views to us
during the consultation.
As we have heard, adult social care, which is an issue
close to all our hearts, transcends party politics. I take
seriously the representations made today, and I take
seriously the need to ensure greater respect, dignity and
independence for people who receive care. In the spending
review, we put in place up to £3.5 billion of additional
funding for adult social care by 2019-20, but we recognise
that the coming year is the most difficult in the
settlement period for many councils.
There are immediate challenges in the provision of care
that must be met now, before the substantial additional
resources become available, which is why we have created a
new £240 million adult social care support grant and are
allowing councils to raise the adult social care precept by
3% next year and the year after. Together, the measures
make available almost £900 million of additional funding
for adult social care over the next two years, so the total
dedicated funding available for adult social care over the
four-year settlement period is £7.6 billion.
As we look to the future, local government spending will be
based on local resources, not central grant, so we are
devising a new funding formula for local government that is
fit for purpose. Earlier, the Secretary of State
acknowledged the many representations that have been made,
including by many colleagues here today, about how
demographic pressures, such as the growth in the elderly
population, have directly affected different areas in
different ways as the cost of providing services has grown.
We are undertaking a fair funding review to consider
thoroughly how to introduce a more up-to-date, more
transparent and fairer needs assessment formula. We have
been working closely with local government to make sure
that it works for both local government and local people,
and we will make changes on the fastest possible
parliamentary timescale.
I wish to deal with a few of the issues that were mentioned
during the debate. First, the hon. Member for Harrow West
(Mr Thomas) is never backwards in coming forwards. It was
interesting that, although many of his arguments were
reasonably inconsistent, he was consistent on not coming up
with a single idea for how we might solve the complex
challenges faced by this country or by local government. I
was also interested to hear the comments made by the hon.
Member for Oldham West and Royton (Jim McMahon). He said,
“Where is the money?” Well, it might be a good idea for him
to take some advice from the right hon. Member for
Birmingham, Hodge Hill (Liam Byrne); I am sure he could
tell him where the money went.
My right hon. Friend the Member for Broxtowe (Anna Soubry)
made some very pertinent points, particularly about unitary
authorities. We are certainly willing to listen to
proposals, but those proposals must be driven from a local
level, and be bottom up. If her area is willing to do that,
we would be more than happy to listen to its views. She
also mentioned local authorities’ funding challenge. We are
providing a four-year settlement, so that councils, which
have additional reserves and resources, can use them to
bridge their funding gap, because they will know what their
situation will look like in the third and fourth year of
the settlement.
It was good to hear the comments of the hon. Member for
Sheffield South East (Mr Betts). He welcomed the principle
of the four-year settlement, to which 97% of councils have
signed up. He advocated that any additional funding from
the 100% business rates retention should go directly to
help local government fund services that are currently
provided. Although that may sound tempting, may I remind
him that we have been very clear that the situation would
be fiscally neutral? New responsibilities would come with
the additional £12.5 billion that we expect to go to local
government.
It was good to hear from my hon. Friend the Member for
Wells (James Heappey), who is a strong champion for his
constituency. I was pleased to hear his support for the
fair funding review, but I did hear his concerns as well. A
similar sentiment was expressed by my hon. Friends the
Members for St Austell and Newquay (Steve Double) and for
Thirsk and Malton (Kevin Hollinrake), and I take their
comments on board. My hon. Friend the Member for Wells also
mentioned the business rates baseline and the principle of
resetting the system, which is an important part of the
whole system. Finally, I know that he has spoken to the
Secretary of State about the aggregate levy, and I will
certainly look into the further points that he made today.
I certainly take on board the important points that my hon.
Friend the Member for St Ives (Derek Thomas) made about the
uniqueness of the Scilly Isles. My hon. Friend the Member
for Bromley and Chislehurst (Robert Neill) has vast
experience in local government and as a local government
Minister. I was pleased that he welcomed the idea of not
including the attendance allowance in business rates
retention. He was right that more needs to be done on the
integration of health and social care. He was also right to
advocate that the business rates multiplier uprating should
be changed from the retail prices index to the consumer
prices index, which the Government fully intend to do.
In conclusion, this local government finance settlement
honours our commitment to four-year funding certainty for
councils that are committed to reform. It recognises the
cost of delivering adult social care and makes resources
available sooner, and it puts councillors in the driving
seat with a commitment to support them with a fairer
funding formula. It will give Government the resources they
need to govern and I commend it to the House.
Question put.
The House proceeded to a Division.
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Mr Speaker
I remind the House that the motion is subject to
double-majority voting: the whole House and those
representing constituencies in England.
Division 166
22 February 2017 6.18 pm
The House divided:
Ayes: 269 Noes: 158 Ayes: 269 Noes: 158 Votes cast by Members for
constituencies in England: Ayes: 253 Noes: 141 Ayes: 253 Noes:
141
Question accordingly agreed to.
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Resolved,
That the Report on Local Government Finance (England) 2017-18 (HC
985), which was laid before this House on 20 February, be
approved.
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