Madam Deputy Speaker (Dame Eleanor Laing) We now proceed to the
Select Committee statement on behalf of the Education Committee. I
will shortly call Mr Robin Walker, the Chairman of the Committee,
who will speak for up to 10 minutes, during which no interventions
may be taken. At the conclusion of his statement, I will call
Members to ask questions on the subject of the statement, which
should be brief questions, not full speeches. I emphasise that
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Madam Deputy Speaker (Dame )
We now proceed to the Select Committee statement on behalf of the
Education Committee. I will shortly call Mr , the Chairman of the
Committee, who will speak for up to 10 minutes, during which no
interventions may be taken. At the conclusion of his statement, I
will call Members to ask questions on the subject of the
statement, which should be brief questions, not full speeches. I
emphasise that questions should be directed, not to the relevant
Minister, but to the Select Committee Chair. Front Benchers may
take part in questioning.
11.53am
Mr (Worcester) (Con)
I am grateful to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, and to the Backbench
Business Committee for the opportunity to make a statement on the
Education Committee's report on Ofsted's work with schools, to
which the Government's response has been published today. The
response from Ofsted was published on 11 March.
I put on record my thanks to the Clerks of our Committee for
their brilliant work, to our expert advisers, and to all the
teachers, leaders, inspectors, former inspectors and education
experts who contributed evidence. Members of the Committee, as
well as our witnesses, brought with them experience of the
inspection process, both from the receiving end as teachers and
governors and, in the case of my hon. Friend the Member for Meon
Valley (Mrs Drummond), as a former inspector. The pressures of
local elections mean that many Members who contributed to the
report cannot be in the Chamber today, but I am glad that we were
able to make all of our recommendations unanimously, and I am
grateful for the contributions of Members on all sides of the
House.
Our inquiry was called in the midst of heightened concern about
school inspection following the tragic events at Caversham
Primary School. While the inquiry was not focused on that
specific case and had to be careful to not trespass on the work
of the coroner, which was ongoing for much of its duration, I pay
tribute to the family of Ruth Perry for the dignified and
thoughtful way in which they have sought to raise concerns and
ensure that lessons are learned and reforms made. The coroner
reported just before the end of the inquiry, and we included in
our report a commitment to follow up on all of their
recommendations, something that I know every Member of my
Committee is looking forward to being able to do. We will be
taking evidence from the new chief inspector before the
summer.
The inquiry heard widespread agreement on the importance of an
accountability system and the roll of an independent
inspectorate, but also concerns about stress and anxiety
experienced by school staff due to high stakes nature of Ofsted's
inspections. The report highlighted criticisms of how inspections
are carried out and reported, the workload they generate and the
complaints system. We heard concerns from current and former
inspectors about the length and depth of inspection, and we took
evidence on the impact of successive frameworks over time. The
Committee heard that relations between Ofsted and the schools
sector have become extremely strained, and that trust in the
inspectorate was worryingly low.
We said in our report that the appointment of a new chief
inspector provided a crucial opportunity to restore trust and, in
that regard, our first recommendation was that in his Big Listen
with the sector, His Majesty's chief inspector must ensure that
he listens to wide range of views, including those of teachers,
school and trust leaders, governors, parents and pupils. In doing
that, he must ensure that Ofsted is genuinely open to engage and
willing to reflect on where it needs to improve.
We are glad that the process is treated seriously in both Ofsted
and the Department's responses. Ofsted said:
“We have done much since January 2024, but more—much more—is to
come. We launched the Big Listen on Friday 8 March 2024. We want
to hear from those we work with and those we work for. We know
that we need to do more. Ensuring inspections are carried out
with professionalism, courtesy, empathy and respect and
conducting a listening exercise are not enough. Action must, and
will, follow. We fundamentally believe that those actions should
not be based on the views of…HMCI alone. That is why we are
conducting a serious exercise to gather the views of as many
people as possible, where nothing is off the table.”
The Department places welcome emphasis on that Big Listen in its
response today. It mentions the process no fewer than 20 times in
the space of 15 pages of response.
The inquiry heard serious concerns about the single-word
judgment. The Committee has made recommendations to both Ofsted
and the Department for Education to rethink the process, to
consider serious alternatives and to look at what other
jurisdictions do inside and outside the United Kingdom in that
respect. As part of that, we encouraged them to use this process
to engage in serious discussion about genuine alternatives. We
also encouraged them both not just to focus on the overall
judgment but to encourage schools and the Department to look at
all the sub-judgments reached within Ofsted reports, and
publicise those just as much as they do the headline
judgment.
In its response, Ofsted was clear that that is within the scope
of the Big Listen. The Department stressed what it sees as the
significant benefits of the current system, but was clear that it
is continuing to listen to the sector's views and to look at
alternatives to four single-word judgments, including looking at
“various approaches taken internationally”. That in itself would
represent a welcome shift from some of the language used during
our inquiry, and a welcome acknowledgment of the need to look at
alternatives.
I am disappointed, however, that this morning the Department
appears to have gone further and ruled out changes to single-word
judgments, prejudging the outcome of the consultation process and
making any consideration of alternative systems academic.
Ministers would be better advised not to rule out any changes.
Both they and Ofsted would be right to ensure that feedback from
the Big Listen and a wide range of comparisons can be taken into
account before final decisions are made.
We are glad that both Ofsted and the Department have emphasised
the importance of all judgments, and set out steps to improve the
visibility of sub-judgments, as per our recommendation. In
conjunction with that, the Committee said that DFE should
reassess its policy of maintained schools that receive two
“requires improvement” judgments being required to become
academies. We also called on the Department to ensure that
regional directors who decide academisation orders genuinely take
into account the views of local stakeholders before making a
decision, and called for an increase in its accountability to
this House. DFE response said it keeps this policy
“under review and will have regard to stakeholders' views.”
It also argued that presumptions in favour of academy orders are
rebuttable, and that
“in each case the particular circumstances of the school, and the
needs of its pupils, will be assessed in the round, in order to
establish the best course of action.”
The Department confirmed:
“In line with civil service convention across government,
Regional Directors continue to be available to give evidence if
called before Parliament.”
However, it went on to say:
“Approval for their attendance before the Committee rests with
the Secretary of State”.
I hope that my Committee or its successors will be able to hear
evidence directly from them. Given the wide scope of their powers
and their importance within the system, that is an important
element of accountability.
The Committee also found broad agreement that inspections are not
long enough to cover the full framework and give an accurate
picture of a school's performance. Given that there is finite
funding, we accept that any increase to the length of inspections
would require a decrease in their frequency, and we are clear
that we do not wish to return to the previous exemption for
outstanding schools, which stayed in place for too long. On
balance, we recognise that there is a case to be made for a small
reduction in the frequency of inspections to increase their
value, length and depth.
In the short term, the Department should work with Ofsted to
enable the inspectorate to reduce the frequency of inspections to
approximately five to six years for good and outstanding schools,
and three to four years for schools judged “requires improvement”
or inadequate. That should be supported by better use of risk
assessment to identify the schools most in need of inspection.
Ofsted should use the additional resource released by that change
to enable inspections to be carried out in more depth. In the
longer term, the Department should support Ofsted in making a
strong case to the Treasury for additional funding to carry out
in-depth inspections. Funding for Ofsted should not be seen as
being in competition with school funding, and any additional
funding for the inspectorate must not result in less funding
being made available to schools.
Ofsted has been clear that it wants to consult on the regularity
and depth of inspections in the Big Listen, but it pointed out
reasonably that changing the five-year timeframe is not in its
gift, as it is set in legislation. The Department has rejected
our recommendation that it should consider a reduction in the
regularity of inspections to increase their depth, but it has
acknowledged that it will work in partnership with Ofsted to
ensure that it has appropriate resources to carry out its
programme effectively. Perhaps unsurprisingly, Ofsted stated:
“We very much welcome the Committee's commitment to supporting us
in asking for additional funding for more in-depth
inspections”.
As an example, we could inspect schools in greater depth by
ensuring that every inspection is led by one of His Majesty's
inspectors, and that each inspection team has an additional
inspector. That could provide a number of additional benefits; it
would allow the team more time to look at a school's unique
approach, and allow for a dedicated focus on a national priority
area in each inspection. Ofsted has costed that at £8.5 million a
year, and we hope that Ministers will consider that proposal in
future spending review discussions with the Treasury.
Another area of key interest for the Committee is multi-academy
trust accountability. My predecessor as Chair, my right hon.
Friend the Member for Harlow (), called on Ofsted to have a
role in that. That was also called for in the “Beyond Ofsted”
report by Lord Knight, and the idea has enjoyed strong
cross-party support in this Chamber. The Committee argued that
the Department for Education should urgently authorise Ofsted to
develop a framework for the inspection of MATs, and set out plans
for building expertise and capacity in this area. In its
response, Ofsted stated:
“We welcome Recommendation 28, and the Committee agreeing with
our evidence that inspection of MATs is appropriate and
inevitable.”
The DFE's response said that it
“continues to actively consider how we might strengthen”
scrutiny of MATs. It added:
“This might include the role of Ofsted. We look forward to
hearing views on this issue through Ofsted's Big Listen”.
We welcome the change in tone in this response. When the former
Schools Minister, my right hon. Friend the Member for Bognor
Regis and Littlehampton (), gave evidence to the Committee
during our inquiry, he appeared strongly opposed to MAT
inspection. We have pressed the urgency of action in this space,
and it feels like it is a step closer. Given the large and
growing role that MATs play in the school system, we continue to
believe that mechanisms for their accountability need to be
stronger.
I welcome the acceptance of our recommendations 1, 2, 9, 15, 17
and 27 by Ofsted, and its commitment to exploring recommendations
1, 3, 5, 10, 13, 20 to 22 and 24 and 25 through the Big Listen.
The one recommendation that Ofsted rejected was for an
independent review of the challenges for inspector retention, but
it did so on the basis that it feels that it already knows the
answers to those challenges, and that a review would not be good
use of taxpayers' money, which we can understand.
We welcome the respect that the Government have shown to the Big
Listen through their response, but recognise that many will not
be satisfied by conversations and will continue to call for more
urgent reform. The Government's response highlights important
changes, including for those schools rated inadequate purely on
the basis of safeguarding. Those can be rapidly re-inspected,
which is certainly a welcome change. There are hopeful signs
about the new chief inspector's intent, but the Committee will
continue to hold him and the inspectorate to account for how they
deliver.
I want to give Members the opportunity to respond, so I will
conclude by saying that what our Committee heard overall is that
Ofsted is needed and plays an important role in the system, but
it needs to change. We will continue to hold the Department and
the inspectorate to account for the change that we need to
see.
(Newcastle upon Tyne
North) (Lab)
I thank the Chair of the Education Committee for bringing forward
this statement, following the Committee's much-needed inquiry and
report on this issue. In the report, he rightly extends his
condolences and gratitude to the family, friends and colleagues
of Ruth Perry, all of whom have contributed to this report at an
incredibly difficult time. Labour welcomes the findings on Ofsted
single-word judgments, but the Government seem to have defended
the indefensible in their response. The current system is
high-stakes for teachers and low-information for parents. Like
his cross-party Committee, we believe that it must be
reformed.
Further to the Chair's comments, does he agree that the
Government should look again at the response that the Committee
received from those across the sector, who overwhelmingly want to
reform the system, just as Labour considered the sector when
setting out our plan for report cards, which has been welcomed by
the former chief inspector? Similarly, on inspection of
multi-academy trusts, the Government seem simply to have ignored
a recommendation that Ofsted's chief inspector has called
“inevitable”. Will the Chair therefore outline what conversations
he has had with Ministers on the issue, and any further work that
his Committee might do in this area?
Finally, the Committee's inquiry did not appear to extend to
inclusion being part of Ofsted inspection frameworks. Labour
proposes to ensure that children with special educational needs
and disabilities have access to clear information, and that their
parents understand their child's school in that regard. Will the
Chair and his Committee look at that? I thank him again for the
thorough and timely work that he and the Committee have
undertaken, and for the light that it has shed on this important
and pressing issue.
Mr Walker
I am grateful to the hon. Lady for her response. She raised some
important points. I expressed my disappointment that the
Government seem to have ruled out our recommendation that we move
away from single-word judgments and explore alternatives. It is
important that the Big Listen is a proper process of listening
and engagement, and that it can reach its own conclusions. I am
more inclined to agree with what was said in Ofsted's response
about nothing being off the table.
There is an extremely strong case for MAT inspection. That case
has been heard by those in all parts of the House; it is a
reflection of the maturity of MATs and their huge contribution to
the school system, which the Government's response acknowledged,
that we are having this debate. There was a significant move
forward in the tone of the Government's response on that. I
welcome the fact that they are actively exploring the options. Of
course, that needs to be done proportionately, and we need to
ensure that it does not increase the burdens on any school. I am
sure that can be worked through by the Department.
I have some sympathy for the idea that inclusion needs to be
considered. In previous Committee sessions— I know this happened
under the previous Chair—we tested that idea in many respects,
and some previous recommendations of the Committee have been fed
into the framework, such as the recommendation that no school
should be rated good or outstanding for performance unless its
performance for special educational needs pupils was good or
outstanding. It is important to acknowledge that some progress
has been made on that front, but I believe that balancing
attainment and inclusion is always important, throughout
education, so that was an interesting contribution. Of course,
because that is not part of Government policy or the current
framework, it was not within the terms of reference for our
inquiry.
(Harlow) (Con)
I congratulate my hon. Friend on the report, and I welcome the
recommendation on Ofsted supervision of MATs, but may I turn to
careers advice in schools? My first ever speech in the House of
Commons—my maiden speech—was about trying to encourage more
schools to encourage students to do apprenticeships, as well as
to go to university. While much progress has been made on this
issue—we are in a very different world in 2024 from that of 2010
—there is still much more work to be done, including on informing
students in all schools that there are great T-level offerings,
and great apprenticeship offerings as well. Does he agree that
Ofsted needs much tougher measures on ensuring that schools
encourage students to take up all the apprenticeship and other
skills offerings, so that students have choices other than going
to university?
Mr Walker
My right hon. Friend knows more about this issue than almost
anyone else in the House, and has made a huge contribution to the
debate on skills. He is, of course, absolutely right about the
importance of careers advice, and of signposting people towards
vocational opportunities in schools. This was the subject of an
inquiry and a report that he as Chair bequeathed to me when he
moved on. It was about careers education, information, advice and
guidance. In that report, we made recommendations that Ofsted
should align its work on personal development and its work in
this space with the Gatsby benchmarks. The work he did on putting
those benchmarks more prominently in our education system, both
as Chair of the Select Committee and subsequently as a Minister,
was vital to the success of that process, so I congratulate him
on that. We absolutely think that needs to be part of this
role.
Our one wariness was that we did not want to recommend a huge
slew of things that Ofsted should be adding to the inspection
process or framework, because we did not want to increase the
workload or pressure on teachers and leaders. All these things
need to be looked at in proportion, but there is absolutely a
place for ensuring that schools provide the right careers advice
and range of opportunities to students.
(Reading East) (Lab)
I thank the Chair and the Committee for their excellent work on
this very important matter. I also pay tribute to my constituent
Ruth Perry, who was an outstanding headteacher. The events at
Caversham Primary must never be allowed to happen again. I also
commend the work by Julia Waters, Ruth's sister, and local
campaigners and heads in the Reading area, as well as others
across the country, who have listened and called for Ofsted
reform. I offer my wholehearted support for an end to the
single-word judgment, and for wider Ofsted reform, as mentioned
by my hon. Friend the Member for Newcastle upon Tyne North
() on our Front Bench.
What steps does the Committee Chair believe the Government should
take now, given their unfortunate announcement this morning? Does
he believe that the response from the Department for Education
and Ofsted so far has been remotely adequate, particularly the
suggestion about using a former chief inspector to mark Ofsted's
homework, and continuing to ignore concerns raised by him and the
coroner about this serious matter?
Mr Walker
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for the way in which he has
engaged on this issue, and for rightly championing the interests
of his late constituent and her sister, who has engaged with this
process in good faith throughout. She has had meetings with the
Secretary of State and the new chief inspector of Ofsted, and I
know that she is not satisfied that the Government have gone far
enough. I urge the Government and Ofsted to ensure that the Big
Listen is a genuine process that takes nothing off the table, and
to respond in depth to the feedback on that.
It is absolutely legitimate for the hon. Gentleman's constituents
to raise concerns about the independence of the person appointed
to look into this matter, but I point out that other
organisations, including the National Education Union, not
notably a friend of Ofsted, have praised the appointee for their
independence. This matter will have to be considered carefully.
It is vital that the process is seen to be conducted
independently of both the current and former management of
Ofsted, and that it offers genuine insights into what went wrong
at Caversham and how that can be put right. It is important to
acknowledge the changes in both the Ofsted and Government
responses today—the steps already taken to provide better support
to headteachers, and the change in the approach to schools that
are rated inadequate on one factor, which will get the
opportunity to be reinspected. It is also worth putting on the
record that subsequent to inspection, Caversham Primary was rated
good, which shows that that approach can and should work.
(Southend West) (Con)
As a member of the Select Committee on Education, I thank my hon.
Friend for his excellent statement, and for the fantastic report
on which it is based. I also thank my hon. Friend for being a
brilliant Chair of the Committee. It was an almost impossible job
to take on, given the big boots he had to fill. I see the former
Select Committee Chair, my right hon. Friend the Member for
Harlow (), in his place; he literally
put the words “degree apprenticeship” into the “Oxford English
Dictionary”.
I want to talk about the report's recommendation 28. The
Committee strongly recommended that the process for multi-academy
trust inspections be delivered urgently. That recommendation was
also made by predecessors and others, and was indeed was accepted
by Ofsted. I am pleased about the change in tone from the
Government and that they are “actively” considering this, but
does my hon. Friend agree we need to go further? Does he agree
that, given that MATs are now the biggest part of the education
system, we need to go beyond “actively” considering? We must
accept these recommendations, and the MAT inspection regime
should be delivered urgently.
Mr Walker
In a word, yes.
(Cardiff West) (Lab)
A long time ago when I was a teacher at Radyr Comprehensive
School and the hon. Member for Cities of London and Westminster
() was a pupil there, we were
inspected. It is a necessary part of the system but can be very
challenging for all concerned. I very much welcome the—if I may
use a single word—outstanding report from the Select Committee
today and I am very disappointed that the Government have not
accepted its recommendations. One is about extending the length
of time before schools that are given an outstanding rating are
re-inspected. Some years ago the Government had to row back from
allowing schools rated as outstanding to go uninspected for as
long as 15 years, with the result that on re-inspection more than
80% were downgraded. As we have heard over and again in the
Chamber, that was a statistical fix to make it look as if there
were more outstanding schools in the country. Is the hon.
Gentleman confident that if the period were extended we could
avoid leaving schools with a previous outstanding finding to
languish uninspected when there are in fact problems in those
schools?
Mr Walker
The hon. Gentleman raises an important point, as he often does.
When I became a Minister in the Department, one of the first
questions I asked officials was whether that exception was still
in place and whether if it was we could end it, and I was
relieved to discover that my predecessor my right hon. Friend the
Member for Bognor Regis and Littlehampton () had already removed that
“outstanding” exception. If he had not done that, I would have
done so, because I share many of the hon. Gentleman's concerns
about the length such findings were in place. That was clearly a
mistake and it built up pressure in the system, which was deeply
unfortunate in some circumstances. We have now gone back to a
five-yearly cycle.
What we were querying was whether we could be more risk-based in
our approach. All schools should be inspected on a regular basis,
but we made the argument for good and outstanding schools to be
inspected slightly less regularly, and for those which require
improvement or are judged inadequate to be inspected more
regularly, so that they have the opportunity to turn themselves
around quickly.
I understand and respect the reasons why the Government might not
think that that is appropriate and feel the need for a level
playing field. They rejected that [art of the recommendation, but
we anticipated that they might do so and therefore also
recommended that they needed to help Ofsted make the case to the
Treasury for the funding necessary to do all the inspections
properly, particularly for schools in need of a
turnaround—schools which know they need to improve and which need
the resource and support of an in-depth inspection that engages
with teachers across the board. That is the case we were making
and I read the Government's response as a partial acceptance of
that case, albeit not one that puts us at any risk of returning
to a situation where schools languish uninspected for long
periods of time.
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