The Minister for Defence Procurement (James Cartlidge) With your
permission, Mr Deputy Speaker, I would like to make a statement on
our plans for reform of the Ministry of Defence’s acquisition
system. Nimrod, Snatch Land Rovers, Ajax, Crowsnest and
Morpheus—the narrative of our acquisition system has long been
dogged by major programmes that were variously over-complex,
over-budget and over-time. Of course, military procurement is
inherently complex, and external...Request free trial
The Minister for Defence Procurement ()
With your permission, Mr Deputy Speaker, I would like to make a
statement on our plans for reform of the Ministry of Defence’s
acquisition system.
Nimrod, Snatch Land Rovers, Ajax, Crowsnest and Morpheus—the
narrative of our acquisition system has long been dogged by major
programmes that were variously over-complex, over-budget and
over-time. Of course, military procurement is inherently complex,
and external factors—supply-chain disruption in particular—have
caused delays across the board that are likely to continue
hitting programmes for the time being.
It is also true that our system has excelled at procuring vast
quantities of ordnance into Ukraine. We have not stood still. We
have been identifying and addressing systemic issues that impact
on delivery, we have been driving pace and agility through
streamlined processes and increasing the capability and capacity
of our senior responsible owners, and, over the last six years,
Defence Equipment and Support has come a long way in its internal
reform efforts.
None the less, the long-standing weaknesses of defence
acquisition are well known. They include a tendency for exquisite
procurement—potentially too bespoke to export, leaving industrial
capacity vulnerable—and, as Sheldon’s Ajax report assessed,
personnel wary of speaking up as problems emerge. In my view, the
most significant issue is a model of delegated authority
implemented after Lord Levene’s 2011 report, which was supposed
to drive financial responsibility but instead makes
prioritisation hard to achieve in practice. With budgets under
strain from inflation, the result is inevitable—what we call
“over-programming” where, in the absence of effective
prioritisation, too many projects are chasing a finite amount of
funding. Inadvertently, that drives competition between the three
single services, each vying to get their programme on contract,
knowing that funding is oversubscribed. Such over-programming can
only be dealt with in one way: delay, shifting programmes to the
right to make the books balance.
None of those problems compares with the most compelling reason
for reform. In a world where our adversaries are threatening to
out-compete us in capability terms, we have no choice but to
reform acquisition, or we will see our military competitiveness
diminished. Ukraine has shown that today’s battlespace is highly
contested, and integrated operations are essential. In 2021 we
announced the integrated operating concept, recognising the
military need for an integrated concept of operations but
maintaining a delegated procurement system. Today, I announce our
new integrated procurement model, in a world where multi-domain
communications are critical and data integration is paramount. At
the same time, our kit must be secure, with key elements made in
the UK, and we must prioritise procuring enablers alongside the
shiny new platform that cannot work without them.
What does that mean in practice? There will be five key features
of our new approach. First, it will be joined up, with
procurement anchored in pan-defence affordability rather than ad
hoc silos that are vulnerable to over-programming. A key example
will be our pending munitions strategy—a top priority given our
need to replenish weapons stocks to war fighting levels.
Pan-defence prioritisation of munitions procurement will be
driven not only by the hard reality of the greatest threats we
face, but by the scale of demand signal required for always-on
production—the optimal outcome for both military and
industry.
Secondly, we will have new checks and balances to challenge
assumptions at the outset of programmes. Specifically, our new
integration design authority, based within strategic command,
will be empowered to ensure that our new approach is adopted in
practice. If requirements lack a plan for data integration or
accompanying enablers, the proposal will be sent back. The
authority will also be able to monitor programmes where
opportunities may arise, such as to better harness Al or novel
technologies.
Meanwhile, in the MOD’s largely civilian sphere, a defence-wide
portfolio approach will bring together all the expertise at our
disposal to enable properly informed choices and decisions on
priorities. The aim will be to provide a credible second opinion
for Ministers to weigh alongside the military’s proposed
requirements. In particular, there will be a far stronger role
for our brilliant scientists at the Defence Science and
Technology Laboratory to focus on technological viability.
Experts will be tasked with market analysis and prioritising
advice on industrial options, ensuring that we make the best
informed decision on whether to go for off the shelf, sovereign
manufacture or somewhere in between. To avoid new oversight
leading simply to more red tape, the reform takes place hand in
hand with defence design, aimed at streamlining our internal
processes.
The third key feature is prioritising exportability, which will
now be considered in-depth from the very outset of programmes, to
maximise the potential market for a given capability and,
therefore, drive British industrial resilience. That is why one
of the key expert voices will be our export specialists. At the
moment, their primary focus is on export campaigns, largely for
mature products. However, I want that expertise to be embedded
within the MOD’s acquisition process from the beginning, giving
us robust data to quantify the risk that bespoke requirements
might create a delta between our needs and international demand.
Above all, that means that our international export campaigns can
commence at a far earlier point in the product life cycle.
The fourth feature of our new approach is to empower industrial
innovation. We have already started our radical new venture of
engaging industry at secret, to give the strongest possible
understanding of our future requirements. My aim is to embed this
approach throughout procurement, driving the deepest possible
relationship with industry, to enable entrepreneurial innovation
to flourish and our supply chains to become more resilient. A
more holistic supplier management approach will complement that
by enabling the Department to speak with a clearer voice
regarding priorities once on contract.
Fifthly, we will pursue spiral development by default—seeking 60%
to 80% of the possible, rather than striving for perfection. For
such spiral programmes we will abolish initial operating
capability and full operating capability. Instead of IOC or FOC,
there will be MDC—the minimum deployable capability. There will
have to be exceptions, but we have set new default time targets
for programmes: three years for digital and five for platforms.
This is all about pace, but to achieve pace we need the right
people: capable senior responsible owners, operating in an
environment of psychological safety. As such, and given the
emphasis on our people and psychological safety, I am pleased to
report that we believe we have now implemented all 24
recommendations of the Sheldon review.
Finally, how will this systematic change be implemented? I said
to the Defence Committee that our plan was to launch our new
model in the next financial year. From the second week of April,
the integration design authority will formally deliver its new
oversight function in support of the integrated procurement
model. For major new programmes starting after that date, newly
formed expert advice will be made available to Ministers,
ensuring that we thrash out all the hard issues at the beginning
of a major procurement, locking down the key policy decisions so
that our SROs and commercial functions can deliver at pace from
then. For contractual reasons, existing programmes will continue
under their current procurement mode, but on 8 April we will
publish our new spiral development playbook so that existing
programmes that can adopt spiral features will be empowered to do
so.
On exportability, yesterday I published the next stage of our new
medium helicopter competition, which includes a strong weighting
for exports to ensure that the high-quality rotary work that it
will support in the UK is sustainable in the long term. Such an
approach to weighting exportability, where appropriate, will
become the default from 8 April. From that date, our three and
five-year targets will apply to new programmes, including top
priority pending procurements, such as the mobile fires platform.
Ukraine has shown how close combat artillery remains critical to
warfighting. We will now accelerate that crucial acquisition,
exemplifying our new approach whereby we will order critical
enablers in parallel to the platform itself, particularly
ammunition. Ukraine has also shown the importance of drones.
Uncrewed systems will form the first overall category of pipe
cleaner for the integrated procurement model from end to end.
Alongside this statement,
I am today publishing a short guidance note explaining the nuts
and bolts of our new acquisition approach. Copies will be placed
in the Library, and will be available in the Vote Office after I
have sat down. The current environment in which we find
ourselves—war in Europe—has made it impossible to ignore the
urgent need for change. I commend this statement to the
House.
2.17pm
(Garston and Halewood)
(Lab)
Let me begin by thanking the Minister for his statement and for
early sight of it.
Defence procurement matters. It provides the vital kit that our
forces need to fight, as well as supporting hundreds of thousands
of UK jobs. We need to get this right as a nation, both for our
national security and for economic growth. However, defence
procurement is a mess. It needs deep and major reform. The Public
Accounts Committee describes it as
“broken and repeatedly wasting taxpayers’ money.”
It has been a mess for the last 14 years. Since 2010, the
Conservatives have wasted £15 billion of taxpayers’ money through
mismanagement of defence procurement programmes; £5 billion has
been wasted in this Parliament alone. With 46 of 52 major
projects not on time or on budget, this Government are failing
British forces and British taxpayers.
Time and again, this Government have been criticised for poor
performance on defence procurement. There have been 17 National
Audit Office reports on procurement in the MOD since 2019, four
reports by the Defence Committee and eight reports by the Public
Accounts Committee. They have all been critical—some highly
critical—of this Government. It is right that the Minister
proposes some changes—we welcome that. He mentioned Ajax; can he
explain how his proposals would have stopped the disasters of the
Ajax procurement? That was supposed to see vehicles in service in
2017, but now they will not be on operational deployment until
2026. More than £4 billion has been spent, but just 44 vehicles
have been delivered to date. That is 70% of the budget spent for
7% of the vehicles ordered. That cannot be described as good
value for money.
The MOD’s Command Paper refresh, which sets out the policy for
acquisition reform, does not even tackling waste or value for
money, so how would the Minister’s proposed changes stop what
happened to the E-7 Wedgetail procurement? That programme, vital
to enabling the UK to meet our NATO commitments, was cut from
five planes to three by a ministerial decision to save money, but
the changes mean that the RAF gets only 60% of the capability it
wants while paying 90% of the original price. The Minister
mentioned Morpheus. How would his proposals stop cost overruns,
such as those that occurred in the Morpheus communication system
procurement? That £395 million contract, awarded in 2017, was
cancelled just before Christmas having delivered nothing at a
cost of £690 million. It leaves our forces in the field having to
use the ageing Bowman system for another decade.
As the Minister said in his statement, he has just announced the
invitation to negotiate on the new medium helicopter. It has
taken him since September 2022, when that announcement was first
expected, and three subsequent delays to get the announcement
finally made. Why has it taken so long and how will his
integrated procurement model prevent delay after delay to
expected invitations to negotiate? He expects the contract to be
signed in 2025. Does it really take three years to invite
negotiations and write contract specifications? Will his new
integrated procurement model speed that up, or will it slow
things down at the front end?
How does the Minister’s announcement today tackle the waste, poor
value for money and delays that appear endemic in the current MOD
procurement system? He says the new integrated procurement model
will be implemented this year in respect of new procurements, but
when does he actually expect to see better value and faster, less
wasteful procurements? He talks about procurement anchored in
pan-defence affordability, but his 10-year equipment plan is
already £17 billion over budget. What adjustments will be made on
that?
The long-standing failures on procurement in the MOD matter in an
increasingly dangerous world. They send a message, just as over
the past 14 years the Government’s hollowing out of our armed
forces, creating a recruitment crisis and shrinking the Army to
its smallest size since the Napoleonic era, send signals to our
adversaries. Labour believes that defence procurement can
strengthen UK sovereignty, security and economic growth. Defence
procurement reform will be a top priority for a Labour Government
to ensure that our troops have the kit they need to fight and to
fulfil our NATO obligations.
I am grateful to the right hon. Lady for her comments. Some
issues are above party politics and playing politics, especially
when we look at the threat we face and our need for more
competitive military procurement, but she is aware, for all she
said, that we have seen a one-year reduction in procurement time
from December 2020 to December 2022. There have been
extraordinary efforts in DE&S in particular to get equipment
into Ukraine. We should never understate the way we have gifted
our own stocks and scoured the world to find an enormous amount
of munitions, not least 300,000 artillery shells. That is very
positive procurement and in the hour of need as far as Ukraine is
concerned.
The right hon. Lady asked a perfectly fair question. Obviously,
we cannot say how any of the measures would have worked in the
past, but let me take one of her hypothetical questions: how
would Ajax—the key example, given the Sheldon report—have been
helped? I can only speculate, but the emphasis on exportability,
for example, will be robust and from the start of programmes.
That applies more pressure where requirements are overly
exquisite, because it will be balanced out by international
demand. The reason we want to promote exportability is ultimately
to strengthen the resilience of our industrial base. Our market
is not big enough. If we have that check in place, it will reduce
the tendency towards the exquisite.
Secondly, we will have a new set-up in terms of the expert advice
we receive at the beginning—the second opinion, as I call it—in
particular from scientists at the Defence Science and Technology
Laboratory, export experts at the Department for Business and
Trade, and our own civil servants on finance and so on. We will
have very clear advice, which will look at the technical issues
around potential platforms. At the moment, to be frank—I
appreciate this is only possible to say from internal
knowledge—we do not get that level of balance and challenge
against the primary requirement coming forward from the frontline
command.
The right hon. Lady asked how the new model would apply to the
new medium helicopter and whether it would add time at the
beginning. I cannot comment on the specifics of NMH, because it
is commercially sensitive, but talking in generality, I would
trade more time at the beginning, thrashing out the big issues,
working out and locking down the policy on, for example,
industrial production, so that those issues do not find
themselves being reopened later. Of course, I am talking
generically and not about specific programmes, but if such things
are not locked down, there is a real habit of them coming back
later and creating the biggest delay, putting the programme in
question. So, that is crucial.
Finally, the right hon. Lady asks about the affordability issue
in the equipment plan, which I think is the most important part.
I spoke about the munitions strategy. We could simply ask the
single services to come forward with their priorities for new
munitions, but the best way is to look robustly at the threat we
face. That is the most important issue: to work back from that
and prioritise at a pan-defence level the most urgent
requirements for new munitions. I think many people would think
that that is common sense, but it has not necessarily been how
the system has worked.
Let me finish by saying that perhaps the most positive experience
I have had as the Minister for Defence Procurement was visiting
one of our small and medium-sized enterprises, which was bringing
forward a drone we were using in Ukraine. It was receiving data
from the frontline and, based on that data, spirally developing
the platform within days to go back into service so it was
competitive against the threat it was facing. I want to create a
constant loop between industry and the MOD, where we are sharing
data and frontline knowledge, so that we have a far more rapid
period of technological innovation. The equipment plan, which was
very static over 10 years, will look like an old fashioned way of
doing things. The priority is to get technology into the hands of
the military. That will increasingly be on the software basis and
that is how we strengthen our armed forces overall.
Mr Deputy Speaker ( )
I call the Chair of the Defence Committee.
Sir (Horsham) (Con)
I congratulate the Minister on the statement, which looks to the
future. There is a lot in it to commend. In particular, it is
absolutely right to focus on data collection and making certain
we are AI-ready. I am delighted about DSTL’s enhanced role, which
was one of the learnings from Ajax, and I am pleased that all the
recommendations of the Sheldon report are being taken
forward.
On closer industrial working at secret and exportability, that is
entirely consistent with the defence security industrial
strategy. That is absolutely welcome and a very positive sign.
Above all, I am delighted with the emphasis on spiral development
and the new concept of the MDC. We all know the benefits of that:
getting something that is right and appropriate on to the
frontline where it can be spirally developed is good for
industry—it sees the drumbeat of orders—and good for the
services, which do not need to think they are going to get
everything in one bite. It is all positive.
The only thing I would ask is that we should not forget the
basics. The Minister referred to this in his statement, but SROs
who have enough bandwidth, support, and time and length on a
project are absolutely critical, as is a culture in which they
can experiment, and if something ain’t working, they should be
able to pull stumps. That should not be a source of shame, but an
inevitable consequence of being forward-leaning, modern and
experimental. They should say, “This isn’t working; reinvest the
cash elsewhere.” That should be commended when SROs come to the
Minister with that kind of circumstance.
I am very grateful to the Chairman of the Select Committee; he is
absolutely right. Let me take those two points. On the importance
of SROs, the biggest issue we face, ironically, for all the talk
about technology, is people—that is across the economy in many
ways and across the public sector. Yes, we want to empower SROs.
There are some brilliant SROs in the Department and it has been a
pleasure to work with them. I stress that I think we are now at
the point where 90% of SROs spend at least 50% of their time
solely on one project. That is very positive.
On my right hon. Friend’s point about cultural change, let me be
frank. We can publish all the strategies we want, but if they are
not delivered and do not change the culture, they will not have
the effect on output that we want.
Let me return to my drone example. My right hon. Friend spoke
about the need to learn from failure, which is how many of the
greatest entrepreneurs in the world have succeeded. On the day of
my visit to the SME that was developing a highly effective drone
to be used on the frontline, the people there had received bad
news, but crucially, they took that bad news, they spiralled the
platform, they learnt from it, and they made sure that when it
went out again it was competitive. That is the key to the
system.
(Linlithgow and East Falkirk)
(SNP)
I thank the Minister for advance sight of his statement, and for
his honesty in detailing the complexity and difficulties involved
in defence procurement. I wish him every success with the
proposals that he has outlined.
Back in December, a National Audit Office report stated that the
MOD faced a £16.9 billion black hole in equipment funding. I did
not hear any mention in the statement of how that would be
addressed, and I fear that it may not be covered in the Budget,
so perhaps the Minister could enlighten me. Will he also tell me
whether he can guarantee that we will able to meet the
requirement for essential contributions to both NATO and Ukraine
during this time of conflict?
Also missing from the statement were any details of the
post-Brexit defence sector labour shortages—how do the Government
plan to address those shortages in order to support the
sector?—and any reference to parliamentary scrutiny, especially
with regard to the nuclear programme. What assurances can the
Minister give that the programme will be scrutinised by the
Defence Committee and by Parliament? Also, given that we are
working with allies to support Ukraine, which I welcome, do we
not now need a mechanism such as a comprehensive defence security
treaty with the European Union to further that?
There is a considerable emphasis on prioritising exportability.
Do the Government acknowledge that arms exports and procurement
programmes with the state of Israel could make us complicit in
war crimes? That is a concern for many members of the public, and
I would be grateful for the Minister’s comments on it.
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for the broad thrust of his
comments. Let me deal with them in reverse order, beginning with
his point about arms exports. As he knows, we have strong and
robust rules, and we do of course follow them. We keep all our
existing export rules and priorities under review. He mentioned
nuclear parliamentary scrutiny. I responded to two successive
Adjournment debates on nuclear matters that had been initiated by
Scottish colleagues. I also appeared before the Defence Committee
recently, when I spoke as openly as I could about the highly
sensitive issue of the recent certification of our nuclear
submarine, HMS Vanguard.
The hon. Gentleman mentioned the lack of a labour supply from the
EU. Let me gently say to him that when I speak to defence
companies, I see a real willingness to invest in apprenticeships
so that we can grow our own UK workforce, and I think that that
is what we all want to see. On the equipment plan, the hon.
Gentleman made the same point as the right hon. Member for
Garston and Halewood (). The equipment plan is a
moment in time. It is a huge programme over 10 years, and only a
minority of it—perhaps 25% or 30%—is actually on contract. What
that is showing is, effectively, the aspiration for programmes in
the future. There will be other programmes, not on contract, that
we will not pull out of and that we will be expected to be part
of, but there is room for flexibility.
For me, the purpose of this acquisition reform is to inform that
process on the basis of what matters most of all: data from the
frontline and war gaming data—on what is happening in Ukraine and
on our own war gaming—informing spiral and technological
development. That is the way forward, and I think it will be a
far more flexible process than taking very rigid views.
(Ludlow) (Con)
I remind the House of my entry in the Register of Members’
Financial Interests.
I commend my hon. Friend for the remarkable pace at which he has
got to grips with the challenges of acquisition in defence. He
has not been in post for very long, but he has brought
intellectual rigour to those challenges, which some of us have
been trying to do for a while. I also endorse everything that was
said by the Chair of the Select Committee, my right hon. Friend
the Member for Horsham (Sir ), who is an expert on these
issues. I am particularly pleased that he has sought to bring the
learning from the current conflict in Ukraine back into our own
system here in the UK. Other countries are learning how to adapt
their acquisition systems rapidly, and we need to do the
same.
I completely endorse the integrated procurement model. Its
precursors were in the complex weapons programme, which has been
running for more than 10 years. I think the fact that my hon.
Friend has referred to it in the current contract that he
announced yesterday for the next stage of the competition for the
medium helicopter lift is a good example of that. He spoke about
introducing agility, about exportability and about innovation.
Many of us have been pushing the MOD to proceed with all those
developments. The spiral development and, in particular, the move
from an initial and a final operator capability to a minimum
deployable should have a huge impact on the acceleration of
processes.
SROs have been referred to. If my hon. Friend can consider
extending terms— double or triple terms—for service personnel and
key civil servants in that role, he will assist enormously in
retaining knowledge within the system.
Several hon. Members rose—
Mr Deputy Speaker ( )
Order. May I remind Members to focus on the question to which
they want the Minister to respond?
It is a privilege to take a question like that from the former
Minister for Defence Procurement, who followed another former
Minister for Defence Procurement—the Chairman of the Select
Committee. I hope that my right hon. Friend does not mind my
repeating what he said to me privately when I got the job. At
that time, he made the same point about the importance of SROs’
spending as long as possible in their roles, which was also in
the Sheldon report. Obviously there is an employment law issue—in
the sense that we cannot insist on that—but I have referred to
statistics which show that we are investing more in SROs, in the
Army in particular.
My right hon. Friend spoke of learning lessons from Ukraine—he is
absolutely right. One lesson that I have been struck by is the
importance of understanding electronic warfare, jamming and
interference, and the way in which the battle space has changed.
That is why I keep emphasising the importance in our system of
securing data from the front and from war gaming to inform
procurement.
My right hon. Friend made an important point about the complex
weapons programme. This involves a portfolio approach that should
lead to more agile commercial relationships, enabling a better
demand signal to industry, which drives its investment, but also
allows us to take a nimbler approach when dealing with
industry.
(Wakefield)
(Lab/Co-op)
Is it is right for the Minister to seek to reform a defence
procurement system that the Public Accounts Committee has
described as “broken”? The shadow Secretary of State, my right
hon. Friend the Member for Wentworth and Dearne (), has just delivered a speech
to Policy Exchange, in which he set out that a future Labour
Government will create a national armaments director to
co-ordinate and oversee defence procurement. Why have this
Government not done that in the last 14 years?
It is interesting to hear what the hon. Gentleman has just been
WhatsApped by the Labour Whips Office, but I am happy to share
what is happening in the real world if he wants to hear it. Andy
Start, who runs Defence Equipment and Support, is an excellent
national armaments director. He has been out leading trade fairs
in Ukraine, he has led reform in DE&S, and above all, at a
time of war in Europe, he has overseen DE&S, particularly in
Abbey Wood, getting equipment out to Ukraine and helping to keep
it in the fight.
(Rayleigh and Wickford)
(Con)
Forgive me, Sir, but—Yes! [Laughter.]I have waited for years to
hear an MOD Minister issue this statement, and this very good
Minister has done just that. It is true that the Public Accounts
Committee said that the procurement system was broken, and last
summer the Defence Committee endorsed that in a report, produced
by a Sub-Committee that I chaired, entitled “It is broke—and it’s
time to fix it”. Well, I take this to be the “fix it” or “put
right” plan. I welcome it, and in particular the sense of urgency
that goes with it. Given that the Defence Secretary has told us
that we now live in a pre-war rather than a post-war world, we
must do this sooner and, crucially, faster. The proof of the
pudding will be in the eating, but can the Minister assure me and
the whole House that the sense of urgency that I mentioned will
be at the centre of this, and that he and Andy Start will now get
on with it?
I am honoured by my right hon. Friend. We enjoy our robust
exchanges, but that was an example that I shall particularly
remember.
The phrase “a sense of urgency” is, I think, what the public want
to hear. Important as today’s exchanges are, this is really
serious; it is above politics. This is about the fact that our
adversaries are ramping up their procurement and their
technology—frankly, in some instances, at a frightening pace.
That is why embracing the deep relationship with industry, the
constant feedback loop on data from the frontline and from war
gaming, is so crucial. I think the Committee has an important
role in this regard. I set out our intention in my statement, but
for it to be embedded we will have a key set of milestones that
will enable us, if we work together, to show that it is being
implemented; if we can do that together, we can put the pressure
on to ensure that it becomes manifest.
(Tiverton and Honiton)
(LD)
I would like to pick up on the point about urgency. We have seen
what the UK is capable of in defence acquisition from urgent
capability requirements or, previously, urgent operational
requirements. These harness the ingenuity of British industry and
combine it with the professionalism of the British armed forces
personnel. They remove bureaucracy, focus on the capability
rather than detailed specifications, and deliver amazing
equipment in very short timescales. A great example is the
Jackal, the all-terrain mobility platform that was developed at
Dunkeswell in my Honiton constituency. How much is the new
integrated procurement model informed by the UCR process?
On matters of defence procurement, it always strikes me how many
former service personnel will raise the issue of urgent
operational requirements or whatever else we call them, whatever
variation of the acronym. The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right
to stress their importance. They are not something that can be
used at scale for the whole procurement system, but in specific,
urgent areas they are critical, and we will continue to use them.
I am considering them in a couple of sensitive areas, which
obviously I cannot talk about further, but he makes an excellent
point. By the way, the Jackal is an excellent platform. My first
trade mission on exports was to the Czech Republic, and the
Jackal was there. I was proud to receive glowing reviews about it
from the defence select committee there.
(Bracknell) (Con)
I, too, welcome today’s statement and the bold strategy, so I
thank the Minister. We had a conversation yesterday in which I
suggested that we needed an arbiter of good taste within strat
comms. I am delighted to see the IDA now being formed, which
should allow for a bit of rigour, with tri-service interest. May
I make a point about how we can further reform acquisition? To my
mind, if we are serious about not writing cheques that we cannot
cash, and about financial rigour, discipline and planning, we
need to be making procurement teams responsible for the entire
capability throughout lifecycle. May I please leave that with the
Minister? I am being mischievous, but it is a seed I want to
sow.
My hon. Friend has also served and has great expertise in
logistics and these matters. In many ways, that is the portfolio
approach: having teams within MOD who are focused on a particular
capability, potentially cutting across the frontline commands and
the stovepipe approach. It has been particularly useful for
complex weapons. In effect, as I have said, we will be using that
with drones and uncrewed systems, but I am happy to look into it
further.
I am also glad that my hon. Friend stresses the importance of the
IDA in strat comms. Just to be clear, this is about having a way
of calling out issues that I suspect and hope are not
commonplace, but having that presence there will hopefully lead
to cultural change, which is the key thing we want to see, so
that we get into the habit whereby when we procure, we are
looking at not just the platform but whether it has the key
enablers. If we get the basics right, we will set programmes up
for success.
(Harrogate and Knaresborough)
(Con)
I welcome my hon. Friend’s statement. He outlined several
changes, and I am sure that his emphasis on people is absolutely
correct. Procurement is not just a matter of systems, but about
how they are implemented and who implements them, and the culture
within teams is important too. Specification changes drive
complexity, cost and delay. Does my hon. Friend agree that
removing delay from the programmes is critical because, if for no
other reason, the international security situation demands
it?
My hon. Friend, who speaks with great expertise from significant
ministerial experience, makes an excellent point. I agree with
him wholeheartedly. There has been some debate about the issue of
to what extent we can lock requirements so that they do not get
changed, because it is a frustration. My sense, which I tried to
share earlier, is that what we need to lock at the beginning are
the top-level political decisions—for example, around the type of
manufacture, be it sovereign, off the shelf or some combination
thereof, which I think one could argue is the case for the New
Medium Helicopter. If we do that, our SROs, officials and
commercial teams will feel empowered, so that they can get on and
rush to the finish line.
(Harwich and North Essex)
(Con)
I congratulate my hon. Friend on his excellent statement. What
training and professional development will be put in place to
underpin the new policy? What he is describing is a wholesale
transformation of culture, attitude and behaviour that is
required in the Ministry of Defence, particularly around the
pace, the people and the leadership of teams. This will not be
achieved unless there is a concerted effort to change the culture
and to implement a change programme in MOD and the armed forces
that will underpin what he is seeking to achieve.
I am very grateful to my constituency neighbour—another Essex MP
with a great passion for defence procurement reform. We have
discussed it at length. He is absolutely right to emphasise the
importance of training. A lot of this is already starting to
happen and come to fruition, and I can give him an example. I
referred to a meeting with industry at “Secret”. I attended one
such meeting in Main Building, where Mil Cap, who is in charge of
military capability in MOD, and I sat with a wide number of
defence industry representatives and spoke to them. The thing
that enthused them was that, because we were at “Secret”, we were
able to share as sensitively as possible our future plans. A lot
of what I am saying is about building on work that is ongoing,
particularly at DNS, for example. But my hon. Friend is right: if
we want to make this work, we have to have the people and they
have to have the training.
(West Dorset) (Con)
My hon. Friend will know full well that I am a huge advocate of
Leonardo Helicopters in the neighbouring Yeovil constituency,
which is the home of British helicopters as the only end-to-end
helicopter supply chain manufacturer in the United Kingdom. I
welcome today’s statement, and I very much welcome his statement
earlier in the week about the New Medium Helicopter procurement,
but could he briefly outline how organisations such as Leonardo
Helicopters, which employs thousands of people in south Somerset
and West Dorset, might benefit from his statement today?
I am grateful to my hon. Friend. He is a champion of the rotary
industry, which supports so many jobs in his constituency. It is
thanks to the championing of that interest by him and other
colleagues who have constituency interests in the procurement
that it is moving forward as it is. Obviously it is a
competition, so we have to be even-handed and recognise that all
three companies have their strengths, but I would emphasise two
points about that procurement. First, there is a strong emphasis
on UK industrial contribution, particularly in design work. That
is the most important work, and it is what we want to see in the
UK.
Secondly, there is the huge weighting for exportability. As far
as I am aware, Type 31 is the only other such procurement where
we have had a weighting for exportability. I want that to be the
default so that my hon. Friend can say to his constituents that,
because of his campaigning, this procurement will give a strong
weighting to UK jobs and prosperity.
(North West Norfolk) (Con)
Defence procurement has been a work in progress since Samuel
Pepys, and I welcome the latest reforms. One issue when I was in
the Ministry of Defence and then on the Public Accounts Committee
was that SROs are in place for a fraction of the contract life
cycle. Will the Minister ensure that longer terms apply across
all programmes, not just those in the Army? How will the
much-needed reforms help get better value for money, particularly
for contracts that are awarded without competition?
My hon. Friend makes an important point about Samuel Pepys. My
diplomatic answer would be that defence procurement has perhaps
been subject to spiral development for longer than we think. My
hon. Friend makes an important point about value for money,
particularly for single source. I stress that the changes will
come into force at the same time as we are also reforming single
source regulations. I will soon have the great pleasure of
bringing forward a statutory instrument, which will make a number
of changes to single source regulations to ensure that they are
optimised. They are a good way of ensuring that the inevitable
single source procurement that we will always have in defence,
not least in highly sensitive areas or where there is one
specialist supplier, is as effective as possible. He makes a very
good point.
(The Wrekin) (Con)
I welcome the statement, particularly the new thinking around
factoring exports for the future into defence acquisition and
procurement. I thank the Minister for his recent visit to
Shropshire. Would he like to put on the record his thanks to all
the fantastic defence engineers—men, women and apprentices—who
work at Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land and the defence support
group Babcock, which are delivering for defence and keeping us
safe at home and abroad? Would he perhaps like to hint at new
jobs and new contracts in Shropshire up to 2030?
My right hon. Friend is an absolute champion of defence jobs in
his constituency in Shropshire. I was delighted to visit RBSL in
Telford, which is making not only Boxer but Challenger 3, two of
the three key components of our future armoured combat
battlegroups. It was a pleasure to meet the apprentices and other
workers, and to see the reality behind those jobs that we often
talk of as statistics. Babcock is also an important employer in
his constituency. I will say to him that the opportunity will be
there not only through our own procurement but through putting
exportability at the heart of procurement, to ensure that we
sustain our industrial base for as long as possible by giving it
the widest possible market.
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