Mr Philip Hollobone (in the Chair) We begin with the Select
Committee statement. Liam Byrne will speak on the publication of
the first report of the Business and Trade Committee, “Batteries
for electric vehicle manufacturing”, HC 196, for up to 10 minutes,
during which no interventions may be taken. At the conclusion of
the statement, I will call Members to put questions on the subject
of the statement, and call Liam Byrne to respond to these in turn.
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(in the Chair)
We begin with the Select Committee statement. will speak on the publication of
the first report of the Business and Trade Committee, “Batteries
for electric vehicle manufacturing”, HC 196, for up to 10
minutes, during which no interventions may be taken. At the
conclusion of the statement, I will call Members to put questions
on the subject of the statement, and call to respond to these in turn.
Questions should be brief, and Members may only ask one question
each. I call the Chair of the Business and Trade Committee,
.
(Birmingham, Hodge Hill)
(Lab)
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hollobone.
I am grateful to the Liaison Committee for making time available
for this statement today. I understand that the Backbench
Business Committee was reinstituted last night, so Select
Committees and their Chairs will now have the opportunity to make
applications to it, but I am grateful for the time granted by the
Liaison Committee today.
When the great steam engine tycoon Matthew Boulton, who was from
my neck of the woods, in Birmingham, welcomed people to the Soho
manufactory—the first great steam engine factory in the world—he
used to say, “I make here, Sir, what all the world
desires—power,” and he was right. Just as power was at the heart
of the industrial revolution all those centuries ago, so power
will be at the heart of the green industrial revolution in the
years to come. Our nation has to move fast now to transform the
battery industry, to create jobs, and to safeguard the 165,000
workers in the automotive industry and the other 800,000 in the
supply chain.
Batteries are big and heavy, and they are expensive to move
around. We have to wake up to the risk that, if we do not build
the gigafactories that make those batteries here in this country,
our great automotive factories will up sticks and move to where
the gigafactories are being built—perhaps in the United States or
Europe. If we do not do that, we risk becoming dependent on
imports from China, where, as we know, there are questions about
the integrity of the supply chain and the labour that is
used.
The challenge the Committee wants to flag is that we are now
falling behind our competitors and need to take steps urgently to
create a better environment for electric vehicle battery
production. We have a huge gigafactory gap; the estimates are
quite widely developed in the industry and academia, but even
under the Minister’s own estimates, we are going to need about
100 GW of manufacturing capacity just to supply the automotive
industry for us by 2030. But the demands will be much greater
than that, because there will be all sorts of other applications
too. Right now, we have online just 2 GW of capacity and deals in
place that cover barely half the capacity we will need.
We conclude in our report that the Government have done well to
reinforce this country’s strengths in battery research and
development—we are, after all, the nation of Faraday. We also
conclude that the lack of a stable, long-term industrial strategy
has hampered our ability to secure long-term investment. As a
country, we have real competitive advantages. We could harness
the UK’s low-carbon energy sources to ensure that we become a
global frontrunner in making sustainable and ethical
batteries.
I am conscious that tomorrow is a big day for the Minister—she
has just arrived back from Kazakhstan, and I am grateful she
could join us today. We know that an advanced manufacturing plan
and a UK battery strategy are coming. These things—or some of
them—may arrive tomorrow but we do not know yet. We as a
Committee wanted to set out the seven things we would like to see
in those strategies, so that we could mark the autumn statement,
and the House would have a way of judging whether the Minister’s
strategy is what the country needs.
First, we cannot escape the fact that public subsidies will be
needed. American cash for battery firms could total $150 billion
over the next 10 years, which is an enormous amount of subsidy,
while European subsidies are at around three times what we are
currently providing. By contrast, the UK’s automotive
transformation fund has just £850 million, and some of that has
been burgled for other purposes. We think the Chancellor will
need to put in more money for subsidies, and we call for an
international study to benchmark what subsidies others are
providing, so that we can ensure that our financial offer is
internationally competitive.
Yesterday, the Chancellor announced £2 billion for zero-emission
vehicles, batteries and associated supply chains over five years,
but those five years begin in 2025. That was part of a £4.5
billion fund for advanced manufacturing. We do not yet know, but
we assume, that the £2 billion extra is in addition to the £850
million already in the automotive transformation fund.
Presumably, that fund will be the mechanism through which new
funding is invested. There have been problems in the way the fund
has been administered, and there are crucial questions about the
timing of the funding, because the Government have only a very
short window to get the advanced manufacturing money moving.
The autumn statement also said the Government are
“unlocking new sources of finance for advanced
manufacturing.”
There was not a lot of detail about that, apart from a side
reference to the UK Infrastructure Bank. I know that the
Government’s priorities for the bank include investing in the
critical mineral supply chain, on which the Minister has been
working, but it is not yet clear what plans the Government have
in place to unlock that new finance.
The Government also announced a ministerial investment group that
will
“increase resourcing for the Office for Investment, strengthening
the UK’s world-class concierge service for investors.”
In our report, we recommended that the Department for Business
and Trade establish an office within the Department to bring
together the various bodies involved in getting gigafactory
investments to happen faster and more efficiently, so I hope what
the Government have announced will help to address that
point.
Our second key point was on energy and long-term certainty for
battery supply chains on accessing electricity at comparable
rates. From what we could see, there was nothing in the autumn
statement on that. That is a big concern across the battery
supply chain.
Thirdly, we wanted to see strategically important sites
designated. There is a tiny bit of progress on that, and I hope
the investment zone announced for the west midlands and around
Coventry airport will help ensure that there is progress in
Coventry. However, we wanted to see a bigger plan than simply
Coventry; we wanted to see the key sites that are needed across
the country designated.
Fourthly, we wanted to see real action on addressing skills gaps
across the battery supply chain and gigafactories specifically.
There is a tongue-twister in yesterday’s autumn statement: the
Government say that they are going to support
“plans to catalyse the growth sectors by committing £50 million
to deliver a two-year apprenticeships pilot to explore ways to
stimulate training in these sectors and address barriers to entry
in high-value standards.”
If we can interpret and understand what that might mean, and
ensure that the training funding is in the right places, we may
make progress, but right now we are not clear. Our key point was
that we want to see devolved funding to those areas where there
are gigafactory sites, so that they have the funding for adult
skills that they are going to need.
Our fifth conclusion was that we needed to secure tariff-free
access to global markets for electric vehicles so that we could
trade easily and well. We advised the Government to seek a
three-year extension to the rules of origin agreement with the
EU, because we certainly do not have the battery capacity we need
to meet those new rules, and we are not sure that Europe does
either, frankly, because of displacement of investment into
America.
Our sixth recommendation was about de-risking access to the
requisite critical minerals and supply chains. I know that the
Minister was working hard on that up to her flight home last
night. It is hugely important that we work closely with our
partners, particularly in Africa, to help unlock the $1.9
trillion of investment that is needed in critical minerals, and
to help build a processing industry in Africa so that we are not
critically dependent on countries such as China.
Finally, we need to continue something that I know the Government
believe in: putting research and development in battery
technology on a long-term footing. Power was always at the heart
of the industrial revolution, and it will be at the heart of the
green industrial revolution. It was Michael Faraday, the pioneer
of the electricity industry, who, when explaining this to
Gladstone, was greeted by the question, “Well, man, what is the
use of it?” to which Faraday answered, “Well, sir, there is every
chance that you may one day be able to tax it.”
We see the battery industry as mission-critical to safeguarding
and growing the huge numbers of jobs in the automotive industry
and the wider supply chains. The truth is that, if we are to
compete with Beijing, Bidenomics and Brussels, we will have to
raise our game. The time to do that is now.
(in the Chair)
I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his statement. Although it
has been thrilling for all of us to hear it, I would not want him
to be under the impression that he can make these statements only
in Westminster Hall. He can apply for time in the main Chamber,
and that may be something he wants to consider for the
future.
(Harrow West) (Lab/Co-op)
I commend the Select Committee for its work, and my right hon.
Friend the Member for Birmingham, Hodge Hill () for the way in which he
introduced the Committee’s report.
One issue, I want to touch on, which the report rightly
highlights, is the looming cliff edge in the trade and
co-operation agreement, with much tighter rules of origin for
electric vehicles from 1 January. As I understand it, Ministers
have still not set up a key working group on automotive parts,
which was agreed in the TCA. That group could have helped
industry to get heard a lot earlier and in its understandable
call, backed by the Committee, for a three-year extension to the
current rules of origin. Ministers seem to have gone quiet on
whether agreement will be reached on a three-year extension.
Indeed, the Prime Minister appears to have taken little interest
in what could be a significant drag on UK exports of electric
vehicles in the coming months. Will the Chair of the Select
Committee update the House on what he knows about the current
state of negotiations and Ministers’ current efforts to win a
three-year extension to the rules of origin?
I am grateful to my hon. Friend. As ever, he is on the money. The
rules of origin framework was put in place with the best
intentions, to try to incentivise people in Europe and the United
Kingdom to get gigafactory investments in place, but that has not
yet happened. We have a looming gigafactory gap in this country,
and if we do not negotiate an extension to the rules of origin,
we will have tariffs of up to 10% on some of our exports, which
will have a really serious impact on hundreds of thousands of
jobs. Given how much is at stake and how many jobs are in peril,
we were surprised to see almost no news about where the
renegotiation of the rules of origin had got to. That was one
reason why we stated it so clearly as a requirement in our
conclusions—so that the Government now have to go on the record
to explain to the House, and indeed the country, precisely what
they are doing.
(Strangford) (DUP)
I thank the Chair of the Select Committee for his statement. I
have a specific question, which I spoke to him about beforehand.
As I understand it, EV batteries used in the UK are likely to be
sourced from Europe and elsewhere, so we very much welcome talk
about British production of batteries. In my constituency of
Strangford—the Chair of the Committee has referred to
regionalisation, to which my question relates—there is much
interest in electric and hybrid vehicles, and many engineering
companies there are willing to get involved in the production of
batteries. I have asked about this in oral questions in the main
Chamber, but today I ask the Chair of the Committee the same
question: does he agree that there is an opportunity for Northern
Ireland and my constituency of Strangford to get involved in the
production of EV batteries, and that any legislation that comes
forward in this place must take on board, and extend to, the
devolved institutions as well?
I am grateful for that question. Although I do not have the
specific details of the opportunities in the constituency of the
hon. Member for Strangford (), the spirit of the Committee’s report is that we
need to be using industrial policy to do three things: to de-risk
supply chains, to decarbonise, and to decentralise the sources of
economic growth. That is why we are so clear about the need for
the Government to designate strategically critical sites for
gigafactories in the future. As to quite how many we need, the
Minister and I may have different views, but we know how much
capacity we need, and that can perhaps be delivered by between
five and eight gigafactories, depending on how much each factory
can produce. But the broad point is that we cannot be producing
batteries simply for the automotive industry; we need a wide
range of applications for them in the future.
Once we have designated the sites, we need to think about how
industrial policy helps to unlock the wide range of policy levers
that any place will need. That includes access to low-cost
electricity, skills, and incentives and subsidies to get
factories built in the first place. Of course, we then need the
trading arrangements, so that people can export and we can ensure
that the export of EV batteries is a real growth sector for our
economy. The point the hon. Member for Strangford made is
therefore absolutely the right one, and we have sought to provide
the checklist of things he needs to be asking of Ministers.
(Warwick and Leamington)
(Lab)
I thank the Chair and the Select Committee for putting together
such a comprehensive and valuable report. As the chair of the
all-party parliamentary group on electric vehicles and the
all-party parliamentary motor group, I agree with him: my
frustration is that we find ourselves behind our major
competitors—China, the US, Japan, Germany, France and many
others—in our capacity to manufacture battery units for electric
vehicles and other uses.
That is frustrating because, from what I sense from the report
and more widely, we have an energy advantage in the UK—indeed, we
should have a huge energy advantage over other nations. In my
constituency, National Grid reminds me of what we can do by
bringing green energy to this country through the
interconnectors. We also have organisations such as Warwick
Manufacturing Group, which is at the forefront of the development
of new battery units. We have two great advantages, but because
of what the Chair of the Select Committee describes as a lack of
industrial strategy, we are way off the pace.
I have a couple of points on skills—not just on the manufacturing
side, but in terms of what we will need up and down the country
in our franchise dealer network and other vehicle marketing
sites. In terms of what we need to do on infrastructure for the
consumer—
(in the Chair)
Order. The hon. Gentleman is meant to be asking a question, not
making a second statement. We are running out of time, so if he
could put a question to , might answer him.
I apologise, Mr Hollobone. My question is about infrastructure
for consumers. Also, I hear that Europe will perhaps grant us a
three-year extension on the issue of rules of origin, which would
be advantageous. Does my right hon. Friend know any more about
that? And what is his estimation of how long it will take the UK
to catch up with our major competitors, such as Germany and
France?
I commend my hon. Friend’s work; his leadership of the all-party
parliamentary group on electric vehicles and the all-party
parliamentary motor group has been so important in ensuring that
we in Parliament can benefit from informed debate.
We are two to three years behind our European competition, and we
therefore have to move quickly to catch up. The lack of certainty
has damaged confidence—moving the goalposts on phasing out petrol
engines, for example, has hurt confidence. Ultimately, despite
the public investment that needs to go into building things such
as gigafactories, the investment overwhelmingly comes from the
private sector, and when we damage confidence, we damage the
speed of that private investment. I am afraid that the Committee
came to the conclusion that the lack of an industrial policy has
hampered our ability to secure the needed investment.
It is not too late to catch up. There is a real risk that we
cannot win a subsidy race with the United States, or indeed
Europe, so we will need a smart policy framework—the seven things
I set out. They include devolved funding on skills and guarantees
around infrastructure and low-cost energy access. My hon. Friend
is absolutely right that there is a niche—in the global market,
it is a huge niche—for the UK to provide, build and sell
batteries built with low-carbon energy and with the highest
levels of integrity right through the supply chain. That is a big
opportunity for the UK, which we should be seizing with both
hands.
(in the Chair)
I thank the Chairman of the Select Committee for his statement.
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