Moved by Lord Sharpe of Epsom That the Grand Committee do consider
the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 (Extraction of
information from electronic devices) (Amendment of Schedule 3)
Regulations 2023. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home
Office (Lord Sharpe of Epsom) (Con) My Lords, the extraction of
information powers introduced in the Police, Crime, Sentencing and
Courts Act 2022 have provided a statutory basis for police and
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Moved by
That the Grand Committee do consider the Police, Crime,
Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 (Extraction of information from
electronic devices) (Amendment of Schedule 3) Regulations
2023.
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office () (Con)
My Lords, the extraction of information powers introduced in the
Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 have provided a
statutory basis for police and other authorised persons to obtain
information from electronic devices to support
investigations.
These powers came into force last November, along with a code of
practice that provides guidance to authorised persons to ensure
that the powers are used appropriately and effectively. They can
be exercised by the authorised persons named in Schedule 3 to the
Act. This is divided into three parts, which set out the
different purposes for which authorised persons may exercise the
powers. It is crucial that authorised persons extract information
only for the purposes set by the part of the schedule in which
they are placed.
At present, the Royal Navy Police, the Royal Military Police and
the Royal Air Force Police can extract information only for the
purposes set out under Section 37 of the Act:
“preventing, detecting, investigating or prosecuting crime …
helping to locate a missing person, or … protecting a child or an
at-risk adult from neglect or physical, mental or emotional
harm”.
These regulations will amend Schedule 3 so that the Royal Navy
Police, the Royal Military Police and the Royal Air Force Police
are moved from Part 2 to Part 1 of the schedule. This change will
allow these police forces also to extract information from a
deceased person’s electronic device, using the power in Section
41, for the purpose of an investigation or inquest into that
person’s death.
Electronic devices such as mobile phones contain a wealth of
personal information and can be helpful in an investigation when
someone has died in unexplained circumstances. Although data
protection regulations do not apply to deceased persons, we must
still ensure that information extracted from an electronic device
where the user of the device has died is handled appropriately
and sensitively. Additionally, an electronic device such as a
mobile phone or laptop is almost certain to contain information
about living people, so the authorised person will still need to
be satisfied that extracting such information is necessary and
proportionate.
The powers under Section 41 of the Police, Crime, Sentencing and
Courts Act 2022, much like the powers under Section 37 of the
Act, can be exercised only where the authorised person reasonably
believes that there is information on the device that is relevant
to the purposes set out under this section—in this case for an
investigation or inquest into a person’s death. It is vital that
these intrusive powers are available only to the authorities that
need them. When the Bill was passed, it was not yet agreed that
the Royal Navy Police, the Royal Military Police and the Royal
Air Force Police had sufficient investigative requirement to use
Section 41 powers or that their investigative needs could not be
met with other existing powers.
Having taken time thoroughly to consider their case, we are now
in agreement with these police forces that their investigative
duties meet the requirements for use of the powers and that,
without access to them, there may be a gap in their ability
lawfully to extract information in these circumstances. For this
reason, we are amending their position in Schedule 3 to ensure
that they can investigate the death of a person as thoroughly as
possible. This amendment will ensure that the Royal Navy Police,
the Royal Military Police and the Royal Air Force Police have the
same powers to extract information from electronic devices as
civilian forces. It will also provide them with the ability to
carry out their investigations as thoroughly as possible by
giving them the ability to extract information from a deceased
person’s device for the purpose of an investigation or inquest
into that person’s death.
I very much hope that noble Lords will support this amendment to
Schedule 3 of the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022.
I commend the regulations to the Grand Committee and I beg to
move.
(LD)
My Lords, this is a straightforward piece of secondary
legislation, adding the Royal Military Police, the Royal Air
Force Police and the Royal Navy Police to the list of people who
can exercise extraction of information powers under Section 41 of
the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022.
First, I declare what may be a tangential interest: I have a
son-in-law who flies jets for the RAF. I would never have thought
about it, but it is possible that his and my family would be
affected if Section 41 powers were to be used in the event of his
untimely death, if that were to happen.
I have two questions to ask the Minister. They relate to the
guidance in the extraction of information code of practice, which
was provided in relation to the Act and as a result of the words
of the Information Commissioner, who believed that this was
necessary. I am pleased that it is provided.
My first question relates to paragraph 69 of the guidance, which
talks about the use of a mobile phone device “around the time of”
the death of the person concerned. It uses the words “the user”.
Earlier, in relation to Section 37 of the Act, the code of
practice talks about where people are not necessarily the owner
of the phone or mobile device. It distinguishes clearly people
who own a phone from people who have a phone which is owned by
somebody else—something we parliamentarians know because we have
a parliamentarian phone that is not our property but is used for
all sorts of communication, as well as for the business of
Parliament. I do not expect the Minister to have an answer yet,
but could there be some clarification of paragraph 69 that refers
back to the earlier information given in the code of practice to
say exactly what it means about a shared-user phone?
My second question is about paragraph 90 of the code and current
practice among police forces to keep up to date with technology
in order to separate personal information from necessary
information related to the event being investigated—the death,
criminal event or whatever. Does the Minister have any
information about whether police forces of all sorts are using
similar technology? The real problem, which is quite obvious, is
that there is a variety of technological options available to
police forces and they may all be using different ones. That
means that they may not necessarily be able to do what is
required in the code of practice and keep up to date with
“the technology options available in their organisations”.
There may be a question here—again, the Minister may not be able
to answer it now—about whether the technology available to police
forces is of sufficient robustness to allow them to be ahead of
the game and whether there is one piece of software that is
recommended for police forces to use.
With those two questions, I am perfectly satisfied that this is a
sensible piece of legislation.
(Lab)
My Lords, I too am happy to say that this is a straightforward
statutory instrument, and we are happy to support it from the
Labour Party’s point of view. The SI adds members of the Royal
Navy Police, the Royal Military Police and the Royal Air Force
Police to those given the power to extract information from a
device after a user of that device has died, as part of an
investigation or inquest into the death, to investigate crime and
to safeguard others.
I think it is fair to ask the Minister why these police forces
were left out of the original Bill. Was there a particular
reason, or was the consultation process not complete?
The Labour Party tabled a series of amendments to the PCSC Bill
creating new checks on police powers to extract data from
electronic devices. This was due to concerns about vulnerable
people and the intrusive nature of these searches—in particular,
for rape and sexual abuse victims, who can feel that requests for
information, including digital information taken from their
phone, can be overly invasive and collect highly personal
information that is not relevant to the inquiry. It may make
people more reluctant to come forward to the police if they know
that they will get this interrogation of their phones.
I understand that this SI covers something different—cases in
which the owner of the device has died—and we are happy to
support this amendment. However, I would still like to ask the
Minister what assurance he can give about how devices and
information taken from them will be handled sensitively so as not
to discourage potential victims and witnesses from coming
forward.
There have also been serious concerns about digital resources and
the use of digital information by the police, outlined in the
report last year from His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary
and Fire & Rescue Services. Can the Minister give any update
on what action is being taken and whether any specific concerns
have been raised about the use of digital items by the forces
being given additional powers today? That is a more general
question; the two questions raised by the noble Lord, , are very pertinent, so I shall
be interested to hear the Minister’s response on shared-user
phones and what impact the measure would have on them, as well as
on the interoperability of different technologies and different
police forces, as I am sure that that will be a tripping block. I
am sure that it is not the intention to create any problems but
it is always difficult, in my experience, to get different
sources of technology to work together in a seamless way. That
seems to be a challenge facing businesses, police forces and
everybody battling with new digital technologies. However,
overall, we support this SI.
(Con)
My Lords, I thank both noble Lords who have spoken in this very
short debate. I shall address all the questions asked of me
shortly. Before I do that, I make the general point that the
introduction of extraction of information powers in the 2022 Act
and its code of practice are just the start of changes being made
to improve the experiences of victims involved in the criminal
justice system. These specific powers were introduced to ensure
that victims and witnesses who report crime can be confident that
their personal information will be handled appropriately and that
their privacy rights will be respected.
As has been discussed, the amendment relates to the extraction of
information from electronic devices when the device user is
deceased, so some of the issues debated during the passage of the
Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill are not available
there.
The noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, asked why it was not introduced
with regard to these police forces in the original iteration. As
I said in my opening remarks, at the time it was not agreed that
the Royal Navy Police, the Royal Military Police and the Royal
Air Force Police had a sufficient investigative requirement to
use Section 41 powers or that their investigative needs could not
be met with other existing powers. We have now taken the time
thoroughly to consider their case and are in agreement with those
police forces that their investigative duties meet the
requirements for the use of the powers. In short, it is about
ensuring that giving those police forces those powers is indeed
the proportionate and correct thing to do, which is why it has
taken a little bit of time.
On some of the more technical questions asked of me by the noble
Lord, , there is a broader debate here
about whether extraction of information from a personal device is
always necessary, given the risks to privacy. Of course, there is
a balance to be struck, which must be achieved when undertaking
any investigation. All reasonable lines of inquiry must be
followed to guarantee a fair trial with the right to privacy. As
I said in my opening remarks, it is vital that victims and
witnesses feel confident to come forward, but it is equally
important that police and other agencies have access to the
evidence that they need—I accept that there is no disagreement
about this—including mobile data, to fully investigate crime and
guarantee a fair trial.
Where information is being extracted from a deceased person’s
device, the authorised person must have reasonable belief that
the information on that device is relevant to an investigation or
inquest into that person’s death, and be satisfied that
extracting the information is necessary and proportionate. In
answer to the specific question about “the device”—whether it is
the owner’s own or one that just happens to be in use—I think it
is any device that happens to be in the deceased’s possession. If
I am wrong on that, I will of course come back and clarify. By
the way, I sincerely hope that it is never a personal matter.
4.00pm
On ensuring that the technology is, in essence, future-proofed in
the code of practice, the Extraction of Information from
Electronic Devices:Code of Practice will always be updated to
reflect changes being made to Schedule 3, but changes to the code
of practice can be made only by regulations made by statutory
instrument and require a duty to consult with others. It will be
updated when other significant amendments need to be made. I
think that covers future-proofing in its various forms. Of
course, it is very difficult to say whether the technology is
adequate until it has been invented.
(LD)
Just to interrupt the Minister for a second, I was asking whether
a common set of software is used across police forces.
(Con)
I am coming to that. There is a digital evidence programme,
because the Government are determined to address the challenges
associated with selectively extracting, analysing and reporting
digital evidence gathered in criminal investigations, as we have
been discussing.
We are supporting the Police Digital Service with £1.36 million
in 2023-24 to undertake work to better understand the challenges
in this area and to work with the private sector to develop and
test new technologies. The evidence programme has been set up
with a wide range of deliverables, including landscape reviews of
force capabilities and gaps; creation of a new RASSO tech
partnership board, bringing actors across policing together with
the private sector—please do not ask me what the acronym RASSO
stands for; development and testing of a range of private sector
tech products within police forces; and, through the ACE impact
lab process, working with technology companies to develop
innovative solutions to key RASSO problems. The work is focused
on solving the problems that victims experience and the selective
extraction, analysis and reporting of digital evidence. It is
fairly safe to say that all the questions asked of me by the
noble Lord will be covered under that piece of work.
(Lab)
I am sorry to interrupt the Minister again, but the acronym RASSO
stands for rape and serious sexual offences.
(Con)
I thank the noble Lord very much for that.
On the progress being made on recommendation 5 of the HMICFRS
report, which relates to budgets and the funding of digital
forensics, we have also set up a commissioning board, jointly led
by policing and the Home Office, to enable joint decision-making
around prioritisation and to increase the transparency of funding
decisions, including those in digital forensics, in line with
that recommendation. In addition, we are investing £11 million
into providing forces with technology that will enhance their
capability to carry out rape investigations quickly and to
provide a better service to victims.
I thank noble Lords very much for their questions. I hope I have
answered them; I think I have. In closing, I repeat my thanks for
the time taken to discuss and consider these issues. I once again
commend the regulations to the Committee.
Motion agreed.
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