Energy Bill [HL] Third Reading Relevant document: 4th Report from
the Constitution Committee The Lord Privy Seal (Lord True) (Con) My
Lords, I have it in command from His Majesty the King and His Royal
Highness the Prince of Wales to acquaint the House that they,
having been informed of the purport of the Energy Bill, have
consented to place their interests, so far as they are affected by
the Bill, at the disposal of Parliament for the purposes of the
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Energy Bill
[HL]
Third Reading
Relevant document: 4th Report from the Constitution Committee
The Lord Privy Seal () (Con)
My Lords, I have it in command from His Majesty the King and His
Royal Highness the Prince of Wales to acquaint the House that
they, having been informed of the purport of the Energy Bill,
have consented to place their interests, so far as they are
affected by the Bill, at the disposal of Parliament for the
purposes of the Bill.
Motion
Moved by
That the Bill do now pass.
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Energy
Security and Net Zero () (Con)
My Lords, I will update the House on the legislative consent
Motion process for the Energy Bill. The UK Government are seeking
legislative consent Motions from the devolved legislatures for
the Bill, in line with the Sewel convention. My officials are
working with devolved government officials and will continue to
do so throughout the Bill’s passage.
The Scottish Government have requested amendments to the Bill and
are currently withholding support for legislative consent. We
will of course continue to work with them regarding their
concerns. The Welsh Government have not yet laid a legislative
consent memorandum. It is not possible at present to obtain a
legislative consent Motion from the Northern Ireland Assembly,
but the UK Government are engaging with officials in the Northern
Ireland Civil Service. The UK Government welcome the interest
that the devolved Governments have shown in the Energy Bill and
will continue to work closely with them on proposed changes in
order to progress legislative consent Motions for the Bill.
(Lab)
My Lords, this huge Bill leaves the House in far better shape
than when it arrived. A combination of Labour, the Liberal
Democrats, other parties, individuals and, most importantly,
Cross-Benchers have secured measures that should see ISOP’s
independence assured, community energy export markets develop,
warmer homes and an efficiency plan to achieve that, the Gas and
Electricity Markets Authority strengthened, and the ceasing of
any further coal mining in this country—thanks to the noble Lord,
. It is to be hoped that the
Government will support these changes in the other place and will
not bring this Bill back for ping-pong. The range of supporters
across the House should be sufficient to convince the Minister to
back the changes to the Bill made by this House.
In the meantime, my thanks go to the Minister—remarkably, he has
stayed the course while his Government have changed leadership
three times and his Secretary of State twice since we began in
September 2022—and his advisers from BEIS, and subsequently
DESNZ, who have continually briefed and been available to answer
questions and clarify intentions as we wended our way through
this tome of a Bill.
My appreciation goes to my noble friend Lady Blake for her
continuing support and to the noble Lord, , on the Liberal Democrat
Benches, with whom it has been a pleasure to work on the Bill. My
thanks are also due to a number of Back-Benchers and
Cross-Benchers, mainly drawn from the Peers for the Planet group,
particularly including the noble Lord, , the noble Baronesses,
Lady Hayman, Lady Boycott, Lady Bennett and Lady
Worthington—sadly temporarily departed from this House—and my
noble friend . Thanks also go to the House
staff and the doorkeepers for arrangements during delays in
advancement of the progress of the Bill, which were not of their
making, and for keeping the quick-quick-slow dance rhythm to the
Energy Bill.
My biggest thanks go to the remarkable in Labour’s legislative team
of advisers for always being up to date with the progress of the
Bill, for his liaison with the other place and for his political
briefings and judgment, which allowed my noble friend Lady Blake
and me to keep focused on this Bill over a long period. We wish
it well on the next stage of its journey.
(LD)
My Lords, one of the things that strikes me most about the
passage of the Bill through this House is that it is has been the
opposition parties saying to the Government, “Get on with it. We
actually need this Bill through to give the powers that we need
to meet decarbonisation and modernise the energy production
system in this country”. I agree with the noble Lord, , that the amendments that have
been made by this House are absolutely in line with the
Government’s decarbonisation objectives. I hope that the Commons,
as well as the Government themselves, will consider them as
positive rather than negative.
I will not go through the long list of other Peers named by the
noble Lord, . What I will do is to say a
great deal of thanks to Peers for the Planet for its work in the
House, to the noble Lord, , and to the noble Baroness,
Lady Blake, whom I have enjoyed working with very much indeed.
From our own offices, I thank Sarah Pughe and Sarah Dobson.
We look forward very much to not having to play ping-pong on this
Bill. Maybe that is too much to hope for but I thank the
Ministers, the noble Lord, , and the noble Baroness,
Lady Bloomfield, for their co-operation during the passage of the
Bill. I also thank their teams. I look forward most of all to the
Bill being implemented, so that the country as a whole can move
ahead in its aims and objectives.
(Con)
My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend on steering such a major
Bill through. I am mindful of the fact that it was originally
going to be an energy security Bill. I know that I and a number
of noble Lords focused on the environmental aspects, particularly
the mitigation hierarchy. I welcome the fact that this is to be
enshrined in the levelling-up Bill, and look forward to pursuing
it further on that Bill with my noble friend on the Front
Bench.
I ask my noble friend to be mindful of the fact that the
Scandinavian countries, led by Denmark, have raised a flag about
Russian vessels masquerading as fisheries vessels. These are, it
is assumed, purposefully undertaking spying operations,
particularly to look at the underground cables and the major
offshore wind farm operations, notably operated by Denmark. I
understand that we are to have a major operation where a lot of
this work will co-ordinate around the Dogger Bank, so I urge him
to be mindful of the security risk associated with such a major
area of the North Sea, where we are extremely vulnerable to such
operations by Russian and other forces which may not be so
conducive to our energy security as we might wish.
(Lab)
My Lords, I am grateful to everybody who took part on the Bill
because I never expected to see carbon capture and storage—I am
the honorary president of its association—getting such a good
hearing in this House. I put on record my appreciation of the £20
billion that the most recent Budget has decided to expend on
carbon capture and storage. We cannot reach the targets on net
zero without carbon capture and storage; the noble Baroness, Lady
McIntosh, referred to the Danes, who are making fantastic
progress on that in their fields. My last point is that we have
the capability to capture 7,000 tonnes of carbon in the North Sea
and elsewhere. Only Norway has more capacity than that. There is
a great future here and, frankly, I am still pinching myself to
accept that this House has got behind the Bill. I thank everyone
who took part in it very much.
(CB)
My Lords, I feel that I should say something as everyone else
has. There will be two things and they are very brief. One is to
echo the hope that we will not have to fight battles again at
ping-pong on issues which are absolutely mainstream and in line
with the Government’s objectives. They are common-sense measures,
particularly on insulation and energy efficiency, and on the
remit of Ofgem. The other is that, in declaring my interest as
chair of Peers for the Planet, and simply because this is an
opportunity to thank those who give us support, I also record my
thanks to Emma Crane, Kyla Taylor and David Farrar at Peers for
the Planet for the work that they did on the Bill.
15:30:00
(Con)
My Lords, let me add my thanks to all noble Lords who contributed
to a very detailed and proper scrutiny of the Bill. We received
lots of helpful suggestions—some unhelpful suggestions as well,
but that is in the nature of the debate. Everybody engaged
positively in the process and has been very thoughtful in their
contributions. The Bill leaves this House in good shape.
Let me formally thank the Opposition Members, who have
co-operated well. It is fair to say that they had no grief with
the fundamental structure and idea of the Bill, but, as is the
nature of opposition, wanted to make some improvements and push
the Government to go a bit further. The Liberal
Democrats—particularly the noble Lord, Lord Teverson—along with
the noble Lord, , and the noble Baroness, Lady
Blake, have engaged really positively in the process and have
been constructive. I thank them.
Let me also thank the many Back-Benchers who took part, including
the noble Lord, , the noble Baroness, Lady
Worthington—who has sadly departed these shores for somewhere
sunnier and nicer—and the noble Baronesses, Lady Hayman and Lady
Liddell. I assure the noble Baroness, Lady Liddell, that I share
her passion for CCUS. She will have seen in the announcement just
before the Easter Recess that the Government are moving on with
the track 1 negotiations. I am sure she will welcome that. Many
across the House have contributed very much to the Bill and I am
extremely grateful for all their contributions.
She is sadly not with us today, but let me also thank my Whip, my
noble friend Lady Bloomfield, who has kept us all to order and
taken a number of groups through herself. We are all immensely
grateful that none of us managed to fall asleep during the
proceedings and were therefore spared some of her acerbic
interventions in such circumstances.
The Bill comes at a critical time for our country. Record high
gas prices, Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine and the
challenge of climate change all highlight why we need to work to
boost Britain’s energy independence and security through the
development of low-carbon technologies. Secure, clean, affordable
energy for the long term depends on a transformation of our
energy system.
That, fundamentally, is why we brought forward the Bill—the most
extensive piece of primary legislation in a decade. The Bill
delivers on our key commitments from the British energy security
strategy, the Powering Up Britain paper, which brings together
the energy security plan, the net-zero growth plan and the
net-zero strategy. All have come together in this legislation.
The Bill will help to drive an unprecedented £100 billion of
private sector investment by 2030 into new British industries and
support around 480,000 jobs by the end of the decade.
I must also thank the House of Lords Public Bill Office, the
House clerks, and the Office of the Parliamentary Counsel—Richard
Spitz, Lucy Baines and Ben Zurawel—for their extremely hard work
drafting the Bill. It is a very long piece of legislation.
My thanks also go to all the policy, analytical and legal
officials in the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero, the
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs and the
Department for Transport, for their expert advice and
resilience.
I also thank my Private Secretary, Angus Robson, the senior
responsible officer for the Bill, Jeremy Allen, and the expert
Bill Team: , Safia Miyanji, Nicholas Vail,
Salisa Kaur, Amanda Marsh, Abi Gambel, James Banfield, Matthew
Pugh, Laura Jackson, Anthony Egan and Phaedra Hartley. They are
extremely talented public servants. They worked long, hard and
tirelessly on this important legislation and we owe them all our
thanks.
Let me also thank the Department for Energy Security and Net
Zero’s departmental lawyers, in particular the lead lawyers Mike
Ostheimer and Martin Charnley for keeping me legally correct. It
is a tough job; somebody has to try and do it. They do it nicely,
well and tirelessly. That is the end of the debate so far in this
House. It is my extreme pleasure to hand it to my ministerial
colleague , who will commence the debate
in the House of Commons.
Bill passed and sent to the Commons.
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