Sir George Howarth (in the Chair) I will call Dr Kieran Mullan to
move the motion, and I will call the Minister to respond. As is the
convention for 30-minute debates, there will not be an opportunity
for the Member in charge to wind up. Dr Kieran Mullan (Crewe and
Nantwich) (Con) I beg to move, That this House has considered
police training entry routes. It is a pleasure to serve under your
chairmanship, Sir George. I am grateful for the opportunity
to...Request free trial
(in the Chair)
I will call to move the motion, and I
will call the Minister to respond. As is the convention for
30-minute debates, there will not be an opportunity for the
Member in charge to wind up.
(Crewe and Nantwich)
(Con)
I beg to move,
That this House has considered police training entry routes.
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir George. I
am grateful for the opportunity to discuss an area of policing
that is important to all our constituents: the question of how we
recruit people into the police.
Why is how we recruit people into the police so important? It is
because our model of policing—policing by consent—has at its core
the idea that our police forces are not separate from us; they
are us, drawn from our communities and all parts of our society.
I am proud to have grown up as a policeman’s son, and the
fulfilment I know that job gave my dad was based on serving the
public. It is a job that requires resilience, courage and a
strong belief that injustice should be stood up to. It is not
enough just to think that criminality is wrong; police officers
need to feel a calling to stand against people who undertake it.
When other people look the other way, police officers have to be
willing to run headlong into conflict and confrontation. I was
honoured to follow my dad’s footsteps and volunteer as a special
constable, and that experience, along with speaking to people
across the policing family, helps to inform my views.
Policing has no doubt changed. We ask our police forces to think
more about prevention, to engage with young people and to try to
get them onside, rather than just to keep them in line. Although
others and I would argue that good beat police officers have
always built good relations with their communities—it was not
necessarily called stakeholder engagement before, but it happened
none the less—this is a much more distinct formal part of the
role.
There is no doubt that the crime we have been fighting is
changing. Often the person stealing now is not stealing from a
shop, mugging people or burgling homes, although these things
still go on, and they are not from the local community. They are
stealing from behind a computer, often in another country.
However, we should not overstate the change and forget the
fundamental need for the police to be active in communities and
neighbourhoods, and to be among people. They need to be on the
high street at 1 pm and 1 am, on housing estates, outside pubs
and outside football matches, and vital to doing that effectively
is ensuring that police officers reflect their local
communities.
However we change the structure of policing going forward, there
will always be times when the police need to turn up in numbers
and with force, with people happy to step out of the office and
on to the frontline. That is why I and more than 100 Back-Bench
colleagues were concerned about plans to end the recruitment of
men and women to our police forces unless they had or wanted to
get a degree. I thank the Cheshire police and crime commissioner,
, and other police and crime
commissioners who are similarly concerned about this issue. I am
absolutely delighted that the Home Secretary responded to those
concerns positively and stopped that happening, but that is just
the first step in what needs to be a concerted effort to ensure
that policing always remains open to as wide a range of people as
possible, while looking to ensure that policing and its people
move forward with changing demands as patterns of criminality
change.
Cheshire Chief Constable Mark Roberts, Northampton-shire Chief
Constable Nick Adderley and , the police, fire and crime
commissioner for Northampton-shire, were among those who feared
the demise of the traditional non-degree entry route, and they
expressed their views clearly in a piece they wrote for The Times
earlier this month. They accepted that
“recent events have reinforced that change is necessary and that
a more robust approach to recruitment, development, vetting…is
needed.”
However, they argued in the article that
“it is crucial that the non-degree route remains”,
adding that
“the public want to see the most effective, trained and competent
police service possible”.
I agree: we need the best possible people from all walks of life
and different backgrounds. Everyone should feel that they have an
opportunity to join the police and succeed. As I said, police
forces need to reflect the populations they service.
The reality is stark: tens of millions of people do not have
degrees. A blanket decision that the entire future police
population should have them would create a force potentially
divorced from the experiences and lives of the people they seek
to police. A degree-only police force would, by definition, not
reflect the population. Those who advocated that introducing
degrees would attract a different sort of recruit were right, but
there are two sides to the coin. No matter the actual content of
a degree and whether it is more or less academic than people
expect it to be, calling for one will inevitably put off people
as well as attract them.
At a time when we are prioritising concerns around
representation, identity and the trust between police and
communities, it is crucial that we remain receptive to
individuals from diverse backgrounds and walks of life joining
our police forces. Speaking to those involved in police
recruitment across different parts of the country, I have heard
how the degree route has certainly attracted new and different
interest, but there has been a lack of interest from existing
groups, too. The impact may be different in each area—there is no
one size fits all—and that is why a mandated national approach
would have been wrong.
In my time, I met many special constables who had years of
experience on the beat as effective police officers. It would be
misguided to insist that they need a full degree to transition to
being regular officers. Similarly, there will be people from
other walks of life who could more readily be transitioned into
the job than through the degree-only routes: former members of
our armed services stand out, and police community support
officers are another example.
It is essential that training and education remain integral
components of the profession. In fact, I join others in urging
the college to consider awarding professional educational credits
for various type of training that officers undertake throughout
their careers, which include, but are not limited to, law exams,
public order training, firearms training, supervisory roles,
child protection, cyber specialisms and other unique skills. By
providing educational credits that lead to a level 6
qualification—that is, a degree—over time, we can motivate and
incentivise new recruits to strive for recognition and reach
their full potential, if that is how they want their career to
progress, and they can do it in a manner and at a pace of their
choosing. That can be important for some people—for example,
those who have childcare responsibilities and want to flex the
way in which they progress their qualifications.
It is misguided to attribute the recent differences in training
experience and diversity statistics solely to the use of newer
models of entry. It is likely that there are a wide variety of
factors at play, because all sorts of elements of police
recruitment focus and approach have changed at the same time.
There is no reason to think that similar improvements could not
have been achieved through the traditional entry route. I
understand that forces that made the transition to degree-only
have seen recruitment success in the short term, but I would
caution against concluding that it works as well in the long run.
Are we confident about the long-term retention of those recruits?
I have heard from existing officers that some of those recruits
are perhaps keen to get a degree in policing as a stepping-stone,
or that the job in the long run turns out not to be what they
expected. The need for many officers to be focused on the
frontline means that policing will always be a relatively flat
organisation, without room for high-flying promotions for
everyone. Are we confident that all our new recruits understand
that?
I must add that I have taken into account the concerns that
alternative entry routes can lead to police officers being away
from the frontline for extended periods. By upholding traditional
entry routes, chief constables can adapt a more balanced approach
to recruitment, which can allow them to mitigate that short-term
impact at the same time as increasing police numbers.
There are some concerns about creating a two-tier system, but I
do not think that that view holds water. In my experience, police
officers are comfortable with the job being one that presents
different opportunities for different people. Many officers never
take their sergeants exam or think about being a detective, and
they are just as valued as those who take the exams and seek to
progress their careers in different ways. That is the nature of
policing—it always requires many people who are happy to step up
and deliver on the frontline. That is why I and others were so
concerned, and why I welcome the steps that have been taken.
I encourage chief constables who may have felt that the change
was inevitable, and that they did not have a choice, to take the
opportunity to make their views known. I encourage the college to
revisit the issue, with a fresh perspective and in listening
mode. Flexibility is often a positive thing. I hope that we can
use this opportunity to continue to help policing move forward in
a way that allows our police forces to be drawn from and within
the communities that they seek to serve. I look forward to seeing
how the proposals develop, and I know that my Back-Bench
colleagues will follow developments closely.
(in the Chair)
Before I call , I remind him that the
Minister needs to be left with enough time to respond to the
debate.
4.08pm
(Broxtowe) (Con)
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir George. I
thank my hon. Friend the Member for Crewe and Nantwich (Dr
Mullan) for securing this Westminster Hall debate and allowing me
to speak.
Policing is a profession that I admire greatly. Police officers
dedicate their lives to ensuring that we as citizens feel safe in
our own communities. As a veteran, I believe that the commitment
and values of police officers are similar to those of people who
serve in the armed forces. As the roles have very similar
purposes, it is inevitable that a lot of the skills learned and
developed are directly transferable.
This similarity made me realise that we need a clear and
accessible route to encourage veterans to enter the police force,
so last year I organised a meeting with my hon. Friend the Member
for Aldershot (), who was then Minister with
responsibility for defence people and veterans; my right hon.
Friend the Member for North West Hampshire (), then Minister for Crime and Policing; the police
and crime commissioner; and the chief constable of
Nottinghamshire police. At that meeting, we all discussed this
military-to-police scheme.
The military service leaders pathway to policing course was the
result. It allows individuals leaving the armed forces and
serving in their resettlement period to join a 12-week programme
that fast-tracks them to the second year of the police constable
degree apprenticeship. Nottinghamshire police has its first
cohort in training from the Royal Navy, the Army and the Royal
Air Force. I am grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for Crewe
and Nantwich for securing this debate, because we need to make
sure that as many people as possible are aware of the police
training entry routes. We also need to continue to seek new entry
routes into the police force where possible.
4.10pm
The Minister for Crime, Policing and Fire ()
As always, Sir George, it is a pleasure to serve under your
chairmanship. I thank and congratulate my hon. Friend the Member
for Crewe and Nantwich (Dr Mullan) on securing this important
debate. Essentially, I have little to add to his comments. I
agree with everything that he said about the importance of
policing reflecting the communities that it serves, and the
importance of making sure that people from all backgrounds can
access policing, serve the public and keep us safe.
This is a good time to pay tribute to the police officers who
serve our communities up and down the country with bravery and
dedication. I am sure that the Members here will want to join me
in thanking police officers for their service, which often
involves them putting themselves in the line of danger, as we saw
with the tragic incident of the Police Service of Northern
Ireland officer who was shot just a short time ago.
Turning to more positive news, I am pleased to say that our
programme to recruit additional police officers is going well. By
31 December last year, we had recruited 84% of our target of
20,000 extra police officers to be recruited by March. As I have
said to the House previously, we are on track to have a record
number of police officers in England and Wales by next month—more
police officers than we have ever had at any point in our
country’s history. I am sure that our constituents will be very
happy to hear that.
Of course, it is important to make sure that police officers
represent the community more broadly. Of the new officers
recruited by December 2022, 43% were female, which is a
substantial increase from the previous figure of 36%, and 11%
were from ethnic minority backgrounds, which is an increase on
the 8.3% of the current workforce who are from ethnic minority
backgrounds. The diversity of the police workforce is
improving.
Regarding entry routes, I completely agree with my hon. Friend
the Member for Crewe and Nantwich. He acted as a very passionate
and powerful advocate on this issue a few months ago, expressing
his concern that we would lose the initial police learning and
development programme or IPLDP—the so-called “ippledip” entry
route—whereby people could join the police without a degree, and
without having to obtain a degree. My hon. Friend and others
expressed concern that the change would limit the accessibility
of policing, and that we would lose people who had the potential
to become very effective and capable police officers. The Home
Secretary and I listened to those concerns, which is why the Home
Secretary announced just two or three months ago that the IPLDP
entry route would remain open, alongside, of course, degree-based
entry routes, until such time as the College of Policing has
developed a new and improved replacement non-degree entry route.
It is doing that work at the moment. We are doing that because we
completely agree with the points that my hon. Friend made in his
excellent speech.
Both my hon. Friend and my hon. Friend the Member for Broxtowe
() referred to the armed
forces. I strongly agree that drawing from the armed services for
policing is a good idea. As my hon. Friend the Member for
Broxtowe said in his excellent speech, the values of both
services are very similar. I pay particular tribute to the police
and crime commissioner for Nottinghamshire, , who worked with my hon.
Friend, my predecessors and the previous Minister for the Armed
Forces—my right hon. Friend the Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed
()—to establish the
pilot scheme that is now running. I believe that work is under
way with the College of Policing to expand that scheme and take
it nationwide. I will certainly do everything I can to ensure
that happens as quickly as possible. It is an excellent route,
and we should do everything we can to facilitate and encourage
it.
Questions were raised around whether the officers being recruited
are likely to be retained. I am pleased to say that survey data
from the new officers is generally positive. Between 70% and 80%
of newly recruited officers have had a positive experience and,
critically, intend to make policing their long-term career. We
cannot be complacent—we have to ensure that they have a good
experience—but that survey data encourages us to believe that the
people we are recruiting view policing as a long-term career, and
have had a positive experience of it so far.
Dr Mullan
I recognise those statistics; they paint an initially positive
picture, and I do not want to take away from that. For me, the
question is whether those officers will still be there in five
years’ time. It is not so much about whether they are setting
themselves a goal, and want to stick around in the short term.
Will they be there five or 10 years from now? That is my
concern.
It is certainly our intention for those recruits to commit to
long-term careers in policing. We do not want a fast turnover; we
want them to build their skills. Policing offers a number of
opportunities. People tend to start in emergency response or on
neighbourhood policing teams, but there are a huge number of
interesting specialisms that can be developed thereafter, whether
they become a detective in the criminal investigation department
or a specialist in investigating a particular type of crime, or
undertake firearms training. That is besides the regular career
progression that comes through promotion.
We are keen to ensure that all police officers are valued and
looked after. That is why I chair the Police Covenant Oversight
Board. The police covenant is rather like the armed forces
covenant; it ensures that serving and retired officers are
properly looked after, for all the reasons my hon. Friend the
Member for Crewe and Nantwich referred to in his speech and
question. I completely share his views.
This is an important issue. We will have a record number of
police officers in the near future. I am pleased that both the
entry routes that we have discussed are open; that is right. I
pay tribute to my hon. Friend for assiduously, energetically and
persistently lobbying and campaigning on this topic. His personal
intervention made a real difference in securing a change of
policy and keeping the non-degree entry route open, when it had
been previously decided that it would be closed down. He can take
that away as a personal accomplishment.
I look forward to working with hon. Members from all parties to
ensure that the police force, having reached record numbers,
maintains them, and continues to serve and protect our
constituents the length and breadth of the country.
Question put and agreed to.
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