Sir Mark Hendrick (Preston) (Lab/Co-op) I beg to move, That the
Bill be now read a Second time. May I begin by thanking the former
Minister, the hon. Member for North East Bedfordshire (Richard
Fuller), who is in the Chamber, for his time and effort— I am also
grateful to civil servants for their time and effort—and for our
fruitful discussions, which have led me to introduce the Bill in
the Chamber? While the Bill does not cover the whole scope of what
I wanted to...Request free trial
(Preston) (Lab/Co-op)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
May I begin by thanking the former Minister, the hon. Member for
North East Bedfordshire (), who is in the Chamber, for
his time and effort— I am also grateful to civil servants for
their time and effort—and for our fruitful discussions, which
have led me to introduce the Bill in the Chamber? While the Bill
does not cover the whole scope of what I wanted to achieve, the
fact that the Government are willing to give their support to a
key part of my proposals and instruct the Law Commission to
conduct a review of legislation affecting co-operatives, mutuals
and friendly societies is, in my view, major progress.
I first became active in the co-operative movement 40 years ago,
when I bought a £1 share in the Norwest Pioneers Co-operative
Society in 1982. The society had evolved from the actions of the
original Rochdale Pioneers in 1884, and set up what is generally
regarded as the first successful co-operative retail venture. The
society was set up in the harshest times, when 19th-century
industrial capitalism was on the rise. It was an age of child
labour, exploitation and poverty. Sometimes owners of cotton
mills paid their workers in tokens, which could only be spent in
shops owned by the mill owners. In those shops, the food was
often adulterated, so those pioneers set up their first shop in
Toad Lane in Rochdale. It was an explicit example of self-help,
which started a movement that is now global.
Co-operative societies then mushroomed to form dozens of
co-operatives in many Lancashire towns and cities until the
1930s, when the Manchester, Salford and Stockport societies
amalgamated to form the North West Co-operative Society. In July
1982, what became the Norwest Co-operative Society merged with
the Pioneers Co-operative Society to form the Norwest Pioneers. I
bought a share later that year. I would never have dreamed that
40 years later I would have the opportunity to stand here and
propose a new piece of legislation that could help to preserve
and protect members’ assets accumulated, in many cases, over
generations from potential predators who, in recent decades, have
sought to take away those assets from members for their own
personal profit and gain. That matters to me because co-operation
and mutuality are about equity and fairness. The growth of
co-operatives in the UK is an integral part of the levelling-up
agenda; it can provide many thousands of new jobs in the economy;
and it is complementary to the Government’s growth agenda.
Alongside investor-owned firms, co-operatives, mutual insurers
and friendly societies have an important part to play in the
biodiversity of our economy. These businesses share their origins
in self-help movements that are relevant to the economic and
social challenges that people face today.
(Bosworth) (Con)
The hon. Gentleman is making a fantastic speech. In my
constituency, in Hinckley and Bosworth we have several building
societies spawned from the fact that we had shoe manufacturing
there. Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is fantastic to have
a mix of options for people? These organisations will often pick
up people who may not be able to get finance and support they
need, but because they have that local community connection they
are able to make that judgment and give people the support they
need; that should be welcomed.
I agree and commend the hon. Gentleman for his comments.
Co-operatives spring up from local communities; they are
bottom-up, grassroots organisations—certainly not top-down.
As I said, alongside investor-owned firms, co-operatives, mutual
insurers and friendly societies have an important part to play in
the biodiversity of our economy. They need a business environment
that facilitates this: Government policy that understands and
supports the mutual business difference; and legislation that is
up to date, flexible and permits co-operatives, mutuals and
friendly societies to undertake their purpose of serving their
members’ needs in the best way possible. Only by working in a
modern and supportive business environment will co-operatives,
mutuals and friendly societies be able to make a full
contribution to the prosperity of our country by serving the
interests of customers and citizens. Yet demutualisation remains
a real and present threat to the mutual sector, which is,
unfortunately, incentivised by the system.
My Bill is about giving mutuals the option to maintain mutual
capital for the purpose it was intended. There is a fundamental
distinction between the rights of members of a mutual society and
members of an investor-owned company. Members of a
company—shareholders—have the right both to a pro rata share of
distributed profits, or dividends, based on their shareholding,
and also to a pro rata share of the underlying value of the
company. The more capital they own, the greater their share of
the profits and of the value of the company. Members of a mutual
society, by contrast, generally have neither of these rights,
because in mutuals profits are generally not used as a mechanism
for rewarding capital, and members of a mutual do not have any
expectation of any entitlement to a share in the increased value
of their society.
Since members of a mutual are not entitled to any share of its
increased value, the amount by which the net asset value of a
society exceeds the capital provided by members—commonly referred
to as the “capital surplus on a solvent winding up”—has no
specific owner. It is effectively a legacy asset, held by the
society for future generations, and enables it to provide for,
and invest in, its future. It is a core part of its mutual
identity. It represents the trading surplus accumulated by
previous generations of members participating in their society’s
business, in which they were always content to have no personal
share. By implication, it is held for the benefit of future
generations. Societies were originally set up not to make a
capital surplus to reward members, but to provide goods and
services for those who need them; that was the purpose, and this
was the basis upon which previous generations have taken part in
the trade.
Seen through the lens of investor-ownership, a capital surplus is
a tempting asset—a windfall or unearned profit —which, if mutual
members were to be replaced by investor-shareholders, could be
shared out among those shareholders. Capturing this asset is the
usual incentive for a “demutualisation”, which is when a capital
surplus or legacy asset is divided up between shareholders—when
the mutual agreement between the former members, whereby they
engaged in their society on the basis that they would not
personally profit from its trade, is broken up. In short, it is
when a mutual purpose for the common good is replaced by a
profit-driven purpose for private benefit.
In UK law there is no generic or principled recognition of the
value to wider society of mutuality or of the legacy asset of a
mutual society. As a result, the ability to access legacy assets
actively incentivises demutualisation.
(Warrington South) (Con)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his speech and very
supportive of his Bill. He talked about how the Bill would
protect mutuals and co-operatives. Will he give us some examples
of when things have gone as he suggests they could and some
assets have been used for other purposes? I think that is at the
heart of it, and any examples would be welcome.
I thank the hon. Member for his intervention. Actually, I will
come to that later in my speech.
Provided that the relevant formal procedures are completed,
including securing consent from a statutory minimum threshold of
members, a demutualisation cannot be stopped. That threshold has
been changed from time to time for different types of mutual
societies to make demutualisation less likely, but those measures
provide only partial protection. There is currently no statutory
mechanism for ensuring that surpluses, which previous generations
never intended to be a private reward for anybody, remain
committed to that wider public purpose.
At the moment, legislation governing mutuals can incentivise
demutualisation by permitting those legacy assets to be
distributed. Legacy assets have often been built up over many
generations of membership and can constitute a significant part
of the working capital of the business. Current members typically
have not contributed to that capital base but have enjoyed the
benefits of previous years of successful trading. Most
demutualisation attempts succeed, assisted by a significant power
imbalance between the boards of mutuals and members.
The example of Liverpool Victoria last year shows that
demutualisation attempts can, however, be defeated, even when
proposed by a mutual’s board. We should be wary of the interests
that private equity is showing in mutuals across the world,
attracted by the prospect of acquiring significant assets built
up by generations of members. At present, it is not possible for
an existing society, or those setting up a new society, to
proscribe demutualisation. That leaves mutuals vulnerable to
those simply aiming to liberate those legacy assets, sharing them
out among people as they choose, and converting the business into
an investor-owned company. That has resulted in much of the UK
building society sector being lost and their businesses either
failing or transferring to non-UK ownership. That has been bad
for mutuality and bad for the economy, given the damage that it
has caused to corporate diversity.
Demutualised former building societies were mostly absorbed into
banks that failed during the financial crisis. None of the
demutualised former building societies continued for long as an
independent bank. They became part of larger listed banking
groups or, in the cases of Northern Rock and Bradford &
Bingley, failed in the financial crisis and were later
nationalised. Moreover, those demutualisations converted some of
the largest building societies at the time. The argument for
demutualisation has proved to be bogus. It has not delivered the
strong independent businesses that it was supposed to do, and the
need for more capital is soon forgotten as the newly proprietary
entities are generally merged into larger firms.
Diversity of ownership types and business models creates a
corresponding diversity in forms of corporate governance, risk
appetite and management, incentive structures, policies and
practices, and corporate behaviours and outcomes. It also offers
a wider choice for consumers and enhances competition that
derives in part from the juxtaposition of different business
models.
Legislation is needed to help UK mutuals to preserve their legacy
for the purposes for which they were intended, to maintain and
encourage greater corporate diversity, and to build a more
resilient economy. Mutuals need to be able to incorporate
appropriate measures into their constitutions which have a
statutory basis, either at the point of establishment or
thereafter, with an appropriate level of member approval. This
will be even more important if the legislative reforms for
co-operative and community benefit societies explained above are
taken forward. To optimise the successful implementation of new
legislation, properly recognising legacy assets for the benefits
they bring will be an important ingredient for building
confidence.
Many jurisdictions have acted to preserve mutual ownership by
ensuring that assets are used only for the purpose for which they
were intended. That ensures they cannot be distributed to members
or third parties, and thus disincentivises demutualisation.
Mergers, dissolutions and transfers of business are still
permitted, so this arrangement does not hamper the evolution of
business in any way. Ideally, such measures will be universal,
but in some legal traditions that is considered problematic as it
arguably alters members’ ownership right retrospectively. It is
not desirable to cut and paste legislation between different
traditions, so solutions are required that respect the culture of
different legal frameworks. To deal with that, simple legislation
can be introduced in common law jurisdictions that would give
every mutual the right to choose a constitution that preserves
legacy assets for the purpose they were intended.
My Bill does that. My Bill disincentivises the raiding of legacy
assets. Voluntary legislation will ensure that legacy assets are
preserved for the purpose for which they were intended. It
empowers mutual members to decide what should happen to assets on
a solvent dissolution. It would match the best legislation that
exists in many other countries. My Bill also: introduces a
voluntary power to enable a mutual to choose a constitutional
change, so that its legacy assets would be non-distributable;
details precisely the destination of any capital surplus on a
solvent winding up; outlines the procedures necessary to include
such provisions in a mutual’s rules; and inserts a statutory
provision for the relevant rules to be unalterable. My Bill will
define the capital surplus as the amount remaining after
deducting a mutual’s total liabilities from its assets, including
repayment of members’ capital.
The hon. Gentleman is making a fantastic speech on how to protect
from demutualisation, but it seems a very defensive way of
looking at things. Will the Bill provide a chance for new
innovations and further capital to be brought into the sector to
help its members?
I thank the hon. Gentleman again for intervening. One proposal I
did not take up and put to the Government was the idea of a new
share for co-operatives that would allow them to develop in a way
that they have not been able to before. Unfortunately, the
Government are not at the moment able to do that, but it would
bring in the additional capital to encourage the growth he talks
about. I understand from the Government that it will be
considered as part of a Law Commission review of the sector. The
issue is on the agenda; it is just not included in the Bill at
the moment.
My Bill will introduce new provisions to maintain the destination
of the capital surplus to ensure that where a mutual’s rules make
the capital surplus non-distributable, any resolution to convert
it into, amalgamate with or transfer engagements to a company
shall also include a provision to transfer the capital surplus,
as provided by the rules in the event of a solvent winding up.
With the support of the House, we will be able to incorporate
sensible amendments that ensure that this legislation works for
the co-operative and mutual sector, and fits in with the
Government’s stated policy objectives.
In finishing, I would like to thank the Minister and his
officials for their time devoted to holding discussions and their
help in re-drafting parts of my Bill to our mutual satisfaction.
I thank Peter Hunt and Mutuo for their help, advice and expertise
throughout the time we have been working together on the Bill,
and I thank the Co-operative party and the co-operative
societies, mutuals and friendly societies that have engaged with
me to give me the encouragement and enthusiasm to get to this
stage. I look forward to working with parliamentarians from
across the House to get the Bill through the forthcoming stages
required to bring it into law.
Before I sit down, Mr Speaker, I would like to declare an
interest as a Co-operative Member of Parliament and as a member
of a co-operative society.
10.04am
(Darlington) (Con)
I congratulate the hon. Member for Preston ( ) on moving the Second Reading
of his Bill. Having had the pleasure of introducing my own
private Member’s Bill in the last Session, I know only too well
what a privilege it is to be drawn in the ballot.
I thank the hon. Gentleman for taking the opportunity to raise
the important issue of co-operatives, mutuals and friendly
societies, which colleagues across the House have raised on
several occasions. My hon. Friend the Member for Wycombe (Mr
Baker) led a Westminster Hall debate on the issue last December,
emphasising the opportunity to generate wealth through
co-operatives and mutuals and the role that they can play in our
levelling-up agenda. I know that the chair of the all-party
parliamentary group for mutuals, the hon. Member for Harrow West
(), has endorsed the principles
of the Bill; I commend the APPG’s work to champion co-operatives,
mutuals and friendly societies.
“Mutuals” is an umbrella term for organisations whose members
have democratic control of their business and that are owned by
and run for the benefit of members, with profits reinvested in
the organisation or among the membership. They include
co-operatives, mutuals and friendly societies, but for ease of
reference I will use the umbrella term “mutuals.”
Mutuals are fantastic business vehicles and are at the forefront
of good behaviour when it comes to investing in people,
developing skills and creating opportunities. Moreover, a range
of co-operative models are increasingly being used as tools for
community-led economic development, with people collaborating and
pooling resources to improve their economic and social
circumstances. Alongside that, educating and developing members
is one of the fundamental principles of the co-operative model
and is critical to making it effective. Mutuals are positioned as
a potential tool to leverage the community support that we need
to ensure that levelling up is a success in communities such as
Darlington, and no doubt in the constituency of the hon. Member
for Preston.
As I understand it, the UK has a comparatively smaller mutual
sector than some other European economies. In its 2021 report,
Co-operatives UK showed that there were more than 7,200 co-ops in
the UK, employing approximately 250,000 people and with a
combined turnover of £39.7 billion. In 2017, an estimated 11% of
the UK’s insurance market was provided by mutuals, compared with
52% in France and 47% in Germany. I also understand that the
sector has been largely resilient to the problems caused by the
covid-19 pandemic, and I welcome the 1.2% growth in the number of
co-ops in 2020-2021.
The sector faces a number of challenges. Unlike companies and
banks, mutuals are largely dependent on bank borrowing and on
their own revenues, as they are unable to sell shares without
losing member control. The ability of the UK’s mutual sector to
expand is therefore limited by its access to external finance. As
the Ownership Commission noted in 2012:
“Legal limitations prevent many mutuals from raising…capital sums
from their members.”
The commission made three recommendations: that new capital
instruments should be introduced to allow mutuals to raise
external capital, that mutuals should be able to issue bonds to
members, and that they should be able to count deferred shares as
tier 1 capital if trading as a bank or building society. I would
be grateful if the Minister outlined the Government’s current
thinking on those recommendations.
Many colleagues across the House will have received
correspondence from constituents who are concerned about the
proposed demutualisation of the financial services firm Liverpool
Victoria. In December 2020, LV announced that US equity firm Bain
Capital was in talks to acquire the business. The sale would have
included the demutualisation of LV, with the mutual becoming a
public limited company owned by shareholders rather than by
members. I understand that LV’s chief executive argued that such
a move was necessary to ensure the continuation of the business.
However, in December last year the sale failed to gain the
required support of 75% of LV members, with only 69% voting in
favour. The potential need to demutualise LV exposes the
difficulties that mutuals face when they need to raise capital.
To protect those jobs, what action have the Government taken to
ensure that LV can continue operating?
As I understand it, the Bill proposes legislative changes for
share capital and non-distributable capital surplus. It would
give mutuals the option of adopting a statutory provision
guaranteeing that their residual capital surpluses are not
distributable among members. The term “capital surpluses” means
residual equity minus members’ shareholdings and share interest.
The provisions would not interfere with mutuals’ ability to pay
profits to members or to pay interest on share capital. I
understand that the Bill would also enable mutuals to issue
equity shares that are repayable at the option of the mutual,
rather than being withdrawable at the option of shareholders. At
present, mutuals looking to raise equity are hampered by legal
uncertainty as to whether they can repay non-withdrawable shares
at their option.
In preparing for this debate, I have been interested to read
about comparable legislation abroad. Australia’s Treasury Laws
Amendment (Mutual Reforms) Act 2019 introduced new mutual capital
instruments. I understand that, previously, mutual companies did
not have the power to issue such shares. Under the 2019 Act,
share owners in Australia are limited to one vote per member
regardless of how many MCIs the owner holds. The Act also
introduced a clarification that the issuing of MCIs does not
amount to demutualisation by the organisation for tax purposes, I
would be interested to hear the Minister’s thoughts on that Act
and its relevance to any legislation that might be appropriate
for the UK’s mutuals sector.
It would be remiss of me not to mention a fantastic example of a
mutual in Darlington and to praise the work it does in and around
Darlington. Darlington Building Society was established in 1856
and now has nine branches across the north-east, County Durham
and North Yorkshire. It describes its mission as being
“to develop our staff, technology, customers, brand and place
ourselves at the heart of the communities we serve.”
This is a mission it undoubtedly achieves.
In September, a new play area, funded with a £15,000 donation
from the Darlington Building Society, was unveiled at a Teesside
school run by the North East Autism Society, which also freed up
its staff to volunteer on my project to build a playground in
Skerne Park in Darlington. I am also delighted that Darlington
Building Society has announced a five-year deal to sponsor a new
exhibition hall that will become a key feature of the Darlington
rail heritage quarter, a £35 million project to create a national
visitor destination as we fast approach the 200th anniversary of
the Stockton and Darlington railway in 2025, marking the birth of
the modern railway and a moment in history that changed the
world. To quote Andrew Craddock, chief executive of Darlington
Building Society:
“At Darlington Building Society, we are passionate about helping
the members we have today, but we are also committed to
encouraging the members of tomorrow to get into the saving habit.
That’s why financial education is such an important part of what
we do. As well as going into local schools, The Exhibition Hall
will give us fresh opportunities to stage educational workshops
in an engaging environment that is steeped in history.”
I warmly welcome this commitment to preserving and showcasing our
local rail heritage in Darlington.
Darlington Building Society also has a long-term commitment to
donate 5% of its profits to good causes, as well as freeing up
staff time to volunteer in the community. In 2022 the building
society has so far donated a total of £172,000 to local charities
and community organisations. In September alone, Darlington
Building Society donated £36,050.
If you will indulge me, Mr Speaker, that donation included:
£8,000 to help combat food poverty this Christmas by providing
200 families with food hampers; £5,000 for Rubies GLOW project,
which provides a safe space for girls to meet, receive support
and develop self-confidence; £5,000 for Red Balloons, which helps
to promote positive mental health through exercise and free
guided walks; £7,200 for Wheels 2 Work, which is helping more
than 40 people get into and stay in employment by providing
mopeds and scooters; £2,400 for Studio Burn Fitness; £4,200 for
Trinity Youth; £2,000 for Beyond Limits; £1,000 for Angel Trust;
£500 for the North Yorkshire scout council; £250 for the
Cockerton community business group; and £300 for Darlington
Railway Athletic football club.
I would also like to draw the House’s attention to Darlington
Credit Union, a community financial co-operative founded in 2009,
following the merger of four smaller credit unions. Since then,
it has grown to serve the whole of the north-east. It performs a
vital community function, by being a source of affordable loans,
which help people to avoid loan sharks. Darlington Credit Union
faced an uncertain future in the wake of the pandemic, but
Darlington Building Society, another of our mutuals, came to the
rescue by providing crucial financial support and ongoing expert
guidance on a voluntary basis. That really is a testament to how
embedded in the community Darlington Building Society is. That is
just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the community work
that Darlington Building Society engages in, and were I to list
all of its achievements, I fear I would be on my feet all day. It
is a fantastic example of the good that mutuals can do in our
communities, and I want to put on the record my praise for its
work in Darlington.
Returning to the Bill, I want to be clear that I fully support
its principles. As I have outlined, mutuals have a hugely
important role to play in our communities, in terms of education,
engagement, charity and, fundamentally, the financial services
they offer. It is also hugely important that we ensure that there
is diversity in the financial services sector and that mutuals
are able to raise the capital they need more easily without the
need for demutualisation. I also note that both Co-operatives UK
and Mutuo, an advocacy organisation for mutuals, also support the
principles and aims of the Bill. There is clearly a significant
appetite for reforms for the mutuals sector. I also note that
Co-operatives UK has suggested that these reforms would have a
significant economic benefit if they were to be introduced. I
trust that the Minister has taken full note of that and will
engage with the mutuals sector further on the matter.
I am pleased to be able to support this Bill, and I am grateful
to the hon. Member for Preston for giving us the opportunity to
debate these issues today. I know that he will continue to engage
closely with Ministers as he continues to guide this Bill through
its legislative journey, and I trust that the Minister will have
listened closely to the contributions from across the House
today. I look forward to his response.
Mr Speaker
We hear about the benefits of Darlington Building Society—it
sounds as good as Chorley!
10.17am
(Cardiff North) (Lab)
I am so pleased to see this Bill here today. As a proud Co-op
Member, I truly hope it progresses to the next stages. I am also
proud to have played my small part in getting it to where it is
today. It is a version of the private Member’s Bill I brought
forward in 2020, so to see it proceed to the next stage would be
incredibly heartening. Legislation that supports positive social
and economic transformation has never been more necessary. As we
live through turbulent times, politically and economically, it is
essential that we create the right regulatory framework from
which we can safeguard and grow our economy. There is a need to
facilitate and to protect new capital in co-operatives, without
compromising their co-operative nature and without members losing
control. As we know, several barriers prevent co-operatives from
growing to their full potential and place them at a disadvantage,
at risk of demutualisation. This Bill provides a way to ensure
that co-operatives and mutuals are not compromised.
The co-operative model is truly a British success story, as my
hon. Friend the Member for Preston ( ) has ably explained. It is
also truly a Welsh one and it has been at the heart of economic
renewal in Wales. Robert Owen, a prominent Welsh textile
manufacturer, was one of the founders of the co-operative
movement, with the creation of the villages of co-operation.
Co-operation is a way of life in Wales. I am proud that in Wales,
and under a Welsh Labour Government, we hold the values of
co-operation, fairness and social responsibility closely within
our communities and in how we govern.
It would have been nice to see the full version of the Bill
proceed today to enable the raising of investment and shares. I
hope we see that in future. I truly support and warmly welcome my
hon. Friend’s groundbreaking Bill and congratulate him on
bringing it forward.
10.20am
(Heywood and Middleton)
(Con)
I congratulate the hon. Member for Preston ( ) on bringing forward the Bill
and I thank my hon. Friend the Member for North East Bedfordshire
() for the amount of work he
did on it —he has a lot to be proud of.
I should declare an interest: my Heywood and Middleton
constituency is located in the Metropolitan Borough of Rochdale
and includes the western third of the town. As Members will be
aware, Rochdale is the home of co-operativism—I am almost certain
I can hear someone furiously typing on Twitter to tell me that it
did not start in my constituency, but we were certainly among the
first—so this subject is very dear to me.
I have something else in common with the hon. Member for Preston:
we are both alumni of Salford City Council, along with the
much-missed and the formidable . Members can tell from that
list that I am a bit of an outlier, as I sit on the Conservative
Benches—
The Economic Secretary to the Treasury ()
For the moment!
There is form now for Greater Manchester MPs. [Interruption.] No,
you are welcome to him.
Having begun with the founding of the Rochdale Society of
Equitable Pioneers in 1844, the Co-operative Group is now a major
employer nationwide, and particularly in Greater Manchester.
Co-operativism is at the heart of our town and plays an important
part in our wider national identity. It gives agency to workers,
ensures fair trade practices and drives up the quality of
products and services. The Rochdale principles by which most
co-ops are guided—equity, anti-discrimination, participation and
democratic control—are fundamentally British principles. The
co-op was the at the nexus of modern society in this country. It
educated people, gave them a voice and treated them as partners
in their endeavours at a time when most workers could only dream
of that kind of relationship with their employer.
As I said, co-operatives are not the only thing the hon. Member
for Preston and I share, and Salford City Council is actually now
a co-operative council, as he will know. When we discussed how to
bring the Government’s localism agenda to Salford, it was decided
that the best way to proceed was as a co-operative council. That
change has been hugely successful in including Salford’s citizens
in the way we run things. It has created credit unions and given
people control over things such as childcare by making it
affordable and accessible. There is a huge amount of benefit in
how co-operatives work.
I am pleased the legislation acknowledges that although the
co-operative movement started in the 1840s and is still going in
the modern era, it needs a bit more flexibility to operate in the
society in which we now live. Collectively, co-operatives and
mutuals are worth roughly £40 billion to the economy and
represent 250,000 jobs; the sector is relatively small compared
with some of its foreign cousins, so there is a bit of work to
do. More co-operatives would bring huge amounts of extra economic
benefits to this country. There is a traditional view that
because the Co-operative party is associated with the Labour
party, co-operativism is a left-wing ideal, but it is not: it is
apolitical in its operation. It is just a way to ensure that
people can participate fairly in their endeavours.
The Bill will give co-operative societies the option to adopt a
statutory provision that guarantees that their residual capital
surpluses are non-distributable among members, without
interfering with co-operative societies’ ability to distribute
profits to members or to pay interest on share capital. It also
has the potential to enable significant new investment,
innovation and development in a wide range of co-operatives. The
hon. Member for Preston pointed out that that will be part of the
review, and I would like to see that as well. It is a bit of a
win-win: if we can make co-operatives more agile and economically
flexible, that can only be a good thing. By creating more optimal
conditions for investment and asset growth in co-operative
societies, setting the right boundaries and engaging with the
appropriate motivations of entrepreneurs, members and investors,
and preventing perverse incentives to destroy co-operative
values, such as unnecessary demutualisation, the position of
existing co-ops will be enhanced, offering greater market
agility, boosting business investment and committing more capital
surpluses to reinvest in economically, environmentally and
socially productive enterprise. The Bill will enable societies to
issue equity shares that are repayable at the option of the
society, rather than being withdrawable at the option of
shareholders. At present, societies looking to raise equity are
hampered by legal uncertainty as to whether they can repay
non-withdrawable shares at their option. Again, this should
enhance the position of co-ops by reducing financial costs in the
sector.
I thank the hon. Gentleman for introducing the Bill and providing
options for a modern, more agile framework for co-operatives and
mutuals to operate. I am very much looking forward to supporting
this Bill as it goes forward.
10.25am
(Hastings and Rye)
(Con)
It is a pleasure to speak on this Bill, which was introduced in
this House on 15 June by the hon. Member for Preston ( ), and I congratulate him on
that.
Essentially, the Co-operatives, Mutuals and Friendly Societies
Bill aims to make it easier for co-operatives to get more
investment while retaining their democratic structures, ensuring
that they work in the interest of, and are owned by, their
members. It also brings friendly societies law up to date and
establishes tax neutrality for mutuals’ deferred shares.
I am proud of the work of mutuals such as the Hastings Mutual
Insurance Company and the Hastings and East Sussex Building
Society. The now de-registered Hastings Pier Charity in Hastings
and Rye has done some great work locally. But I am not on an
expert on them, so I did a bit of research before today. I was
interested to learn that the term “mutual” is used as an umbrella
term for several different ownership models. Mutuals are often
described as being characterised by the extent to which members
have democratic control of the business and share in its profits,
in contrast to investor-controlled companies. This is a bit of a
misleading distinction; all limited companies really operate for
the benefit of their members—the shareholders who invest in a
company limited by shares or the guarantors of a company limited
by guarantee. These members are involved in the control of the
business whether directly or through the scrutiny of the actions
of the directors, or simply by buying and selling shares in
response to the company’s performance.
The distinguishing characteristic of a mutual is that the
organisation is owned by and run for the benefit of its members,
who are actively and directly involved in the business—whether it
is employees, suppliers, or the community or consumers that it
serves—rather than being owned and controlled by outside
investors.
Mutuals can be based on a variety of different legal structures.
Even limited companies, partnerships and limited liability
partnerships are essentially mutual because the partners own and
run the business for their own benefit. There is also an
incorporated legal structure, which is specifically mutual: the
industrial and provident society. There are two types of these:
co-operative societies and community benefit societies.
Co-operative societies operate for the benefit of their members,
and distribute any surplus not reinvested in the business to
those members. Community benefit societies conduct business for
the benefit of their community. Any profits are not distributed
among members, but returned to the community. They therefore
provide a legal structure designed for social enterprise.
However, not all co-operatives use those legal structures and
many are, in fact, limited companies.
Although mutual ownership models may not be appropriate for all
businesses, evidence shows that mutual models can form the basis
for high-performing, profitable businesses, and deliver genuine
business advantage. For example, mutual ownership can help to
ensure that decisions are focused on the long-term sustainability
of the business. Employee-owned mutuals often involve some form
of employee engagement and participation, allowing employees a
say in the running of the company. This can help to align the
interests of management and employees, increase motivation and
job satisfaction, and can be a means to raise new capital without
going public.
Mutual ownership models and social enterprises offer a way for
communities to share the wealth that businesses create more
widely in the community, and, indeed, for communities to come
together to solve problems. In Hastings and Rye, we have a number
of successful and evolving social enterprises, including White
Rock Neighbourhood Ventures, which is a joint venture between
three social enterprise organisations: Meanwhile Space CIC,
Jericho Road Solutions and Heart of Hastings CLT.
White Rock Neighbourhood Ventures owns Rock House, which was
redeveloped as a mixed-use project, breathing new life into a
previously underused building situated in the White Rock area of
Hastings town centre. It is a large building and is home to
living space, work space and a community hub. The redevelopment
was funded by a number of organisations, including Big Issue
Invest, Jericho Road Solutions, and the Government, through the
former Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government, now
the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities. Rock
House fosters creative enterprise and has generated jobs and
self-employment, and is a real social enterprise asset to
Hastings.
The Bill’s proposed legislative measures involving share capital
and non-distributable capital surplus would enable significant
new investment, innovation and development to take place in a
wide range of co-operatives for the purpose of greater economic,
environmental and social impact. The current legislation
governing the raising of capital for co-operatives is rather
inflexible; the Bill would enable co-operatives to raise more
money by issuing equity shares that are repayable at the option
of the society, rather than being withdrawable at the option of
the members. By introducing repayable shares, it would enable
co-operatives to raise amounts in excess of the current £100,000
holding limit for withdrawable shares. It would provide legal
certainty as to whether co-operatives can choose to repay
non-withdrawable shares. It would also give co-operative
societies the option of adopting a statutory provision
guaranteeing that their residual capital surpluses are
non-distributable among members. However, the provisions would
not interfere with co-operative societies’ ability to pass
profits on to members or to pay interest on share capital.
The accumulation and reinvestment of capital surplus is a feature
of the co-operative model, as recognised internationally and in
UK policy. For this reason, most co-operative societies include
non-distributable capital surplus provisions in their rules. The
issue is that these rules-based provisions fall short of the
permanent legal guarantee sought by many co-operative
entrepreneurs, investors and policymakers.
This legislative change would have a number of economic benefits.
It would create better conditions for investment and asset growth
in co-operative societies by setting the right boundaries and
engaging with the appropriate motivations of entrepreneurs,
members and investors, and by preventing perverse incentives to
destroy co-operative value, such as unnecessary demutualisation;
it would boost business investment by committing more capital
surplus to reinvestment in economically, environmentally and
socially productive enterprise; and it would give co-operative
entrepreneurs more optimal choices of legal form, enabling
innovation and impact to take place in the social economy.
These changes have the potential to lead to large capital-driven
co-operative societies raising millions of pounds more each year
in equity, which could then be used to invest in important
initiatives, tackling issues such as decarbonisation, technology
and the current cost of living crisis. This is compassionate
capitalism at its best. The Bill has much merit, and it deserves
our support.
10.33am
(North East Bedfordshire)
(Con)
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for calling me so early in the
debate.
I congratulate the hon. Member for Preston ( ) on the Bill, and thank him
for his patience as his discussions evolve through the myriad
manoeuvres within the Treasury. I add my thanks to Peter Hunt,
the chief executive of Mutuo, for the benefit of his extensive
knowledge of this sector. I also thank Treasury officials. Much
has been said in recent months about Treasury orthodoxy, not
always in a polite way. I should just like to point out that
there are two aspects of Treasury orthodoxy. There is policy;
that is a matter for politicians and Ministers, and of course we
can have disagreements about it. But there is another Treasury
orthodoxy, which is the way in which the civil servants in the
Treasury work. In my brief time with them, I observed a level of
dedication, hard work and responsiveness, and a spirit of public
service, for which my constituents and the people of this country
should be truly grateful. I thank them for that.
I know that you, Madam Deputy Speaker, as I do, would like to
talk about my paper from 30 years ago about anomie and the way in
which Max Weber has had such an important influence on
organisational theory. We could talk at length about
methodological individualism and the boundaries between an
atomistic view of society and the limitations that places on
effective co-operative action.
What it says, essentially, is that people come together in
different ways to achieve shared objectives—as charities, as
corporations, as Governments, as international organisations, as
trade unions, as partnerships and, yes, as co-operatives, mutuals
and friendly societies. Each of those organisational forms has
its role in enabling us as individuals to fulfil our lives,
achieve our objectives and, hopefully, create a better world for
future organisations.
It is therefore an important responsibility of Government to
maintain a structure of legislation that enables each of those
organisational structures to thrive and prosper. Such
organisations are the essential “little platoons” of the Burkean
view of Conservative ideals and of the co-operative ideals of the
Labour party. I congratulate the hon. Member for Preston on
putting forward his Bill in such a way that I believe the
Treasury Bench will be supportive; I look forward to hearing from
my hon. Friend the Minister that that is his intention.
The hon. Member for Preston will be aware that several other
issues need updating in the Friendly Societies Act 1992 and other
associated legislation. The proposal in his Bill is a defensive
one to protect organisations from the vagaries of time and the
interests of passing individuals who may temporarily have power
over the original principals of the organisations from when they
were set up. He is absolutely right to point a way forward on
that.
In the hon. Gentleman’s speech, however, he also talked about the
positive way in which legislation can be changed to enable
friendly societies, mutuals and co-operatives to play a bigger
role in society—particularly, as my hon. Friend the Member for
Bosworth (Dr Evans) said, in attracting new capital. It is for
those purposes that I encourage the Minister to be clear today in
his intention to ask the Law Commission to conduct that broader
investigation in due course—but as urgently as possible—so that
the Bill can be seen as the first step in a much more important
set of steps to confirm the role of such organisations in our
society.
10.38am
(Devizes) (Con)
I am delighted to have the opportunity to speak on this important
Bill. I congratulate the hon. Member for Preston ( ), who is, as he said, a
member of the Co-operative party. I wish I could be a member of
the Co-operative party; I do not see why that should be confined
to Labour Members. I would love there to be a Conservative and
Co-operative Member, because the Conservative and co-operative
tradition is very good and honourable.
The hon. Gentleman mentioned Rochdale, and I have visited the
home of the Pioneers. He talked about the existence of predatory
mill owners in the 19th century—the sort of capitalists who gave
capitalism a bad name and have become caricatures. There was
another tradition, of course, of a different sort of mill owner
and capitalist, which was the Tory tradition that recognised that
labour and capital were not equal in their relations and that
labour did need some protections. Part of that was the tradition
of the Earl of Shaftesbury and other reformers who legislated to
protect workers against outrageous working conditions, but it was
also Conservatives who legalised trade unions, mutuals, friendly
societies and co-operatives. Disraeli’s Government did that,
because they recognised the importance, which my hon. Friend the
Member for North East Bedfordshire () just mentioned, of enabling
people to co-operate, to come together and to bargain
together.
Both Labour and the Conservatives have a common heritage in this
space, and a common enemy, the Liberal party, which in the 19th
century was the party opposing factory reform and the
legalisation of trade unions. They do not seem to be here today
to discuss this important Bill.
However, I am afraid to say that it is also our two parties,
Labour and the Conservatives, who are between them responsible
for the sad decline in the 20th century of the co-op and mutual
movements. One reason was the creation of the welfare state,
which crowded out and effectively abolished many of the friendly
societies and mutuals that had provided welfare and mutual
support to working people, and I am afraid the other was my
party, which in the 1980s and 1990s was responsible for the great
demutualisation of building societies. I regret that.
There was a very interesting interview with Maurice Saatchi today
in The Times, in which he reflects on what he thinks Margaret
Thatcher would think of what has become of her great drive for
competition in the finance sector and across industry, with the
development of cartels in place of competition. This debate on
this important Bill is an opportunity to remind ourselves of a
different Conservative tradition, where we support these other
forms of capital and enterprise.
Social enterprises are part of this, and community-owned
businesses play a crucial role in our society. I put on record my
appreciation for the social enterprise movement in this country,
supported in its development, in many cases, by mutuals and
friendly societies. Social enterprises and community-owned
businesses are responsible for job creation in areas of
deprivation, the jobs last and they provide the crucial spirit of
enterprise and innovation that our left-behind areas need. There
is an important role for social enterprise.
Also in pride of place, I am pleased to see my hon. Friend the
Member for Bury North (). His role in saving Bury
Football Club from liquidation in recent years is commendable,
and that happened because of the efforts of people in Bury to
form a new co-operative structure to take over the ownership of
that football club that enabled it to be saved—as well as the
role of the Government, of course, in providing capital for that
and subsequently in the creation of the community ownership fund,
inspired by what happened to Bury FC, which businesses in my
constituency and across the country have benefited from.
I must briefly mention the role of mutual finance: there is a
tremendous new bank being developed called Avon Mutual, serving
the west of England. It is a modern, 21st-century mutual bank. I
also place on record my delight that my hon. Friend the Member
for Thirsk and Malton ()—he is not here today;
presumably he is taking up a role in his new office—has been
appointed to the Business Department. He is a great champion of
the mutual tradition—[Interruption.] There he is. I thought I was
praising him behind his back, but he is here to listen. I am very
pleased that he has that role, because he is a tremendous
champion of the importance of regional banks in supporting local
economies, and I hope that is something he will take up in his
new role.
I welcome the Bill, particularly the role it will play in
creating an asset lock for mutuals. That is a crucial point, and
an important lesson for those of us who believe in capitalism and
the importance of free enterprise: not all capital is fungible.
It is not appropriate to allow all capital to be blown to the
four winds at the whim of speculators and investors. It is
important sometimes to lock capital in the places where it
belongs, for the benefit of the people it was invested for.
10.44am
(North Devon) (Con)
I congratulate the hon. Member for Preston ( ) on introducing this
important Bill. In North Devon, co-operatives cover industries
ranging from agriculture through to retail, recreation and
housing. I was delighted this summer to see the power of a
co-operative in action in the village of Parracombe on the edge
of Exmoor, where the community has come together to build and
staff a wonderful village shop and meeting place. Communities can
achieve so much more when they are well organised and supported.
I hope that in Parracombe and many other villages, people can
come together to help their neighbours, particularly where they
could help with affordable rural housing by being part of
community land trusts. While councils are provided funding for
community land trusts, they need access to additional funding,
and what better way to do that than through the involvement of a
truly locally owned co-operative.
In comparison to a traditional start-up, a co-op is twice as
likely to still be trading after five years and its workers
support six times more livelihoods. It is likely that
co-operatives are so resilient because decisions are made in the
interests of long-term community success, rather than the
conflict of who can make money quickest. There is a focus on
building up reserves in capital rather than relying on debt to
fuel growth. The number of co-ops actually grew by 1.2% between
2020 and 2021, despite disruption from covid-19. Community-led
economic development takes the idea that communities know best
what they need to serve their community, and can implement that
to support them and best manage their development.
The UK has a significantly smaller proportion of mutuals and
co-operatives compared with similar nations, such as Germany and
France. I suspect that is partly down to the ability of the
sector to access external finance. I would like to take this
opportunity to highlight the Co-operatives UK strategy, which
is
“To build a strong, sustainable and diverse UK co-operative
movement that positions co-operatives as a better way to do
business and transform people’s lives”
and
“To promote and embed the values and principles of co-operation
across UK enterprise and communities.”
Importantly, it sees co-ops as a way to empower young people.
Co-ops are the opposite of the more insecure gig economy
pioneered by tech apps. They give young people a stake in their
work and allow them to engage more fully with it. They allow
young people to engage with the issues that matter most to them
and to make a positive change in their communities on issues such
as climate change. In communities like mine, they encourage young
people to stay rather than feel that they need to move away.
There remains an opportunity for rural communities to benefit
from additional funding for matters such as community land trusts
and shops, as seen in Parracombe, and I am delighted to support
the Bill.
10.47am
(Warrington South) (Con)
I congratulate the hon. Member for Preston ( ) on introducing this private
Member’s Bill, and it is a great pleasure to take part in the
Second Reading debate. I am very supportive of the measures in
the Bill, and I know that the Government have also indicated
their support. To that end, I do not intend to speak for too
long, but I want to reflect some of the views that my
constituents have shared with me. Before I do that, I want to
speak about the importance of the co-operative movement on our
high streets. As somebody who grew up in the 1970s, I remember my
mum shopping in the Co-op because she got her dividend stamp. She
got rewarded for supporting a local supermarket on our high
street. I have to say that I am a member of the Co-operative. I
have my little card, and when I go into the Co-op in my village
to do my shopping today, I will get rewards for doing that. I am
proud as a Conservative to be supporting the Co-op in
Cheshire.
It is not just the Co-operative superstores, there are many
insurance mutuals on our high streets. I suspect that many of our
constituents do not realise—I certainly did not until I started
looking into this—how important mutuals and co-operatives still
are to the high street today. It demonstrates the longevity and
importance of this business model, so I am pleased that we are
supporting the Bill.
The Co-operative in Warrington is among the strongest supporters
of community activity. It regularly contacts me to ask if we will
support community initiatives. It recently contributed to one of
my local playgroups, helping to provide new equipment for the
children. Incredibly, that money is raised by people shopping and
then given back out into the community. Co-operatives provide
real value.
In some respects, it is surprising that the co-operative sector
in the UK remains relatively small compared with similar
economies. Like many colleagues in this House, I have received a
significant amount of correspondence on this Bill from
constituents. When talking to a dairy farmer in Lymm, I was
struck by the importance of co-operatives for that sector. He
gets up very early in the morning to look after and milk the
cows, and then waits for the milk tanker to arrive. The business
model he follows means that he works with a co-operative to
negotiate with the major supermarkets and major dairy companies.
He told me, “I simply wouldn’t be in a position to negotiate with
supermarkets and head offices all around the country if I didn’t
work with a co-operative that generates support and profits.”
Co-operatives are experts in negotiation, and they are incredibly
supportive when working with farms.
What is the overall impact of co-operatives on the economy? A
2021 report by Co-operatives UK identified that about 7,200
co-ops operate across the UK. Their turnover in 2021 was £39.7
billion, which was an increase from £38.6 billion in 2020. The
co-ops employed about a quarter of a million people in 2021, with
membership totalling 14 million. Between 2020 and 2021, the
number of co-ops grew by 1.2%.
I will turn briefly to important elements in the Bill. It
provides His Majesty’s Treasury with the powers to make
regulations that would allow all co-operatives, mutual insurers
and friendly societies to opt to restrict the use or dealing of
their assets. I made that point in an earlier intervention on the
hon. Member for Preston. There have been recent examples of
co-operatives and mutual societies finding themselves under
attack. That is why I support the Bill, which also brings
friendly society laws up to date and establishes tax neutrality
for mutuals’ deferred shares.
The impact of co-operatives on our economy and their members is
broadly good. The Bill’s measures are, broadly speaking, updates
to enhance the operating environment so that they can continue to
serve their members and improve choice in the markets in which
they operate. I know that the sectors face significant
challenges. They are limited by issues with access to external
finance, so it is important that we take that into consideration.
The intention is that, where members of the society choose to
adopt legal restrictions, the use of the assets will be limited
to specific purposes in line with the objectives of the mutual
society. The use of any other assets for those purposes would
then carry legal recourse. That optionality in the regulations
will be important in mitigating any potential negative impact. I
know that the Government will continue to work with the sector,
and I am very pleased that the Minister is in his place and that
he will respond shortly. I encourage the Government to continue
to work with the sector, to ensure that the regulations are
appropriate and adapted to the needs of different mutual
models.
Finally, I am pleased that Co-operatives UK fully supports of the
Bill. It has carried out consultations with its members, which
indicate that the measures enjoy widespread support. It has also
said that the measures would bring
“significant new investment, innovation and development in a wide
range of co-operatives, for greater economic, environmental and
social impact.”
Likewise, mutuals have praised the proposals for offering more
choice and competition in their markets, and for allowing them to
serve their members with an enhanced operating environment.
In short, I support the hon. Gentleman’s Bill, which is clearly
welcomed by the sector, and I look forward to continuing to use
my Co-op membership card when I buy my tea this evening.
10.54am
(Bosworth) (Con)
Similarly to my hon. Friend the Member for Warrington South
(), if I had walked down
Hinckley high street earlier this week and told people that I
would be talking about the Co-operatives, Mutuals and Friendly
Societies Bill this Friday, they would have looked at me aghast
or blankly and said, “What’s he talking about?” because they
would have had no idea. I want to put this in perspective: what
does it mean to the people of Hinckley and Bosworth? In
considering that question, we can see how far these mutuals have
come.
I, too, have a local Co-op card, because in my area we have
multiple Co-ops, including one in Newbold Verdon, two in Desford,
and one in Earl Shilton—they really are part of the fabric of
Leicestershire.
Does my hon. Friend agree that anybody putting money into the
local economy in my constituency is a good thing?
Dr Evans
It is absolutely fantastic, and even better when it is just down
the road if you are in your pyjamas. The main thing is not to
forget the card so you can support the economy.
It goes a little further than that. I began to think about the
other things that could be tied up with mutuals. I was a doctor
before I came to Parliament, and had a lot of dealings—I still
do, and declare an interest—with them. I have investments with
the Wesleyan Assurance Society, which began in Birmingham in
1841, supporting doctors with investments and financial products.
Both professionally and in the local community, we can see the
effect that mutuals have. It goes further than that. In my
constituency, the Hinckley & Rugby Building Society was
formed in 1983 when two societies joined, but there has been a
society in place since 1961. It is in the top 20 building
societies, with assets of £830 million, and more than 50,000
users and customers, many of whom are based in my local area. It
emerged from the need to support our local industries,
particularly lacemakers and shoemakers. It is still there today,
providing products for people who might not be able to secure
them on the open market.
My hon. Friend is generous in accepting interventions. As he
knows, I grew up in his constituency. One of the first things my
mum and dad did was open an account at the Earl Shilton Building
Society, and I still have that account today. I think that they
put in £2—today, having not put any money in, it is worth about
£4,000. That is certainly a demonstration of the value of local
building societies and the role they play in local
communities.
Dr Evans
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. When I was young, I was given
a small account with the Nationwide Building Society. It was
common for previous generations to do that. We seem to have lost
the sense of what building societies and mutuals can provide in
our community. That is why it is good that the Bill has been
introduced, so that it can provide a forward-thinking ability not
only to defend them but to set them up for the future.
We can see the tangible difference that these societies can make.
The Hinckley & Rugby Building Society supported a cricket
match in Earl Shilton, as well as Leicestershire Cares, giving
money back and investing it to make our communities better.
I will not dwell on the impact of the Bill, because what it is
trying to do has already been highlighted. The provisions that
would be put in place would not interfere with the ability of
co-operatives to give profit to members or pay interest on share
capital. I am keen to see, as I hinted in my intervention—and as
has been followed up by my hon. Friend the Member for North East
Bedfordshire ()—how we can turn this into
an industry that is fit for the future and drives innovation in
the sector. The measure is a starting framework that can provide
for that. If the Law Commission review is correct and forward
thinking, we can restore the impact of mutuals on society that I
had the pleasure of seeing as I grew up, and now have the
pleasure of representing in my area. Long may they live.
10.58am
(Southend West) (Con)
I, too, congratulate the hon. Member for Preston ( ) on introducing this
important Bill. Having been elected in February, I have not yet
had the pleasure of presenting a Bill to the House, but I hope to
be successful in the ballot soon.
This is indeed, as colleagues have said, a very worthwhile Bill,
and I am delighted that there is cross-party support for it. Of
course, this issue has been raised in the House on a number of
occasions and, like others, I read with great interest the speech
by my hon. Friend the Member for Wycombe (Mr Baker) in his
Westminster Hall debate last year. He spoke on the subject
extremely eloquently, and I hope that the House will allow me the
liberty of quoting a small part of his speech:
“A free society—one based on a market economy—really must have
within it a place for co-operatives”.—[Official Report, 14
December 2021; Vol. 705, c. 249WH.]
How right he was. Co-operatives, mutuals and friendly societies
are a wonderful resource embedded at the heart of our
communities. They expand opportunity, wealth and aspiration
throughout our great nation. They are democratically owned and
controlled by their members, with profits reinvested in the
organisations or among their memberships.
As has been mentioned, the co-operative economy is diverse,
resilient and growing. At the last count, there were more than
7,000 co-operative businesses in the UK, with a combined annual
turnover of almost £40 billion in 2021. Importantly, that has
grown from £38 billion in 2019, and I am assured by the wonderful
resource that is the Commons Library that the figure will grow
again next year.
Co-operatives, mutuals and friendly societies trade in sectors as
diverse as agriculture, renewable energy, retrofitting, the
creative industries, manufacturing, distribution, wholesale,
retail and finance. In 2020, the turnover of the co-operative
economy grew by £1.1 billion. Of course, most co-operatives in
the UK are consumer-owned, but in recent years we have seen a
marked growth in community ownership, worker co-operatives and
freelancer co-operatives. Many of the UK’s largest co-operatives
comprise other businesses such as farmers’ co-operatives.
We must not forget what a powerful employment sector the
co-operative movement is. Last year, it employed more than a
quarter of a million people in the UK. It may surprise the House
that that is more than the whole population of the new, sparkling
city that is Southend, which I am sure the whole House agrees is
the greatest city in the country and fully deserves to be the
UK’s 2029 city of culture.
It is interesting to look at international comparisons as the UK
co-operative economy is relatively small and growing more slowly
than others. Co-operatives account for only 2% of our GDP,
whereas the figure in New Zealand is 20%, in the Netherlands and
in France, 18%, and in Finland, 14%. Less than 1% of UK
businesses are co-operatives. In Germany, the co-operative
economy is four times bigger than that in the UK. France’s is six
times larger, and South Korea’s is 12 times larger. It is much
the same story in insurance, where an estimated 11% of the UK
market is provided by mutuals, compared with 47% in Germany and a
whopping 52% in France. Perhaps the co-operative model is
underused and something of a best-kept secret in our society and
economy.
I hope that the Bill might go some way to bringing our laws up to
date so that it is easier for co-operatives, mutuals and friendly
societies to attract the investment they need to grow and thrive.
At the moment, that is not as easy as it could—and perhaps
should—be. The sector faces challenges not faced by other
sections of the financial market such as banks and other
companies. The Bill seeks to solve some of those challenges, and
I commend the hon. Member for Preston on the excellent,
thoughtful way in which it seeks to do that.
The Bill seeks to provide His Majesty’s Treasury with the power
to create regulations to allow co-operatives, mutual insurers and
friendly societies to choose to adopt legal restrictions on the
use of their assets. As I understand it—I am sure hon. Members
will correct me if I am wrong—the intention is that where the
members of a society choose to adopt the legal restrictions, the
use of their assets would be limited to specific purposes in line
with the objectives of the mutual society, and the use of those
assets for any other purposes would lead to legal recourse.
The Bill seems sensible to me, and I believe that it would have a
direct, positive impact on my constituency of Southend West. At
the heart of my constituency, on Leigh Broadway, we have the
Co-op store, which is obviously the UK’s most famous
co-operative. The Co-op manages to raise tens of thousands of
pounds for local charities every year. I am sure that many
Members know that Co-op members can choose from three local
charities each month, and the money raised is split among the
charities according to how many votes each charity receives.
These charities are chosen by the members and this is a brilliant
way to raise money.
Money is raised in a variety of ways, including the traditional
raffle prize. This month, the wonderful Leigh Broadway Co-op is
having a raffle for an excellent-looking hamper full of Halloween
goodies, and raffle tickets are just £1 a strip. The proceeds
will be donated to the absolutely brilliant Lady McAdden Breast
Cancer Trust charity, located in Leigh-on-Sea in my wonderful
constituency of Southend West. The Lady McAdden trust has been
nominated by members of the Co-op as one of their October
charities, and there could not be a better charity to support in
October, which we all know is Breast Cancer Awareness Month.
I am a huge supporter of the Lady McAdden trust, and earlier this
year I opened its new breast cancer screening centre in Elmsleigh
Drive in my constituency, which has been the home of the charity
since April 2022. A couple of weeks ago I attended its event at
the Leigh community centre, and the refreshments were all
provided by the fantastic Leigh Broadway Co-op.
The Co-op is also doing a lot to eliminate food waste and to
ensure that the most vulnerable in our society are helped and
protected. Thanks to Co-op members, an astonishing £100 million
has been raised to support local communities across the UK.
Turning to mutuals, many bank branches have closed over recent
years in Southend West, but the Nationwide, a mutual on Leigh
Broadway, lives on. We all know that bank branches are a very
important resource, especially for communities with an elderly
population. The elderly are not always able to go online, and
they rely on mutuals such as the Nationwide both by visiting
branches to deposit money or pay in cheques and for financial
advice.
I am so proud that the Nationwide in Leigh-on-Sea has a dedicated
cost of living expert, who is helping the most vulnerable members
of our society navigate the challenges caused by the cost of
living crisis. The branch is also going out of its way to ensure
that people who are not as tech savvy as some of the rest of us,
particularly the elderly, are supported. Next week, it is holding
a “tea and tech” event, which will teach people how to use online
banking and apps to manage their money. Digital exclusion is a
huge problem in our modern society, and it is really encouraging
that our co-operatives, mutuals and friendly societies have
recognised this and are doing all they can to help.
Co-operatives, mutuals and friendly societies have so much to
give to our society. They play a hugely important role in our
communities, and it is also hugely important that we ensure that
there is diversity in the financial services sector and that we
ensure that mutuals are able to raise the capital they need more
easily without the need for demutualisation.
I am pleased to be able to support the Bill, and I am very
grateful to the hon. Member for Preston for giving us the
opportunity to debate this important issue.
Madam Deputy Speaker ( )
I call the shadow Minister, .
11.08pm
(Hampstead and Kilburn)
(Lab)
It is a pleasure to support my hon. Friend the Member for Preston
( ) in bringing this important
issue to Parliament for debate. It is also impressive that there
is so much cross-party support for the Bill, and I thank my hon.
Friend for working so closely with civil servants and Treasury
Ministers on this important topic. It is never easy to bring any
topic to the House with so much cross-party support, but my hon.
Friend has demonstrated in the past that he is very capable of
working in a team. I saw the sterling work he did on the
Committee for HS2 and I know that he worked hard as part of a
team to ensure that Preston was recognised as a city in 2002.
My hon. Friend’s association with the Co-operative party and
movement is not a recent one. Between 1984 and 1994, he was
secretary of the Salford Co-operative party. He mentioned the
shirt he bought 40 years ago for £1. It is the same age as me,
which shows the House how long his association with the
Co-operative party has been. I pay tribute to him for all the
work he has done on bringing the Bill forward.
The principles of co-operation and mutual support have roots in
both conservative and socialist traditions, and the histories of
the co-operative movement and the Labour party in this country
are closely intertwined. Indeed, the hon. Member for North East
Bedfordshire () eloquently set out how
there is support in both our parties for the co-operative
movement. The relationship was institutionalised in 1927, and the
Co-operative party and the Labour party entered into an electoral
agreement to stand joint candidates at election. It is fantastic
to hear so much support for the Co-operative party from across
the Chamber. If anyone wants to stand on that ticket at the next
election, our doors are open.
It is fantastic that this Bill also has the support of the
Co-operative party, and I know that my hon. Friend the Member for
Preston is proud to be a Co-operative party and Labour party
Member. To this day, both parties continue to make the case for
co-operatives, and friendly and mutual societies, which all give
us a greater say and stake in institutions that affect our lives
and play such an important role in improving equality and
productivity at work. The hon. Member for North Devon () talked about that in
relation to the opportunities that are brought for young people,
and I think we can relate to that in all our constituencies.
Co-operative and mutual societies have never been more important
in the UK’s economy and public life. More than 7,000
co-operatives are operating across the UK, with a combined
turnover of almost £40 billion, and some 200,000 people earn
their livelihoods directly through co-operatives. They trade in
sectors as diverse as agriculture, renewable energy,
retrofitting, the creative industries, manufacturing,
wholesaling, retail and finance. Many Members have cited examples
from their own constituencies. Co-operatives have also proven
resilient in the face of hardship. The pandemic was an incredibly
difficult time for many British businesses, but the co-operative
and mutual sector grew by an impressive £1.1 billion in 2020,
despite the economic challenges resulting from the national
lockdowns.
The hon. Member for Hastings and Rye () talked about how mutual or
co-operative models can provide significant business advantages.
As she pointed out, the resilience of co-operatives is rooted in
the higher levels of productivity that can result from employee
ownership. In the United States, the National Centre for Employee
Ownership tracked the performance of more than 57,000 firms and
found that employee ownership can greatly improve a business’s
productivity and chances of success.
That resilience and strength allowed the mutual sector to play
such a heroic role during the pandemic, by plugging gaps in
Government support for communities across the country. The hon.
Member for Warrington South () talked about how mutuals play
a particularly important role in rural communities. For example,
Arla farmers contributed 900,000 litres of long-life milk to
Government grocery packs for vulnerable people during lockdown,
and the Little Pioneers nurseries, run by the Midcounties
Co-operative, kept nurseries near hospitals open and affordable
for the children of key workers. They also offered additional
temporary places for key workers who were unable to rely on their
usual childcare arrangements and developed a frontline hero
support fund to subsidise fees for key workers’ families.
However, despite the fantastic contribution that co-operatives
and mutual societies make to society and the economy, outdated
legislation has prevented the sector from reaching its full
potential. The hon. Members for Southend West () and for Darlington () said that the mutuals sector
in the UK is relatively small compared with what we find in other
countries. Fewer than 1% of businesses in the UK are
co-operatives. Germany’s co-operative economy is four times the
size of the UK’s. In Italy, co-operative enterprises generate
close to 40% of GDP in the province of Emilia-Romagna, which has
the lowest socioeconomic inequality of any region in Europe. The
growth of co-operatives in this country is being held back by a
legislative and regulatory framework that is not designed for
co-operative businesses. The unique structure of co-operatives,
mutuals and friendly societies means that they are often excluded
from traditional investment methods.
Sadly, the sector is also under threat from demutual-isation.
There was celebration across the co-operative and labour
movements last year when members voted to reject the
controversial takeover of the insurer Liverpool Victoria by the
private equity firm Bain Capital. I want to take a moment to
recognise the work of my hon. Friend the Member for Harrow West
()—he is not in the Chamber—and
others who fought to protect the mutual status of this historic
firm. However, as my hon. Friend the Member for Preston made
clear, demutualisation remains a real and present threat to the
sector. Importantly, the Bill will help to ensure that mutual
capital is maintained for the purpose intended.
As my hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff North () pointed out, the Opposition
believe that further legislation is needed to secure the future
of the sector, for example by giving co-operatives more freedom
to issue perpetual capital to fund investment. I thank my hon.
Friend, who introduced a version of this Bill and who has done a
great deal of work to advance the issue, on which we all agree.
We recognise that the Bill is an important step forward. The
Labour party will give it our full support. I thank my hon.
Friend the Member for Preston and all the Treasury Ministers who
have worked so hard on the Bill.
11.16pm
The Economic Secretary to the Treasury ()
It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Hampstead
and Kilburn (). May I congratulate my hon.
Friend the Member for Thirsk and Malton (), who has joined us on
the Front Bench this morning?
I congratulate the hon. Member for Preston ( ) on reaching Second Reading
with his Bill and on the committed and passionate advocacy that
he and his team have shown on behalf of the mutuals sector. It
takes a team effort to get things done, as my colleagues could
sometimes benefit from remembering, and this is no exception. I
pay tribute to my predecessor, my hon. Friend the Member for
North East Bedfordshire (), for his hard work over the
summer, with officials, to bring us to this important moment. I
also thank the hon. Member for Cardiff North (), who started the ball
rolling; it is delightful that she was able to join us today. As
the hon. Member for Hampstead and Kilburn says, this is a
cross-party endeavour, and it is all the stronger for it.
The fantastic speeches from Members across the House have brought
to life the tapestry of co-operatives and mutuals and their
contribution to society across the United Kingdom. We heard about
the Darlington Building Society’s five-year sponsorship of the
Darlington rail heritage quarter. We were reminded of Robert Owen
and the origin of the Welsh co-operative movement. My hon. Friend
the Member for Heywood and Middleton () took us back to the
birthplace of the co-operative movement. My hon. Friend the
Member for Hastings and Rye () spoke about the
contribution of White Rock Neighbourhood Ventures, which is
helping to build her society. My hon. Friend the Member for
Devizes () made a typically thoughtful
contribution; he not only auditioned for the support of the wider
co-operative movement, but rooted co-operative and community
values firmly in the tradition of Disraeli.
Let me say a little about the Government’s intentions for the
Bill. I can confirm that we will support it because we believe
in, understand and recognise the contribution that the mutual
model makes to society and financial inclusion, which is
important to hon. Members on both sides of the House, and the
diversity that it provides for the financial services sector. We
have a fantastic financial services sector in this country, and
mutuals are an important part of that and we wish to see them
continue. The scale is often not fully understood, but Royal
London is the largest mutual life insurance, pensions and
investment company in the UK, and has assets under management of
£164 billion—8.8 million policies in force. Therefore, as well as
contributing to their communities up and down the United Kingdom,
mutuals are also a very important part of our financial
sector.
We heard, too, from my hon. Friend the Member for North Devon
() about Parracombe, from my
hon. Friend the Member for Bosworth (Dr Evans) about the
contribution being made by the Hinkley and Rugby Building
Society, and from my hon. Friend the Member for Warrington South
(). This shows the real
contribution that these organisations make.
Let me make some progress on the Bill itself. The Government see
this private Member’s Bill as a valuable attempt to build on
progress, and further support the mutual model by granting His
Majesty’s Treasury the power to make changes to what
co-operatives, mutual insurers and friendly societies are able to
do under legislation.
The House will note that the final Bill is more focused compared
with the original long title. Allow me to briefly set out what we
aim to achieve through the Bill. The Bill will allow
co-operatives, mutual insurers and friendly societies further
flexibility in determining for themselves the best strategies for
their business relating to surplus capital. More specifically,
this allows the Treasury to create regulations to provide these
mutuals with the option to restrict the distribution of surplus
capital—defined as equity minus members’ shareholdings and share
interest—to their members on solvent dissolution of the mutual,
or on the sale or conversion of the mutual to a company. The Bill
does that by providing the power to create regulations to allow
co-operatives, mutual insurers, and friendly societies to choose
to adopt legal restrictions on the use of their assets. The
intention is that, where the members choose to adopt these
restrictions, the use of the assets would be limited to specific
purposes in line with the purpose of the mutual society.
The Government anticipate that this will provide additional
safeguards against demutualisation for those societies that
choose to adopt the so-called “asset lock”. The Government
understand that many here today were motivated by the proposed
sale and demutualisation of LV= in 2021. Although, ultimately,
that sale did not go through, because the vote in favour of
selling was not backed by a sufficient proportion of members, we
understand that it is right to interrogate the demutualisation
process and consider the case for reform.
Voluntary asset locks—to prevent the distribution of legacy
assets on the dissolution, sale, or conversion of a mutual—are
already successfully adopted and freely entered into by
co-operatives, mutual insurers, and friendly societies. The aim
of these voluntary asset locks is to limit the financial
incentives that many believe sit behind demutalisation processes.
For example, many mutual entities have adopted “charitable
assignment clauses” into their rules. This determines that any
capital surplus on the dissolution, conversion, or sale has to go
to a nominated charitable cause and not to the members at that
moment in time. Within this, it is an established practice for
mutuals to adopt high voting thresholds when members are deciding
on decisions that affect the future strategic direction of the
mutual.
We think these aims are laudable, but what the Government want to
do is to build on the safeguards already in place to preserve the
mutual movement. By placing an ironclad guarantee in legislation,
we aim to support mutuals to make these locks harder to unpick in
the future so that a mutual’s funds continue to be used for their
social purpose and the social contract with its members and
future members continues to be honoured, where the members choose
to implement it.
By bringing forward this legislation, we are granting these
efforts with a statutory footing should a mutual and its members
decide that this is the best route for them. The optionality of
the statutory asset lock is key, for it leaves the decision on
the future of a mutual in the hands of mutuals and their members.
Throughout, we have been guided by the core value of what it is
to be mutual—with the interests of their members and communities
at the heart of what they do.
If possible, I would like to go further: in alignment with the
spirit in which the hon. Member for Preston has introduced this
Bill, we are exploring the options for delivering reviews of key
legislation underpinning the sector, including engagement with
the Law Commission to help us to finalise our approach. I cannot
go further than that today, as my hon. Friend the Member for
North East Bedfordshire pressed me to, but that is something we
are looking at and will move forward with.
I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for the opportunity to press
him again. As he makes these considerations, will he commit from
the Dispatch Box that, at Committee stage, he will come forward
with the framework of the recommendations and, if he is minded to
pursue this with the Law Commission, what issues it might
cover?
My hon. Friend is familiar with the process for establishing the
final Law Commission review. I will undertake to keep him and the
hon. Member for Preston informed as we move forward, and I hope
he will be happy with that undertaking.
In conclusion, I have outlined the Government’s stance on the
private Member’s Bill brought forward today for Second Reading.
It is unusual for a Government to support a private Member’s Bill
tabled by a member of the Opposition, but that only speaks to the
value of this Bill and the work done to build consensus. I hope
the House will recognise that the Government are committed to the
development and growth of mutuals, including co-operatives,
mutual insurers and friendly societies, and that they have been
listening to and celebrating with us the work that is being done
in our constituencies. The Government see great value in the
mutual sector, not just because of the contribution to our
economy, but because of the contribution to our communities. That
is why we have already taken steps to support all types of
mutuals and will always be open to ideas for broadening that
support. Our goal and the goal of this Bill is the long-term
growth and success of the sector, and for that reason I commend
it to the House.
11.26am
I thank the Minister again for his positive attitude towards this
Bill and for bringing in the support of his party and the
Government. I am particularly happy that we have had such a
lengthy debate, because I did not think it would go on for so
long; it has been fascinating to hear the views of many hon.
Members across the House on how co-operatives in their area
function and what their attachment to the movement is.
I draw the Minister’s attention to the references in my speech to
the use of the Law Commission to explore the other issues I
raised originally with the Treasury and his civil servants. The
hon. Member for North East Bedfordshire () also referred in his
intervention to the question of the Law Commission. I had the
assurance during my discussions with the Treasury that that would
be looked at seriously and I would hope, as he said, that it
would be explored at Committee stage, with some firm proposals
and the framework for the Law Commission being entered into as
part of that process.
I thank everybody who has supported me on this Bill in this
House, in the co-operative sector and in the Co-operative party,
and, of course, Mutuo, which has helped a lot to provide all the
material for my discussions with the Treasury.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill accordingly read a Second time; to stand committed to a
Public Bill Committee (Standing Order No. 63).
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