The Minister for Farming, Fisheries and Food (Victoria Prentis) I
beg to move, That the Committee has considered the draft Animal
Welfare (Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2022. It is a great
pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hosie. This
instrument makes several minor, technical amendments to retained
European Union regulations. They relate to the protection and
welfare of animals during transport, and to official controls on
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The Minister for Farming, Fisheries and Food ()
I beg to move,
That the Committee has considered the draft Animal Welfare
(Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2022.
It is a great pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr
Hosie. This instrument makes several minor, technical amendments
to retained European Union regulations. They relate to the
protection and welfare of animals during transport, and to
official controls on the import of animals, animal products,
plants and plant products, including food and other imports
relevant to the agri-food chain; they do not bring about any
change in standards.
In Great Britain, the Animal and Plant Health Agency issues
authorisations to commercial transporters of animals who can show
that they meet the regulatory requirements —for example, by
having appropriately trained and competent staff. For long
journeys, APHA also approve journey plans, known as journey logs.
Approval depends on the transporters demonstrating that they can
meet the welfare needs of the animals they are transporting.
The draft regulations clarify the role and powers of the
competent authority deal with requests for journey logs and
transporter authorisations. They also change a power of the
competent authority to recover costs. Instead of being mandatory,
the order will be discretionary. This allows the particular
circumstances of those subject to enforcement measures to be
taken into account and allows the authority not to enforce cost
recovery, for example, where that would not be financially
sensible.
The draft regulations also remove defunct references to various
EU systems and organisations—for example, contact points, mutual
assistance schemes and an oversight committee. They also remove
the legal requirement to report to the European Commission.
Multiple references to “EU member states” are replaced with
“Great Britain”. An outdated requirement to provide rules on
penalties for infringements of animal welfare in transport
regulations by 5 July 2006 is removed, as those rules were laid
by that date, I am glad to say, and are currently in force.
Finally, outdated references to other regulations relating to
training for competent authority staff, other veterinary
legislation, and animal welfare inspections for animals destined
for slaughter are corrected, ensuring that the regulators’
ability to enforce welfare standards is maintained.
(Birmingham, Hodge Hill)
(Lab)
Before the Minister concludes, will she give way?
I would be delighted to give way to the right hon. Gentleman.
I am grateful. Obviously, the debate in the House over the coming
week is about the law-breaking Northern Ireland Protocol Bill. It
is a matter of great concern to Members in all parts of the House
that there is an appropriate inspection regime, especially of
live animals crossing into Northern Ireland. How will the
amendments the Minister is describing interrelate with that
Bill?
The amendments relate to existing EU regulation, which has been
in force for some time, and to animal welfare in transport
regulations that are already enforced. I do not see any
read-across from these draft regulations, which are technical
measures to address matters such as changing the competent
authority from the European Commission to a GB competent
authority. They have no bearing on the debate to which the right
hon. Gentleman refers. He may be comforted to know that the
devolved Administrations have consented to the draft
regulations.
The amendments contained in these regulations are necessary to
ensure that, in line with current Government policy, we can
enforce our high animal welfare standards and protect the UK’s
biosecurity.
4.34pm
(Leeds North West)
(Lab/Co-op)
Thank you for officiating in our deliberations this afternoon, Mr
Hosie. Just as the Minister is substituting for a colleague, I
am, too. Clearly, I am not my hon. Friend the Member for Newport
West (). She tested positive for covid
last week and is leading by example, isolating at home. I know we
all wish her a speedy recovery.
We will not oppose the draft regulations, but our being here is
another case of too little, too late, and a Government who are
just are not delivering. This is the Government who, back in
2019, supposedly “got Brexit done”, but here we are now, with
Ministers using vital parliamentary time to correct their
mistakes—mistakes made in Downing Street—rather than discussing
bold policy, new ideas and a proper vision. Her Majesty’s
Government are being forced to table legislation that gives
effect to changes that are broadly technical in nature but,
unsurprisingly, are necessary to correct their own failures and
deficiencies in EU law now retained following Brexit.
As my noble Friend Lady Jones of Whitchurch said when this
instrument was before the other place, these failures should and
could have been spotted earlier. Will the Minister make it
crystal clear to the Committee when these errors first came to
light and why they were not identified earlier? I would be
grateful if she also let us know whether there has been any
detriment to animal welfare controls since the passage of the
European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 as a result of this
incorrect wording. Many campaigners and stakeholders in the
community will be watching for answers, and if the Minister
cannot provide them today, I hope she will write to me and my
hon. Friend the Member for Newport West at the earliest
opportunity.
I would also like the Minister to explain the rationale for
changing mandatory cost recovery to discretionary cost recovery.
On the face of it, this seems sensible, but will she say
something more about the types of case where it would not be in
the public interest to pursue cost recovery? Is there a danger
that, if we now switch to what described as a “case-by-case
basis”, it could lead to broader failure in enforcement action,
with many authorities making a financial calculation that the
cost is just not worth the effort, particularly if it is a
marginal benefit. Could there be an overall drop in enforcement
as a result?
Such an effect would not surprise the Opposition, as time and
again Ministers have been weak on language, weak on impact and
weak on delivery. Take the Environment Act 2021, or the “may not
must” Act: at every turn, rather than being bold and ambitious
and demanding action and change through the use of the word
“must”, Ministers were happy to satisfy their personal interest
by settling for “may”. Missed opportunities and no ambition—that
sums up this Government and this Prime Minister.
I would like to draw the Minister's attention to paragraph 7.5 of
the explanatory memorandum, which I know she will have read in
considerable detail. It says that the outdated references have
been updated to refer to current legislation. For ease of
reference, would she provide some examples, please? Does she
think the current standards are equivalent to or better than the
old ones?
The Minister is destined for Cabinet in the next reshuffle, I am
sure, so she will know that this is rather a complex area of
regulation. As part of the audition, can we have an assurance
that it will not be on the Minister for Brexit Opportunities and
Government Efficiency’s target list? We all know he has a list.
We can picture him now, in the tower of the constituency
residence, burning the midnight oil, writing on parchment—no
doubt with a quill made in the west country—night cap in place
upon his head, with some hot cocoa beside him, pursuing his
bonfire of regulations.
As we approach 12 July, talking about bonfires can of course
stoke the interest of some, although I suspect the hon. Member
for North Antrim () and some of the Democratic Unionist party crew will
be in a minority this on 12 July this year and in the years
ahead, but this is important. Why? Because if legislation like
this is on the target list, we need answers. What will the
process be and when will we hear more about how Her Majesty's
Government intends to conduct that review?
I hope that the Minister will follow up in writing on that
specific point, and that by asking in this way I have drawn it to
the attention of her officials, who I know are following
proceedings. I ask more than anything because such a letter will
make for excellent reading on my return home to Leeds on a
Thursday in the weeks ahead.
Last, I want to acknowledge and thank the campaigners and
stakeholders who I know work closely with my hon. Friend the
Member for Newport West, the shadow Minister on all things to do
with animal welfare. I think of Sonul at Four Paws, Andy at the
league and of course David at the RSPCA, all of whom I know have
been in close contact with my hon. Friend and her office. Their
support for the animal welfare agenda and their campaigning work
is vital as we hold Ministers to account. They play a leading
role in helping to shape policy that furthers the fight for
better animal protections and, most important for the Opposition,
their work influences what we are doing. It is very good to see
the Minister today, but I wish we were not having to clear up the
mess that has been created
4.39pm
It is always delightful to see the hon. Gentleman. Clearly I have
not been engaged in enough statutory instrument debates with him,
and I look forward to many more.
It has been interesting to hear the exposition of Labour party
policy on leaving the European Union today. A long series of SIs
have been needed to make highly technical changes to secondary
legislation written when we were a member state. I have no need
to write to the hon. Gentleman; I can give him examples now ad
infinitum. The phrase “member state” in legislation is being
changed to “GB”, and the competent authority is being changed to
the new competent authority. Instead of matters being referred to
the European Commission, we have to replace that with the GB
authority that is to take over that role. A large quantity of
regulation has had to be, not corrected, but updated in this
way.
However, I can assure the hon. Gentleman that there has been
absolutely no detriment to animal welfare in transport. The
protections are exactly the same, and they will not be affected
by the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill. What is important is that
regulatory background meets the current situation, which is that
we are no longer a member state of the EU.
On cost recovery, I can give two examples of when the competent
authority might choose not to go for mandatory recovery. The
first is if the company subject to enforcement became bankrupt.
Secondly, the company may be from a third country where we do not
have enforcement rights. I am not saying that the authority would
make that decision—it would be a matter for the authority—but we
thought it sensible to give it the flexibility and the discretion
to make a choice, on behalf of the taxpayer, only to enforce
where that would be a financially sensible thing to do.
We have a plan for animal welfare in transport and we have been
working on this whole area very hard for the past 18 months or
so. The hon. Gentleman will be aware of the Government response
to the extensive consultation that we carried out on animal
welfare in transport, which we published at the end of last
summer. Currently, we are engaged in a large number of workshops
with stakeholders, conducting detailed work, which we aim to
conclude this calendar year so that we can regulate for the
welfare of animals in transport where we need to do so. We are
proud of our standards of animal welfare, and the amendments made
by the draft regulations will ensure that existing regimes for
animal welfare during transport will continue to operate
effectively.
Question put and agreed to.
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