The Prime Minister ()
With permission, Mr Speaker, I will make a statement about the
NATO, G7 and Commonwealth summits, held in Madrid, Schloss Elmau
and Kigali respectively.
In the space of seven days, I had the opportunity to work
alongside more than 80 Governments—nearly half the entire
membership of the United Nations—and to hold bilateral talks with
more than 25 leaders, ranging from the new Presidents of South
Korea and Zambia to the Prime Ministers of Japan and Jamaica,
demonstrating the global reach of British diplomacy and the value
of our presence at the world’s top tables.
Our immediate priority is to join with our allies to ensure that
Ukraine prevails in her brave struggle against Putin’s
aggression. At the Madrid summit, NATO exceeded all expectations
in the unity and single-minded resolve of the alliance to support
Ukraine for as long as it takes, and to explode the myth that
western democracies lack the staying power for a prolonged
crisis.
All of us understand that if Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, he
will find new targets for his revanchist attacks. We are
defending not some abstract ideal but the first principle of a
peaceful world, which is that large and powerful countries cannot
be allowed to dismember their neighbours, and if this was ever
permitted, no nation anywhere would be safe. Therefore our goal
must be for our Ukrainian friends to win, by which I mean that
Ukraine must have the strength to finish this war on the terms
that President Zelensky has described.
When Putin claimed that by invading his neighbour he would force
NATO away from Russia, he could not have been proved more
spectacularly wrong, because the single most welcome outcome of
the Madrid summit was the alliance’s agreement to admit Finland
and Sweden. I hope I speak for the whole House when I say that
Britain will be proud to stand alongside these fellow democracies
and reaffirm our unshakeable pledge to come to their aid and
defend them if ever necessary, just as they would for us. We were
glad to smooth their path into NATO by giving both nations the
security assurances they needed to apply for membership, and when
I met Prime Minister Andersson of Sweden and President Niinistö
of Finland last Wednesday, I told them I was certain that NATO
would be stronger and safer for their accession.
Before Putin’s onslaught, both countries had prized their
neutrality, even through all the crises of the cold war, and it
is a measure of how seriously they take today’s threat that
opinion in Sweden and Finland has been transformed. It speaks
volumes about Putin’s folly that one permanent consequence of his
attack on Ukraine will be a doubling of the length of NATO’s
border with Russia. If anyone needed proof that NATO is purely
defensive, the fact that two quintessentially peaceable countries
have chosen to join it demonstrates the true nature of our
alliance.
Now is the time to intensify our help for Ukraine, because
Putin’s Donbas offensive is slowing down and his overstretched
army is suffering heavy casualties. Ukraine’s success in forcing
the Russians off Snake Island by sheer weight of firepower shows
how difficult the invader will find it to hold the territory he
has overrun. We need to equip our friends now to take advantage
of the moment when Putin will have to pause and regroup, so
Britain will supply Ukraine with another £1 billion of military
aid, including air defences, drones and electronic warfare
equipment, bringing our total military, humanitarian and economic
support since 24 February to nearly £4 billion.
To guarantee the security of our allies on the eastern flank,
NATO agreed in Madrid to bolster its high readiness forces, and
we in the UK will offer even more British forces to the alliance,
including almost all of our surface fleet. We have already
doubled our deployment in Estonia, and we will upgrade our
national headquarters to be led by a brigadier and help our
Estonian friends to establish their own divisional headquarters.
If you follow the trajectory of our programmes to modernise our
armed forces, Mr Speaker, you will draw the logical conclusion
that the UK will likely be spending 2.5% of GDP on defence by the
end of this decade.
Earlier, at the G7 summit, the first full day of talks coincided
with a Russian missile destroying a Ukrainian shopping centre,
killing at least 18 people. This barbaric attack on an obviously
civilian target strengthened the resolve of my fellow leaders to
provide Ukraine with more financial, humanitarian, military and
diplomatic backing for, and I quote the communiqué,
“as long as it takes”.
That is exactly the term later echoed by NATO. The G7 has pledged
nearly $30 billion of financial support for Ukraine this year,
and we will tighten our sanctions on Russia. The UK will join
America, Japan and Canada to ban the import of Russian gold,
which previously raised more export revenues than anything else
except hydrocarbons.
The G7 will devise more options for ensuring that nearly 25
million tonnes of grain, trapped inside Ukraine by Putin’s
blockade, reaches the countries that rely on these supplies. Just
as the world economy was recovering from the pandemic, Putin’s
war has caused a surge in global food and energy prices, raising
the cost of living everywhere, including here at home. The G7
agreed to
“take immediate action to secure energy supply and reduce price
surges…including by exploring additional measures such as price
caps.”
We will help our partners in the developing world to meet their
climate targets and transform millions of lives by constructing
new infrastructure according to the highest standards of
transparency and environmental protection. Through our
Partnership for Global Infrastructure and Investment, an idea
launched by the UK at the Carbis Bay summit last year, we will
mobilise up to $600 billion of public and private investment over
the next five years.
Many beneficiary nations will be members of the Commonwealth, and
I was very pleased to attend the Kigali summit of this unique
association of 56 states, encompassing a third of humanity. More
countries are eager to join, and we were pleased to welcome two
new members, Gabon and Togo.
It is an amazing fact that our familiar legal and administrative
systems, combined with the English language, knock 21% off the
cost of trade between Commonwealth members. It is because the
Commonwealth unites that advantage with some of the
fastest-growing markets in the world that we are using the
sovereignty that the UK has regained to sign free trade or
economic partnership agreements with as many Commonwealth
countries as possible. We have done 33 so far, including with
Australia and New Zealand, and we are aiming for one with India
by Diwali in October.
It is true that not every member of the Commonwealth sees Putin’s
aggression as we do, or exactly as we do, so it was vital to have
the opportunity to counter the myths and to point out that food
prices are rising because Putin has blockaded one of the world’s
biggest food producers. If large countries were free to destroy
their neighbours, no Commonwealth member, however distant from
Ukraine, would be genuinely secure.
The fact that, in a week, the UK was able to deal on friendly
terms with scores of countries in three organisations shows the
extraordinary diplomatic assets our country possesses. As we
stand up for what is right in Ukraine and advance the values and
interests of the British people, I commend this statement to the
House.
15:42:00
(Holborn and St Pancras)
(Lab)
I thank the Prime Minister for the advance copy of his statement,
and I welcome him back to these shores. They say that absence
makes the heart grow fonder, so I wish him the best of luck in
seeing if that works as a party management strategy.
It has been 131 days since Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine,
131 days of war at the heart of our continent, 131 days of Putin
trying to make his neighbours cower and 131 days of brave
Ukrainian resistance. I have always said that this House, and
Britain’s allies, must put aside our differences in other areas
and show unity in our opposition to Putin’s aggression. And we
have done, driven by the inspiration provided by the people of
Ukraine and the leadership and courage of President Zelensky.
As this conflict reaches its sixth month and drags on in eastern
Ukraine, it is important that we do not think our job is done.
Putin would like nothing better than for us to lose our focus,
for the grip of sanctions to weaken, for military aid to Ukraine
to dry up or for cracks to appear in the unity of his opponents.
So I welcome the progress made at the NATO summit last week, and
congratulate our good friends in Finland and Sweden on their
formal invitation to join the NATO alliance, and of course
Ukraine on securing its candidate status to join the European
Union. I hope that these processes can be concluded as quickly as
possible to send a clear message to Putin that his war has
permanently changed the European landscape, but not in the way he
planned.
I also welcome the commitment to strengthen our collective
deterrent capabilities. I have seen at first hand how British
personnel are working with other NATO forces to ensure that the
collective shield that has protected us for three quarters of a
century remains as strong as ever. So I welcome the agreement on
the new NATO force model, ensuring that over 300,000 conventional
troops will be at high readiness across Europe. Can I ask the
Prime Minister how this agreement will affect British military
planning and whether he believes our extra commitments can be
met, given his cuts to UK troop numbers?
The commitment made at the G7 of further financial support for
Ukraine is also welcome, as are plans to help Ukraine with
post-war reconstruction through an international conference.
There can be no clearer case that aid spending makes Britain more
secure and prevents the need for military spending in future,
which demonstrates the folly in reducing our aid commitments at a
time of global instability.
I am pleased that unity was on display at both the NATO summit
and the G7 summit, but I am concerned about current unity within
the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth is a valuable and important
institution for this country. It is not just a symbol of our
past; it is important for our future, providing us with influence
in all parts of the world. But in recent years, there have been
serious signs of strain. When many major Commonwealth countries
abstained at the UN over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the summit
should have been an opportunity to widen the diplomatic coalition
against Putin. Instead, the Prime Minister waged a divisive
campaign against the Commonwealth leadership that ended in a
humiliating diplomatic failure, only illustrating his
embarrassing lack of influence.
Instead of investing in aid that strengthens the alliance, the
Prime Minister has cut it. Instead of upholding the rule of law
that should define the Commonwealth, he reneges on treaties he
has signed, undermining Britain’s moral and political
credibility, when we need our word to carry trust. My fear is
simple: the vacuum we leave behind will be quickly filled not by
those who share our values, but by those who seek to destroy
them. We cannot let that happen in Ukraine. We cannot let that
happen anywhere.
The Prime Minister
I thank the right hon. and learned Gentleman for the terms in
which he, broadly speaking, has addressed the UK’s recent
diplomatic activity. I have just a couple of points to come back
on. He talks about the UK breaking international treaties. I do
not know what he is talking about there, but if he was talking
about what we are doing in respect of the Northern Ireland
protocol, that is not what is happening. We believe that our
prior obligation, which I would have thought he supported, is to
the balance of the Belfast/Good Friday agreement. That is what we
are supporting. He talks about the UK’s ability to win people
over. It was striking in the conversations I had with leaders
from around the world how few of them, if any, raised the issue
of the Northern Ireland protocol, and how much people want to see
common sense and no new barriers to trade. What the UK is doing
is trying to reduce pointless barriers to trade and one would
have thought that he supported that.
On the right hon. and learned Gentleman’s points about the UK’s
contribution to NATO and to the new force model, and whether that
is sustainable, I suggest that Opposition Members should talk to
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg about what the UK is
producing and committing—it is colossal. We are the second
biggest contributor to NATO and the second biggest contributor of
overall support for the Ukrainians, providing £2.3 billion in
military assistance alone. We are also ensuring that our armed
forces are provided for for the future, with £24 billion in this
spending review—the biggest uplift in defence spending since the
cold war. Defence spending is now running at 2.3% of our national
GDP, which is above the 2% target. That is felt around the room
in NATO; people know what the UK is contributing and are
extremely grateful.
As for what the UK also contributes to NATO, under the new force
model, we will contribute virtually all our naval forces. As the
right hon. and learned Gentleman also knows, we are the only
country to contribute our strategic independent nuclear deterrent
to NATO. I still find it a sad reflection of the Labour party
that, at this critical time, when Vladimir Putin is sadly using
the language of nuclear blackmail, we are in a situation in which
the principal Opposition party in this country still has eight
Members on its Front Bench who voted to discard our independent
nuclear deterrent, including the shadow Foreign Secretary, the
right hon. Member for Tottenham (Mr Lammy). Apart from that, I
welcome the terms in which the Leader of the Opposition has
responded.
(Bournemouth East) (Con)
I very much welcome the Prime Minister’s statement. I ask him:
was there general agreement at all three summits that our fragile
rules-based order is under threat, and that strategically we have
entered a profound era of geopolitical change? I commend his
efforts in Ukraine—it is a shame that other NATO countries have
not lent as we have—but I encourage him to go further and secure
a UN General Assembly resolution to create a humanitarian safe
haven around the critical port of Odesa, so that vital grain
exports can reach not only Europe, but Africa, to prevent famine
there.
The Prime Minister
I thank my right hon. Friend particularly for his point about
grain exports. As he knows, the work is being led by UN
Secretary-General António Guterres. The UK is doing a huge amount
to support but, as I have told the House before, we may have to
prepare for a solution that does not depend on Russian consent,
because that may not be forthcoming.
(Ross, Skye and Lochaber)
(SNP)
I thank the Prime Minister for the advance copy of his statement,
and welcome him back from his travels around Africa and Europe.
It is perhaps worth reiterating the support of all of us in this
House for President Zelensky and Ukraine in their struggle
against the war criminal Putin.
The scale and depth of the challenge facing our global community
are self-evident: war in Europe, the return of soaring inflation,
rising interest rates, and a cost of living crisis that is
punishing people in the pocket. We are faced not just with one
crisis; this is an accumulation of crises that needs, deserves
and demands a collective response. At moments like this,
solutions can only come from a co-ordinated effort. Efforts
during the 2007 financial crisis and the co-ordination during
covid demonstrate just that right across the world, and none of
us should be in any doubt that the crisis that we are now in is
every bit as severe, steep and deep as anything we faced at the
time of the financial crisis.
I regret to say that so far the collective effort—that sense of
urgency—has been badly lacking, particularly from organisations
such as the G7. The response has been far too slow and far too
small. Prime Minister, it is obvious that the G7 outcomes are
nowhere near enough to combat the cost of living crisis that we
now face. When can the public expect some leadership and action?
When will we see a coherent, co-ordinated and credible plan to
increase energy supply, cap prices and drive investment to the
global economy before recession becomes inevitable, or is the
plan really to delay until the winter, when things will only get
worse? Leadership now, in responding to supply shocks, will allow
us to fight inflation. A failure to take appropriate action will
expose us all to longer-lasting inflationary risks.
On Ukraine, can the Prime Minister go a little further and give
us the outlook regarding what we will do to ensure that we can
get grain out of Ukrainian ports? Four hundred million people
worldwide rely on Ukrainian food supplies. This is now about
stopping not just war, but famine.
I am sure the Prime Minister will agree that all these global
efforts will work only if there is trust between global leaders.
Can the Prime Minister therefore explain, in this moment of many
crises, how breaking international law and threatening to start a
trade war with our neighbours helps anyone?
The Prime Minister
The right hon. Gentleman should look more carefully at what the
G7 produced in terms of the plan to cap prices for oil and gas
and particularly to try to stop Putin profiteering, as he
currently is, from his illegal war. There is a plan. I will not
pretend that it is going to be easy, but we are doing as much as
we can. We are certainly taking a lot of other action, for
instance, to help countries around the world with access to the
fertiliser they need. He is right to raise the issue of the 25
million tonnes of grain currently held hostage in Odesa. There is
a plan to get that out. It is not easy. If he looks at the
numbers, though, he will see that we are gradually getting more
grain out of those Ukrainian silos and into Europe and into
Africa, and we will continue to do that.
As for the right hon. Gentleman’s final point about the UK and
the so-called breach of international law, I repeat what I said
to the right hon. and learned Gentleman, the Leader of the
Opposition: what the countries around the world see is the UK
offering consistent leadership in the matter of standing up for
the rule of law and standing up against Putin’s aggression. I
promise him—that is what has been raised with me in the past 10
days.
(Elmet and Rothwell)
(Con)
I congratulate my right hon. Friend on the leadership that he has
shown in the past week and welcome his commitment to our Royal
Navy forces being part of NATO. As the Defence and Security
Committee of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly starts its two-year
investigation into the Russian maritime threat, does he see
ongoing support of the Royal Navy in the long term, and what
conversations has he had with other NATO allies to increase their
maritime support for this vital mission?
The Prime Minister
I congratulate my right hon. Friend on his work for the NATO
Parliamentary Assembly, which was mentioned to me at the summit.
I can tell him that the UK is leading the NATO alliance in
providing for the new force model in our naval commitment, and we
are trying to encourage others to do the same.
(Leeds Central) (Lab)
Further to the question from the right hon. Member for
Bournemouth East (Mr Ellwood), the Prime Minister will know that
time is running out to get grain to the hundreds of millions of
people who will be facing destitution and hunger, as the
Secretary-General has warned. Can he tell us who will provide the
security guarantees to Ukraine? The fear is that, if we open a
sea corridor, the Russians will seek to use it to attack Odesa.
Can he confirm that it is to Turkey that the world is looking to
provide those guarantees, so the grain can get out before the
moment is lost?
The Prime Minister
The right hon. Gentleman is completely right: the Turks are
absolutely indispensable to solving this. They are doing their
very best and I thank President Erdoğan for all the efforts that
he is making. It does depend on the Russians agreeing to allow
that grain to get out. The UK is offering demining facilities and
insurance facilities for the vessels that will be needed to get
the grain out. He is right about the urgency. We will
increasingly have to look at alternative means of moving that
grain from Ukraine if we cannot use the sea route—if we cannot
use the Bosphorus.
(New Forest East) (Con)
Does the Prime Minister accept that, before there was a shooting
war in Europe in the 1980s, it was right for this country to
spend 5% of GDP on defence and, if he does, why does he think it
is adequate for us to spend only half that percentage by the end
of this decade?
The Prime Minister
My right hon. Friend has campaigned on this issue for years. I
think we will have to spend more. Logically, Mr Speaker, if you
protract the commitments that we are making under AUKUS and under
the future combat aircraft system, we will be increasing our
spending very considerably. What we want to do is to make sure
that other allies are doing the same. That is most important.
That is why Jens Stoltenberg is, we hope, going to set a new
target and allow the whole of the alliance to increase its
funding.
(Kingston and Surbiton) (LD)
While the Prime Minister was talking about British values at
three international summits, he was whipping Conservative MPs to
vote to trash one of our greatest British values, the rule of
law. While he was talking about increasing defence spending, he
was ploughing ahead with plans to cut the British armed forces by
10,000 troops. While he was talking about the problem of global
price rises, he was raising unfair taxes on millions of
pensioners and families across our country. We are facing a
domestic economic crisis and a global security crisis, and the
Prime Minister is facing his own political crisis. Can he tell
the House precisely what his plan is to take our country forward?
The Prime Minister
I am very happy to tell the right hon. Gentleman, since he asks,
that our plan is to help the people in this country with the cost
of living, as we are, with £1,200 coming in to people’s bank
accounts this month, which we can do because of the sensible
economic steps we have taken in coming out of the pandemic, and
then to build a stronger economy with reforms to our planning,
our housing, our transport and our energy networks. We will take
down costs for people up and down the country and continue to
make this the best place to live and invest in in the whole of
our hemisphere. That is our plan for the country, and I commend
it to him.
(Wokingham) (Con)
Western purchases of Russian energy are paying for Putin’s war.
Will my right hon. Friend redouble his efforts to ensure that we
invest in more production and output of oil, gas and electricity
here, to make our contribution to reducing western dependence?
The Prime Minister
Yes. I think the UK can be very proud of the way we have moved
beyond hydrocarbons in so many areas, but we must recognise the
limits and the pace of what we have achieved, and be less
neuralgic about using our domestic hydrocarbons, particularly
when the alternative is just to import them from abroad.
(Rhondda) (Lab)
It is 3,056 days since Putin started his illegal invasion of
Ukraine, and we spent far too long turning a blind eye to what
was going on there, so forgive me if I am a little impatient even
about what we have already achieved. I want to see a British
industrial strategy to ensure we are making enough lethal
weaponry to give to the Ukrainians so they can win. I want to see
a major diplomatic effort to ensure that Putin does not make
further inroads in Republika Srpska and Bosnia. I also want to
make sure that we as a country are still as focused on the
laundering of dirty Russian money through the City of London as
we should have been 10 years ago.
The Prime Minister
As the hon. Gentleman knows, the UK led the way in Europe in
supplying weaponry to Ukraine, and the next generation light
anti-tank weapons were of great importance. When it comes to
sanctions, we have a new economic crime Bill coming in that will
help us to clamp down further, but what we have done already is
very considerable. The squeeze is being felt by Putin and his
economy, and we will continue to apply it. The hon. Gentleman
asks for a long-term strategy: what he got from the G7 and NATO
was a commitment to stick to the course for as long as it takes,
and that is what we are going to do.
(Forest of Dean) (Con)
When the Prime Minister’s remarks at the NATO summit were
reported last week, the commitment to spending 2.5% on defence
appeared to be quite solid. His remarks today are less so. Is
that a commitment, and how are we going to pay for it? We have to
have a credible plan to pay for it. Are we going to put up taxes,
or are we going to reduce expenditure in other areas to deliver
what is a welcome and important commitment to the defence of the
United Kingdom?
The Prime Minister
It is a straightforward prediction based on what we are currently
committed to spending under the AUKUS and future combat air
system programmes. They are gigantic commitments, which I think
are the right thing for the UK, and they will take us up to that
threshold. Of course, much depends on the size of our GDP at the
time and the growth in the economy. My right hon. Friend asks how
we will pay for it: we will pay for it out of steady and
sustained economic growth, as I said to the right hon. Member for
Kingston and Surbiton ().
(Edinburgh South West)
(SNP)
The Northern Ireland Protocol Bill, the Northern Ireland Troubles
(Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill and the Bill of rights are all
Bills that numerous informed commentators and cross-party
Committees of this House have said threaten to breach our
international treaty obligations. The Prime Minister indicated to
the Leader of the Opposition that last week some of his
interlocutors, at least, had raised these issues with him. All of
us who have travelled abroad on parliamentary business recently
will have had these issues raised with us. So can he tell us
exactly what concerns were raised with him over the past week
about his Government’s disrespect for the international rule of
law and human rights, and what he is going to do about it?
The Prime Minister
I can absolutely tell the hon. and learned Lady that not a single
person said that the UK was in breach of international law. On
the contrary, they said that we were helping the world to stand
up against breaches of international law.
(Plymouth, Moor View)
(Con)
The Prime Minister should absolutely be congratulated on what he
has done on defence spending. While many in his position
previously talked about it, this is actually the biggest increase
since the end of the cold war. However, will he confirm that no
directive has been issued from No. 10 or the Treasury on numbers
of defence personnel, and that that will continue to be the case
going forward should the situation change?
The Prime Minister
My hon. Friend speaks wisely on this matter, which he knows very
well. We keep the actual numbers under constant review. The most
important thing is that our troops are the best in the world but
they also have to have the best equipment in the world, and that
is what we are paying for.
(Birmingham, Hodge Hill)
(Lab)
I was relieved to see the G7 recognise that 200 million people
now face starvation around the world, along with the pledge to
mobilise £100 billion in IMF special drawing rights to help to
alleviate the crisis. Last week, however, the Foreign Secretary
could not tell us how much the UK has been given in special
drawing rights nor what her target was for sharing them
back—presumably because it was not on Instagram—so can the Prime
Minister help us? Can he reassure us that all £19 billion of the
UK’s new special drawing rights will be shared to help with this
crisis in order to set a good example to the rest of the world?
The Prime Minister
The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right to draw attention to
the use of special drawing rights. We are supportive of using
those for the benefit of people around the world who are
currently finding things very tough.
(North Wiltshire) (Con)
I strongly support the Government’s commitment to 2.5% and the
Prime Minister’s hint in this statement that we may go further
than that in the years to come. None the less, although last
year’s integrated review talked about cutting conventional
forces—tanks, aircraft and boots on the ground—one of the lessons
of Ukraine is that we must not do that, so will he think again
about the commitments we have made to cutting, in particular, our
infantry?
The Prime Minister
I know that my hon. Friend has military experience himself, but
what we are learning from Ukraine is the vital importance of
having troops with a military operation that has 360° protection
and the best possible equipment. That is a lesson that the
Russians are learning to their cost themselves.
(Walthamstow) (Lab/Co-op)
The Prime Minister will have heard the deep concern on both sides
of the House, particularly from the right hon. Member for
Bournemouth East (Mr Ellwood) and my right hon. Friend the Member
for Leeds Central (), about grain in Ukraine and
the issue of world hunger and poverty. The Prime Minister said in
response that he was talking about the possibility of seeking a
solution that may not have the consent of the Russians. For the
avoidance of doubt, can he confirm to the House that he is
looking at breaching the Montreux agreement about larger forces
in the Black sea?
The Prime Minister
The hon. Lady is right to raise that. No, we are not looking at
doing that. There are alternative solutions that do not involve
the presence of UK or other warships in the Black sea, although
they might involve a tougher approach. We are also looking at the
possibility of using the rivers, particularly the Danube, and the
railways to get the grain out in smaller quantities than we would
be able to do with a giant maritime convoy through the Black sea.
We are looking at all the options, including smaller packets of
grain coming out in that way.
(Loughborough) (Con)
My right hon. Friend stated that
“Ukraine must have the strength to finish this war on the terms
that President Zelensky has described.”
Are we confident that all our allies are as involved and
supportive as the UK has been and continues to be for as long as
it takes?
The Prime Minister
I think the answer to that is yes, because every time we go to
one of these summits and we think that the alliance is friable
and that the strength of the pro-Ukrainian coalition is weak,
people gravitate towards the centre and towards what the UK is
saying because there is no alternative: Putin is not offering any
kind of deal, and President Zelenskyy cannot do any kind of
land-for-peace deal. There is no other option for us but to
continue to support the Ukrainians in the way that we are, and
that is why the unity remains so compelling.
(City of Chester)
(Lab)
I absolutely understand that the sanctions regime so far has
focused on the Russian elite, with travel bans and bans on the
export of luxury goods, for example, as well as Russian
hydrocarbons, which earn them so much foreign exchange money. As
the war continues into the longer term, should we not, as my hon.
Friend the Member for Rhondda () said, look at the Russian
money still sloshing around in the UK? If somebody has made a
large amount of money in Putin’s Russia, should we not assume
that the chances are that it is dodgy and start to tighten the
domestic sanctions regime?
The Prime Minister
The hon. Gentleman is right that we have to keep tightening the
noose the whole time. The Economic Crime and Corporate
Transparency Bill will help. It will give us new powers to seize
crypto assets and new powers over money laundering. One thing he
will have spotted at the G7, which was very important, was the
new sanctions on Russian gold worth £13.5 billion, which I
mentioned in my statement. That will hit them.
(Hitchin and Harpenden)
(Con)
I welcome what the Prime Minister has said about working with
other countries to reduce the price of oil and gas, which is
critical in this country and across the world. Will he give the
House a bit more detail on how we have been working with other
countries, particularly in the Commonwealth, on investing in
renewable energy, which is clean, safe and secure and reduces our
dependence on hydrocarbons over the medium term?
The Prime Minister
The answer is that the UK is making massive investments in
Commonwealth countries. In the G7, the partnership for global
infrastructure and investment helps developing countries around
the world to move forward and to make the leap ahead to green
technology, and to take investment from the UK—and not perhaps
from others who are busier in getting them to pay their debts.
(Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath)
(Alba)
I have listened carefully to the Prime Minister’s warm words
about the Commonwealth and its relationship with independent
countries. In 1941, it was the then Prime Minister Churchill who
signed the Atlantic charter with the United States, committing
Britain and the United States to delivering people’s right to
choose their own form of government and self-government. This
respect for the principle of equal rights and the
self-determination of peoples was incorporated into the United
Nations charter in paragraph 2 of articles 1, 73 and 76. In light
of that, can the Prime Minister set out what mandate he has won
that allows him to breach this UN principle, deny Scotland’s
claim of right and hold Scotland’s democracy hostage?
The Prime Minister
I know that the First Minister has asked for another referendum,
and I just point out that we had one in 2014. Right now the
priorities of the country should be rebuilding after covid and
taking us forward together as a united country, and that is what
we want to do.
(Gainsborough) (Con)
Ukraine is by far the most important issue facing us, not least
in terms of preventing mass starvation in Africa. One cannot help
noticing that unlike all the other fluff in the newspapers every
day, nobody dares criticise the Prime Minister’s resolute
leadership on Ukraine. What concerns many of us is that some of
our allies do not seem to be as resolute as he. While they will
give full support to Ukraine not to lose this war, they are not
that keen on Ukraine winning this war, because they do not want
to humiliate Putin. Can the Prime Minister make clear that it is
the absolute commitment of NATO to defeat Putin once and for all?
The Prime Minister
I agree 100% with what my right hon. Friend said, with just one
clarification: it is 100% the objective of NATO, and all our
friends and allies, to make sure that Putin fails in Ukraine—it
is very important that we frame it in that way—and he can and he
will, because the Ukrainians will not have it any other way.
(Brent North) (Lab)
Rwanda and the UK hosted the “Keeping 1.5 Alive” event in Kigali,
but at the same time, the latest Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change report said that the requirement—the
opportunity—to keep within 1.5° had now shifted forward from 2032
to 2025. Given that most major emitters in the G7 are not even
meeting the Paris commitments that they made seven years ago,
what realistic chance does the Prime Minister believe there is of
the G7 stepping up to the plate in the next three years to
achieve that turning down of emissions?
The Prime Minister
If the hon. Gentleman looked at the G7 communiqué, he would see
that there was an explicit reference to making sure that anything
we did was within our COP26 commitments to keeping 1.5° alive and
to the commitments made in Paris.
(Reigate) (Con)
I strongly welcome the Prime Minister’s statement. In my time in
the House, I cannot recall a foreign affairs statement in which
the serving Prime Minister could take more personal satisfaction
than the one that he has just delivered to the House. His
leadership of NATO and the welcome conclusions of the NATO summit
only reinforce the fact that, as the Leader of the Opposition
said, what Mr Putin wants is for us to lose focus. Will the Prime
Minister sustain his focus; get the grain out of Ukraine to meet
the desperate need of the rest of the world; and ensure Ukraine’s
survival as a sovereign state?
The Prime Minister
I thank my hon. Friend. That certainly remains the Government’s
objective. I stress that what we are doing to support the
Ukrainians is not just right in itself, as everyone accepts, but
right for the world. That is why it continues to be supported
around the world.
(South Shields) (Lab)
The NATO summit rightly identified that Russia and China
challenge our security. China continues to make clear the
territories that it disputes in the Indo-Pacific. As war rages in
Ukraine, concerns for the west’s ammunition stockpiles are
growing, and the Prime Minister continues with plans that will
see capability gaps in our Navy with fewer planes, tanks and
troops. Without a drastic rethink of those cuts, how realistic is
the UK’s desire in the integrated review to have a presence in
both the north Atlantic and the Indo-Pacific?
The Prime Minister
Actually, at the Commonwealth summit, the most interesting thing
was the widespread understanding of what the UK is doing in the
Indo-Pacific tilt and the moves we are making to engage with that
part of the world and strengthen our friends and allies in that
region. Hon. Members saw what we did with the carrier strike
group—an absolutely astonishing exercise—and know about the AUKUS
commitment that we have made. We are in the embassies in that
part of the world and are increasing our deployments there as
well.
(Newark) (Con)
The single most impactful thing that we could do now to bear down
on the cost of living would be to encourage OPEC, in particular
Saudi Arabia, to pump more oil. What will the Government do to
encourage our partners, such as Saudi Arabia, to do that? The
Saudi Arabian oil Minister recently said that the relationship
between Saudi and Moscow is
“as warm as the weather in Riyadh”—
a provocative statement that was probably influenced by our
continued negotiation with Iran on a nuclear deal. Could the
United Kingdom Government take a lead on that?
The Prime Minister
My right hon. Friend is correct about the role of Saudi. There
may be some question about how much more the Saudis could pump
out at this moment, but there is no doubt that we will need a lot
more OPEC-plus oil. As hon. Members know, the UK has strong and
productive relations with Saudi Arabia, which need to continue,
and we need to make sure that the whole west does as well. We
make that point to the Saudis. That is the way forward; they need
to produce more oil—no question.
(Huddersfield)
(Lab/Co-op)
May I say to the Prime Minister that there is some good stuff in
what he has reported and he should be applauded for that, but
there are other things that are deeply worrying and concerning? I
come from quite a military family—I saw little of my father until
I was six because he was away serving in the Royal Engineers
during the war—and I tell you that I take a real interest in the
size of our Army. Over the last 10 years, I have consistently
said to Ministers and Prime Ministers that dipping below 100,000
serving men and women is dangerous and foolish. Whatever the warm
words this morning, the fact is that his Government are still
committed to going down to 72,000 men and women, and that is not
enough to fully protect our country. Will he think again about
the size and power of our Army?
The Prime Minister
I thank the hon. Member very much. I want to say that I perfectly
understand why he speaks as he does, but the reality is that the
UK Army—the Army alone—will have a whole force of over 100,000:
73,000 plus 30,000 reserves. The key test is: what are they doing
and how are they equipped—how are they protected? They are the
best in the world, but we also want to make sure that we give
them the best possible equipment, and that is what we are doing.
If you listen to the Ukrainians, they will tell you that our
equipment is the best.
(Gillingham and Rainham)
(Con)
The Prime Minister has said that the world has seen the United
Kingdom
“stand up for what is right in Ukraine”,
and that is standing up for freedom, liberty and human rights.
Tying that to the Commonwealth, the Prime Minister has said that
some countries in the Commonwealth were concerned about the
narrative of what Russia is doing in Ukraine, but at the same
time, a number of those Commonwealth countries are listed in the
“World Watch List 2022” for their record on freedom of religion
or belief. Was there any discussion on that, because tomorrow the
United Kingdom is hosting a ministerial on freedom of religion or
belief? I had the pleasure to sign that off in my time as the
Prime Minister’s special envoy, and now he is committed to this
area. Was there any discussion on how we can advance freedom of
religion or belief in the Commonwealth?
The Prime Minister
First, may I thank my hon. Friend very much for everything he did
as envoy for freedom of religion or belief? It is at least partly
thanks to his energy and efforts that we have a global conference
in this city this week on freedom of belief around the world. I
can tell him that one of the many things that unite the
Commonwealth is a passionate determination to protect that
freedom.
(Oxford West and Abingdon)
(LD)
Clamping down on Putin’s cronies and their money—far too little,
too late, but nevertheless we are getting there—has I think been
one of the positives of this war so far. I am glad to hear the
Prime Minister say that he is committed to the economic crime
Bill 2 and all the measures in it, but I want to ask him
specifically about golden visas. Four years ago, the review of
golden visas was promised, but it has not been delivered. Why?
The Prime Minister
I am grateful to the hon. Member. We are doing everything we can
to make sure that we restrict access to this country by Putin’s
cronies or anybody who supports the invasion of Ukraine, and that
is why we are reviewing the golden visa scheme.
(Tunbridge Wells) (Con)
It is clear that the whole House welcomes the strong role that
the UK played in driving support for Ukraine. Will the Prime
Minister update us on the discussions he had with Prime Minister
Kishida of Japan, particularly on the progress of the UK’s
participation in the trans-Pacific trade agreement and also on
co-operation on science and technology?
The Prime Minister
I thank my right hon. Friend very much for his role as the UK’s
envoy for trade with Japan. I can tell him that the opportunities
are absolutely immense, and the Government of Fumio Kishida are
determined to progress the alliance with the UK to new heights.
He is absolutely right to talk about science and technology. As
he knows, we have just lifted barriers to trade with Japan, but
what we are also looking at is a partnership with Japan in
defence technology that I think could be the foundation of
immense future progress, particularly on science and technology.
(Rochdale) (Lab)
There is no doubt about the strength of support in NATO and the
G7 for this defence of Ukraine and this defence of the legitimate
freedom of Ukraine, but there are credible reports that it is now
becoming increasingly difficult to get weaponry and ammunition
across the globe.
The Secretary of State for Defence ( )
indicated dissent.
The Defence Secretary is shaking his head, but there are reports.
Was this raised at all at NATO, and can we guarantee that the
supply of armaments and the supply of ammunition will be
available?
The Prime Minister
The hon. Gentleman raises an interesting point. As he knows, the
UK began the Ramstein process, where countries commit substantial
sums as well as matériel to Ukraine. I am not aware of any
logistical problems that we are facing so far. We are still
seeing great progress in getting arms into Ukraine, but there is
a lot more to do.
(North Norfolk) (Con)
Three months ago yesterday, to the day, a refugee mother and a
little boy came to live with my family in my home in North
Norfolk. Three months seems an incredibly long time now, but it
has gone in a shot. The family who came to live with me are
terrified about returning to Kyiv. The only hope was the
announcement by the Government that we will stand there, at the
request of President Zelensky, to champion the rebuilding of
their city of Kyiv. That will bring enormous hope to all those
refugees who have fled Ukraine. Will the Prime Minister tell me,
so that I can give some reassurance to all those families,
including the one who live with me now, that we as a country will
not give up, that we certainly will not be negotiating with
Putin, as some would have us do, and that we will stand firm with
the people of Ukraine to ensure that the Russians are expelled
from their sovereign country? Then, by golly, bit by bit, we will
help those people to rebuild their country.
The Prime Minister
I thank my hon. Friend for his kindness to the family from
Ukraine. I know that that is being done by many other colleagues
around the Chamber, and I thank everybody for what they are
doing. It is a great, great scheme, and it is much appreciated by
the Ukrainians. Thanks to the support we have been giving the
Ukrainians, they are starting to see large numbers going back to
Ukraine, and of the 7 million who left, at least 3-and-a-bit
million have now gone back, which is good news. We want them all
to be able to go back safely, and go back safely to their entire
country. Then we want the UK to be in the lead, as we are already
are in the Kyiv region, in rebuilding Ukraine.
(Barnsley Central) (Lab)
Some very welcome agreements were reached in Madrid, not least
the doubling of battle groups on the eastern flank, the massive
expansion of the NATO response force, and of course the
endorsement of Sweden and Finland as members. Does the Prime
Minister agree that our success is underpinned by the maintenance
of public support for the war in Ukraine, and can he say how he,
and President Biden, plan to ensure that that public support is
maintained for as long as necessary?
The Prime Minister
The hon. Gentleman has served in the armed forces himself, and he
understands how difficult it can be to continue to build public
support for military expenditure. But it is vital that we do
this. The cost of allowing Ukraine simply to fall to Putin, or to
be crushed or engulfed, would be immense. And it would not be
just a political catastrophe; it would be an economic catastrophe
as well, because Putin would not stop there, and the instability
and economic damage would continue for generations.
(Bassetlaw) (Con)
The Scottish nationalists would cut our defence spending to 1.6%,
and unilaterally disarm if they were ever to achieve
independence. Does the Prime Minister agree that our new ambition
to spend 2.5%, and our rock solid commitment to NATO as a
guarantor of our security, show why Scotland is better off in the
UK?
The Prime Minister
I hesitated to say that to my right hon. Friend the Member for
Ross, Skye and Lochaber ()—and he is my friend, Mr
Speaker—but that is the fact. The Scottish contribution to our
armed services is immense. Everybody knows it. It is a fantastic
thing. It helps to make the UK what it is, and it would be
utterly tragic for the whole world if the UK armed services were
to face a division of that kind, or a loss of that kind.
(Cardiff West) (Lab)
When the Prime Minister was in Rwanda, did he meet the leader of
the opposition, Victoire Ingabire Umuhoza, who spent eight years
in prison simply for criticising the Rwandan regime? Did he speak
to President Kagame about his continual policy of criminalising
or assassinating his political opponents?
The Prime Minister
I did raise human rights concerns with President Kagame, and I
raised issues of freedom of speech. I am sure that the hon.
Member has been to Rwanda, so he will know that in 1994 the
country underwent perhaps the most catastrophic, humiliating
disaster that any country could undergo. Whatever the hon. Member
may say about him, President Kagame has brought that country back
from the brink and done an immense service to his country in
restoring order, which his people value immensely.
(Grantham and Stamford)
(Con)
The Prime Minister was right when he recently said that 2% of GDP
on defence spending should be a floor, not a ceiling. However,
some of our allies are still in the basement when it comes to
meeting their NATO commitments. Will he therefore outline what
efforts were made specifically to rectify that in Madrid?
The Prime Minister
What the UK has been doing is leading by example. It was at
Cardiff in 2014 that we set the target of 2% of GDP—a floor, not
a ceiling. We were one of the first to exceed it, and eight other
countries are now exceeding it. What we are seeing around the
table is countries absolutely determined to follow suit and spend
more. I will single out what Olaf Scholz has been doing in
Germany, where there has been a quite remarkable change of
events.
(Wythenshawe and Sale East)
(Lab)
That was a clumsy attempt to unseat the secretary-general of the
Commonwealth. It was hardly good statecraft, Prime Minister.
The Prime Minister
It was a great day for democracy, which is one thing among many
that the Commonwealth stands for in the world. I think that
Patricia Scotland will do an excellent job for the next two
years, and she will get every possible support.
(North West Durham)
(Con)
At recent visits to the Inter-Parliamentary Union conference as
well as at the Council of Europe, it has been widely acknowledged
that the Prime Minister has been leading not just Europe but
world leaders in his response to Ukraine. However, countries on
the frontline such as Poland and Romania are also doing a huge
amount. On grain shipments, has the Prime Minister had any
dealings with the President of Romania on the possibility of
using the port of Constana to protect global food prices?
The Prime Minister
My hon. Friend makes an excellent point and alludes to exactly
the solutions that we are trying to find in the event that we are
forced into an operation that does not involve the consent of the
Russians, as I think is all too likely.
(Rutherglen and Hamilton
West) (Ind)
During the Prime Minister’s conversations at the G7 and NATO
summits, what was made of the risk of antagonising China through
the UK Government’s trade talks with Taiwan? Does he agree that
the UK must respect Taiwanese sovereignty and show that to China?
The Prime Minister
The discussion at the G7 was probably liveliest on that subject.
The G7 feels that China is a gigantic fact of our lives and that
we have got to understand that. Everybody has got huge trading
relations with China, but, on the other hand, there are lots of
areas where we have got to compete, contest and, sometimes,
challenge what China does. That was very much agreed around the
table at the G7, and indeed at NATO.
(Dudley North) (Con)
My constituents are proud of the actions taken by this country
and the Prime Minister in supporting Ukraine, its armed forces
and the victims of Russian aggression in Ukraine. However, they
are feeling the pinch in their pockets, and the public purse is
under severe pressure as well, so they want to know that our NATO
allies and immediate neighbours are playing their part in equal
measure.
The Prime Minister
On the table of expenditure, the US is way out in front. I really
congratulate Joe Biden on his leadership. Joe Biden and the
Americans have really stepped up to the plate—a fantastic
effort. We are spending the second biggest amount, and I think
that the Poles are in third place. There is then a long tail of
others, but everybody is now spending more and more. We agreed
that we are in it for the long haul; that is the most important
thing.
Mr Speaker
We now bring in .
(Eastleigh) (Con)
Thank you, Mr Speaker. That was great exercise bobbing, I can
tell you.
The Prime Minister should be congratulated on his international
leadership on Ukraine, which is shown by how much people in
Ukraine and the Ukrainian Government applaud him for his
leadership at NATO. We are now entering a phase where the
Ukrainians really need to start to be able to push the Russian
lines back. What conversations has he had in NATO about providing
heavier land-based equipment to the Ukrainians?
The Prime Minister
My hon. Friend is completely right; that is where the focus now
is. The Ukrainians are heroic. They have shown they can push the
Russians back. They pushed them from Kyiv. They pushed them back
from Kharkiv. What they need is the right multiple launch rocket
systems to do it, because the Russians are very good at standing
off and using heavy artillery to shell and intimidate. The MLRS
are absolutely critical to the Ukrainian fightback. That is what
we are giving them now, together with several other allies. What
they also need is the training to make sure that those very
sophisticated weapons are used to the best possible effect, and
we are giving them that training as well.
The Lord Privy Seal () (Con)
My Lords, with the leave of the House, I shall now repeat a
Statement made in another place by my right honourable friend the
Prime Minister.
“With permission, Mr Speaker, I will make a statement about the
NATO, G7 and Commonwealth summits, held in Madrid, Schloss Elmau
and Kigali respectively.
In the space of seven days, I have had the opportunity to work
alongside more than 80 Governments—nearly half the entire
membership of the United Nations—and to hold bilateral talks with
more than 25 leaders, ranging from the new Presidents of South
Korea and Zambia to the Prime Ministers of Japan and Jamaica,
demonstrating the global reach of British diplomacy and the value
of our presence at the world’s top tables.
Our immediate priority is to join with our allies to ensure that
Ukraine prevails in her brave struggle against Putin’s
aggression. At the Madrid summit, NATO exceeded all expectations
in the unity and single-minded resolve of the alliance to support
Ukraine for as long as it takes, and to explode the myth that
western democracies lack the staying power for a prolonged
crisis.
All of us understand that if Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, he
will find new targets for his revanchist attacks. We are
defending not some abstract ideal but the first principle of a
peaceful world, which is that large and powerful countries cannot
be allowed to dismember their neighbours, and that if this was
ever permitted, no nation anywhere would be safe. Therefore our
goal must be for our Ukrainian friends to win, by which I mean
that Ukraine must have the strength to finish this war on the
terms that President Zelensky has described.
When Putin claimed that by invading his neighbour he would force
NATO away from Russia, he could not have been proved more
spectacularly wrong because the single most welcome outcome of
the Madrid summit was the alliance’s agreement to admit Finland
and Sweden. I hope I speak for the whole House when I say that
Britain will be proud to stand alongside these fellow democracies
and reaffirm our unshakeable pledge to come to their aid and
defend them if ever necessary, just as they would for us. We were
glad to smooth their path into NATO by giving both nations the
security assurances they needed to apply for membership, and when
I met Prime Minister Andersson of Sweden and President Niinistö
of Finland last Wednesday, I told them I was certain that NATO
would be stronger and safer for their accession.
Before Putin’s onslaught, both countries had prized their
neutrality, even through all the crises of the Cold War, and it
is a measure of how seriously they take today’s threat that
opinion in Sweden and Finland has been transformed. It speaks
volumes about Putin’s folly that one permanent consequence of his
attack on Ukraine will be a doubling of the length of NATO’s
border with Russia. If anyone needed proof that NATO is purely
defensive, the fact that two quintessentially peaceable countries
have chosen to join it demonstrates the true nature of our
alliance.
Now is the time to intensify our help for Ukraine, because
Putin’s Donbass offensive is slowing down and his overstretched
army is suffering heavy casualties. Ukraine’s success in forcing
the Russians off Snake Island by sheer weight of firepower shows
how difficult the invader will find it to hold the territory he
has overrun. We need to equip our friends now to take advantage
of the moment when Putin will have to pause and regroup, so
Britain will supply Ukraine with another £1 billion of military
aid, including air defences, drones and electronic warfare
equipment, bringing our total military, humanitarian and economic
support since 24 February to nearly £4 billion.
To guarantee the security of our allies on the eastern flank,
NATO agreed in Madrid to bolster its high-readiness forces, and
we in the UK will offer even more British forces to the alliance,
including almost all of our surface fleet. We have already
doubled our deployment in Estonia, and we will upgrade our
national headquarters to be led by a brigadier and help our
Estonian friends to establish their own divisional headquarters.
If you follow the trajectory of our programmes to modernise our
Armed Forces, Mr Speaker, you will draw the logical conclusion
that the UK will likely be spending 2.5% of GDP on defence by the
end of this decade.
Earlier, at the G7 summit, the first full day of talks coincided
with a Russian missile destroying a Ukrainian shopping centre,
killing at least 18 people. This barbaric attack on an obviously
civilian target strengthened the resolve of my fellow leaders to
provide Ukraine with more financial, humanitarian, military and
diplomatic backing for, and I quote the communiqué,
‘as long as it takes’.
That is exactly the term later echoed by NATO. The G7 has pledged
nearly $30 billion of financial support for Ukraine this year,
and we will tighten our sanctions on Russia. The UK will join
America, Japan and Canada to ban the import of Russian gold,
which previously raised more export revenues than anything else
except hydrocarbons.
The G7 will devise more options for ensuring that nearly 25
million tonnes of grain, trapped inside Ukraine by Putin’s
blockade, reaches the countries that rely on these supplies. Just
as the world economy was recovering from the pandemic, Putin’s
war has caused a surge in global food and energy prices, raising
the cost of living everywhere, including here at home. The G7
agreed to
‘take immediate action to secure energy supply and reduce price
surges…including by exploring additional measures such as price
caps.’
We will help our partners in the developing world to meet their
climate targets and transform millions of lives by constructing
new infrastructure according to the highest standards of
transparency and environmental protection. Through our
Partnership for Global Infrastructure and Investment, an idea
launched by the UK at the Carbis Bay summit last year, we will
mobilise up to $600 billion of public and private investment over
the next five years.
Many beneficiary nations will be members of the Commonwealth, and
I was very pleased to attend the Kigali summit of this unique
association of 56 states, encompassing a third of humanity. More
countries are eager to join, and we were pleased to welcome two
new members, Gabon and Togo.
It is an amazing fact that our familiar legal and administrative
systems, combined with the English language, knock 21% off the
cost of trade between Commonwealth members. It is because the
Commonwealth unites that advantage with some of the
fastest-growing markets in the world that we are using the
sovereignty that the UK has regained to sign free trade or
economic partnership agreements with as many Commonwealth
countries as possible. We have done 33 so far, including with
Australia and New Zealand, and we are aiming for one with India
by Diwali in October.
It is true that not every member of the Commonwealth sees Putin’s
aggression as we do, or exactly as we do, so it was vital to have
the opportunity to counter the myths and to point out that food
prices are rising because Putin has blockaded one of the world’s
biggest food producers. If large countries were free to destroy
their neighbours then no Commonwealth member, however distant
from Ukraine, would be genuinely secure.
The fact that, in a week, the UK was able to deal on friendly
terms with scores of countries in three organisations shows the
extraordinary diplomatic assets our country possesses. As we
stand up for what is right in Ukraine and advance the values and
interests of the British people, I commend this Statement to the
House.”
19:00:00
(Lab)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for repeating the
Statement, and I am sure the whole House welcomes that we are
able to put our differences aside to unite in support of Ukraine
against Putin’s aggression, just as allies have been able to do
so at the G7 and NATO this past week.
Because this shocking war continues, we cannot afford to lose
focus on this issue, so we fully welcome the reaffirming of
opposition to the invasion and the new steps taken to support
Ukraine’s resistance. However, for as much as we should all
welcome the unity on display in Madrid and the Bavarian Alps, it
is disappointing that the Prime Minister used CHOGM to launch an
unsuccessful and completely unnecessary campaign to remove the
Secretary-General of the Commonwealth: our colleague and a Member
of your Lordships’ House, my noble and learned friend Lady
Scotland. He should have been focusing on uniting members rather
than stoking divisions, especially when it was clear that his was
not a majority view. Can I press the noble Baroness and seek an
assurance? Now that this issue has been resolved, I would like
her to assure the House that the PM fully recognises the decision
of the Commonwealth to support my noble and learned friend Lady
Scotland, and, along with others, will give full support to her
and the work that she and others will have to undertake. I would
be grateful if she could make that assurance, because we all want
to ensure the success of the Commonwealth.
This year’s 26th Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in
Kigali was all the more important given that it had been
postponed since 2020. It was hosted by the latest addition to the
Commonwealth, Rwanda, so was another reminder of the diversity
among members. But it also reminded us of the inequality among
members. The communiqué’s focus, therefore, on governance, human
rights and the rule of law, sustainability, health, youth, and
technology and innovation made for very fitting themes. But the
agreements they come to have to lead to some tangible actions,
particularly when the Commonwealth is now lagging so far behind
on the sustainable development goals. Can the noble Baroness
commit to updating this House on progress towards meeting the
actions for this year’s CHOGM before the next meeting in Samoa?
The G7 really serves as another reminder that, just as in the
same way as Covid impacted each country differently, recovery is
also unequal. In the aftermath of the 2008 financial crash the
then Prime Minister, , offered real leadership in
the global recovery, and he sought to bring countries together:
to work together, to plan together, to take actions together. The
global economy and the cost of living, of course, featured
heavily in this summit. It is not to our credit that the
leadership the UK offers is on sky-high inflation, and we are the
only member of the G7 putting up taxes.
Leaders were right to focus significantly on the events in
Ukraine. I am pleased that the communiqué emphasised the
condemnation of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, with members
agreeing financial support for humanitarian aid. The noble
Baroness may be aware that the World Food Programme has warned
that acute hunger globally is expected to rise by 47 million
people due to the Ukraine war. What progress has been made in
identifying alternate sources of food supplies to tackle what is
a global crisis, and will the Government heed the call for the UN
to convene an emergency global food summit this year?
Moving on to NATO, I am sure the whole House will welcome that
Finland and Sweden are soon to join the alliance. Clearly this
was not what Putin intended when invading Ukraine, but he has
brought about the very thing that he least wanted: an expanded
and stronger NATO. However, as much as the announcement on an
extra £l billion in military support by the Government is
welcome, it was frustrating to see that being undermined by
Ministers having these public rows about defence spending. I
similarly welcome the announcement of a further 1,000 troops
being sent to Estonia but, if the noble Baroness could say
something about how that plays into the cut of 10,000 troops from
the British Army over the next three years, it would help to
reassure those of us who have concerns that decisions taken by
Ministers are going to make it harder for the UK to fulfil the
NATO obligations.
I also welcome that allies considered recent actions by China,
discussing
“malicious hybrid and cyber operations and its confrontational
rhetoric and disinformation”
targets. Can the noble Baroness update the House on the work of
our Government to resist such operations, obviously taking into
account that we will have to work globally on these issues?
This is a fragile time for the global economy. The risks posed to
our collective security are greater now, and the UK must be
outward-looking, building alliances through trust. As the Summer
Recess approaches, I hope the Minister can give an assurance
that, should issues escalate, this House would be recalled to
discuss any emerging problems. We hope those do not happen, but
it has to be on record that we are willing to do so if it should
be necessary.
I also hope that the Government can reflect on the long-term
consequences of what has unfolded. If the UK and our allies are
to look ahead to a more secure and prosperous future, we must
accept that we can do so only through a focus and adherence to
international law and order. The G7, NATO and the Commonwealth
are all forums that can promote these principles when people work
together, but those values have to be reflected at home, not just
in summits abroad. First, can the noble Baroness say when we will
see the full implementation of the recommendations in the Russia
report? Given that foreign donations to political parties were
made easier in the Elections Act, we need to be sure—and to be
reassured—that the Government are serious about action.
Also, the noble Baroness will surely understand how deeply
regrettable it is that the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill is
being brought forward in violation of international law. That
damages the UK’s moral authority and political credibility on the
world stage. If there is one message for the Government, it is
that Ministers cannot just pick and choose when to abide by
international law. In the Statement, repeating the Prime
Minister’s words, she referred to the “extraordinary diplomatic
assets” that we have. That is true, but there does seem to be a
tension: that we are not using those to best advantage, and that
we are undermining those who have spent many years developing
them as an important asset for the UK. International co-operation
and trust are essential. It is not a pick’n’mix just when it
suits the Government, and that needs to be a theme running
through everything that the Government do on the international
stage.
(LD)
My Lords, this Statement is probably unique, combining as it does
three consecutive meetings of groups of the world’s leading
democracies. As the Prime Minister says, the NATO summit showed a
commendable unity in expressing its support to Ukraine. However,
as this weekend’s Russian gains on the battlefield have shown,
mere promises of more armaments are of little help to the
Ukrainian soldiers on the front line. Speed is now of the essence
in actually delivering them. Can the noble Baroness say how
quickly it will be possible for the UK to get the additional
weaponry which we have committed to Ukraine into Ukrainian hands,
and into front-line operations?
Clearly, a major challenge in the provision of the latest
weaponry is to train the Ukrainians in its deployment. The UK is
obviously providing training to Ukrainian personnel in the use of
the weapons which we supply, but I believe we have also offered
to provide more basic training to very much larger numbers of
Ukrainian recruits. Could the noble Baroness update the House on
the state of discussions on this proposal, and whether—and if so
when—we might expect to see significant numbers of Ukrainians
coming to the UK for their military training?
The Statement says that, as part of our increased commitments to
NATO, we will offer
“almost all of our surface fleet”
to the alliance. What does this mean for where ships will be
deployed? Specifically, does it mean that we will no longer
deploy our carriers into the South China Sea, but keep them
within the European theatre?
More generally on our defence budget, the Prime Minister says
that the UK is likely to spend up to 2.5% of GDP on defence by
the end of the decade. Does the noble Baroness agree with the
figures produced by the House of Commons Library last week, which
show that the Ministry of Defence budget is actually being cut as
a result of our soaring inflation, and is on course to have a
5.6% real-terms cut in day-to-day expenditure by 2024-25? Such a
cut is, of course, in breach of the Conservative general election
manifesto promise to increase the defence budget in line with
inflation. When will the Ministry of Defence receive the funding
to reverse that real-terms cut?
What thought has been given to where any extra resources might be
allocated? The noble Baroness will be well aware of concern
across the House on the precipitate fall in the number of
soldiers in the Army. Do the Government intend to reverse these
cuts, as they increase overall military spending?
On the crucial area of energy supply, the G7 committed to
exploring oil and gas price caps. Which country is taking this
proposal forward? In particular, what role is the UK playing in
developing this potentially important option?
The G7 is committed to countering Chinese influence globally by
spending £600 billion of public and private investment over the
next five years. What part is the UK playing in achieving this?
Specifically, how much public investment do the UK Government
plan to allocate to this programme?
The Prime Minister bookended his Statement by extolling the reach
and depth of British diplomacy. Although it is true that our
membership of NATO, the G7 and the Commonwealth means that we
were in the same room as half of the membership of the UN, being
present is not the same as being influential. To be influential
and effective, your opposite numbers must trust you to keep your
word and stick to your agreements, but, under this Prime
Minister, they simply cannot do so.
In the extraordinary article by the German and Irish Foreign
Ministers in yesterday’s Observer, they state of the Irish
protocol:
“Instead of the path of partnership and dialogue, the British
government has chosen unilateralism. There is no legal or
political justification for unilaterally breaking an
international agreement entered into only two years ago.”
Every Government in the world will have seen these words and will
be making their calculations. If we break our international
agreements once, what is to stop us doing so again? With this
Prime Minister, whose word counts for nothing and for whom facts
are expendable, our stock internationally is low and falling. All
the warm words in today’s Statement cannot begin to reverse this
fundamental failing.
(Con)
I thank the noble Baroness and noble Lord for their comments. I
will pick up on a number of their questions. On the noble
Baroness’s point, we have of course worked very well with the
noble and learned Baroness, Lady Scotland; we have done so for a
long time and will continue to do so, because we all want to do
everything we can to strengthen the Commonwealth Secretariat and
deliver for Commonwealth members. I am sure that my noble friend
Lord Ahmad will be able to update the House, as the noble
Baroness suggested.
On the noble Lord’s questions on the G7, as he rightly said, the
G7 communiqué said that to reduce price surges it is considering
additional measures such as price caps to stabilise energy
markets. Leaders have tasked the relevant Ministers to evaluate
the feasibility and efficiency of these measures urgently so that
action will be taken.
On the Partnership for Global Infrastructure and Investment, this
is a G7 initiative to narrow the investment gap for sustainable,
inclusive, climate-resilient and quality infrastructure in
emerging markets in developing countries. Through the G7, we will
mobilise the private sector for accelerated action and support
just energy transition partnerships. We launched the first of
these JETPs with South Africa at COP 26, and we are currently
working towards future partnerships with India, Indonesia,
Senegal and Vietnam.
The noble Baroness rightly highlighted the grave concern about
the food supply. As she and all noble Lords will know, 25 million
tonnes of corn and wheat cannot be exported due to Putin’s
blockade. As the noble Baroness said, more than 275 million
people worldwide were already facing acute hunger at the start of
2022, and that is now expected to increase by 47 million if the
conflict continues. So, at CHOGM, we committed an additional £372
million, for instance, for countries most impacted by rising
global food prices, including £130 million this financial year
for the World Food Programme, which she mentioned, to fund its
life-saving work around the world, including in Commonwealth
countries. We committed £133 million for research and development
partnerships with world-leading agricultural and scientific
organisations to develop and implement technologies to improve
food security, such as new drought-resistant crops. We also
announced £52 million for the UN’s global emergency response fund
and £37 million for the UN International Fund for Agricultural
Development.
Both the noble Lord and the noble Baroness mentioned defence
spending. At the NATO summit, the Prime Minister outlined how we
will need to invest for the long term in vital capabilities like
future combat air and AUKUS. These investments mean that we are
on track to spend 2.5% of GDP on defence by the end of the
decade. Noble Lords will know that UK defence spending is
projected to reach 2.3% of GDP this year due to the UK defence
industry investment and the £2.3 billion of extraordinary support
for Ukraine. We are increasing defence spending by over £24
billion over the next four years—the biggest investment in our
Armed Forces since the Cold War.
The noble Lord asked about UK forces in NATO. As he rightly said,
we announced our commitments to the NATO force model: we will
make available RAF Typhoon and F35B Lightning fighter jets, royal
naval vessels—including Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft
carriers—and brigade-size land forces to NATO’s Supreme Allied
Commander Europe. We will significantly increase our
availability, which will include the majority of our maritime
forces. Either the noble Lord or the noble Baroness referred to
our announcement of the expansion of our national headquarters in
Estonia to ensure that we can provide rapid reinforcements with
our high-readiness forces if needed.
The noble Lord asked about the new military support for Ukraine,
and of course we will work with the Ukrainians to get that aid
and support to them as soon as possible. But I point out how much
we have done already: we are proud to have provided the equipment
and help that Ukraine asked for. We have already committed over
£750 million-worth of equipment, including Starstreak
anti-aircraft missiles, new anti-ship missiles, 120 armoured
vehicles, more than 6,900 NLAWs and more than 200 Javelin
anti-tank missiles.
The noble Lord asked about the training of Ukrainian armed
forces. We announced a new training offer, spearheaded by the UK,
with a plan to train 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers every 120 days.
Each soldier will spend three weeks on the training courses,
receiving medical training, for example, and learning skills in
cybersecurity and countering explosive attacks. Of course, this
is on top of the 22,000 Ukrainian troops whom we have already
trained under Operation Orbital since 2015, so it builds on the
work that we have done.
The noble Lord and noble Baroness both asked about the Army in
particular. We are creating an Army ready to fight the wars of
the future, making it more lethal, agile and expeditionary. We
are delivering the most significant modernisation of the Army in
a generation. It will continue to recruit the talent that it
needs to maintain a competitive advantage now and in the future,
and it will continue to be one of the most technically advanced
forces in the world. The Future Soldier transformation programme
offers the best combination of people and equipment within the
resources that we have. Under the Future Soldier transformation,
the Army will have a whole force of over 100,000 troops.
As these three international meetings showed, we will continue to
play a central role on the global stage and play our part in
trying to help all our allies, particularly in light of the
events in Ukraine.
19:18:00
(CB)
My Lords, I thank the Leader for repeating the Statement. I have
two questions. First, all these summits agreed that there needs
to be an increase in defence spending; this was said most loudly
in NATO, but it also came from the other two summits. Given that
the British economy is growing so slowly, where will cuts be made
to other expenditure to fund that increase? Will the Government
lead the necessary national debate, as we get our minds around
that consequence? Secondly, as the Minister outlined, we have
been very generous to Ukraine; that has come from British
inventory, so can she update the House on plans to fill the gaps
that are now appearing in our inventory?
(Con)
As I said, the investments that we have made and outlined mean we
will be on track to spend 2.5% of GDP on defence by the end of
the decade. Future spending decisions will be for the next
spending review, and no doubt there will be many discussions
about that in the run-up to it. In relation to our inventory, the
Ministry of Defence is working hard to ensure that we have the
right amount of munitions, weapons et cetera that we need.
The Lord
My Lords, we on these Benches support Her Majesty’s Government in
their response to President Putin’s invasion, as I am sure will
our General Synod which is debating the matter this weekend.
Aggression must not be rewarded. My right reverend friend the
has previously assured
this House that the Church stands ready to use its reach and
connections to pave the way to a solution, and we also stand
ready to use our extensive links to humanitarian organisations.
May I therefore ask the Minister to expand on what is being done
to ensure UK aid support reaches all those who need it,
particularly through the informal volunteer groups, which have so
far received only 0.24%—less than £1 in every £400—of direct
donations, and to consider how faith organisations, including the
Church, can pay their full part?
(Con)
I thank the right reverend Prelate for his comments, and I pay
tribute to the Church and other faith organisations for all the
help and support that they provide in a whole array—both in the
UK to refugees coming over here but also within the region. We
will continue to work very closely with faith groups, but also
civil society more broadly, to provide the support that
communities around the world need. We are a world leader in
development, having spent more than £11 billion on ODA in 2021.
In 2021, we were the third-largest ODA donor in the G7 and the
fourth-largest overall donor by volume, and we remain very proud
of our work in this area.
(Lab)
My Lords—
(Con)
My Lords, I think that the noble Lord, Lord Browne, knows what I
am going to say. I think that it is only right that, when a noble
Lord arrives five and a half minutes after the start, he should
not really speak. But I do accept that there are not many people
here. I think it would be good if the noble Lord allowed people
who were here at the beginning of the debate to speak, and if
there is time afterwards then he might be allowed to speak.
(CB)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for the Statement, which has
a lot of hope and a lot of challenges in it. I chair the board of
Christian Aid, which has been working hard in Ukraine ensuring
that incubators are provided, because two hospitals were
destroyed, and there have been a lot of miscarriages and
premature births taking place. We thank the Government for the
disaster aid that has raised a lot of money, and through your
offices, again, we have been able to help out.
On defence, during our debate on the humble Address I brought up
the issue—as everybody is wanting to look at more lethal
weapons—of the whole growth of unregulated, autonomous robots.
These are very good at not being controlled by a person but have
been set within themselves, and their destruction is
unbelievable. What are Her Majesty’s Government doing to create a
treaty which will limit the way that these weapons are developed?
(Con)
I thank the—
(Con)
It is the noble and right reverend Lord.
(Con)
I thank the noble and right reverend Lord for his comments—I
apologise: it is a new one on me and I did not want to make a
mistake. He is absolutely right that we all need to work
internationally to tackle the many problems, a number of which he
alluded to, to ensure that we have a safer and more peaceful
world.
(LD)
My Lords, does the Leader of the House accept that there are two
damaging ambiguities in this Statement which undermine its
credibility? The first is a passage that says:
“our goal must be for our Ukrainian friends to win, by which I
mean that Ukraine must have the strength to finish this war on
the terms that President Zelensky has described.”
Is that the United Kingdom indicating that it would provide
support if an attempt is made to expel Russia from Crimea, with
all the consequences which that would raise? The second is where
the Statement says—“you” having introduced the Speaker into the
exchanges—
“you will draw the logical conclusion that the UK will likely be
spending 2.5% of GDP on defence by the end of this decade.”
But 2.5% of which GDP—of the GDP of today, or the GDP of 2030?
Surely, we are entitled to detail of that kind.
(Con)
As I have said, future decisions are for the spending review, but
the Prime Minister has said that he expects it to set out a
trajectory towards 2.5% by the end of the decade. In relation to
the noble Lord’s first comment, President Zelensky made clear
during the Prime Minister’s recent visit to Kyiv that Ukraine has
no interest in surrendering sovereignty, and we want to support
it to finish the war on the terms he describes.
(Con)
My Lords, my apologies for arriving a minute late to my noble
friend’s Statement; it came up a fraction sooner than I expected
and quicker than I could run to get here. I wish, if I may, to
ask a question, but first of all I agree with those who welcome
the orderly transfer of the secretary-generalship of the
Commonwealth. As I said in the debate which we had on Thursday on
this subject, I think that is the right way for it to go: it
gives the present secretary-general a chance, as it were, to wind
up and complete her term of office—I know that she has some more
leadership ideas for facing Commonwealth difficulties to share
with us, so that is a good thing.
My question is this. Did I hear in reports, but not in this
Statement, that at the G7 the Ministers and the Heads of
Government entertained the idea of trying to create a counter to
the belt and road initiative of the Chinese, which now involves
memoranda of understanding with 141 countries, and two-thirds of
the Commonwealth as well? This is a huge entanglement by China. I
know that most of the first two gatherings were about Ukraine,
but it is relevant because it is of course China’s neutral stance
that is influencing half the world not to support us in
challenging the Russian atrocities, but instead apparently to
condone them. As long as that goes on, and half the world is not
with us against the Russian horrors, and against their attack on
humanity and international law, then Putin is going to get some
encouragement to continue, so I would like to know whether there
is anything in the brief on that particular subject.
(Con)
What my noble friend is asking about is the Partnership for
Global Infrastructure and Investment, which I mentioned in
response to the noble Lord, , which is the G7 initiative to
narrow the investment gap for sustainable, inclusive,
climate-resilient and quality infrastructure in emerging markets
and developing countries. We, through the G7, intend to mobilise
the private sector for accelerated action and support just energy
transition partnerships. As I mentioned, one has already been set
up with South Africa, and we are currently working towards
further partnerships with India, Indonesia, Senegal and Vietnam.
It is that initiative that the G7 will be developing within that
space.
(GP)
My Lords, my question follows on from that, on the Partnership
for Global Infrastructure and Investment. Will the Leader of the
House agree with me that it is crucial that this money avoids the
errors that have happened so often in the past, where money has
gone into the priorities of investors rather than the needs of
the poorest in society? Will she agree that this money needs to
take a rights-based, gender-sensitive approach, delivering a just
transition rather than ensuring that the rich in some countries
get richer and the global north benefits—particularly in ensuring
that the global south does not get laid on with even further
levels of debt burden when it is already carrying levels of debt
that it is unable to afford?
(Con)
I certainly agree with the noble Baroness that we need to make
sure that this initiative delivers for the poorest countries in
the world, and that we work in a collaborative and effective way.
That is what is happening in the development of this partnership.
As I have said, we already have the first one announced, we are
working towards several more, and we will support partners in
developing countries and emerging markets in a fair and
sustainable way.
(CB)
My Lords, will the Government emphasise that we have no quarrel
with the people of Russia, but only with their misguided leaders?
As regards Ukraine, will they try their hardest to keep open all
channels of communication, whether diplomatic or other? Finally,
will they identify and use all possible intermediaries to end the
war and open the way towards a verified and durable peace?
(Con)
We have said before—I certainly have at the Dispatch Box—that we
have no quarrel with the Russian people. I am happy to restate
that. We will support our Ukrainian friends so that they do not
have to suffer in the way that they have, and we will work with
President Zelensky to achieve the outcome he wants.
(Con)
My Lords, President Putin has more than once suggested that he
stands ready, if he thinks it necessary, to use nuclear weapons
in pursuit of the Ukrainian war. Has it been made clear to him
that the first use of any such weapons, whether tactical or
strategic, is out of bounds, and that any nation taking that step
would meet retribution—which in the case of Russia could be
terminal?
(Con)
My Lords, we are already in a very fraught situation and I do not
think that speculating on such things helps at this point. What
we want to do is work with our allies to support the Ukrainians
and continue to point out the fallacy and wrongness of what
President Putin is currently doing.
(Con)
My Lords, as we have had a question from my noble friend Lord
Howell, we should allow the noble Lord, Lord Browne, eventually
to come in. I withdraw my comments, with the leave of the House.
(Lab)
My Lords, I apologise too for being late for the beginning of the
Statement. I had expected it to be later in the evening and my
office is in Millbank House. Anyway, I can assure the noble
Baroness—to whom I apologise profusely—that I have read the
Statement, because I have a very specific question and wanted to
see whether there was any reference to it in the Statement, but
there is not. As part of the US increasing its military presence
across Europe, two more squadrons of F-35 stealth jets will be
stationed at RAF Lakenheath, which is leased to the US air force.
Can the noble Baroness reassure me that these will not be the
dual-capable variant of the stealth aircraft, and that we will
not, some time in the future, face the challenge of the United
States wanting to base nuclear weapons in the UK once again?
(Con)
I think the noble Lord will not be surprised to hear that I do
not have that level of detail. I ask him not to take that as any
answer; I am afraid I simply do not know. If I could write to
him, it would be for the best. I am happy to share the letter, in
the Library, with other noble Lords.
(Con)
My Lords, I apologise for being one minute and 30 seconds late,
but may I return to a point raised by the noble Lord, ? There is the
figure of 2.5% of GDP by the end of this decade; we are investing
troops in Estonia and there is the possibility of a European war
that could escalate beyond this continent. Can we please keep
these figures carefully in mind? Could my noble friend assure me
that we have the ammunition—having rightly given so much to the
Ukrainians—to sustain action for significantly longer than
indicated in the rather authoritative article in today’s Times?
(Con)
Certainly; that is a priority of the Ministry of Defence. We have
been clear that we need to invest for the long term, and that is
what we will continue to do. That is why we have increased
defence spending by over £24 billion over the next four years and
have said that we will be making further investments to reach
2.5% of GDP being spent on defence by the end of the decade.
(CB)
My Lords, I think I heard the Leader of the House refer to
agricultural investment; as a consequence of the war in Ukraine
and the difficulties we all now face, it is right to consider
this with a global approach. Moving on, recognising Togo and
Gabon as aspirant members of the Commonwealth should, I hope,
send a very convincing message to all our friends in La
Francophonie that we in the Commonwealth would welcome an
in-depth discussion with them. La Francophonie has tremendous
opportunity for the UK. On that point—the Leader of the House may
not be aware of this—was any attention paid to the situation with
regard to Cameroon, which is exercising the minds of many?
(Con)
Yes, we were very pleased to agree the accession of Togo and
Gabon. I do not believe that Cameroon was mentioned, but if that
was the case, I will happily refer back to the noble Viscount. As
for agriculture, he is absolutely right: as well as the various
additional funds I mentioned, we also announced £17.7 million of
funding through the FCDO’s green growth centre of expertise to
improve the effective use of fertilisers and increase food
production in countries including Rwanda, Kenya and Ghana.
(CB)
My Lords, would it be possible to speak? I was a latecomer as
well.
(Con)
Did the noble Lord hear any of the Statement?
(CB)
I was here when the noble Lord, , was speaking.
(Con)
No, sorry.
(CB)
But everyone else who was late was allowed to speak.
(Con)
Some Members were late by a minute or five minutes, but the noble
Lord missed the whole Statement and the remarks of the party
leaders.
(CB)
I did not miss their remarks.
(Lab)
The noble Lord missed the Front-Benchers.
(CB)
I did not miss them; I heard the noble Lord, .
(Con)
I think that proves the point that the noble Lord was not here
for the Leader of the Opposition.