The Secretary of State for Defence (Mr Ben Wallace) With
permission, Mr Speaker, I will update the House on the latest
situation regarding Russia’s actions towards Ukraine. As I have
already said, I apologise that the Opposition had such late sight
of the statement. As of 09.00 hours today, there are now more than
110 battalion tactical groups massed around Ukraine’s borders with
Russia and Belarus. In addition, in the Black Sea Fleet, there are
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The Secretary of State for Defence ( )
With permission, Mr Speaker, I will update the House on the
latest situation regarding Russia’s actions towards Ukraine. As I
have already said, I apologise that the Opposition had such late
sight of the statement.
As of 09.00 hours today, there are now more than 110 battalion
tactical groups massed around Ukraine’s borders with Russia and
Belarus. In addition, in the Black Sea Fleet, there are two
amphibious groups, nine cruise missile-equipped Russian ships and
a further four cruise missile-capable vessels in the Caspian
sea.
In the last 48 hours, contrary to Kremlin assurances, we have
seen a continued increase in troop numbers and a change in force
disposition, moving from holding areas to potential launch
locations. All the indicators point to increasing numbers and
readiness of Russian forces, and, not surprisingly to many of us,
the pledge to withdraw Russian troops from Belarus at the end of
their joint military drills on 20 February was not carried out,
and the exercise has now been extended until further notice.
Complementing this troop build-up has been the proliferation of
false flag operations, propaganda stunts, and Russian news
outlets carrying fictitious allegations. These are not the
actions of a Russian Government fulfilling their repeated
declarations that they have no intention of invading Ukraine. In
fact, over the last few weeks, we have seen the Russian
“playbook” being implemented in a way that gives us strong cause
for concern that President Putin is still committed to an
invasion. I believe that he is in danger of setting himself on a
tragic course of events, leading to a humanitarian crisis,
instability, and widespread suffering—not just of Ukrainians, but
of the Russian people.
Like many of us, the Russians know the consequences of military
interventions. The Soviet Union in Afghanistan and the first war
in Chechnya are just two examples of where Russia saw too many
young men returning home in zinc-lined coffins. The Government
therefore urge President Putin—for the sake of his own people and
even at this eleventh hour—to rule out the invasion of Ukraine
and recommit to a diplomatic process for us to address the
perceptions of the Kremlin.
Over recent weeks, my right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary and
I have engaged numerous times with our international
counterparts, including my own visit to Moscow to meet Defence
Minister Shoigu and General Valery Gerasimov. We have made clear
our determination to uphold the defensive principles of NATO and
to defend the right of sovereign countries to make choices about
their own security arrangements. As the Russian Government have
signed up to, states have
“an equal right to security. We reaffirm the inherent right of
each and every participating state to be free to choose or change
its security arrangements, including treaties of alliance.”
That statement was signed by the Russians in 1975 in the Helsinki
Final Act, in 1994 in the Budapest summit declaration, in 1999 at
the Istanbul summit, and, most lately, in 2010 at the Astana
summit. We urge Russia to stick to its commitments that it has
openly made and signed up to over the years. My counterpart,
Defence Minister Shoigu, repeated to me in person that Russia has
no intention of invading Ukraine, but, while we take them at
their word, we must judge them by their actions.
At our meeting I also took the opportunity to address the
proposals in Russia’s draft treaty, because, while this is not a
return to normal UK-Russia relations, it is important that, as
one of Europe’s biggest military powers, the UK maintains strong
lines of communications with Russia in order to avoid
miscalculation and the risk of inadvertent escalations. I also
continue to speak regularly to my Ukrainian counterpart, Defence
Minister Reznikov, as we continue to support the armed forces of
Ukraine.
Since 2015, the UK—alongside the likes of Sweden and Canada—has
responded to Russia’s previous illegal occupation of Crimea with
defence capacity building, including training and reform. As I
announced to the House last month, we took the decision to also
provide lethal aid to Ukraine. That now means that, alongside the
United States, Canada, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the
Netherlands, the United Kingdom has not just spoken, but
acted.
I am pleased with the efforts being made by a range of European
leaders, including President Macron, to find a way through. We
must remain resolute in our commitment to NATO’s formal response
to the Russian draft treaties, which all NATO members signed up
to. Intimidation and aggression, however, must not be
rewarded.
We should be under no illusion: the Russian forces have now
massed on Ukraine’s borders 65% of all their land combat power.
The formations present and the action of the Russian state to
date not only threaten the integrity of a sovereign state, but
undermine international law and the democratic values in which
all of us in Europe so strongly believe.
The Foreign Office has now relocated the embassy further west in
the country, and two weeks ago advised that all UK nationals
should leave Ukraine via all means possible. The Ministry of
Defence will continue to monitor Russian actions, support
Ukrainian defensive efforts and contribute to NATO’s response
measures. We continue to hope that President Putin will relent
and pull back from an invasion, but we must prepare ourselves for
the consequences if he does not. I will update the House, as I
have done over the past few weeks, both in the Chamber and to
colleagues online.
3.35pm
(Wentworth and Dearne)
(Lab)
The Defence Secretary has been busy in recent weeks, so I welcome
his statement today and thank him for keeping the Opposition
parties updated on Ukraine during these grave escalations of
Russian military threats on the Ukrainian border.
This is the most serious security crisis Europe has faced since
the cold war. The Ukrainian people, citizens of a proud,
independent and democratic country, face an unprecedented threat
from, as the Secretary of State has said, two thirds of Russia’s
entire forces now built up on its borders. There is unified UK
political support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and its territorial
integrity in the face of that continuing Russian aggression.
The Government also have Labour’s full support in helping Ukraine
to defend itself and in pursuing diplomacy, even at this eleventh
hour and even though President Putin has proved more interested
in disinformation than diplomacy. We also fully support moves to
reinforce the security of NATO allies, as the Labour leader and I
told the Secretary General at NATO headquarters earlier this
month.
President Putin wants to divide and weaken the west, to turn back
the clock and re-establish Russian control over neighbouring
countries. The real threat to President Putin and his Russian
elites is Ukraine as a successful democracy, choosing for itself
its trading and security links with the west. An attack on
Ukraine is an attack on democracy.
We welcome the message from Munich at the weekend that any
invasion will be met with massive sanctions in a swift, unified
western response. The European Union, of course, will lead on
sanctions legislation for most European allies, especially to
clamp down on finances or critical technologies for Russia. How
is the UK co-ordinating with the European Commission and European
Council? What meetings have UK Ministers had to discuss that
co-ordination?
The other message from Munich at the weekend was that allies
stand ready for further talks. The Defence Secretary has said
this afternoon:
“I am pleased with the efforts being made by a range of European
leaders, including President Macron”.
What diplomatic initiatives is our UK Prime Minister taking,
befitting Britain as a leading member of the NATO alliance and a
permanent member of the United Nations Security Council? With the
most serious tensions and developments in the Donbas, why did the
UK Government remove UK staff from the OSCE monitoring mission
there, when those from all other European countries have stayed
to do a job that is more vital now than ever?
The Defence Secretary said, rightly, that we continue to “support
Ukrainian defensive efforts”, including with lethal aid. What
more will he now do, with NATO, to help Ukraine defend itself?
Can he speed up action via the Ukraine naval agreement? How
feasible is a no-fly zone? What consideration will he give to
support for Ukrainian resistance?
We cannot stand up to Russian aggression abroad while accepting
Russian corruption at home. For too long, Britain has been the
destination for the dirty money that keeps Putin in power. Where
is the economic crime Bill, which was promised by the Government
and then pulled? Where is the comprehensive reform of Companies
House? Where is the law to register foreign agents? Where is the
registration of overseas entities Bill? Where is the replacement
for the outdated Computer Misuse Act 1990? Where are the new
rules on political donations? Why does the Government’s Elections
Bill make these problems worse by enabling political donations
from donors based overseas?
Whether or not President Putin invades Ukraine, Russia’s
long-running pattern of aggression demands a NATO response. Will
the Secretary of State report from his meeting last week with
NATO Defence Ministers on how the alliance’s overall posture is
set to change? Will he explain what action could be taken to
better co-ordinate NATO with the joint expeditionary force—for
instance, creating a regional readiness force?
Finally, does not Ukraine expose the flaws in the Government’s
integrated review of last year, with its first focus on the
Indo-Pacific and its plan to cut the British Army by another
10,000 soldiers? Will the Secretary of State now halt any further
Army cuts, and restore the highest defence priority to Europe,
the north Atlantic and the Arctic?
Mr Wallace
I am grateful for the right hon. Gentleman’s support. He will
know that throughout this process the Government have been
grateful for efforts to be united across this House. That has
been one of the strongest messages we can send to Russia, as is
our being united across NATO and the EU, to make sure that this
behaviour is seen as unacceptable.
The right hon. Gentleman asked about sanctions. My right hon.
Friend the Foreign Secretary has been in conversation more than
weekly with the EU on co-ordinating sanctions to make sure that
the EU Commission, which is the EU’s lead on sanctions, the
United States and the United Kingdom are as closely as possible
in lockstep. The EU has taken the position that it will prepare
and deliver the sanctions, should an invasion happen, at that
moment. The United States and the United Kingdom have laid out—we
have put this before this House—the sanctions that they would put
in place. That is a difference of approach. However, we know from
our own experience that the EU can move very quickly at a
Commission level when it wishes to do so. There is no lack of
appetite in the EU to deal with President Putin through sanctions
should he make the tragic error of invading Ukraine. No one
should play into the differences of timing to suggest that; it is
simply a different mechanism of approach. My right hon. Friend
the Foreign Secretary is also working through a group called the
Quint plus plus—that is, the US, the UK, Italy, France and
Germany, plus NATO and the EU. They are all working together on
these types of responses and are regularly having
discussions.
I will write to the right hon. Gentleman on the OSCE, but I know
that one individual has been in touch. He is a UK citizen. When
the Foreign Office advice was issued, there were certain pieces
of advice to citizens of our country. If someone find themselves
in any organisation, we give our advice to them. Other members of
the OSCE have left—not all of them—but I will get him the full
detail on that as well.
As regards the bigger questions on issues such as aid, Ukrainian
resistance and further support, the right hon. Gentleman will
know that this has been best pursued on a bilateral basis between
countries or groupings of countries such as through lethal aid.
Much has been made of the fact that countries such as Germany and
France have not provided lethal aid to Ukraine. I simply reflect,
as I did at NATO last week, that the strength of an alliance of
30 is that we can all play to our strengths. It is important that
we recognise that not every country, in its political system or
political leadership, is going to have the same view, but in an
alliance of 30 we can play to our strengths and deliver to
Ukraine what it needs. We have seen, for example, an increase in
aid to Ukraine from the likes of Germany, as well as medical
supplies, while in other countries such as the United Kingdom and
the Baltic states, lethal aid plays a part. That is really
important. In order to keep going together at the same speed, we
recognise that if we are going to tackle Russia, we have to be
able to play to those strengths. The EU has a strong role to play
in helping the resilience of neighbouring countries such as
through migrant flows in Belarus. If 1 million refugees appear in
Hungary, Romania or Poland, I would urge the EU to step up and
think about what it is going to do about millions of refugees on
its soil rather than think about it afterwards. That is where the
EU Commission can play a strong role in resilience-building.
The right hon. Gentleman mentioned the integrated review, but I
think the situation is actually the opposite of what he said: if
we read the full integrated review and the defence Command Paper,
they show that we have to be ready. They show that Russia and
adversaries like Russia do not go in with a big bang and just
arrive in a big invasion; they soften up their targets using
sub-threshold methods, cyber, corruption, organised crime and so
on, and they turn up incrementally. Many of the forces we now see
massed on Ukraine’s border were in fact pre-positioned in April
following an exercise and then went home to barracks. That
allowed them to be ready and to deploy in days, while NATO’s
traditional model has been that it has taken us weeks and months
to deploy.
That is why, in our defence Command Paper, we put a premium on
speed and readiness. That premium may sometimes mean less mass,
but that is why we have an alliance to pick up on that; we have
an alliance of 30 countries, and we way outspend Russia
collectively as a group of nations, and indeed on capabilities.
It is also why I am now able to offer our NATO leaders true
forces—forces that will actually turn up on the day, rather than
what we had even in my day, when I was serving in West Germany or
north Germany, which was fictional numbers, which meant that that
when we pressed the button, instead of a division, we got a
brigade. That is far more important in showing strength to the
Russians and showing that we mean what we say and that we can
deliver on it.
I was Security Minister when I introduced the Criminal Finances
Act 2017. There was no greater champion of taking down dirty
money in the City than me. I brought in the unexplained wealth
orders. I brought in the mobile stores of wealth when people got
round the provisions. I helped to set up the economic crime unit
in the National Crime Agency. I ensured that we changed the law
on tax evasion so that we got more people. I also pushed
incredibly hard and successfully through the G7 for the
transparent register of beneficial ownership.
The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right that we need to do
more. I absolutely supported at the time, and still do, a
register of foreign agents. He is also totally right on areas
such as Companies House. The whole Government are now looking at
these issues and are committed to doing something about them, and
I expect an announcement soon on a range of them. He is right
that the consequences of Russia’s actions, going way back to
Salisbury and before, are that we must stop the oligarchs
resident in this country, with their dirty money, behaving as if
this was a place of refuge, when they should not be welcome. If
it comes to an invasion of Ukraine, Russia should know what it
costs to be isolated.
(Maidenhead) (Con)
May I commend my right hon. Friend and the Government for the
robust stance they have taken alongside our American and European
allies in the face of Russia’s threats against Ukraine? President
Putin wants to weaken NATO and the western alliance, but does my
right hon. Friend agree that any further action by the Russians
to invade Ukrainian territory can only strengthen the
determination of the UK, NATO and the western alliance to defend
the rights of sovereign states and to defend democracy?
Mr Wallace
My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. When I was her Security
Minister, it was her support that allowed us sometimes to
overrule the Treasury and to get some of that legislation through
to deal with criminal finances. She is absolutely right. In 2014,
after the invasion of Crimea, President Putin got exactly the
opposite of what he wanted: more forces in the east of Europe and
more defence spending across NATO. If he continues down this
line, I suspect he will continue to get more forces on his border
and greater defence spending across NATO—the very opposite of
what he intends. I hope he learns the lesson of 2014. At the
moment, it is not looking good.
(Glasgow South)
(SNP)
I thank the Secretary of State for advance sight of the statement
and for the updates he has given Opposition parties over the
previous weeks. I underline the fact that we on the SNP Benches
are friends of Ukraine and supporters of international law, and
we support absolutely Ukraine’s right and ability to organise its
security affairs as it sees fit. However, as can be seen from the
Russian security council meeting that has been happening as we
have sat in the Chamber this afternoon, we have reached a
dangerous moment.
The Secretary of State mentioned the new sanctions package
announced by the Government just before the recess, which stated
that it would give the Government the ability to sanction
entities and individuals of economic and strategic interest to
Russia, but only if there is a further escalation. Well, that
escalation has started, as could be seen by anyone following
events in the Donbas region yesterday, on Saturday and on Friday.
Is it not now time to start sanctioning individuals and entities
of strategic interest, including those in this country?
Furthermore, given the importance of disinformation and the
entire architecture that the Russian Government have to spread
disinformation about the conflict they are perpetrating against
Ukraine, should that not start with some of the disinformation
rackets here—the likes of RT, Sputnik and others?
Mr Wallace
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right, and the leader of the
Alba party may like to reflect on his celebrity status on some of
those channels.
The Government already have some considerable powers, and
Magnitsky sanctions have been used against a number of Russian
individuals after Salisbury. In fact, some of the people I met in
the Russian Ministry of Defence were sanctioned under such
measures. We continue to deliver on that.
More widely, the whole of Government will produce a response for
this House in due course. I understand the hon. Gentleman’s point
about using sanctions now rather than waiting for something to
happen. The key point here is that we must be in a position to
threaten to deliver sanctions against Russia if it does
something. Were we to unilaterally deliver them now, but America
and the European Union did not, there is a danger that would play
into President Putin’s attempted divide and rule narrative.
There are plenty of measures that we could take, and we are
planning a serious set of sanctions. The question to President
Putin is: “Do you actually care what is going to happen to your
people, because it will be they who suffer the most as a result
of the sanctions?” It will be interesting, as a responsible
leader, whether he will listen to that.
Mr Speaker
I call the Chair of the Defence Committee.
(Bournemouth East) (Con)
I welcome this statement. The penny was dropping at the Munich
security conference that this is about not just Ukraine, but a
wider realignment of global power with the formation of a new
Russia-China alliance that is fuelling Putin’s adventurism and,
indeed, perhaps taking us towards another cold war. The money
laundering issues aside, which absolutely must be addressed, I
ask the Secretary of State to consider the sanctions. There is a
concern that we are actually helping Putin with his intention of
turning Russia away from the west and towards a new alliance with
China in the long term.
Mr Wallace
If Russia wants to be dependent on China, I think it will
recognise that that will be the wrong decision. China and Russia
are in direct competition over the high north and the route
through the Arctic, and Russia will surely not want to depend
entirely on China, in the same way that many European states are
regretting being entirely dependent on Russian gas. It is
important, however, that we impose a range of sanctions that are
directed not only at the Russian Government, but at some of
Russia’s bankers and those who help the regime carry on as
normal.
(Exeter) (Lab)
I fully support what the Defence Secretary said and the shadow
Secretary of State’s response. However, as the architect of
unexplained wealth orders, the Defence Secretary must share the
widespread frustration that not a single one has been issued
under the current Prime Minister—not a single Russian given a
golden visa has been named. Why does the Defence Secretary think
that we have been so slow at tackling dirty Russian money in
London?
Mr Wallace
Unexplained wealth orders are not a matter for politicians; they
are for economic crime investigators and the National Crime
Agency. I can no more direct an unexplained wealth order than the
right hon. Gentleman can. However, when I was Security Minister I
was the victim of a Russian fraud that tried to suggest that I
had a conversation with and tried to direct the Russian
Prosecutor General.
I am disappointed that there have not been as many unexplained
wealth orders as I had hoped, but the legislation was taken
through and they represent a powerful model. They have been used
against some pretty unsavoury people—I am delighted with that—but
the right hon. Gentleman is right that not enough have been used.
We are quite unique in having them—not many other countries
do—and we should use them more, but we should understand why the
NCA has not delivered as many as we would have hoped.
There are other tools to be considered. I welcome the long-term
commitment on beneficial ownership, and I think we will soon see
the Companies House legislation. I remember being horrified to
discover that a sanctioned individual could start a company
because, in those days, I do not think that there was even an
identity check. That has to stop. There has been some tightening
up, but it will take legislation, and I hope the whole House will
support it.
(Chingford and Woodford
Green) (Con)
I commend my right hon. Friend’s calm and straightforward posture
during the course of this, and I think he has done incredibly
well. However, I say to him that, in all of our debates and even
on TV, we behave as though Russia is threatening to invade
Ukraine. Russia has already invaded Ukraine: it took Crimea, and
right now it is furnishing the Donbas region with munitions to
create even further trouble. When we look at it like this, what
worries me slightly is that, with lots of foreign leaders going
over to see Mr Putin, which is what he wants, we may just get a
position where there is a little scintilla of a question of
saying, “Well, maybe—maybe—we won’t let Ukraine into NATO, if it
wanted to come in, and maybe we will make it clear that is not
something it could get.” Can I get an absolute assurance from my
right hon. Friend that the UK Government believe that if the
democratically elected Government of Ukraine wish to do anything
and ask to do it, they will be entertained no worse than any
other country would be?
Mr Wallace
My right hon. Friend makes a powerful point, and we should be
true to our values. The Prime Minister was very clear at Munich
that the point my right hon. Friend raises is absolutely the
case. It is also the case that the NATO response to Russia—all 30
members—was very clear on that. We shall hold each other to that
commitment, and I think it is absolutely right that now is the
time to stand up and say, “These are our values and they are not
up for compromise. We are not going to give a single inch and,
fundamentally, we are not going to reward a bully.”
(Leeds Central) (Lab)
The Secretary of State said a moment ago, about sanctions on
Russia, “if it does something”. May I just press him on this
point? We do not yet know for sure whether a full invasion will
take place, but can he tell the House what the Government’s
response would be if the action taken by Russia took the form of,
say, a no-fly zone over Ukraine, blockading its ports, or
repeated and significant cyber-attacks on Ukrainian institutions
and Governments? In such circumstances, would the Government
respond with the full sanctions that they have obviously been
discussing?
Mr Wallace
I am grateful to the right hon. Member. First, let me make it
clear that, as he knows, lots of sanctions are already in place,
so these are additional sanctions on top of the raft of sanctions
that the Government brought in after the illegal invasion and
annexation of Crimea and, indeed, of Donbas. I think he is
absolutely right that many of these aggressive moves, such as a
no-fly zone—in other words, threatening the integrity of that
sovereign state—or a blockade to free trade would absolutely
warrant a response ranging from sanctions to other actions. I
think we would look at that at the time, but I absolutely agree
that Russia should be under no illusion that threatening the
integrity of a sovereign nation in the air or at sea is exactly
the same as threatening it on land.
(North Somerset) (Con)
Following the first invasion of 2014, and in order to get around
sanctions, Russia has had extensive import substitution and
investment in European companies in critical infrastructure and
energy—a policy of tolerance, if not appeasement, by European
Governments. Can I say to my right hon. Friend, who I think has
been an exemplary Defence Secretary through this crisis, that
sanctions alone will not protect Ukraine from a subsequent
Russian invasion? We need either substantial improvements in its
defence capabilities or a security guarantee, or both. President
Putin believes that Ukrainians and Russians are one people—there
is no lack of clarity there—and, ultimately, he can be deterred
only by the threatened use of force.
Mr Wallace
The Government have taken the position, as has NATO, that this is
about deterrence and diplomacy, and deterrence does involve
upholding the shoring up of NATO members with resilience and
containment measures to make sure that Russia is contained should
it make the foolish mistake of an invasion of Ukraine. That is
done by our forces, and it is why we have made even more
available, including 1,000 members of the Army currently on
stand-by in the UK to send elsewhere. My right hon. Friend is
right that the heart of this is about defending Ukraine’s right
to choose—not what it does with that right, but, fundamentally,
that if a democratic nation has chosen something, we should
respect that. We are on the cusp of an invasion of a democratic
country in Europe, and that should worry us all.
(Caithness, Sutherland and
Easter Ross) (LD)
I thank the Secretary of State for supplying an advance copy of
the statement. We should be clear: if Russia invades Ukraine,
massive sanctions will rightly be placed on Russia, and if that
happens, we can expect a salvo of cyber-attacks on the United
Kingdom. I seek two reassurances from the Secretary of State:
that we have the best possible defences against cyber-attacks;
and that what is good for the goose is good for the gander, and
that if necessary we could use cyber-warfare to give as good as
we get back to Russia.
Mr Wallace
The Defence Command Paper published last year set out plans to
establish, and grow to a significant size, the National Cyber
Force, the UK’s offensive cyber-capability that will complement
our defensive capability. That is a joint GCHQ and Defence agency
that will be based in north-west England. It has already been
established and is starting to grow. I cannot comment on the
operations that it will undertake, but I am a soldier and I was
always taught that the best part of defence is offence.
(New Forest East) (Con)
What will the Government do to try to impress on President Putin
that even if he invades the rest of Ukraine without military
comeback on behalf of Ukraine, it would be a fatal error for him
to think that he could then invade an outlying NATO state—one of
the Baltic states, for example—without an attack on one rightly
being considered to be an attack on all NATO members?
Mr Wallace
President Putin’s publicly stated view is that by potentially
dealing with Ukraine, or preventing Ukraine from joining NATO, he
is in fact saving us all from a future war; he wrongly asserts
that if Ukraine joined NATO, Ukraine would then attack Crimea and
Donbas, and that would trigger a NATO response. My right hon.
Friend is an expert on NATO and knows that is a fantasy scenario,
but it could potentially be used as a justification. It is
therefore important that we demonstrate that although Ukraine is
not in NATO, we can do our best to protect its right to choose;
and it is also important that we make it crystal clear to the
President of Russia that if he tries this with NATO partners, no
matter how big or small, article 5 is a reality.
(Huddersfield)
(Lab/Co-op)
I am particularly fearful of the possibility of an outbreak of
war in Europe. I was born not far from here during the worst
blitz of the war with Nazi Germany, and every time I think about
war, I remember my family—my father was away at the war—and the
bombs raining down, killing our neighbours, so no one can give me
lectures on this. We must firmly show these despots and dictators
that we mean business in every sense. Will the Secretary of State
join me in sending that message to Putin?
Mr Wallace
I have been very consistent on this. Like the hon. Gentleman, a
number of colleagues on the Government Front Bench, and indeed
some on the hon. Gentleman’s side of the House, were born in a
second world war environment, or have seen either people at the
wrong end of a terrorist attack or death and destruction. No one
comes here glowing with warmongering in their heart; they come
here to do their very best to avoid it. However, freedom comes at
a cost—freedom is not free, as the South Koreans know and put on
their war memorials. We have to stand up to this. We did not
stand up in 2014 as an international community; we did not stand
up as an international community enough. We did send a very
successful and strong message after the Salisbury poisoning—153
intelligence officers were expelled—but if Putin is successful in
this, the ripples will not end; they will go through us all, and
we will all regret it in the long run. Sometimes we must take a
stand, and now is the time.
(Beckenham) (Con)
I understand that the Duma has passed a resolution saying that
Donbas and the Crimea should be incorporated into Russia. That in
some way would give Putin’s plans some sort of legality, if he
were to think of invading. If Putin was to replace the so-called
little green men in Donbas with regular Russian soldiers, could
we expect NATO and the west to respond with just as much
severity, in terms of sanctions, as if he had invaded the
remainder of Ukraine?
Mr Wallace
We have already put a raft of sanctions in place. Russian
regulars have come and gone in Donbas, and they are already based
in Crimea, which they take as their own, in significant
numbers.
The Duma’s latest resolution about Donbas is worrying. The
resolution is about a sovereign state over which the Duma has no
legal authority, and we should not recognise it. The Prime
Minister has been clear that an incursion one inch over the
border—whether that is one boot, one tank or one vehicle—will
lead to the sanctions. We would not accept that as being anything
other than an invasion; it would not be an interversion or an
incursion. We will stick to that line.
(Islington North) (Ind)
At this incredibly dangerous time, I notice that the Defence
Secretary did not say much about the Minsk agreement. Does he
think that is a way by which we can get back to talks? If the
Russians pulled back, would he be prepared to countenance any
reduction in the NATO presence on the border, to bring about
longer-term, secure peace in the region?
Mr Wallace
The right hon. Gentleman raises a point about Minsk. I was clear
in my press conference in Moscow and elsewhere that both Russia
and Ukraine signed Minsk. As he will know, and as we have found
with the Good Friday agreement, treaties are one thing, but the
big challenge is in rolling up our sleeves and delivering the
sequences in the right way. We all remember that from
decommissioning in Northern Ireland, which was easy to write into
the Good Friday agreement but hard to deliver, and it is the same
for the Minsk agreement. However, we all recognise that the Minsk
agreement is one of the ways out, and we should do our best to
support its implementation.
On the right hon. Gentleman’s point about pulling back NATO, we
did not put 165,000 combat troops on the edge of a sovereign
country and hold a gun to the head of a democratically elected
Government; Russia did. We have nothing to de-escalate from;
Russia does. I hope that he will condemn the Stop the War
Coalition, which always seems to paint us as the aggressor.
Perhaps he would like to ask the people of Ukraine who they think
the aggressor is.
(Maldon) (Con)
Has increased military action been detected in other
Russian-controlled areas, such as Transnistria, as well as in
Crimea and Kaliningrad? What assessment has my right hon. Friend
made of the possible threat—if not now, then in the
future—against other former Soviet states that are outside of
NATO, such as Moldova?
Mr Wallace
Russia’s malign activity—we have packaged it up and called it
that—has been a long-running challenge that we have seen in the
likes of Bosnia and Herzegovina. In all of this, we should not
forget that Bosnia and Herzegovina is in a fragile position,
because it is in an impoverished state, the minorities are
already starting to agitate, and Russia’s influence on some of
the separatists could send us all back to the early ’90s.
Russia’s malign activity does no good. It challenges not only our
European values, but the wealth of those states, seemingly for no
reason other than to weaken people who think differently.
(Rhondda) (Lab)
I fear that things have moved on yet further today. Mr Medvedev
has said two disturbing things: that it would be perfectly
possible to recognise the independence of Donetsk and Luhansk;
and that there might be sanctions, but Russia could wear them,
because, after the 2014 invasion of Crimea and the military
action in Georgia, it wore whatever the west threw at it. Will
the Secretary of State confirm that only a third of those areas
are presently held by separatists, and that recognising, or
trying to enforce, some independence in those areas would
therefore mean a significant invasion of Ukrainian territory,
including areas not held by separatists at all? Will he also
confirm that Ukrainians are, if anything, more determined than
ever to face towards the west, precisely because of what
President Putin has done over these years, and that if there is
an invasion of any kind—any troops, as he said—the reaction will
have to be a damn sight harder than it was in 2014?
Mr Wallace
The hon. Gentleman is right on his last point; the reaction
absolutely has to be harder, and unified; and we need to stick to
it. Often, the calculation in Russia is that we will all get
bored, and that six months later, everything will go back to
normal. Minister Shoigu said to my face that sanctions cannot
harm the Russians; they will just go elsewhere, and are
resilient. Unfortunately, that is the view of some of the
leadership in the Russian Government. I doubt it is the view of
the Russian people, who have to suffer the consequences.
We should also recognise the consequence for the wider world of
this invasion. Yemen gets about 20% of its food from Ukrainian
grain; for Libya, the figure is 44%. What would happen to those
countries if there were rising food prices? A shortage of food is
a horrible consequence that we must do everything to avoid. This
is a global problem. Ukraine matters. Our strength of resolve
matters, because, as the hon. Gentleman and I know, there are
other, bigger countries looking at how much resolve we have to
stand by our values.
(Rutland and Melton)
(Con)
I thank the Government and civil society organisations for all
they are doing to expose false flag and disinformation efforts
from the Kremlin. Putin has just finished his extraordinary
meeting of Russia’s national security council, at which, again,
overwhelming support has been given for recognising the
independence of the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk people’s
republics. Before Putin announces his plans tonight, will my
right hon. Friend please call that out for what it is: a
dangerous precursor to the illegal annexation of those lands?
Will he also confirm that, despite our focus on preventing
further invasion, we do not tacitly accept that those territories
that are currently illegally held are Russian?
Mr Wallace
We all accept that the 2014 invasion of Donbas and Crimea was an
invasion of sovereign territory. Nothing changes that. All our
NATO allies agree on that entirely, and have recognised not one
inch of those lands. China, by the way, has still not recognised
Donbas; that is an important message to President Putin. For all
our issues with China, I do not think that it wants an economic
schism at the heart of Europe at this moment. Hopefully, that is
something President Putin will rely on. All these plans—the
annexation of part of Ukraine, the false flags of people having
to be evacuated, Ukrainian “attacks”—are false. They are all
designed to be excuses, or to cause friction. The worrying thing
is that we can all see it. One does not have to be an expert in
Europe to spot what is going on. The worry for us is that
President Putin thinks that it does not matter, or thinks that he
can get away with it.
(North Durham) (Lab)
First, I commend the Defence Secretary for his actions over the
last few months. He mentioned the Russian playbook. Part of it is
about portraying a false narrative around the sovereignty of
Ukraine. Is he confident enough that we in the west have the
ability to push back against the false narratives, particularly
on social media, that seem to infect the debate?
Mr Wallace
We certainly have the capability, and we do everything we can,
both internationally and unilaterally, to ensure that messages
get across not only to our audiences but, importantly, to the
Ukrainian and indeed Russian audience. We could start closer to
home: we could ask the leader of Alba, on his next Russia Today
programme, to do an in-depth analysis of some of those false
claims and broadcast it. I am sure he is open to the highest
bidder, and so will be very happy to do that. It is important to
recognise that in this era, information is as powerful as any
tank. We have to ensure that the ordinary people of Russia and
Ukraine are not denied a free and fair press, and can get across
the message of what is going on in their country in their
name.
(Reigate) (Con)
Under these circumstances, what obligations under the Budapest
memorandum do Her Majesty’s Government accept?
Mr Wallace
The Budapest memorandum, as my hon. Friend will know, was an
agreement that Ukraine would disarm its nuclear weapons in
exchange for Russia’s recognition of its sovereignty. I am not an
international lawyer, but I would guess that if Russia breached
that—one could argue that it already has, with its invasion—the
memorandum would become pretty much null and void. We are one of
the guarantors of that memorandum, which is why we are doing so
much now to hold Russia to account. As I said in questions and in
the statement, let us not forget that in 2010 at the Astana
summit, Russia, including Prime Minister or President
Medvedev—whichever role he was filling—signed up, alongside the
international community, to recognising that every participating
state is free to choose or change its security arrangements,
including treaties and alliances. That is what Russia signed up
to then. Never mind the conspiracy theory that somebody somewhere
said that NATO would never expand. We have never seen any proof
of that; we have never seen any such document. What we have seen
is at least four statements and treaties signed by Russia over
many years that say it respects the sovereignty of countries to
choose. We hold it to that.
(East Antrim) (DUP)
I congratulate the Secretary of State on the leading role that he
has played in rallying the opposition to Russia’s aggression
towards Ukraine. We know that many European nations find the
situation difficult, because they have allowed themselves to be
subject to energy blackmail through their zero carbon policy.
However, Russian aggression against Ukraine threatens the
strategic supply of food around the world, because Ukraine is the
third biggest exporter of grain, at 100 million tonnes a year, so
what assessment has he made of the areas of the world that are
most likely to be affected if aggression should lead to that food
not being available? Does he not agree that that underlines the
strategic importance of Ukraine and the importance of giving it
every bit of support to allow it to defend its independence,
democracy and vital economic role?
Mr Wallace
The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right: this is not just
about gas. We have focused on gas because, predominantly, that is
what preoccupies us in our comfy part of Europe, but in many
countries across the world, it is about food and other costs of
living crises, some of which are far more pressing than whether
we can afford the potential increase of gas. It is very important
that we do not forget that there will be implications right
across the world—certainly the western world—if we do not deal
with this situation and deter Russia. In Munich, the Prime
Minister was absolutely clear with everyone, including the
President of Ukraine, that we would stand by Ukraine and that we
must be resolved together, both as Europe and as NATO. We must
not salami-slice ourselves away on different thoughts. I know
that when the Prime Minister speaks to his European counterparts
he is very much focused on this sense of unanimous and strong
alliance, challenging the assertions, because if we do not deter
today, we will all pay for it tomorrow.
Sir (North Herefordshire) (Con)
I thank my right hon. Friend for the work that he and the Prime
Minister have done. Having visited Georgia and seen for myself
what Russian incursions look like, I ask the Secretary of State:
if Ukraine is invaded, will Georgia be admitted to NATO?
Mr Wallace
Again, it is for Georgia and its relationship with NATO and for
NATO collectively to recognise its decision on whether it
accedes. Fundamentally—the Prime Minister has been clear about
this, as my hon. Friend knows—that this is about maintaining the
open-door policy of sovereign states. I said to the Russians very
clearly that NATO does not go around choosing people. People
choose NATO. They choose our values and that is how it is done.
There is no secret plot to go around undermining or dividing
Russia, and the question for President Putin should be: why is it
that all those countries wanted to join NATO in the first place?
It was not to collect a badge, but because they felt under threat
by a nation that did not want to respect their sovereignty, their
democracy and their freedom.
(Edinburgh South West)
(SNP)
I thank the Secretary of State for his statement. The situation
is clearly very grave, but he obviously has a pretty clear view
of the situation on the ground. The wife of my constituent is
stuck in Ukraine near the Russian border. She cannot complete a
medical assessment or enrol her biometrics to complete a spousal
visa, and because he is not in Ukraine, they cannot use the
family migration route. What pressure can the Secretary of State
bring to bear on the Home Office to ensure that if the situation
escalates, as seems inevitable, our military are not left to
evacuate citizens and families?
Mr Wallace
If the hon. and learned Member sends me the details, I will be
very happy to take that up and look at it for her.
(South Dorset) (Con)
I commend the Secretary of State and the Minister for the Armed
Forces for the fantastic job that they are doing in very
difficult circumstances. If Russia does invade, NATO countries,
particularly the smaller ones and particularly the Baltic
countries, will need our reassurance. Does the Secretary of State
foresee further deployments of British troops to those countries?
If so, would it not be hugely reassuring to him if he had 10,000
more troops in his back pocket?
Mr Wallace
We are hosting the 10 nations of the joint expeditionary force,
which includes the Nordic states plus Iceland and Holland,
tonight and tomorrow at a summit. I have invited colleagues
across the House, including Members on the Labour Front Bench and
in the Scottish National party and the Liberal Democrats, because
it is important that we recognise those countries’ importance to
us as our allies. They are the ones on that frontline. My hon.
Friend is right that they will be the ones most worried; some of
them are territories that President Putin and his like have often
felt are not territories. As I have said before, we should look
at President Putin’s essay from July last year. That is one of
the consequences, I fear, of President Putin being successful in
Ukraine. Where will the ripples land next? We will need forces
for that. We have been managing to double that up into a brigade.
The enhanced forward presence is currently four multinational
battlegroups; I suspect that it will grow. We will be open to
more suggestions.
(Eltham) (Lab)
We should be moving against Russian dirty money in the City of
London, regardless of what happens in Ukraine. I do not doubt the
determination to deal with it that the Secretary of State has
expressed today, but the lack of activity suggests that others in
the Government do not share that determination. Can he assure us
that should there be an invasion, even tonight, we are ready to
take action against that dirty money?
Mr Wallace
It will not have been missed by anyone in this House that we are
all vulnerable not only to dirty money, but to illicit lobbying
or influence by foreign agents—all of us in this House. We have
to wake up to the threat of sub-threshold challenges, whether
those are money, corruption or political interference—all of us.
I am not going to throw stones in glass houses, but all
Conservative Members and all Opposition Members know what that
looks like. We have to have more transparency, as the beginning
of that process, and we have to enact some of the laws that we
already have. I would be very happy, on the hon. Gentleman’s
behalf, to engage with the National Crime Agency to see what more
we can do.
Several hon. Members rose—
Madam Deputy Speaker ( )
Order. If we have shorter questions and the Secretary of State
can therefore give shorter answers, we will be able to get
everyone in; if not, I am afraid that some people will be
disappointed. As we can see, people are coming in for the next
item of business, but this statement is important and I would
like to give everybody the chance to speak. Shorter, please.
(Gloucester) (Con)
The Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that sovereignty must
be respected and that that includes Ukraine. Does my right hon.
Friend believe that that will encourage President Putin to hold
back? Should President Putin still invade, what impact will that
have on Sino-Russian relationships and how concerned should we be
for Taiwan? [Interruption.]
Mr Wallace
The Minister for the Armed Forces says, “Answer that in five
words.”
It is a very important message from China to Russia, and
President Putin should listen to it, but of course the most
important message is that we demonstrate our resolve to protect
our values, because whatever we do or do not do in this part of
the world, China is watching.
(Brighton, Pavilion)
(Green)
The Secretary of State is being slightly more gracious about the
work of European leaders in trying to find a diplomatic solution,
but just a week or so ago he was saying that those efforts had “a
whiff of Munich” about them. Does he want to apologise for that
remark, which was not only crass, but undermined efforts to
deliver Minsk II as the starting point for our best chance of
avoiding war? Does he accept that if the Government are serious
about playing a constructive role, they should start by getting
their own house in order—first of all by repaying the almost £2
million that his party has received in Russian donations since
the Prime Minister took office? Will he finally end London’s role
in hiding the proceeds of Kremlin-connected corruption?
Mr Wallace
I am sure that the hon. Lady understands what I meant when I said
that if President Putin invaded Ukraine, there would be “a whiff
of Munich”. Of course, there were two parts to Munich: there was
the appeasement, but there was also the fact that, all the way
through, Hitler lied and had a plan to aggressively invade large
parts of Europe. My point, as I set out in my article, was that
if President Putin invaded, we would be chasing a straw man when
all along he had a predetermined plan.
I suggest that, before making allegations of that sort, the hon.
Lady should go back to the history books in order to understand
what Munich was about. Then she will understand what I was
saying. We know that, time and again, President Putin has ignored
international law, ignored human rights, invaded countries, and
murdered British people on these streets through orders to the
GRU—and all that the hon. Lady can do is come here, stand up and
tell us that we are in the wrong. Perhaps she should go to Moscow
and tell it to them.
(Basildon and Billericay)
(Con)
I know my right hon. Friend will agree that jaw-jaw is preferable
to war-war, but does he accept that given Russian ambitions
regarding Ukraine and events elsewhere, including in the South
China sea, the time has finally come for the United Kingdom to
recognise that we need to substantially increase our defence
spending on a sustainable, long-term basis? Jaw-jaw is far more
effective if a country has strong armed forces.
Mr Wallace
The Prime Minister supported and delivered the biggest increase
in defence spending since the cold war. The purpose of that extra
£24 billion was to modernise our armed forces, and also to ensure
that we are able to enter new domains where we are threatened by
both Russia and other adversaries. That is the right track.
We have been consistent, as has the Prime Minister, on the
fundamental point that if the threat changes, we should always
been open to review. We should also recognise that we achieve our
strength in the west through our alliances: our alliances on our
values, and our alliances on our defence spending. NATO is the
best alliance in that regard. It is the keystone of European
security. Our spending outstrips Russia’s, and our forces do so
as well. The one thing that we must make sure that we continue is
resolve, because resolve is what this crisis is about. We are
resolved, the Prime Minister is resolved and the United Kingdom
is resolved: we are going to stand up for our values again, and
stand up to Putin’s aggression.
(Angus) (SNP)
From a logistical perspective, may I ask what efforts are being
made to ramp up the provision of equipment and parts which the
Ukrainian military has specifically requested from the Ministry
of Defence? How is that sourcing being co-ordinated with
international partners to secure all the required resources and
kit that are needed for the Ukrainians to defend themselves, and
how are they being trained in the use of that kit?
Mr Wallace
I am in constant contact with my counterpart in Ukraine—we talk
regularly—and the Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary have
been incredibly supportive. We are currently at the stage where,
as I said earlier, we have supplied the anti-tank weapons and
other non-lethal equipment. Britain has been side by side with
Ukraine since 2014-15, so there has been a significant amount of
training and capacity-building, and we will continue to look into
what other options are available. We have those discussions, and
where we can, we meet Ukraine’s demand; where we cannot, we try
to help others to meet it.
(Newark) (Con)
I thank my right hon. Friend for the leadership that he has shown
in recent months. The paradox is that the more Putin tries to
draw countries towards Moscow, the more he repels them and the
more he revitalises the very alliance that he says he is most
afraid of: NATO.
May I ask my right hon. Friend specifically about sanctions? Will
the UK, when it presents its package, ensure that its sanctions
are synchronised with those of the United States, that they
include action to prevent UK banks from handling foreign currency
transfers from Russian state-owned banks, and that they also
include what I know our colleagues in the United States Senate
would like to include—specific sanctions against Nord Stream
2?
Mr Wallace
The President of the United States made it very clear that he
will stop Nord Stream 2. I listened to that press conference,
like everyone else. As for the raft of sanctions that the
Government have brought forward, they are intelligently targeted,
and build on existing sanctions following Crimea. However, we
will of course continue to keep those measures under review.
(Arfon) (PC)
Today Mr Putin is holding an unscheduled meeting with the Russian
security council, which he says will decide on the recognition of
the two breakaway republics. What would be the implication of
such an eventuality for the Minsk protocols?
Mr Wallace
As I said to the right hon. Member for Islington North (), we urge both parties to
have regard to the Minsk agreement. Only a few weeks ago, the
Russians were saying that that should be under the agreement, but
I think that some of those measures go exactly against it.
Perhaps that is a clue to the real intention.
(Crawley) (Con)
When I was in Donetsk oblast last month with members of the
Foreign Affairs Committee, there was some sniper fire across the
line of contact from Russian supporting forces. What assessment
has my right hon. Friend made of false flag operations in recent
days and indeed recent hours?
Mr Wallace
We must not forget that Ukraine has had 10,000 people killed
since the invasion of Donbas. Often weekly or monthly on that
line of control, this affects young men and women who are simply
guarding their border. The false flag operations have been
growing, and the worrying trend that we have seen recently fits
the bill and the playbook of what we can expect, as the Russian
Government potentially seek to destabilise and confuse the
picture. We are not confused; we know what 160,000 troops mean,
and so does the international community.
(York Central)
(Lab/Co-op)
Maintaining a diplomatic focus is crucial at this time, but will
the Government say what diplomatic focus they are bringing to
Russian allies across the world? I have not heard the Defence
Secretary talk about that.
Mr Wallace
The marked difference with Russia is that it does not have any
allies. Belarus is its only ally. By your friends you shall be
judged, and Belarus is it. This is one of the problems for
Russia: it fails to recognise that international alliances are
the sign of a civilised society and human rights. If you want to
be on your own and stuff everyone else, you end up like North
Korea. We will try to use Russia’s allies, and we are certainly
trying people who have more influence than others, but
fundamentally it is going to be in the mind of President Putin
what he does next.
(North West Leicestershire)
(Con)
To what extent does my right hon. Friend believe that the
undignified withdrawal from Afghanistan by ourselves and our
allies has emboldened President Putin and contributed to setting
in train the events that are now unfolding on the Ukraine
border?
Mr Wallace
President Putin wrote his article last July, before the
Afghanistan withdrawal, and I think that that is the biggest
symbol of what his ambitions were. But it is absolutely the case
that people who do not agree with our values will sniff a lack of
resolve and take action. That is why we have to be resolved.
(Rutherglen and Hamilton
West) (Ind)
What assessment have the Government made of the threat against
vulnerable minorities in Ukraine such as religious or ethnic
minorities or members of the LGBTQ+ community? What discussions
have the Government had with international allies about
preventing widespread human rights abuses in the event of an
invasion?
Mr Wallace
In the event of an invasion, it does not matter whether you are a
minority or a majority. The Russian Government’s attitude to
those people who disagree with them either at home or in another
country is woeful and dangerous.
(Wellingborough) (Con)
Given the Russian military action in Transnistria, does the
Secretary of State agree that Moldova is also at risk from the
Russians? Have there been discussions with the Moldovan
Government?
Mr Wallace
Lots of countries are at risk from an emboldened President Putin.
One of the reasons we are where we are today is that, post-2014
and 2015, the west was maybe not tough enough on that initial
invasion. Moldova and many other countries, including smaller
countries in NATO and Bosnia and Herzegovina, are a cause for
concern, and we must recognise that now is not the time to take
our eye off the ball in relation to places that are far away and
of which we sometimes know nothing.
(Strangford) (DUP)
I thank the Secretary of State for his answers to the questions.
With the latest news regarding Russian Security Council meetings
that invasion is imminent, will be Secretary of State underline
what human aid support is available for the ordinary decent
people of Ukraine? What has been done to provide medical supplies
for civilian casualties, whose numbers will inevitably be high
when civilian militias are giving young and old people with no
weapons training arms to try to save their country?
Mr Wallace
First, we should have real admiration for the bravery of many of
those people. Those who saw the President of Ukraine’s speech in
Ukraine will know that it was almost a desperate attempt to rally
people to be more supportive. A number of countries, including
Germany, have supported with field hospitals and medical
assistance. That is as important as lethal aid. We will do what
we can, and I know that many other nations are doing so.
(Gillingham and Rainham)
(Con)
I thank the Secretary of State for the stance and leadership that
he has taken on preserving the international rules-based system.
Will he comment on a specific loophole relating to where Russia
gets its money from? Under the International Monetary Fund’s
special drawing rights, $650 billion was allocated to states
around the world last year, and Russia got $17.5 billion. I and
my US counterpart, Congressman Hill from Little Rock, wrote to
our respective Governments asking them to put conditions on IMF
SDR allocations. Will the Secretary of State now relook at that
so that we can consider all the loopholes along with firm
sanctions?
Mr Wallace
My right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary to the Treasury is here
and will have heard the question, which I will be delighted to
refer to the Treasury.
(Aylesbury) (Con)
Russia is clearly mounting a massive disinformation campaign,
especially through social media. Does my right hon. Friend agree
that it is vital that we and our allies communicate very clearly
to Russians, Ukrainians and our domestic audiences that our
actions and NATO’s actions are simply about Ukraine’s right to
self-determination and sovereignty and are essential to
maintaining peace in Europe?
Mr Wallace
Our actions are about the right to choose. Do not just take it
from me; take it from the President of Finland, who made an
outstanding speech on new year’s day about this right.
(Bracknell) (Con)
History proves that conflict between near-peer or peer
adversaries gets very ugly. Although I accept that NATO’s
potential for direct intervention is limited due to article 5,
what planning is there for a possible cross-border refugee and
humanitarian catastrophe?
Mr Wallace
It is incredibly important that NATO seeks to use the extra
troops to provide resilience, reassurance and containment. One
reason why we have up to 400 Royal Marines in Poland is to assist
Poland should a catastrophe happen and huge numbers of refugees
pour across the border. I urge the European Commission to make
deep plans about what it will do about potentially massive
migrant flows, the like and scale of which we have not seen since
the second world war.
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