: What representations
has the Minister made on behalf of the Welsh Government in relation
to the peace plan for the state of Palestine and Israel recently
advocated by the United States of America?
Eluned Morgan AM (Minister for International Relations and the
Welsh Language): Although international relations is a
reserved competence, I have written to the foreign Secretary to
make clear our position on this middle east peace plan. Wales
stands firmly behind a rules-based international system, and
firmly behind a truly equitable search for a resolution to one of
the longest-running conflicts. If there are to be negotiations,
this should be done in accordance with international law,
established parameters, and existing UN resolutions. And it's far
from clear that this is the starting point of this plan set out
by President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu.
: Thank you for that.
It's more comprehensive than what I thought I was going to hear
today. We all know that Israel and Palestine, the conflict and
the dispute, is the longest-running geopolitical problem in the
world, and the inability to solve this problem has led to a broad
and deeply damaging effect on the relations between the Muslim
world and western countries. As you have indicated, the position
of the United States with its new peace plan means that it has
now abandoned even the pretence of being a neutral arbiter. The
so-called peace plan outlined recently would legitimise land
theft on a huge scale and mean decades of work done by the
international community to try to reach a consensus on a
two-state solution may get thrown away.
I understand that you've written on this particular plan, but I
want to understand what further representations you will seek to
make to the Prime Minister and foreign Secretary to make it clear
that you will not support any further encroachment by the Israeli
Government in terms of the settlements. Many of them are already
illegal, as we know, and—[Interruption.] I'm sorry, I'm being
heckled by . I'm trying to ask a
question, which is legitimate. My question, to finish, is: what
are we going to do to be able to accommodate the people of
Palestine and Israel so that they can live in harmony together in
the future, and so that we can try to reach a peaceful solution
for all that does not reflect in this plan?
Eluned Morgan AM: Thank you. So, we have written to the foreign
Secretary. I think it's really important that, whatever happens
in future, it's based on international law and on equality and on
ensuring that both sides have an understanding that this has got
to be a mutual agreement. I think the real problem with this plan
is that the Palestinians weren't in the room when it was being
discussed. I think any efforts towards promoting peace in the
middle east should be grabbed, but obviously we need to make sure
that it's equitable and that it conforms with freedom and
justice. It's amazing that even Prince Charles, who was in the
Palestinian territories in recent weeks, concurred that that
exactly should be the basis on which any future negotiations
should take place.
: As a frequent
visitor to Israel and the West Bank in recent years, I know just
what a difficult conflict this is going to be to resolve, but I
think we all need to be honest with ourselves in acknowledging
that our ability to resolve this particular conflict is very
limited. So, I ask the international relations Minister: what
action can the Welsh Government take, in addition to that which
it's already taken in writing to the UK Government, regarding
this particular peace plan? What work could you do on the ground
in order to get people talking to one another and working with
one another so that we can build peace from the ground up, in
many respects?
You will know that we as a party have said that we need a Wales
to the world programme. That could include some work in terms of
civic dialogue taking place between Wales and friends in the
middle east, in both Israel and in the Palestinian territories. I
think that that would be a great opportunity for us to have an
even greater influence in that particular part of the world. You
referred, very briefly, to the Prince of Wales's recent visit.
Will you agree with me that it's visits like that that do a lot,
actually, to promote the interests of the people of Wales
overseas and the opportunities that that brings?
Eluned Morgan AM: Thank you. I think we have got to
understand that it is the UK Government that leads in relation to
foreign affairs, but also it is important that people understand
the values on which we think agreements like this should be made.
I do think that there is a role for us in the Welsh Government to
be supportive of any steps that are going to get us closer to
seeing a resolution to the middle east peace problem. I'm not
sure whether starting off the way that this has started off is
going to be the right path on which we are likely to get some
kind of advancement in this area. But, certainly, I agree that
Prince Charles going to the Palestinian Authority was probably
something that was really constructive, and I think his message
was very clear when he was there.