Extract from questions to the First Minister of Wales: Air quality - June 19
Leanne Wood AM (Leader of Plaid Cymru): Diolch, Llywydd. Does the
First Minister agree with the environmental
lawyers ClientEarth that the Welsh Government's plans for
air quality lack clarity and detail? Carwyn Jones AM (First
Minister of Wales): Well, we are looking at air quality and how to
improve it. I'm not going to agree with a firm of...Request free trial
Leanne Wood AM (Leader of
Plaid Cymru): Diolch, Llywydd. Does the First
Minister agree with the environmental
lawyers ClientEarth that the Welsh Government's
plans for air quality lack clarity and detail?
Carwyn Jones AM (First
Minister of Wales): Well, we are looking at air
quality and how to improve it. I'm not going to agree
with a firm of lawyers, obviously, that are not Welsh
Government lawyers, but there is a challenge, of course,
to improve air quality in the future.
Leanne Wood
AM: Air pollution is responsible for
2,000 deaths per year in this country. It's a public
health crisis, and it's your Labour Government's
environmental legacy. That's why Plaid Cymru this week
has launched a campaign, clean air week, and my colleague
Simon Thomas yesterday launched a
comprehensive report on hydrogen's role in the
decarbonisation of transport. Now, I would urge the
First Minister to read this expert-led, in-depth report
and to take heed of its recommendations.
First Minister, this crisis warrants urgent action. Given that a road in Caerphilly is the most polluted outside of London, will you support our calls for a clean air Act for Wales that would phase out the sale of diesel and petrol-only vehicles by 2030?
Carwyn Jones
AM: I think that's too early; I
don't think the technology's ready. I do look forward to
a time when electric cars become the norm. I
don't think the technology's there now in terms of the
range, but I think it will become available very, very
quickly.
If I remember rightly, 2040 is the target the UK Government has set, is, I think, probably pessimistic, but such is the development of the technology in this field, I think we will get to a position where it will become a realistic option. As somebody who has been driving a hybrid car, the battery in my car only gives me a range of 28 miles. Now, that's the problem. We need to make sure that the technology is right to move ahead, in the way that she has described—she's right. In the meantime, what do we do? We can't do nothing. Well, firstly, we need to make sure that we remove areas where traffic is idling with engines on—that affects air quality—and, of course, to see more modal shift, and that means, of course, moving ahead with the improvements we're going to see in our rail infrastructure, to make it more comfortable for people to travel by train, in air-conditioned trains that are more frequent, and also, of course, moving forward with the Active Travel (Wales) Act 2013 to make sure that where we see new developments—at cycle paths, for example—they're an integral part of those developments, so that people feel they don't have to travel by car. So, there are two things: first of all, creating that modal shift, and, secondly, of course, looking to encourage ways to ensure that battery cars have a much longer range in the future, and that it's much easier to charge them, as well, than it is at the moment. I think that's when we can get the real change.
Leanne Wood
AM: I take it, then, from your
answer, that you disagree with Labour-led Cardiff council
that has called for a ban on polluting vehicles by 2030?
Why is Labour so unable to be consistent on any single
policy area? The lack of urgency, willingness and the
lack of being able to do things differently is costing
people's lives. You can laugh and mutter—it is costing
people's lives.
Now, you have already lost a case against ClientEarth and you face further legal repercussions if solutions aren't found quickly. Let me once again emphasise the scale of the problem here. Air in Cardiff and Port Talbot is more polluted than air in Birmingham and Manchester, despite the huge differences in population. This is the environment that your Government is creating for future generations. First Minister, as a very first step, you could ensure that the planned automotive park in Ebbw Vale focuses on the development of hydrogen and electric vehicles, putting Wales at the forefront of the clean transport revolution. Will you at least do that?
Carwyn Jones
AM: I wonder if
she or others on the Plaid benches drive a hybrid
car or an electric car? Silence. Well, practise what you
preach—that's what I would say.
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