Yasmin Qureshi (Bolton South East) (Lab) It is a pleasure to serve
under your chairmanship, Mr Gapes, in discussing this vital
issue. On the surface, potholes and road maintenance
may not sound like the most appealing or urgent of concerns.
However, roads are a reflection of a country’s infrastructure and
ability to provide essential...Request free trial
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It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr
Gapes, in discussing this vital issue.
On the surface, potholes and road maintenance may not
sound like the most appealing or urgent of concerns.
However, roads are a reflection of a country’s
infrastructure and ability to provide essential services.
Good roads are the lifeblood of our country. They connect
communities, families, livelihoods and industries. They
allow ambulances to reach their destinations faster,
citizens to spend less of their already busy lives in
traffic, and the police to reach those in need more
quickly.
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I congratulate my hon. Friend on introducing the debate.
Does she agree that potholes not only present a cost, an
inconvenience and sometimes a delay to motorists, but are
a severe risk to life and limb for people riding bikes?
Some 390 cyclists have been killed or seriously injured
in the last 10 years as a result of potholes and bad road
surfaces.
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I entirely agree, and I was going to come on to that
point in my speech a bit further down the road.
Today, our roads are unarguably in a state of disrepair
that worsens by the day. A brief survey of the facts
reveals that the challenges that we face will increase if
the Government continue to ignore concerns.
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I congratulate my hon. Friend on introducing today’s
debate. Does it not just show the mess the country is in
that the Labour party has had to call a major
parliamentary debate on potholes? Does it not also show
what a false economy the Government’s seven years of
austerity have been? They have made £200 million
available to local councils to sort out potholes, when in
the north-east alone we need £1 billion.
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I entirely agree, and I will touch on that point later.
The Local Government Association recently stated that we
are facing a “roads crisis”. That is demonstrated by the
worst findings that the LGA has found since it began
measuring potholes in 2006. The Royal Automobile Club
Foundation for Motoring has found that pothole faults
have worsened for the fourth consecutive quarter. An
estimated 24,000 miles of road require repair in the next
year, and 20% of local roads are thought likely to fail
in the next five years.
Those issues are not being dealt with anywhere near fast
enough, culminating in an extraordinary backlog of work
that needs to be done. It is estimated that a one-time
catch-up on that backlog would take 14 years to complete
and cost £9.31 billion. That figure is alarming, but it
will, of course, only get bigger if action is not taken
right now.
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Does my hon. Friend share my concern about the amount of
taxpayers’ money being spent on compensation as a result
of the damage caused by potholes?
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Absolutely, and I will come on to that point later.
The decline has been noted by drivers, with 51% of
motorists saying that the conditions of local roads
worsened between 2016 and 2017. Only 7% said that they
had improved. An overwhelming majority—92%—attributed
that to road surfaces and the numerous potholes on the
roads. Most significantly, the situation is extremely
dangerous for those travelling by bus, bike and foot. In
2016, poor or defective road surfaces was found to be the
key contributing factor in 598 road traffic accidents, 12
of which produced fatalities.
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I, too, congratulate the hon. Lady on securing this
important debate—it is a shame it is only 30 minutes.
Three massive sinkholes have appeared in recent weeks in
my constituency, causing road havoc and other
inconvenience to my constituents. Does she agree that
local authorities and other stakeholders must put people
and safety first—above the various organisational
arguments about who pays and who does the corrective
work?
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I thank the hon. Lady for that intervention. Of course,
one of the problems is that local authorities’ budgets
have been slashed consistently over the last eight years,
to the point that local authorities are often left able
to deal only with their legal obligations, and potholes
and road repairs have to be put on the backburner.
Such worries are particularly serious for cyclists, as my
hon. Friend the Member for Brentford and Isleworth (Ruth
Cadbury) mentioned. Between 2007 and 2016, Government
statistics show that at least 390 people were killed or
seriously injured as a direct consequence of potholes and
other road defects. More than 15 times that number of
people are reported to have had less serious crashes
because of them.
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As a cyclist, I sympathise with my hon. Friend’s
excellent speech. Does she accept that one of the biggest
dangers is the poor repair of trenches? Public utilities
coming in and doing an inferior repair is the most
dangerous thing of all for cyclists.
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That is absolutely correct; I cannot disagree with that.
Damaged roads are also a serious concern for the elderly
and for children. Some roads in my constituency of Bolton
South East are particularly problematic. The potholes in
Westland Avenue are so big that when it rains, the
rainwater stays. That has caused damage to people’s
homes. At least four families have had to be taken away
from their homes to be rehoused elsewhere, and two other
families are living in the upstairs part of their home.
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I thank the hon. Lady for giving way; she is being very
generous. I just want to pick her up on a couple of
points. We are spending about £23 billion a year on
fixing potholes and roads. The amount that was given in
the last Budget to my own county to fix the roads was
close to £20 million. We must put pressure on local
councils to do the job properly.
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I will come on to the blaming of local councils, but
first I will finish talking about roads in my
constituency.
Bridgewater Street has Maxton House, a supported home for
the elderly and people with dementia, on it. Over a
number of months, there have been six accidents alone on
that particular road. Again, the work has not been done.
A recent RAC survey found that the condition and
maintenance of local roads was the second-ranked motoring
issue in an extensive list that also included safety,
cost and mobility concerns.
Local authorities have paid more than £70 million in
pothole compensation since 2013. That amounts to
unnecessary wastage of more than 25% of the £250 million
the Government announced in its 2013 pothole action fund.
Collectively, the AA calculates that potholes are costing
drivers and insurers £1 million every month. That
situation is not normal or acceptable. It is a result of
a perverse funding system, as was highlighted by a
respondent to the House of Commons Facebook page.
Discussing today’s debate, Rob commented:
“England’s roads are just one big pothole; the councils
have neglected them through lack of cash”.
That is the important point: it is about a lack of cash.
My local authority has had its budget slashed by 54% in
the last eight years. Since it has to satisfy its legal
obligations, such as looking after the elderly, the young
and the vulnerable, there is no money left. I do not know
where hon. Members expect it to find the money. I know
there is a magic money tree for the Democratic Unionist
party, but there is not one in Bolton for the roads.
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I am grateful to my hon. Friend for securing this debate
and making a very strong case. My own authority,
Conservative-controlled Lancashire County Council, is out
there measuring reported potholes to decide whether they
are deep enough to repair. Many do not satisfy the
requirement, but what we find is that small potholes
become big potholes, which become trenches. It is a total
false economy.
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That is absolutely correct. In 2015-16, my local
authority spent £6.5 million on repairing roads. It had
to find that money. Continually to blame local
authorities for the fact that they do not have the money
is completely wrong. I do not know where the £23 billion
for potholes came from, because I can assure hon. Members
that none of that money has made its way to my council in
Bolton. My council now needs at least £108 million to
fully repair the potholes across the borough. The
Government repeatedly argue that this is a local council
issue and that it is down to local councils to allocate
more money. How are they to allocate money they do not
have? Where are they expected to find that money from?
Most parts of Bolton do not have massive, expensive
homes. Bolton does not have loads of businesses it can
raise local rates from. It needs national Government
settlement funding, which has been cut for the last eight
years.
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I reiterate the point on cycling that other hon. Members
have made: 64 cyclists were killed or seriously injured
in 2016, so it is a serious issue.
On the value-for-money point, would the hon. Lady agree
that using a Jetpatcher to repair a whole section of
road, as Central Bedfordshire Council and other councils
are doing, can sometimes be more efficient and a better
use of taxpayers’ money than filling individual potholes
that then just continue to develop?
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I am sure there are good ways of trying to repair roads,
but they all require money. Even the cheaper option that
the hon. Gentleman suggests requires money to be made
available. The problem is that the money is not
there.
One of the purposes of today’s debate is to highlight to
the Minister and the Government the importance of the
issue. I do not know why people here seem to be in denial
about the fact that there is chronic underfunding and
cutting of grants to local authorities. I know some
constituencies and parts of the country are very wealthy
and can raise enough rates to meet all their needs, but
my local authority needs assistance.
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So do many others, such as Burnley. Chronic underfunding
has led to extremely worrying short-termism on the part
of local councils. They have opted for the inexpensive,
short-term solution, which of course fails to tackle the
actual issue of repairing the whole road. We know that at
some later point, there will be problems on that
road.
It does not have to be that way. I urge the Government to
increase funding to local authorities. They have said
that they gave some money in a package in March, but that
was not new funding; it had already been announced. A
huge funding gap still exists, and the backlogs are still
there. We need that money.
The Government need to understand a simple point: if they
keep doing the same thing, we will see the same result:
we will have to endure worse and less safe roads. We will
have to pick up the personal costs of damage to our
vehicles and the collective cost of wasted taxpayers’
money on compensation. On top of those fees, we will have
to endure more years of this Government deflecting blame
and refusing to take responsibility, when their miserly
approach has come back to bite the people that they
purport to represent.
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The hon. Lady is being very generous with her time, and I
am grateful to her for giving way. My constituency in
west Oxfordshire has a similar great problem with
potholes, on both major and rural roads. I declare my
interest as a cyclist. Potholes are a danger to me, but
they do damage to vehicles too. Does she agree that
prevention is better than cure? Would she encourage
utility companies, as the Government are doing, not to
put their facilities in roads, so that when those
facilities have to be fixed, damage is not caused to the
roads? Potholes are much more likely to reoccur where
there is a structure in the road, rather than on the
side.
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There are many things that local authorities, working
collectively, can do to try to mitigate the problems, and
I am sure there are constructive ways of working, but—I
am sorry that I sound like a broken tape recorder—how are
they to do that? To be able to meet its legal obligations
for social care, my local authority had to raise rates by
3% so it could meet the shortfall in social care funding
for vulnerable people in my constituency. When the choice
is between potholes and elderly, young or disabled
people, the decision is obviously going to be for the
vulnerable person. We need extra money. Not to have our
roads properly repaired and not to have safe roads is
counterproductive, for all the reasons I already
stated.
There is a win-win here. A massive, extensive
road-building programme will create jobs. There will be
more production of the raw materials; there will be, for
example, more factories producing cement and tarmac and
all that is required for roads, and that will boost the
manufacturing sector. It is a win-win.
I hope the Minister has heard what I have had to say. We
need more money. I know this is not the sexiest subject
in the world, but it is very important to my constituents
and to the country.
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It is a delight to serve under your chairmanship, Mr
Gapes. I am very grateful to the hon. Member for Bolton
South East (Yasmin Qureshi) for securing this debate.
She describes the topic as not sexy, but I regard it as
extraordinarily important and alluring. Its importance
has been well brought out by the number of colleagues
from across the House who are sitting here for a
half-hour debate to register their concerns. I am sure
many will wish to intervene on my speech, as they have
already done during the hon. Lady’s speech.
In her speech, she ran two things together: the general
question of funding for local authorities and the
question of roads funding. I am not going to engage
with the wider issue; she can raise that in a different
debate if she so wishes. I will engage with the
questions raised under the heading of the debate. Both
are important—it is not just about potholes; it is also
about road maintenance. I hope I will be clear in my
remarks that far from nothing being done, an enormous
amount is being done. I will set out exactly how.
Let me start by saying that I think everyone recognises
the great importance of the local road network to the
British economy—the Government certainly do—and it is
going to become more important in the future as we see
autonomous vehicles come in. After all, local roads
form something like 98% of our national highways
network. As the hon. Lady says, local authorities have
an existing legal duty to maintain local roads under
section 41 of the Highways Act 1980. Responsibility
lies with them in the first instance, but I absolutely
recognise, as I said in Transport questions the other
day, that there is a case for a more long-term,
strategic approach to local roads.
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The Minister talks of the need for a long-term
solution. Will he consider what the Local Government
Association has proposed, whereby the Government would
reinvest 2p per litre of current fuel duty into local
road maintenance so that we have a consistent stream of
funding long into the future?
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One of the many reasons why it is wrong to characterise
the Government as not investing in infrastructure is
that we have, for the first time in decades, created a
roads fund, to be funded by vehicle excise duty. It is
subject to negotiation with the Treasury, of course,
but we hope to continue on the path of increasing
investment across our road network and supporting not
just strategic roads but local roads. Investment
already runs at a little over £1 billion a year. I will
of course take the Local Government Association’s
suggestions to heart, but my hon. Friend should be
aware that, over the next few years, we will be
investing on a more hypothecated basis at a very high
level.
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On the funding of road maintenance, does the Minister
agree that prevention is far better than cure? In my
authority of Lancashire, eight years of neglected road
maintenance, due to a lack of funding, has led to a
very expensive problem. Does he agree that lessons need
to be learned for the future?
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I agree with the hon. Lady, and she has accurately
reproduced one of the central principles of the 2012
potholes review, which was widely endorsed by everyone.
Later in my speech, I will talk about how seriously we
are taking that point.
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I am very grateful to the Minister for giving way. I
know that he takes these issues seriously. Will he ask
the Department for Transport to have a serious
conversation with the Treasury about the severity of
our winters? In central Bedfordshire, we have had 90
salt runs this year, compared with an average of 50. As
he knows very well, salt does a great deal of damage to
our roads. There is a case for enabling the Treasury to
flex the additional money it gives to councils in
response to very long, severe winters like the one we
just had.
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Of course that is right. Flood resilience and other
funding has been made available, and can be tweaked in
response to that. Many local authorities were not
prepared for the severity of last winter and the
repeated freezes that damaged our roads. My hon. Friend
is absolutely right. The wider point is that, as part
of a strategic and longer-term view of local roads
funding, we can create greater resilience in the
network as a whole so that those kinds of events can be
better dealt with.
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I am very grateful to the Minister for giving way. He
is being very generous with his time. He spoke of a
strategic approach to funding, but will he also
consider a strategic approach to rural roads? In many
parts of Oxfordshire—particularly west Oxfordshire,
where I am—we are essentially dealing with cart tracks
that have been tarmacked at some point and need
long-term maintenance. Will he consider that point?
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I very much do consider that point. I live in a rural
consistency that has urban roads in Hereford and lots
of rural roads around it, so I take both sides of that
argument extremely seriously. The facts are
interesting. Although there has rightly been a lot of
concern about the recent effects of the winter, A and B
roads have gradually improved, by and large, as our
annual road conditions survey work shows. It may well
be that, as we look at the effect of the last quarter
or two, that picture will have changed due to the
severity of the winter, but that is the overall
picture. However, that does not address the issue of C
and U roads, which are a further cause of concern, and
my hon. Friend quite properly raises it.
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I have taken a lot of interventions—
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Will the Minister take one more?
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I will take one more in half a second, but I want to be
sure I can leave a minute to the hon. Member for Bolton
South East.
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You do not need to do that.
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If I do not need to do that and can just run through to
the end, that gives me time.
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I am very grateful to the Minister for taking an
intervention. Potholes do not stop at the border. In
Scotland, where the Conservatives are not currently in
charge of road maintenance—I hope that changes, with
as First
Minister—we have more than 153,000 potholes, so it is a
problem no matter which Government are in charge. Does
the Minister agree that my constituents in Moray would be
better served if local authorities repaired the potholes,
rather than paid out millions of pounds in compensation?
In the end, the taxpayer has to pay one way or another.
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It is certainly preferable, as the potholes review and
other survey work recognised, that it be done right first
time. Roads should be reinstated in a way that allows the
changes to be durable, and road surfaces should be able
to stand inclement weather.
Our overall approach is based on principles of asset
management, increasing over time. The Government are
investing about £6 billion in the network between 2015
and 2021—about £1 billion a year—including through the
pothole action fund. That money is increasingly being
used as part of a more strategic, asset management-type
approach to the roads, which is important. As part of
that, we have looked very hard at how we can help highway
authorities to adopt planned and preventive maintenance
that treats the asset as such, rather than just respond
reactively to problems that emerge. Those principles are
already demonstrating benefits in terms of financial
efficiency, improved accountability, value for money and
improved customer service, and we want to continue to
work on that.
As matters are presently handled, there is a formula, and
rightly so. We do not think councils should constantly
have to apply for the vast preponderance of the funding
that they receive from the Department for local roads.
They should be funded according to an easier and fairer
formula.
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Does the Minister agree that the £43 million and the
officer time spent because 156 local authorities have to
deal with claims from motorists and other road users as a
result of pothole damage and injury is a waste of money?
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I certainly think that is true. I do not know whether it
is a waste of money; it is perfectly proper to spend that
money on people who have claims, but it would be nice if
those claims were as low as possible, and improvements to
the local road network can ameliorate that. The point is
that the formula is in place and is a fair and equitable
way of allocating funding.
I note that the Department has given about £6 million to
Bolton through the Greater Manchester Combined Authority.
The hon. Member for Bolton South East is concerned about
the wellbeing of her own constituents, but the GMCA
covers a very wealthy part of the country.
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Will the Minister give way?
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I will, but I am very short of time and I have a lot of
material to cover. In fact, I will not give way—I am
going to crack on.
I have touched on the potholes review; let me talk very
briefly about a few other things. Members mentioned the
effect of poor road reinstatements by utility companies,
and they are absolutely right to do so. There are powers
to deal with such issues, and we are currently reviewing
and updating the rules, known as the specification for
the reinstatement of openings in highways, to ensure that
the most innovative new techniques are adopted and that
reinstatements are treated properly so that disruption is
minimised wherever possible.
Hon. Members will be aware of something called lane
rental, which we have pioneered in London and Kent. It is
applied to the most congested 5% of the network and
requires funds to be spent on ways of reducing congestion
caused by street works, and not on general road
maintenance. We have announced that that scheme will be
used more widely over the next year or two. We will issue
bidding guidance later this year for local authorities
that want to take advantage of it.
The new street manager scheme, which we have set up, is a
piece of software linked to a digital service that allows
local authorities and other registered bodies to put in
accurate and up-to-date data on live and planned works.
It should enable utilities works to be better
co-ordinated to put less pressure on roads. It is a very
important long-term scheme.
Local authorities can choose whether to have permit
schemes, which are a very effective way of planning and
co-ordinating works to reduce the impact on congestion
and on the roads. About 65% of local authorities have
them. We are about to publish an evaluation of permit
schemes, which shows that they are superior to the
passive notices schemes used by the other 35% of
authorities.
In the minute and a half I have left, let me touch on new
technology. There are plenty of ways in which new
technology can make a difference in this area. We are
pioneering pothole spotting, using new technologies in
partnership with the councils in Thurrock, York and
Wiltshire. It involves high-definition cameras attached
to vehicles to gather rich data about the highways and
assess levels of road deterioration. That project, which
has already won a national award, has enormous
potential.
We are starting to work even more closely with the sector
and key stakeholders, including the Highways Term
Maintenance Association, the Association of Directors of
Environment, Economy, Planning and Transport, the RAC
Foundation, which has been mentioned, local highway
authorities, contractors, consultants, academia and
others to try to improve the work we do and to ensure
“right first time” maintenance and higher quality road
surfaces.
We all acknowledge the importance of this issue. I hope
colleagues will understand my level of engagement as a
Minister with this question and that of some of my
officials. I have outlined my interest in having a
longer-term, more strategic approach that covers urban
and rural roads. I hope that the hon. Member for Bolton
South East shares my optimism as we continue to work with
local highway authorities on a wide range of initiatives,
including the ones I have described, to improve our local
road network.
Question put and agreed to.
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