Draft Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 (Powers of Seizure)
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Chair: Joan Ryan † Allan, Lucy (Telford) (Con) † Bacon, Mr Richard
(South Norfolk) (Con) Bradshaw, Mr Ben (Exeter) (Lab) †
Charalambous, Bambos (Enfield, Southgate) (Lab) Cooper, Rosie (West
Lancashire) (Lab) † Day, Martyn (Linlithgow and East Falkirk) (SNP)
George, Ruth (High Peak) (Lab) † Gyimah, Mr Sam...Request free trial
Draft Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 (Powers of Seizure)
Order 2018
The Committee consisted of the following Members:
Chair:
† Allan, Lucy (Telford) (Con)
† Bacon, Mr Richard (South Norfolk) (Con)
Bradshaw, Mr Ben (Exeter) (Lab)
† Charalambous, Bambos (Enfield, Southgate) (Lab)
Cooper, Rosie (West Lancashire) (Lab)
† Day, Martyn (Linlithgow and East Falkirk) (SNP)
George, Ruth (High Peak) (Lab)
† Gyimah, Mr Sam (Minister for Universities, Science, Research
and Innovation)
† Harris, Rebecca (Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's Treasury)
† Harrison, Trudy (Copeland) (Con)
Jarvis, Dan (Barnsley Central) (Lab)
† Kawczynski, Daniel (Shrewsbury and Atcham) (Con)
† Robinson, Mary (Cheadle) (Con)
† Smith, Nick (Blaenau Gwent) (Lab)
† Tredinnick, David (Bosworth) (Con)
† Villiers, Theresa (Chipping Barnet) (Con)
† Whitehead, Dr Alan (Southampton, Test) (Lab)
Gail Bartlett, Committee Clerk
† attended the Committee
Sixth Delegated Legislation Committee
Tuesday 20 March 2018
[Joan Ryan in the Chair]
Draft Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 (Powers of Seizure)
Order 2018
2.30 pm
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The Minister for Universities, Science, Research and
Innovation (Mr Sam Gyimah)
I beg to move,
That the Committee has considered the draft Criminal
Justice and Police Act 2001 (Powers of Seizure) Order 2018.
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Ms Ryan.
The UK wholesale energy markets are of great significance
to the UK economy. The large sums involved and the
importance of the wholesale energy market for financial
services, industry and consumers make integrity of the
market a matter of national and international importance.
Insider trading and price manipulation in wholesale energy
markets harms hard-working consumers and businesses. It
drives up prices and distorts markets, which should be fair
and transparent. The Government believe it is therefore
vital that the energy regulator in Great Britain, Ofgem,
has strong powers to investigate and punish those behaving
in this way. Strong powers also have a deterrent effect,
making those considering cheating the system think twice.
Insider trading and market manipulation in wholesale energy
markets is prohibited by the EU regulation on energy market
integrity and transparency, or REMIT, which has been in
force since December 2011. In June 2013, the Government
made civil enforcement regulations for REMIT, the
Electricity and Gas (Market Integrity and Transparency)
(Enforcement etc.) Regulations 2013. The 2013 regulations
give Ofgem powers to impose unlimited financial penalties,
access information and enter premises of a regulated person
under warrant. In March 2015, the Government strengthened
that regime by making further regulations to create
criminal offences of intentionally or recklessly breaching
the prohibitions on insider trading and market
manipulation.
The 2013 regulations gave the regulator power to search for
and seize information and documents which appear to be
relevant under warrant. There are, however, cases where
Ofgem may have difficulty exercising this power of seizure.
For example, investigating officers may be presented with a
large volume of documents. Identifying documents relating
to suspicious transactions among many documents of a
similar nature can be difficult and time-consuming. Ofgem
currently has no power to take away an entire body of
documents in order to sift them for relevance off premises
and evidence relevant to Ofgem’s investigation could
therefore be missed.
Section 50 of the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001
enables a person exercising such a power of seizure to
remove material from the premises being searched. This
information can then be adequately sifted to determine
whether it is something which the person is entitled to
seize, if it would not be reasonably practical to determine
that on the premises. The power in section 50 applies where
a person is exercising the power of seizure listed in
schedule 1 to the Criminal Justice and Police Act. Over 60
such powers are already listed in the schedule. The effect
of this order is to extend this power to Ofgem when it is
searching premises to investigate breaches of remit. The
Government believe that this will be a proportionate and
reasonable extension of Ofgem’s powers, which will help to
ensure it can take effective enforcement action.
The Government sought views in December 2015 through
consultation on whether Ofgem powers should be strengthened
to bring them in line with this provision. This measure was
consulted on as part of a wider package of reforms to Ofgem
regulatory powers. It received relatively few comments, as
would be expected for a specialised issue. It is perhaps
not surprising that most industry stakeholders who
responded to the consultation argued that the powers were
disproportionate. One industry stakeholder supported the
powers being given to Ofgem with sufficient oversight.
Other stakeholders were neutral.
We have considered stakeholder views carefully. We must
weigh up the importance of giving Ofgem sufficient powers
to tackle anti-competitive behaviour versus the need to
respect stakeholder views. With that in mind, the
Government concluded that sufficient safeguards will be in
place to meet stakeholder concerns and that it will be
proportionate to proceed with this instrument. The first
such safeguard is that the power will apply only where a
court has granted Ofgem a warrant to search premises.
Secondly, when Ofgem exercises this power, it will be under
a statutory duty to sift information as soon as reasonably
practicable after seizing it, and return anything that it
was not entitled by the warrant to seize. Thirdly, a person
who is the owner of a document can apply to the court for
the return of such material. Finally, magistrates may of
course refuse warrant applications, preventing a potential
investigation where it is not seen to be justified. Ofgem
will have to provide extensive evidence to support an
application, and therefore we expect it to do so only when
it is absolutely necessary to support an investigation.
Further, ensuring that the relevant evidence is identified
more quickly should lead to less disruption to those
businesses being investigated, with more efficient
investigations overall. Co-operation with Ofgem will also
ensure that investigations run quickly and smoothly. The
Government would certainly encourage those under
investigation to help Ofgem in whatever way they can.
In conclusion, this additional power will aid Ofgem in its
investigation of market abuse, but with safeguards that
should ensure that it is used proportionately. I commend
this order to the House.
2.36 pm
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(Southampton, Test)
(Lab)
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mrs
Ryan. As the Minister has already set out in detail, the
order gives Ofgem additional powers concerning the seizure
and examination of documents—I note that those are both
paper and electronic—in respect of an inquiry about
possible market abuse. We support the idea that Ofgem
should have sufficient powers to do these investigations.
It is important that Ofgem is able to conduct
investigations effectively and properly. We know that on
occasions there have been suggestions of market abuse and
it is important that the market is as clean as it can
be—for example, in relation to energy trading or the
relationship between trading and distribution—and that
everything is on the table and transparent. In terms of
what we are doing over the next period with the price cap,
for example, it is particularly important that there are no
manipulations of the market to get round regulations. This
is a timely addition to the powers that Ofgem has and a
timely putting right of the restrictions that it previously
had, under the EU REMIT legislation, to search and seize
documents. The issue is that Ofgem has the power of search
and seizure at the moment, but not the power to take away
and look at the documents it has come across, and the order
puts that right.
I welcomed the Minister’s setting out of the safeguards
that might be in place as far as those seizures are
concerned. However, given the wide range of powers that
Ofgem has in different areas of the energy markets, it is
important that any action by Ofgem is not seen as a fishing
expedition. It is important to have confidence that Ofgem,
as an even-handed and fair regulator, would not undertake
seizures and examinations of material that might then be
used for purposes other than the investigation that Ofgem
is engaged in. It is important that there are safeguards,
particularly on the extent to which Ofgem would need an
application to undertake the seizure of the documents, but
it is also important that we are absolutely clear that any
suggestion that Ofgem has attempted, or will attempt, to
remove documents at any point for purposes other than the
one that it is centrally engaged in not only should be
frowned upon, but would not be countenanced. I would
welcome it if the Minister clarified that that is behind
what his proposals this afternoon.
The Opposition do not want to delay the introduction of the
new powers; I am afraid it is the Government that have done
so. The power was first mooted in a consultation, as the
Minister mentioned, launched on 18 December 2015. Its
urgency meant that responses to the consultation were
required by the end of January 2016—a pretty short window.
As a result of that rapid turnaround, those people in
industry responding to the consultation would have expected
action to be taken subsequently. However, 2016 and 2017
came and went, with no response. Eventually, a response to
the consultation came on 1 February 2018—more than two
years after the original proposals were mooted in
consultation. Frankly, that gives no confidence to people
who take part in such consultations that what is intended
to be done as a result of a consultation actually will be
done. Indeed, in this instance, that proved to be the case;
nothing was done for two years.
It seems to me quite important that Ofgem has these powers.
It was therefore incumbent on the Government at the time to
make some progress in translating the consultation into the
reality of an order. On this occasion, that has not
happened. I do not know whether the Minister has any
observations he wishes to make on why that process was so
unbelievably slow. Were there good reasons why the process
between consultation and the introduction of an order was
so slow, or was it just forgotten about, and has only just
come back to the surface of the pile, and been acted on? I
hope that there is a good reason for the lengthy delay, but
I fear that that may not be the case. In any event, I would
be grateful for the Minister’s observations on that.
2.43 pm
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(Bosworth)
(Con)
As always, it is a pleasure to serve under your
chairmanship, Ms Ryan. I have a few quick points to put to
my hon. Friend the Minister, although I broadly welcome the
additional powers for the gas and electricity market
authority commonly known as Ofgem. First, he mentioned the
problem of a large volume of documents. What exactly is a
“large volume”? Does that mean that any documents of any
kind can be taken? Are there any limits to that provision?
Secondly, the Minister mentioned the responses. There were
only 20 responses altogether, albeit they may have come
from important and large organisations. Were there any
notable exceptions? I could not hear all of his speech, so
he may have mentioned that, in which case he will no doubt
make that point. Thirdly, and most importantly, the order
addresses the issue of documents stored electronically. We
have had a lot of problems with electronic media in the
news recently. Is this a blanket power? Does it mean that
people could access Facebook accounts? Could they seize
mobile phones? Are those electronic documents? What if
documents that are relevant to an investigation have been
photographed and stored on an iPhone? How would that work?
If my hon. Friend is not able to address those issues
today, perhaps he would write to me.
2.45 pm
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Mr Gyimah
I thank hon. Members for their valuable and relevant
comments on the order. The first point made by the
Opposition spokesperson was about whether this power would
encourage fishing expeditions on the part of Ofgem. To
assuage his concerns and those of the Committee, the terms
of the warrant to conduct seize and sift will be clear and
well defined. Ofgem will only seize and retain information
that is relevant to the investigation at hand and specified
in the warrant.
There was also concern about the timing and the sense of
urgency regarding the consultation and the path to where we
are now. The Government have been considering priorities
against a very restricted legislative timetable, as the
hon. Member for Southampton, Test, will be aware. A
decision was taken in July 2017 to take forward the
proposals on REMIT separately from the other proposals in
the consultation. The timeline was driven by the non-REMIT
part of the consultation, which included proposals for new
primary legislation, on which decisions were due to be
taken in early 2016. The opportunity for that decision to
be taken was then delayed. I hope that that gives some
background on the timing.
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Dr Whitehead
The other piece of secondary legislation to which the
Minister has referred comes under another area of law and,
as far as we understand, that has been laid before
Parliament as a negative statutory instrument and will come
into force on 9 April, I think. That appears to suggest
that the two bits of legislation that were set out in the
consultation ran in parallel and not separately, as he
appears to be suggesting.
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Mr Gyimah
The basic point is getting the time. The hon. Gentleman is
aware of the restrictions on the legislative timetable. As
he rightly recognises, this is a timely addition to the
powers of Ofgem that provides safeguards as far as seizure
is concerned. As a relatively new Minister in the
Department, I welcome the fact that we are able to get on
with it. I refer to what the hon. Gentleman said: it is
important that action is taken, and is taken swiftly. That
is why we are here.
I turn to the comments made by my hon. Friend the Member
for Bosworth. I am happy to write to him to give some
detail on the definition and how many documents constitute
too many documents. To give the Committee an idea, there
may be many documents of a similar nature—for example, buy
and sell orders—that may appear relevant to an
investigation. Rather than going through someone’s social
media accounts, if we think about the number of trades that
are conducted in any given day or any given period, it
might not be possible to sift all of them on site. I am
happy to write to Committee members to illuminate in more
detail the definition and limits of what counts as far as
documentation is concerned.
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On electronic media, will the Minister look at whether
iPhones and other types of equipment are covered?
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Mr Gyimah
Documents that are stored electronically are definitely
included. I do not think that extends to social media
accounts. I will write and set that all out in detail.
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I have to say to my hon. Friend that it should. He needs to
look at this, because we now have such a wide range of
communication systems at our disposal that it is pointless
coming forward with an order that does not cover all the
possibilities. I think that should be addressed.
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Mr Gyimah
As I have said, I will write to my hon. Friend to set out
in full detail all the electronic media that are covered.
That will be the best way to proceed so that he has a
comprehensive answer to his questions.
The order provides Ofgem with the necessary tools to aid
its enforcement efforts in this area. That is self-evident.
The proposed seize-and-sift power will enable Ofgem to
scrutinise information thoroughly and to identify what is
relevant. It will do so under the scrutiny of the
magistrate’s warrant, which is an important safeguard. It
will contribute to Ofgem’s ability to effectively
investigate and prosecute market manipulation and insider
trading offences. I commend the order to the Committee.
Question put and agreed to.
2.51 pm
Committee rose.
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