5.48 pm The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth
Office (Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon) (Con) My Lords, I shall now
repeat a Statement made in the other place earlier today by my
right honourable friend Sir Alan Duncan: “At last Thursday’s
Statement I undertook to update the House as appropriate—and thank
you, Mr Speaker, for the...Request free
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The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth Office
(Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon) (Con)
My Lords, I shall now repeat a Statement made in the other
place earlier today by my right honourable friend Sir
:
“At last Thursday’s Statement I undertook to update the
House as appropriate—and thank you, Mr Speaker, for the
opportunity to do so now. My right honourable friend the
Foreign Secretary is on his way to the Caribbean to see for
himself our stricken overseas territories and further drive
the extensive relief efforts that are under way.
The thoughts of this House and the whole country are with
those who are suffering the ravages of one of the most
powerful Atlantic hurricanes ever recorded. It followed
Hurricane Harvey and was set to be followed by Hurricane
Jose. Over half a million British nationals—either
residents or tourists—have been in the path of Hurricane
Irma, which has caused devastation across an area spanning
well over 1,000 miles. The overall death toll in the
circumstances is low, but unfortunately five people died in
the British Virgin Islands and four in Anguilla. At this
critical moment, our principal focus is on the 80,000
British citizens who inhabit our overseas territories of
Anguilla, the Turks and Caicos Islands and the
British Virgin Islands.
Commonwealth realms in the Caribbean have also suffered,
including Antigua and Barbuda and the Bahamas, as well as
other islands such as St Martin and Cuba. We have around 70
British nationals requiring assistance on St Martin and are
working with United States, German and Dutch authorities to
facilitate the potential departure of the most vulnerable
via commercial means today.
To prepare for the hurricane season, the Government acted
two months ago by dispatching RFA “Mounts Bay” to the
Caribbean in July. DfID humanitarian advisers were also
deployed to the region ahead of the hurricane to
co-ordinate the response effort. This 16,000-ton landing
ship from the Royal Fleet Auxiliary is one of the most
capable vessels at our disposal. Before she left the UK in
June, the ship was preloaded with UK aid disaster relief
supplies, facilities for producing clean water and a range
of hydraulic vehicles and equipment. In addition to the
normal crew, the Government ensured that a special disaster
relief team, consisting of 40 Royal Marines and Army
personnel, was on board.
This pre-positioning of one of our most versatile national
assets, along with an extra complement of highly skilled
personnel, allowed the relief effort to begin immediately
after the hurricane had passed. By Friday night, the team
from RFA “Mounts Bay” had managed to restore power supplies
at Anguilla’s hospital, rebuild the emergency operations
centre, clear the runway and make the island’s airport
serviceable. The ship then repositioned to the British
Virgin Islands, where its experts were able to reopen the
airport.
Meanwhile, in the UK the Government dispatched two RAF
transport aircraft on Friday, carrying 52 personnel and UK
aid emergency supplies. On Saturday, another two aircraft
left for the region to deliver a Puma transport helicopter
and ancillary supplies. This steady tempo of relief flights
has been sustained. Yesterday it included a Voyager and a
C17, and I can assure the House that this will continue for
as long as required.
Already 40 tonnes of UK aid has arrived, including over
2,500 shelter kits and 2,300 solar lanterns. Nine tonnes of
food and water are being procured locally today for onward
delivery, and thousands more shelter kits and buckets will
be on the way from the UK shortly. HMS “Ocean” is being
loaded with 200 pallets of DfID aid and 60 pallets of
emergency relief stores today. Five thousand hygiene kits,
10,000 buckets and 504,000 Aquatabs, all DfID funded, are
going on to the vessel. As I speak, 997 British military
personnel are in the Caribbean. RFA “Mounts Bay” arrived in
Anguilla again yesterday at dusk as 47 police officers
arrived in the British Virgin Islands to assist the local
constabulary.
We should all acknowledge and thank the first responders of
the overseas territories’ own Governments, who have shown
leadership from the start and who are being reinforced by
personnel from the UK. Many people, military and civilian,
have shown fantastic professionalism and courage in their
response to this disaster, and I hope I speak for the whole
House in saying a resounding and heartfelt thank you to
them all.
This initial effort will soon be reinforced by the flagship
of the Royal Navy, HMS “Ocean”. The Government have ordered
our biggest warship in service to leave her NATO task in
the Mediterranean and steam westwards with all speed. HMS
“Ocean” loaded supplies in Gibraltar yesterday and will be
active in the Caribbean in about 10 days. Within 24 hours
of the hurricane striking, my right honourable friend the
Prime Minister announced, last Thursday, a £32-million fund
for those who have suffered. But in the first desperate
stages it is not about money; it is about just getting on
with it.
The Foreign Office crisis centre has been operating around
the clock since last Wednesday, co-ordinating with DfID and
MoD colleagues. It has taken nearly 2,500 calls since then
and is handling 2,251 consular cases. The Government have
convened daily meetings of our COBRA crisis committee.
Over the weekend, my right honourable friend the Foreign
Secretary spoke to the governors of Anguilla and the
British Virgin Islands, along with Governor Rick Scott of
Florida, where Irma has since made landfall over the
weekend. I have spoken to the US Assistant Secretary of
State for Europe about the US Virgin Islands in respect of
logistics support for the British Virgin Islands. As well
as those affected across the Caribbean, some 420,000
British citizens are in Florida, either as residents or
visitors, and UK officials are providing every possible
help. My right honourable friend the Foreign Secretary
spoke to our ambassador in Washington and to our
consul-general in Miami, who has deployed teams in
Florida’s major airports to offer support and issue
emergency travel documents to those who need them.
The House will note that Irma has now weakened to a
tropical storm, which is moving north-west into Georgia. On
Friday, I spoke to the Prime Minister of Antigua and
Barbuda. The hurricane inflicted some of its worst blows
upon Barbuda, and a DfID team has been deployed on the
island to assess the situation and make recommendations.
Put starkly, the infrastructure of Barbuda no longer
exists. I assured the Prime Minister of our support.
On Saturday, my right honourable friend the Foreign
Secretary spoke to the Prime Minister of Barbados to thank
him for his country’s superb support, acting as a staging
post for other UK efforts across the Caribbean.
We should all be humble in the face of the power of nature.
Whatever relief we are able to provide will not be enough
for many who have lost so much. But hundreds of dedicated
British public servants are doing their utmost to help and
they will not relent in their efforts. I commend this
Statement to the House”.
5.56 pm
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(Lab)
My Lords, once again I express our deepest sympathies to
the people whose lives and livelihoods have been lost to
the devastation caused by Hurricane Irma. I join the
Minister in paying tribute to all British personnel who are
playing such a critical part in leading the relief effort.
I also welcome the Government’s approach in keeping
Parliament informed of the UK’s response to the hurricane.
In this House last week, we had a debate in Grand Committee
in which the noble Lord, , was able to give us an
immediate update on what the Government were doing. This
was followed on Friday by a PNQ, in which the noble Earl,
, responded.
Whoever replies to this matter, what is clear is the
requirement for a fully co-ordinated response from the key
government departments, particularly the FCO, DfID and the
MoD. Of course, the reports that we have received have made
reference to emergency meetings of COBRA, one chaired by
the Defence Secretary last week and one chaired by the
Prime Minister on Friday. I would be grateful if the
Minister could indicate just how COBRA has improved
co-ordination and our response time to this devastating
hurricane.
I know how hard Ministers and civil servants have been
working over the last week to respond. Today’s Statement,
like last week’s, details all the actions that we have
taken. However, we have also heard criticism, including
from my noble friend Lady Amos, who felt that the response
had been too slow. There has been criticism not just from
this side of the House but, indeed, from the respective
chairs of the Foreign Affairs and International Development
Select Committees. I appreciate that the Minister has
responded to Members of the other place, particularly on
the prioritisation process for British citizens who need or
want to be evacuated. I know that many Members of
Parliament have raised that. However, the key issue is what
the Government are doing in the meantime to guarantee their
safety, shelter and security.
We heard about the emergency situation in the British
Virgin Islands following a prison break-out and about the
Marines going in to restore order, but what support is
being offered to the overseas territories to help their
Governments re-establish some basic command and control
systems to maintain law and order, particularly where it is
threatening to break down, and to put in place emergency
plans to stop the causes of preventable, waterborne
diseases before they begin to spread? The priority must be
addressing people’s needs in these affected areas.
Climate change is making these types of hurricanes more
intense and more frequent. We urgently need a long-term
plan for the overseas territories that is built around
resilience and sustainability. There is value in
cross-learning and development between islands. I would be
grateful if the Minister could confirm that this issue will
be a priority for the joint ministerial council and the
Overseas Territories Consultative Committee so that lessons
are learned, ensuring that we are better prepared in
future. There is no doubt that sharing best practice in
these committees could deliver vital, important results.
We need to guarantee that there will be a sustained
commitment to reconstruction. It is not just about this
week; it is about a longer term future and building
sustainability in the long term.
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(LD)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for repeating this
Statement. From these Benches, we also express our sympathy
to those whose lives have been so devastated by the
hurricane. I commend the efforts of those who are
assisting. As the Minister said, more than half a million
British nationals have been affected.
Clearly, this is an area which is prone to hurricanes but
this hurricane was, as he said, one of the most powerful
ever recorded. That said, there were clear warning signs.
For some time it was tracked across the Atlantic and its
very severe risks were known. It is, therefore, puzzling as
to why we were so tardy in our response, compared to the
Dutch, the French, the Americans and other national
Governments. It is also surprising that, initially, our
offer of assistance was so limited and it is still at a
level which does not seem commensurate with the damage
caused. Perhaps the Minister could comment on this. There
are varying reports of what RFA “Mounts Bay” was able to
achieve. HMS “Ocean” will take more than a week to come
from the Mediterranean.
At the request of the right honourable , in around 2012
my noble friend headed a commission to
look at how we should deal with such disasters and the
pre-planning required. After that, we led the world in this
regard. So what happened here? As a former DfID Minister, I
am really puzzled at the tardy reaction. It is concerning,
too, to hear of possible turf wars between DfID and the MoD
over what might happen and, of key significance, where
funds would be channelled. I know that that can happen, and
I realise that the MoD is under financial pressure.
Clearly, security was—and is—required. What plans have been
made in that regard, and what plans are there for
rebuilding homes, schools and hospitals? Are we sure that
adequate food, water and shelter are now there? Why did it
take so long for COBRA to be put in place?
I found myself wondering if Brexit had been deflecting
Ministers from all their other responsibilities. What
happens when we leave the EU and are no longer able to
support the ACP countries in which we have a particular,
historic interest? I hope that this does not augur poorly.
I realise that we do not yet know whether this hurricane
was so strong because of climate change, but the warmer sea
suggests that that may have been a factor. In the light of
this, will the Government reiterate their commitment to
combatting climate change—and have they conveyed this to
the Americans?
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My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Collins and the
noble Baroness, Lady Northover, for showing support for the
Government’s position and expressing solidarity with all
the people across the region. I will take some of the key
issues raised in turn.
First, on the issue of co-ordination across Whitehall, I am
pleased to report that we are working in a co-ordinated
fashion—and not just in COBRA. I am accompanied on the
Front Bench today by my noble friend . We are working hand in
glove with the Ministry of Defence, DfID and the FCO to
ensure a co-ordinated response. I think that our response
was demonstrable during the course of the Statement; the
noble Lord, Lord Collins acknowledged this. I will come
specifically to the issue of the response when I deal with
the points raised by the noble Baroness.
The noble Lord, Lord Collins, asked how COBRA’s response
has been aligned. COBRA has been meeting every day. It is
not just my right honourable friend the Prime Minister who
has chaired COBRA; my right honourable friend the Secretary
of State for Defence and my right honourable friend the
Foreign Secretary have also done so. I can assure noble
Lords that, although I was out of the country, as the
Minister responsible for the overseas territories I was in
direct communication with the governor of the British
Virgin Islands as the hurricane hit. There was not just
practical support, as shown by the facts and figures I have
presented, but also pastoral support. Sometimes, in such a
situation, you need a voice on the other end of the phone
who can highlight some of the challenges. That direct
contact has enabled us to provide focused assistance, both
in terms of development, with food and water and, on the
BVI, with the security situation. That was very much first
hand; personnel from both the military and the police have
been deployed directly. We are working with the respective
overseas territories’ Governments, as well as with our
governors, who are on location, to ensure focused and
prioritised assistance in whatever fields are highlighted.
The noble Lord, Lord Collins, also talked of the importance
of addressing climate change. Through my responsibilities
as Minister for the Commonwealth, I was recently—indeed as
this crisis started—visiting a series of Pacific island
countries. Nothing resonated more strongly with those
particular islands about what was happening across the way
in the Caribbean than the long-term planning issues around
climate change and how to address it. I can assure the
noble Lord that discussions were already under way prior to
this event but, of course, natural disasters such as this
also help to focus greater attention on the priorities that
he listed.
I take issue with the noble Baroness, Lady Northover, about
the response of the British Government. She mentioned
reports which I would say are perhaps more media-based. I
have already indicated how quickly my right honourable
friend responded. The noble Baroness shakes her head, but
it is just not the case. She mentioned the French—we are
helping the French. HMS “Ocean” is helping to take French
assistance. We are helping the Dutch. We want to put the
record straight—that is actually happening. This is not
about saying, “Oh, look at us and what we are doing”—this
is the level of co-operation that we are seeing across the
Caribbean.
I assure noble Lords that this is not a time for posturing;
this is about facts on the ground. We are in direct contact
with all the authorities to ensure that aid and assistance
and, indeed, the security situation, which the noble
Baroness and the noble Lord raised, are addressed head on.
The fact is that we are providing assistance to our
colleagues from across Europe. This is not an issue about
Europe more broadly, and let us not turn it into one.
Wherever assistance is needed, countries come together at
the time of need. I would also particularly acknowledge the
Prime Ministers and Governments of Barbados and the Cayman
Islands, who have provided valuable assistance to the
region. So, there is a co-ordinated response—not just
across Whitehall, but across all areas, irrespective of
where the territories are or where the Governments lie.
The noble Lord, Lord Collins, talked about the
communication with Parliament. As I speak, my noble friend
Sir is holding a briefing
with MPs. The noble Lord mentioned specific, consular
cases, which are being addressed head on. We are making
arrangements for anyone who wishes to leave the islands—be
they the overseas territories or the wider region.
Arrangements are being put in place and we are
co-ordinating these efforts. My noble friend and I will be hosting a
briefing for Peers on Thursday, immediately after
Questions, again to bring noble Lords across the House up
to date as to the efforts that are being made.
On a personal front, I can assure noble Lords that I have
been talking directly to Premiers and governors. Most
recently, on Saturday, I had a constructive conversation
with the Prime Minister of the Bahamas about ensuring that
we prioritise the needs not only of our overseas
territories—where, rightly, the focus has been—but the
needs on the ground of the wider Caribbean as well.
As to the assistance we can provide—be it through the sea,
through the air or through personnel—I have indicated the
first priorities. In both the BVI and Anguilla it was about
getting the airports functional, and that has happened. As
I have said, my right honourable friend the Foreign
Secretary will be arriving in the region shortly and will
visit the overseas territories to get a direct assessment
of their longer term needs.
I assure noble Lords, again, that, whether it is from the
Ministry of Defence, DfID or the FCO, this response is
co-ordinated and reflects the priorities as we see them. It
also reflect the priorities as seen by our governors on the
ground in the territories and countries as they are made
known to us.
I commend the efforts of all personnel involved and the
voluntary services on the ground. They were prepared, and
that is why we had a vessel loaded and ready to go. The
noble Baroness shakes her head, but it arrived there the
next day. You would not send it in the middle of a
hurricane. It went to both overseas territories directly.
Having worked with the noble Baroness over a long period of
time, I hope that along with the noble Lord, Lord Collins,
we will work together in a co-ordinated fashion. I will, of
course, continue to update the whole House regularly but,
equally, whatever particular information the noble Baroness
and noble Lord may need or questions they may have, I will
be willing to answer accordingly.
6.11 pm
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(Lab)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. I am proud
of what the men and women of the Armed Forces are doing but
we are being economical with the actuality of
far-sightedness and deploying RFA “Mounts Bay”. We have
historically deployed a ship to the West Indies—it used to
be called the West Indies guard ship—all the time precisely
for hurricane relief of our dependencies and to counter
drugs.
The RFA “Largs Bay” has gone because we do not have enough
frigates. A frigate has about 200 men. Every ship in the
Royal Navy exercises and has to pass a big exam about
disaster relief before it goes off to sea. The RFA “Mounts
Bay” has a Royal Fleet Auxiliary civilian crew—they have
done some work on that—and that is part of the reason we
need 40 Marines and engineers on board. The amount of
effort it could put in was probably less than could have
been done by a frigate.
Having a ship there makes a great deal of sense. However,
it was not far-sightedness for this particular operation
because we always have one there. It is wrong to pretend
that it was far-sightedness in regard to this particular
hurricane.
However, my question is not about that. I have been
concerned at the reports of British citizens in various
places, such as St Martin, not being collected by the
Americans because we have no agreement with America. If we
do not have agreements with America and other allied
nations to withdraw our own nationals—not only for
hurricane relief but for other things that might happen in
different parts of the world—something has gone very wrong.
Can we ensure that in the future that this does not happen
and that there are links in place to ensure that people
will be recovered?
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The noble Lord speaks from great experience but the RFA
“Mounts Bay” was dispatched two months ago. I acknowledge
his point that this has been an ongoing deployment through
different ships and different vessels but, equally, I am
sure he will acknowledge that this is done exactly for the
reason that the hurricane season in the Caribbean is not a
new phenomenon. What was different was the force of
Hurricane Irma, a category 5. The deployment ensured that
we had immediate assistance on board the RFA “Mounts Bay”,
which was already in the region. It acted on that and she
was able to visit both Anguilla and the British Virgin
Islands. Today she has returned to Anguilla to help in
providing basic reconstruction material.
The noble Lord made a point about the consular support we
have made available for the population and for evacuation.
Consular support is, in a general sense, exactly that. It
establishes who needs what. I said earlier that, for anyone
who needs to leave any of the affected territories, we are
working with the appropriate authorities to make that
happen. He mentioned St Martin specifically. The US,
Germans and the Dutch are sending in flights today and we
are liaising directly with them to ensure that those Brits
who want to leave that territory are able to do so. They
are prioritising according to need.
We are currently also working on this across other capitals
in Europe, including Paris and The Hague. As I indicated
earlier, we have had great assistance from the Cayman
Islands and Barbados.
I emphasise again that this is about co-ordination with
those in the region. The noble Lord mentioned the US and,
yes, we are working directly with it. I indicated in the
Statement about how we are working collectively with the
US. We have had no pushback from the other countries, nor
in our support have we resisted others. When crises hit we
come together collaboratively in our humanitarian efforts,
and that has been reflected in this crisis.
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(Con)
I declare an interest as having family on the Cayman
Islands.
Is my noble friend clear that forward planning was missing?
The Government have available remote sensing and satellite
technology, which give a wonderful forward look into
today’s world. That technology indicated that this was not
an ordinary hurricane but the largest and most damaging
that nature has seen. It therefore does not take a genius
to work out that there will be devastation.
I can say as a former RAF pilot that I am surprised that
RAF Brize Norton was not immediately on standby, with its
aircraft loaded, so that the minute the hurricane struck
the islands that have been mentioned they would take off.
It takes the best part of 10 hours to get out there so, by
the time they got there, there would have definitely been
places to land. Why were they not ready? That is the key
question.
Sixteen minutes ago, I believe, the Premier of the Cayman
Islands, along with a number of medical teams, back-up
facilities and medical facilities, arrived on their own
Boeing-345 or 347. As far as I can see, they are providing
considerably more medical back-up than we in the UK have
provided so far.
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On my noble friend’s final point, I was aware of that and,
of course, that has been co-ordinated with the visit of the
Foreign Secretary to the islands. I have already
acknowledged that the support from the Cayman Islands has
been greatly appreciated. Returning to a point made earlier
by the noble Lord, Lord West, who is not in his place at
the moment, I say that we are co-ordinating with our
partners and all countries across the region to ensure that
aid is provided in the quickest way along the quickest
route possible.
On the issue of the state of preparedness, the noble Lord,
, is right about
satellite technology but, equally, as he will know from his
own experience—and as we have seen with the path of
Hurricane Irma—tracking a hurricane is not scientific in
itself because it can change direction. That said, of
course there are always things that can be learned from any
experience and a full assessment will be made in the medium
term. However, as I am sure my noble friend appreciates,
the immediate need is about ensuring that the priorities
required in the overseas territories and the wider
Caribbean are met. I can assure him that we are responding
accordingly across the board.
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(Lab)
Following on from what the noble Lord, , referred
to, the fact is that our failure to co-ordinate with other
countries the evacuation of people has been shameful.
People should be held to account for their failure to sort
out that problem as they should have done.
However, recognising our responsibilities for overseas
territories and for the increased incidence of hurricanes
and other environmental disasters, particularly in the
Caribbean, have we looked at what the Americans established
many years ago, the Federal Emergency Management Agency,
and its work? In the light of what has happened in this
case, will the British Government now look closely at
FEMA’s operations to see if we can establish a similar
operation here within the United Kingdom?
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I do not accept the noble Lord’s first point. The reality
is that we are working as rapidly as we can in a
co-ordinated fashion. I do not know how many times I will
have to repeat this fact, but I will repeat it. We are not
only getting assistance but we are providing it.
Let me put it into context. Half a million British
nationals have been affected by this storm. We are
assessing each case individually and providing support to
the foremost in the most vulnerable areas.
The noble Lord made a further point about the evacuation. I
have already indicated that we are evacuating those who
wish to leave the territories or the wider region and
making appropriate and suitable evacuation plans for them.
The noble Lord’s final point was about learning from
others. In all this I have already indicated that I have
been talking, as I was prior to this event, through the
Commonwealth to many countries in the Pacific that face
similar challenges. I agree on the principle that from any
such events we always learn—history has told us that—and we
will continue to do so. However, the response that has been
provided to date is co-ordinated, I reiterate, not just
across Whitehall but across the wider region and with our
partners including the French, the Dutch, who we are
providing support to, and—yes—the United States.
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(CB)
Noble Lords have focused, understandably, on the pressing
short-term need, not least for food, water and shelter, but
I ask the Minister to say something about the mid to
long-term need. It is clear from the broadcast footage that
has emerged over the last few days, including from drones,
that the level of destruction of these islands is simply
extraordinary, and that there will need to be a major
programme of rebuilding of housing and infrastructure once
the short-term need is dealt with. Has any thought been
given as to how we can help over the mid-to-longer term?
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The noble Lord is right to raise that issue. I acknowledge,
and I am thankful that he accepts, the principle that some
basic needs—food, water or power supply—have been
addressed. I will give him a specific example to illustrate
what has been done. On Anguilla, which was one of the
territories affected, the first issue was about getting
specific aid in terms of water and food. RFA “Mounts Bay”
got the airfield up, which has allowed further access, and
six tonnes of aid got through. As I indicated earlier,
“Mounts Bay” returned yesterday to Anguilla for the next
stage and provided building materials for essential
repairs.
The noble Lord will be aware that in the Caribbean bank for
reconstruction there was £300 million prior to this, all to
do with infrastructure spending. Of course, we have already
started the medium and long-term planning across Whitehall,
looking at what options are available to ensure that as
soon as we get out of the immediate emergency phase we can
talk about the important element of rebuilding these
communities.
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(LD)
My Lords, the figures for the death tolls that we have been
given for both the British Overseas Territories and the
Commonwealth island of Barbuda seem, mercifully, to be low.
However, there are media reports which suggest that many
people remain unaccounted for. I wonder whether the
Minister has any indication yet of how many people remain
missing and, if not, when does he expect to receive that
figure?
I also ask the Minister about the 997 British military
personnel that he mentioned were in the Caribbean. How many
are on each of the British Overseas Territories affected by
Hurricane Irma—Anguilla, British Virgin Islands,
and Turks and Caicos? How many are present
on the Commonwealth island of Barbuda where, in the words
of the Statement, “infrastructure no longer exists”?
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I can give a few facts, but in the interests of time I will
write to the noble Baroness with a complete answer. In the
BVI, current staffing is 120 troops, which includes
engineers, medics and marines. Sixteen police officers,
with co-ordination from the Cayman Islands, are working
with the local police—we heard earlier about the issue with
the prison and the law and order situation, which is a
priority. Specialist FCO staff have also provided direct
and additional support to the governor in terms of the
consular support. In Anguilla, there is immediate staffing
of 15 military personnel; nine police officers and two FCO
staff have arrived with kit, including building supplies to
repair the hospital. Regarding other territories and
questions, in the interests of time I will write to the
noble Baroness, if I may.
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(Con)
I congratulate my noble friend on his excellent and
detailed Statement today, and the passion which he
obviously brought to helping British citizens in need in
our overseas territories. I think he was right to be robust
in his rebuttal of the noble Baroness, Lady Northover. I
think her criticism that we were slow and tawdry is a bit
unfair. The Americans have huge bases in the Caribbean and
dozens of ships; we do not, and our response was as good
and as fast as I believe it could be.
I want to look at the future and press the Government to
ensure that we spend, from our overseas aid budget,
whatever it takes to reconstruct these British Overseas
Territories. I am told that DfID does not have brief to
fund the overseas territories; if that is the case we had
better change it. Thirty two million pounds is good for a
few days or weeks of relief, but if it takes £132 million,
or £1.32 billion, we should find it from the £13 billion
spent on overseas aid. These people are British citizens,
they fly the union flag, they are loyal to this country;
they should take priority, followed by assistance to
Commonwealth countries.
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I thank my noble friend for his support and the suggestion
that he has put forward. I am conscious of time, so all I
will say at this juncture is that he makes important points
and, as the Minister responsible for overseas territories,
I assure him of the same passion and vigour in ensuring
that we focus on the rebuilding of these communities at the
earliest possible opportunity. On the wider discussion
about reconstruction and financing, I think it is important
to ensure that there is a full look across all funding,
both public and private sector, to see how we can rebuild
those communities and provide the essential services as
well as the community services which will be required for
the territories.
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My Lords, a previous Prime Minister, Jim Callaghan—who was
a very good Prime Minister, in my view—used to remind us
that, a lie can get halfway round the world before the
truth can get its boots on. I was glad to hear the Minister
refute some of the wilder allegations that have been made
in the press and elsewhere about the apparent weakness of
our effort. It was not weak at all. Furthermore, as he
reminded us, we actually made a pre-positioning move by
having a ship in the area. Of course we all want more
frigates—I always support the noble Lord, Lord West, in his
call for frigates—and of course there were immediate,
individual and tragic problems which we have to address,
but on the whole I think the reaction and co-ordination
have been excellent.
In his role as Minister for the Commonwealth, could the
noble Lord give as much encouragement as possible to
co-ordination by all Commonwealth member states involved in
this tragedy? This is applies particularly to Canada, which
I think is very much involved in the Caribbean and Antigua
and Barbuda anyway. Could he reassure us he is really
working with the Commonwealth members to see that we give
the maximum benefit from that direction as well as the
benefit we can provide to our own overseas territories?
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I thank my noble friend for his words of support. The short
answer is yes. He knows I am a passionate advocate for the
Commonwealth. We have been working hand in glove with the
Commonwealth Secretary-General, who attended the Pacific
Islands Forum, and I would acknowledge her assistance and the
support that was provided. Noble Lords have mentioned how we
work in ensuring co-ordination in this respect for the longer
term. We have of course prioritised support that we have
extended to other parts of the Commonwealth family within the
region. I have been particularly struck, as I said, by the
support that we have received from those islands within the
Commonwealth family that have not been affected. Equally, we
need to recognise, for example with Antigua, the tragedy that
has unfolded in one part of that country. We are also working
closely with the Bahamas to ensure a co-ordinated response.
These responses are only possible because they are
strengthened by the fact that we are all part of the
Commonwealth family. We continue to work for the medium and
long term within the context of the Commonwealth to ensure
that we get rapid responses wherever such challenges occur.
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My Lords, can I take the Minister back again to the question
I asked, and the question asked by the noble Lord, Lord West?
Is the reality not that Ministers are brushing over the fact
that British passport holders were denied access to aircraft
that were evacuating citizens because they were not citizens
of the nations to which those aircraft belonged? Is that not
an example of the lack of co-ordination? There have been many
reports in the press of people who were denied access to
those aircraft. How can he stand there and simply brush over
this fact as if there has been the fullest possible
co-ordination?
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My Lords, we are not “brushing over”—I take exception to
that, because it has not been the case. If the noble Lord
were to talk directly to the governors of those territories,
he would see the passion and vigour with which the British
representation has prioritised the situation on the ground.
On security, the noble Lord asked a question; I will
co-ordinate an appropriate response to him. He needs to
understand that this was a category 5 storm which had an
impact on UK overseas territories and the wider Caribbean.
There has been co-ordination. Great support has been given to
us by countries within the region, but, equally, we have
extended support to others. The noble Lord said that he is
talking specifics; I believe that he is not. If there are
specific cases that he wishes to highlight to me, I will take
them up. We will provide the support at consular level to
ensure that, for anyone seeking to evacuate, whether it is in
the overseas territories or the wider Caribbean, we make
appropriate arrangements. The noble Lord has not acknowledged
the efforts of our military personnel and our governors on
the ground. I assure him that I was talking directly to Gus
Jaspert as the hurricane hit. He was outlining exactly the
situation on the ground. That allowed us to prioritise
security and to ensure that we provided support and security
personnel on the ground as the prison security broke down. If
that is not a direct response to the priorities of a
particular region, I am not sure what is.
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