Pension Schemes Bill [Lords] Further consideration of Bill,
as amended in the Public Bill Committee New Clause 1 Funder of the
last resort “Notwithstanding the provisions of section 8, the
Secretary of State shall make provision for a funder of last
resort, to manage any cases where the Master Trust has insufficient
resources to meet the cost of complying with subsection (3)(b) of
that section.”—(Alex Cunningham.) Brought up, read the First
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Pension Schemes Bill [Lords]
Further consideration of Bill, as amended in the Public Bill
Committee
New Clause 1
Funder of the last resort
“Notwithstanding the provisions of section 8, the Secretary of
State shall make provision for a funder of last resort, to manage
any cases where the Master Trust has insufficient resources to
meet the cost of complying with subsection (3)(b) of that
section.”—(Alex Cunningham.)
Brought up, read the First time, and Question proposed (22
March), That the clause be read a Second time.
5.18 pm
Proceedings interrupted (Programme Order, this day).
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Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle)
Members will be aware that when the House previously
considered the Bill on Wednesday last, the sitting was
suspended, and subsequently the House adjourned, during a
Division on the Question that new clause 1 be read a Second
time. I shall begin proceedings on the Bill today by again
putting that Question to the House.
Question put forthwith (Standing Order No. 83E), That the
clause be read a Second time.
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29 March 2017 5.18 pm
The House divided:
Ayes: 230 Noes: 289 Ayes: 230 Noes: 289
Question accordingly negatived.
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The Deputy Speaker then put forthwith the Questions necessary for
the disposal of the business to be concluded at that time
(Standing Order No. 83E).
New Clause 2
Member trustees
“(1) By a date to be set by the Secretary of State in
regulations, approved Master Trust Schemes must ensure that at
least a third of the trustees of the scheme are Member Trustees.
(2) Member Trustees must be individuals who are—
(a) members of the Master Trust scheme; and
(b) not members of senior management of a company that is
enrolled in the Master Trust scheme.
(3) Member Trustees must be appointed by a process in which—
(a) any member of the scheme who meets the condition in
subsection (2) is to apply to be a Member Trustee,
(b) all the active members of the scheme, or an organisation
which adequately represents the active members, are eligible to
participate in the selection of the Member Trustees, and
(c) all the deferred members of the scheme, or an organisation
which adequately represents the deferred members, are eligible to
participate in the selection of the Member Trustees.
(4) Member Trustees should be given sufficient time off by their
employer to fulfil their duties.
(5) For the purpose of this clause “senior management”, in
relation to an organisation, means the persons who play
significant roles in—
(a) the making of decisions about how the whole or a substantial
part of its activities are to be managed or organised, or
(b) the actual managing or organising of the whole or a
substantial part of those activities.”—.)
This new clause requires Master Trusts to make provision for some
form of member representation within Master Trusts.
Brought up.
Question put, That the clause be added to the Bill.
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29 March 2017 5.31 pm
The House divided:
Ayes: 187 Noes: 289 Ayes: 187 Noes: 289
Question accordingly negatived.
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Clause 11
Systems and processes requirements
Amendment proposed: 1, page 8, line 13, at
end insert—
“( ) A minimum requirement of annual reporting of administration,
fund management costs and transaction costs for each asset class,
drawdown product and for active and passive asset management
strategies.”—(Alex Cunningham.)
This amendment would introduce annual reporting and inclusion of
transaction costs requirements for Master Trusts.
Question put, That the amendment be made.
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29 March 2017 5.43 pm
The House divided:
Ayes: 188 Noes: 286 Ayes: 188 Noes: 286
Question accordingly negatived.
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Third Reading
5.54 pm
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The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Pensions
(Richard Harrington)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.
We return to this Bill after last Wednesday’s traumatic
events. My thoughts and sympathies, and those of all the
House, are with those who were affected. I take this
opportunity to thank hon. Members from both sides of the
House and the House staff for their support and
professionalism in what was a very difficult time for us
all.
I am pleased to see Madam Deputy Speaker in the Chair, as
she has not heard any of this before. This Bill focuses on
master trusts, introducing a new authorisation regime for
them and setting out how they must satisfy the Pensions
Regulator of certain criteria before they can begin, or
continue, to operate.
The criteria were developed in discussion with the
industry, and respond to specific key risks. Although the
Bill provides some detail, more will be set out in
regulations after further consultation with the industry
and others. The Bill gives the regulator new powers to
supervise master trusts, and to step in when schemes risk
falling below the required standards. It also gives the
regulator additional powers when a master trust experiences
a key risk event. A scheme that has experienced such an
event will be required either to resolve the issue or to
wind up. As well as giving the regulator new powers, this
Bill supports continuity of savings for members, protects
members when a scheme is to wind up, and supports employers
with their automatic enrolment duties.
To protect members of existing schemes, some aspects of the
regime will have effect from 20 October 2016. Schemes are
required to report triggering events to the regulator, and
there are restrictions on certain charges until the event
is resolved. The Bill also amends existing legislation so
that regulations can override relevant contract terms that
are inconsistent with those regulations. We intend to use
this provision, along with existing powers, to make
regulations that cap early exit charges and ban
member-borne commission in some occupational pension
schemes.
When this Bill was introduced in the other place last
October, it was welcomed across the pensions industry as an
essential piece of legislation that would protect the
millions of people now saving for their retirement through
master trusts. I am pleased to say that the Bill has been
broadly welcomed by those in all parts of both Houses. We
have listened to the points raised in both Houses, and have
continued to engage with stakeholders. I can confirm that
we have brought forward a number of Government amendments
to address their concerns. In the other place, amendments
in Committee mainly related to how the regulator would
enforce the new authorisation regime.
Amendments on Report in the Lords focused on
regulation-making powers in the Bill, in acknowledgement of
the report from the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform
Committee. One amendment inserted a power to make limited
consequential changes to legislation to ensure that the law
works as it should. We also made a change to allow the
provisions on fraud compensation in the Pensions Act 2004
to be modified for master trusts.
On Third Reading in the Lords, we made one minor technical
change to clarify that regulations on scheme funders’
accounts may require them to be audited. In Committee in
this House, we agreed further changes. First, the Committee
removed a clause that had been inserted after a narrow vote
on Report in the other place, which provided for a scheme
funder of last resort to meet the costs when a master trust
is being wound up without the necessary funds to transfer
the accrued benefits. We discussed that once again on
Report last week, when the House accepted the Government’s
argument that this additional provision is unnecessary.
In response to a point raised in the other place about an
unintended consequence of the Bill, we made amendments to
enable a scheme funder to engage in activities in relation
to any part of the scheme, not just the money purchase
section. The original requirement in the Bill that the
scheme funder be a separate legal entity, and carry out
only activities directly relating to the master trust
scheme in question, was amended to address concerns about
the impact of the requirement on business. The amendments
enable scheme funders to operate more than one master
trust, and also give the Secretary of State the flexibility
to make exceptions to the requirement that scheme funders’
activities be limited to the master trusts of which they
are the scheme funder or prospective funder.
I thank hon. Members on both sides of the House for their
contributions, including the shadow spokesman, the hon.
Member for Stockton North (Alex Cunningham), and the hon.
Member for Ross, Skye and Lochaber (Ian Blackford)—not
least because I can now say the name of his constituency
without reading it. I particularly thank the Bill team from
the Department for Work and Pensions, and everyone who has
contributed to making this Bill an excellent piece of
legislation.
6.00 pm
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(Oldham East and
Saddleworth) (Lab)
As we know, the passage of the Bill was interrupted this
time last week as a result of the horrendous attack that
took place just metres from this place. I echo the
Minister’s remarks, and express my condolences to everyone
who is grieving for a loved one, or who is recovering from
their injuries. I also express my gratitude to the
emergency services, and especially to the incredible
support team working in and around this amazing place. I
want to say how treasured they all are.
On to the Bill. I want to put on the record my thanks to my
hon. Friend the Member for Stockton North (Alex Cunningham)
for his unstinting work on this Bill, to our colleagues in
the other place, who, as has already been mentioned, kicked
this whole process off, and to all our teams for all the
hard work they put in to try to ensure that the Bill, which
is about closing the gaps in the regulatory framework for
master trusts and increasing protections for their savers,
is as effective as possible.
It will come as no surprise to the Minister to hear that I
regret that he has been a little intransigent in failing to
accept our amendments. He might have been constrained, but
I wish we could have done more, as it would have
strengthened the Bill and protected savers further.
However, the Bill as it stands goes some way to increasing
protections for master trust savers, the vast majority of
whom were automatically enrolled through their sponsoring
employer.
This has not been the easiest Bill to scrutinise. The
content is, of course, technical, and an unusual amount of
legislation is left to secondary regulations, which is a
concern. That is becoming a hallmark of this Government and
is entirely regrettable. It has not only brought criticism
to the Government from the Select Committee on Public
Administration and Constitutional Affairs, which has
suggested that the Government are writing legislation in
lieu of policy, but has made it difficult for this House to
get a full picture of how the legislation will operate in
practice.
Nevertheless, we are about to point out a number of
significant gaps in the Government’s approach to the
legislation, as well as some parts that we believe require
further thought. As my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton
North mentioned last week, we tried to table amendments in
Committee to enact our commitment to the WASPI—Women
Against State Pension Inequality—women to extend pension
credit to those worst affected, ensuring that hundreds of
thousands of those women became eligible for up to £156 a
week. Sadly, the amendments were not selected. It is a real
disappointment that the Government did not use the Bill to
address the plight of these women. Labour has a clear,
costed plan targeted towards the most vulnerable women, and
we are exploring further options to help as many as we can.
Given that we understand that this will be the only
pensions Bill in this Parliament—the Pensions Minister can
put me right on that—there are many other pensions issues
that should have been included in a more comprehensive
Bill. As we have said before, this was a wasted
opportunity.
Let me move on to the specifics of the Bill. On the funder
of last resort, it is a shame that the Government did not
heed the advice of our noble Friends in the other place and
provide for a funder of last resort. Our amendment would
have ensured that scheme members were protected in the
event of a master trust becoming insolvent, and would have
offered them a clear route for the drawdown of their
savings. The Minister believes that the new regulatory
framework provides sufficient protection to make this
provision unnecessary, yet he seemed unwilling to give a
guarantee that no future master trust would go bust. I am
glad that he has such faith in the regulatory regime, and I
genuinely hope, for the sake of scheme members, that his
faith is justified.
We hope to improve the clauses relating to pause orders.
Under the legislation, the regulator can step in following
a triggering event to halt accumulation and decumulation
from a failing master trust. The Government have made an
exception for people getting divorced to allow them to
access funds held under a pause order, but they did not see
fit to offer the same opportunity to, for example, disabled
people or those in ill health. This is likely to cause
distress to those who desperately need to draw down their
savings. The Government did little to consider what would
happen to savers affected by a pause order who wished to
continue putting aside contributions from their salary and
their sponsoring employer for retirement. Our amendment
suggested that the employer take responsibility for holding
on to these savings until the pause order ended or a new
master trust was found. The Government again unfortunately
rejected this practical suggestion.
The lack of transparency of costs and charges is a scandal
of the pensions industry, and there have been Government
promises to tackle it for years. I remember, several years
ago, being a member of the Select Committee on Work and
Pensions, and one of the Treasury Ministers in the last
Parliament promising that this would be done, but we are
still waiting. It is one of those issues that we are taking
far too long to tackle. I appreciate that a review will be
published at the end of the year, but that will be too late
for legislation. Again, it will be up to the industry to
determine what, how and when it will publish its costs.
The matter of charges is a real scandal. I wonder whether
anybody here knows the charges on their pension scheme. The
charges affecting all savers have been estimated at up to
£120 billion a year. We need to decide whose side we are
on. Are we going to look after savers or prop up the
pensions industry? We tried to raise the issue of opaque
costs and charges being applied to members’ savings pots by
investment managers and brokers, but again, the Government
failed to respond. For too long, people have been
encouraged to put their faith and, more importantly, their
money in a distant savings pot, with very little
information about where that money is invested, the
performance of their savings and, importantly, the costs
and charges incurred on the investment. In short, neither
the scheme trustees nor the scheme members have been able
adequately to ascertain whether they are getting value for
money on their investments. In almost every other market,
people looking to purchase goods or services are provided
with basic information about performance and cost in
advance of their purchase. This is a necessary requirement
to ensure that they are getting value for money, yet this
basic principle is not operating in our pensions system.
Part 2 of the Bill makes a small step towards greater
transparency regarding the charges applied for those hoping
to make the most of pension freedoms and to remove their
savings from a master trust, but we maintain that it is not
enough. Much more could have been done to shine a light on
transaction costs applied to investment returns. The
Minister committed the Government to implementing the
recommendations of the Financial Conduct Authority’s report
on the asset management market. Surely this would have been
a great opportunity for the Government to make a start.
There is a lot of work to be done to tackle the problem of
opaque and excessive costs and charges being extracted from
workers’ savings by investment managers. This Bill merely
scratches the surface. The question of governance also
remains unanswered by the Government, despite the
Opposition’s attempts to clarify. We believe that the Bill
should have increased member representation on trustee
boards. Their money is being invested, and they should be
involved. The Pensions Act 1995 introduced the requirement
for company pension schemes to have member-nominated
trustees. If the scheme’s sole trustee is a company
including the employer, rather than an individual, scheme
members will have the right to nominate directors to that
company.
The Pensions Act 2004 enshrined the right to have at least
a third of the trustees of a trust-based scheme nominated
by scheme members. That stems from the basic democratic
principle that those for whom decisions are being taken
should have a say in those decisions. The Pensions
Regulator agrees that master trusts are covered by that
legislation, which is why some already have
member-nominated trustees.
The regulator has, however, turned a blind eye to this
matter, on the basis that having multiple sponsoring
employers presents a barrier. That is not acceptable, and
we have urged the Government to clarify and apply the law
in this regard. Scheme members should be represented among
the trustees of master trust funds—it is, as I said, their
money, and they have a direct interest in ensuring there is
a sound and sustainable investment strategy that delivers
good value. It is disappointing that the Government did not
take up this matter, which requires urgent action. Nor was
a convincing argument given as to why master trusts should
not have to meet their statutory requirements, especially
in the light of the increased risk being borne by scheme
members.
It is also disappointing that the Bill does nothing to
build on the success of Labour’s policy on auto-enrolment
by ensuring that saving into master trusts is accessible
and encouraged for a number of groups that were excluded
from auto-enrolment by the Government’s changes to the
eligibility criteria. Throughout these debates, we have
recognised that the Government have announced a review of
auto-enrolment, but we have not yet heard an explanation of
why it comes after the Bill. The self-employed, women,
those working multiple jobs, carers and people on low
incomes could all benefit hugely from an enhanced
opportunity to save towards their retirement. Although the
Government did not feel they could commit to a proper
statutory basis for their review, we shall hold them to
account in the review itself to ensure it properly serves
excluded groups.
To conclude, we of course welcome legislation to strengthen
the regulatory footing of master trusts. We have, however,
tried throughout these debates to address a number of
serious issues through pragmatic engagement with the Bill,
and by highlighting its many gaps. One would think that the
Government would have had time to include much more detail
on this piece of primary legislation to allow for proper
scrutiny in both Houses. It seems, however, that they were
unable to get their act together on this aspect of
pensions. [Interruption.] There is some chuntering from the
Government Benches—I think there is dissent there. However,
we hope that, through these debates, we have at least drawn
attention to these important issues, and to the need to
create further security and dignity in retirement for
working families across the UK.
6.12 pm
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(Ross, Skye and
Lochaber) (SNP)
May I associate myself with the remarks made by the Minister
and the hon. Member for Oldham East and Saddleworth (Debbie
Abrahams) about the events of last Wednesday? We should
reflect on the fact that those events were unfolding outside
this Chamber while we were having our debate. Our thoughts
are very much with those who, in the line of duty, defended
our interests, including the police officer who lost his
life, as well as with the others who lost their lives, those
who have been injured and all those who have been affected.
As we have this debate, we should reflect on the
responsibility that all Members have to build an architecture
that creates a climate in which consumers around the UK can
safely invest in pension schemes and savings, and in which
there is an element of trust. I broadly welcome the Bill’s
role in improving the landscape. It is an important step
forward in so far as it puts in place the necessary
protection for those who are investing through
auto-enrolment. It is crucial that we have the regulation in
the Bill.
Like the Labour spokesperson, the hon. Member for Oldham East
and Saddleworth, I would have been happier if the Government
had accepted some of our amendments. Having said that, I was
very much encouraged by the Minister’s response last week,
particularly to an amendment I tabled regarding section 75 of
the Pensions Act 1995. I welcome the commitment to revisiting
this issue. As has been said, the Bill has to be seen in the
wider context of what we are seeking to achieve on pensions.
Two of my new clauses were not selected for debate, one of
which was on the establishment of a pensions and savings
commission. I still believe that the Government should
consider that proposal, because an awful lot is going on in
this landscape, some of which was described by the hon.
Member for Oldham East and Saddleworth. There is the
forthcoming review of auto-enrolment. We have had the
Cridland review, the Green Paper on defined-benefit pension
schemes and the FCA paper. I think that there is a
willingness among all of us to work collegiately to improve
the interrelationship of all these factors. I look forward to
the debates that we will have in taking this forward. This
all comes back to my point about how we can create further
confidence so that we get effective saving in the pensions
landscape.
I put this in the context of the Green Paper, one of the most
striking features of which is the indication at its beginning
that the average defined-benefit pot is £7,000. We all have
to accept that pension savings are not at an appropriate
level. We all want people to save to such an extent that they
can have dignity in retirement through both their workplace
pension and the state pension provision. I look forward to
working with the Government on the review of auto-enrolment.
While we are improving the protection for today’s consumers,
we need to do more to protect other people, particularly a
lot of women who have been excluded, such as those in
part-time jobs who are below the threshold, and the
self-employed.
I applaud the Government for what they are doing. While the
Bill is a very necessary step forward, there is much more
that we can do by working together for the mutual benefit of
those who invest in pension schemes.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill accordingly read the Third time and passed, with
amendments.
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