Dame Margaret Hodge (Barking) (Lab) I beg to move, That this House
has considered the matter of countering hostile activities by Iran.
It is a pleasure to speak under your chairship, Mr Henderson. I am
particularly grateful to the right hon. Member for Chingford and
Woodford Green (Sir Iain Duncan Smith) for co-sponsoring the
debate. My thanks also go to Redress and Labour Friends of Israel
for the briefings that they have provided. Our focus is on the
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Dame (Barking) (Lab)
I beg to move,
That this House has considered the matter of countering hostile
activities by Iran.
It is a pleasure to speak under your chairship, Mr Henderson. I
am particularly grateful to the right hon. Member for Chingford
and Woodford Green (Sir ) for co-sponsoring the
debate. My thanks also go to Redress and Labour Friends of Israel
for the briefings that they have provided. Our focus is on the
active role that Britain is wittingly or unwittingly playing in
supporting Iran and its agents as they pursue their violent,
repressive and hostile activities here in the UK and across the
world. We have some practical asks of the Government, to which I
hope the Minister will respond when she replies to the
debate.
It is now almost a month since we woke up to the news that Iran
had launched 300 drones and missiles at Israel, following
Israel's attack on the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps leaders
in Damascus. That was the first direct attack by Iranians on
Israel's soil in the horrendous conflict that is taking place in
the middle east, but it sits within a wider context of the threat
that Iran poses not just to Israel, but to Britain and to our
western allies. Iran is listed alongside Russia and China by our
security services as a hostile state, and yet, in the words of
the commissioner at the Commission for Countering Extremism,
Robin Simcox,
“what is underappreciated is the scale of Iranian-backed activity
in this country; and the extent to which Iran attempts to stoke
extremism here.”
Mostly, Iran works through its agents. At their heart is the
IRGC, Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. We all remember
the protests in Iran following the death in custody of
22-year-old Mahsa Amini, arrested simply for refusing to wear a
hijab. The widespread protests that followed her death, with
women removing their headscarves and chanting, “Women, life,
freedom”, were violently crushed by the IRGC. More than 500
protesters were killed, more than 19,400 individuals were
arrested and at least 27 protesters have been given a death
sentence, of whom seven have been executed.
In Iran, the IRGC is renowned for its brutality and violence, for
undermining human rights and democracy, and for being a terrorist
paramilitary organisation that acts as the ideological custodian
of the Islamic Republic. But its influence extends to Britain and
to our allies. Since the fatwa against Salman Rushdie in 1989,
the IRGC has targeted British nationals and Iranian opposition
activists living in exile here on our soil. In 2022, the head of
MI5, Ken McCallum, warned that Iran's intelligence services had
made at least 15 credible threats to kidnap or even kill
individuals living here in Britain. Such actions pose a
significant threat to our national security.
Attacks on journalists who seek to hold the Iranian regime to
public account are particularly horrific. Those journalists have
been described by Iran as “enemies of the state”. We had the
terrifying attack on Pouria Zeraati, who worked as a journalist
for Iran International, a Persian-language opposition TV channel,
and was stabbed in the leg outside his home in Wimbledon. We
learned about the threat and harassment meted out to BBC
journalists working for BBC Persian. For example, Rana Rahimpour,
who worked for the BBC for 15 years, had her car broken into, a
listening device installed in it and her phone tapped, and the
conversations were misleadingly edited and broadcast in Iran to
suggest that she supported the regime. That led to attacks on her
from those who oppose the regime. In the end, she quit her job
because of the pressure on her and her family, saying:
“They don't want fair, trusted or impartial news to reach the
shores of my homeland.”
A recent report by Reporters Without Borders says that London has
become a “hot spot” for transnational repression. Iran also seeks
to influence public opinion by spreading propaganda. There are
concerning ties between the IRGC and local Islamic centres in
cities such London, Manchester and Glasgow. According to Policy
Exchange, the Islamic Centre of England, which is located in a
converted cinema in Maida Vale, is the centre of Iranian
influences in the UK. The head of the centre is directly
appointed by Ayatollah Khamenei. Senior clerical figures
travelled freely from Iran to the centre in the UK to voice their
repressive ideology, while at the same time Nazanin
Zaghari-Ratcliffe was languishing in a prison in Iran.
Similarly, the Kanoon Towhid Islamic centre in west London is
used as a meeting place for the Islamic Students Association of
Britain. There, IRCG commanders lecture students on the evils of
Israel and its western allies. “Death to Israel,” proclaimed one
IRCG commander, who also claimed the holocaust was
“a lie and a fake”.
Another claimed that they are engaged in
“an apocalyptic war that will end the lives of Jews”.
All that is going on within our shores, in our communities and
places of worship in Britain. That is just a small part of the
nefarious activities in which Iran is engaged, which also include
providing weapons to Russia in Ukraine, and to Hezbollah, Hamas
and the Houthis in the middle east. Even worse, our financial
institutions are facilitating Iran's wrongdoing.
Sir (Chingford and Woodford
Green) (Con)
The right hon. Lady is making an excellent speech to which I am
listening carefully. I would press slightly on one other issue.
It is quite clear, through links that I will set out later, that
the Hamas attacks were organised by the IRGC. That came at a time
when Russia had been under pressure in Ukraine. Iran has links to
the Russians and this has taken the pressure off them, as most of
the focus has gone to Gaza. Does the right hon. Lady agree that,
on a wider front, this is an absolute threat to us all?
Dame
I absolutely take that point. My attempts to condense everything
I wanted to say in the time available did not allow me to give
more time to that very important link.
Our financial institutions are helping Iran and its agents to
pursue their evil objectives. Two banks—Bank Saderat and Melli
Bank—sanctioned by the USA for supporting the IRGC and other
military-related activities, have active subsidiaries in London.
They operate out of the heart of London in Lothbury and
Kensington High Street, funnelling funds from Iran to the
state-controlled agencies in the UK.
In February, the Financial Times revealed that two of the UK's
largest banks—Santander and Lloyd's—had provided accounts for
firms connected to Iran's state-controlled Petrochemical
Commercial Company. US officials believe that that company has
funnelled hundreds of millions of dollars to the IRGC, and that
it has worked with Russian intelligence agencies to raise money
for the Iranian proxy militia. Money in the hands of rogue states
and terrorists is a deadly weapon. There is a real risk of the UK
becoming a safe haven for Iranian perpetrators of human rights
violations and international crimes. Those bad actors must not be
permitted to seek shelter, threaten UK citizens and residents or
accumulate funds and other resources to support their
actions.
I am afraid that our response so far does not match the scale of
the threat we face. We are working with our allies to counter
Iran's hostile activities, but the Government must do more at
home to target both the IRGC and its enablers. There are three
key levers that I urge the Minister to consider. First, I call on
the Government to act firmly and proscribe the IRGC as a
terrorist group. Action against what is clearly a hostile
state-sponsored threat is long overdue.
Secondly, the Government must ramp up their efforts to impose
sanctions on the members of the IRGC. I recognise that
significant strides have been made in sanctioning the IRGC as an
entity and several of its commanders. Indeed, the Government's
new Iran sanctions regime gives us the enhanced powers we need to
target those involved in supporting the Iranian regime's human
rights violations across the world. That includes those who
finance or are associated with Iran's hostile activities, as well
as any entities involved in the production and export of Iranian
weapons. Imposing sanctions on IRGC agents, or other associated
entities, would allow us to freeze their UK assets, deport those
without UK citizenship, and prevent any UK persons from dealing
with them. We must make full use of those powers and target a far
broader range of agents, including networks of individuals and
companies associated with the IRGC.
Thirdly, we must ensure full transparency over who owns or
controls UK companies, properties and trusts so that all the
assets and individuals associated with the IRGC can be
appropriately referred to the enforcement authorities. Any UK
companies or individuals dealing with the Iranian Government or
the IRGC, by facilitating transactions on their behalf or by
supplying them with military equipment or other resources, is
likely to be in breach of the existing UK sanctions regime.
Entities regulated by the UK's Financial Conduct Authority, such
as Bank Saderat and Melli Bank, could be referred to the FCA for
failures in their sanctions screening and failures in customer
due diligence checks.
Those measures would send a message to Iran, to the IRGC, and to
other hostile state-sponsored threats: the UK will not serve as a
conduit for the financing of conflict and terror. The UK will not
stand by as foreign agents intimidate and threaten people on our
soil. Finally, the UK will not stand as a safe haven for
perpetrators of human rights violations and international
crimes.2.43pm
Sir (Chingford and Woodford
Green) (Con)
It is always a privilege to speak with you in the Chair, Mr
Henderson. I start by congratulating the right hon. Member for
Barking (Dame ) —my right hon. Friend, in
this particular case—on her powerful and important speech. Today
is about trying to recognise that there is a moment when attempts
to be reasonable and engage in a normal, diplomatic and
democratic way finally fail because the people we are trying to
deal with are themselves utterly opposed to all of that. Today's
debate should take into consideration all that has happened and
all that has gone before.
I want to make a point very quickly before I get into the issue
of the IRGC's work in the UK. As the right hon. Lady said
earlier, we must recognise Iran's appalling behaviour to its own
citizens in recent years, such as that towards campaigners
following the appalling murder that took place over the wearing
of a headscarf or hijab, which has literally been pushed on
people against their will. That has subsequently become a sort of
democracy campaign. As the right hon. Lady said, thousands have
been arrested and many have been tortured, and we know that a
significant number have been executed for that simple display—for
something that we, in a normal society, would consider to be the
expression of their human rights to change events. I reference
that as a backstop, because we are dealing with a regime that
brooks absolutely no dissent and no discussion with anybody in
Iran, except for with those who are part of its brutal
Administration. The sight of those people being arrested and
rounded up, never to be heard of again—this, by the way, under
the cover of all that is going on in Gaza at the moment—has
accelerated the internal process of repression, and of execution
and torture.
I return to the essence of the debate, which is looking at the
Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, and how they work and
proselytise here in the UK. That should be of considerable
concern to us and should result in a change of policy. Beyond
immediate threats to UK residents and their family members in
Iran, recent media reports show that Iran is using UK-based
institutions to spread propaganda and assert its influence. We
have already touched on that point, but it bears emphasising.
In November 2023, The Times reported:
“Supporters of the Iranian regime have attended pro-Palestine
marches in London, handing out leaflets citing the supreme
leader's calls”—
the calls of Ayatollah Khamenei—
“for the eradication of Israel.”
The regime has never been other than utterly clear that it sees
Israel, and Jews, as legitimate targets because it considers them
to be appalling and therefore it wants to rid the world of them.
He has been very clear about it and everybody else has been very
clear about it—and there is his support of Hezbollah and
Hamas.
Hezbollah's leader, in response to Iran, has also clarified the
chant, “From the river to the sea.” I have heard some people say,
“Well, that just means freeing oppressed peoples.” It is not
that; it means clearing Israel—the Jews—out of Palestine
completely. That message is, in those people's minds, absolute,
so when others chant it, they need to recognise that that is
essentially what they are saying. That is all to do with the
propaganda used by the IRGC here in the UK.
As was mentioned earlier, there are concerns over links between
the Islamic Centre of England in London, Manchester and Glasgow,
and Iran's IRGC and the office of the Supreme Leader. As the
right hon. Member for Barking pointed out, the head of the IRGC
is appointed by the Ayatollah Khamenei himself, and therefore it
is always going to be somebody who is completely on side with the
IRGC and the authorities in Iran.
All the other entities exist within the Islamic Centre's network,
reportedly including the Islamic Students Association of Britain,
based in Hammersmith, which is owned by Al-Tawheed Charitable
Trust. In August 2023, it was reported that the students
association held online meetings where IRGC commanders had
addressed students. We have seen videos, including some on the
BBC, where people have been clearly lecturing while using the
language that the right hon. Lady cited—about death to Jews and
the eradication of Israel—and whipping up meetings to become more
extreme than they might have been without such interventions.
That should be a matter of real concern to my colleagues in Her
Majesty's Government; they should be concerned that, at a time
when the whole political atmosphere with regards to the middle
east is so fraught, we see these people trying to pitch others in
a singular direction—a violent one, at that.
The BBC report in 2024 into the students association named former
IRGC commander, Ezzatollah Zarghami—who is sanctioned in the UK,
by the way—as having been advertised as speaking to the student
group. It was interesting that the BBC concluded that the
students association, along with the Kanoon Towhid centre, had
been used as platforms by IRGC agents in the UK to promote
extremist antisemitic propaganda and incite violence against
dissidents from the regime.
I want to come to the links with the City, which the right hon.
Lady touched on, but I first want to say something very
important. There is a distinct difference between sanctioning—the
Government always say they sanction individuals—and proscribing,
which means that if anybody here in the UK is involved in that
organisation, they will be committing a criminal offence.
Sanctioning is all well and good as far as it goes, but there are
many people who operate, never get spotted and do not get
sanctioned. The point of proscribing is to catch those who are
busy fomenting violence and antisemitic tropes.
Rather than taking forceful action against the Islamic Republic
and its associates, the UK Government seem content to allow those
responsible for providing financial support for the activities of
Iranian entities to operate freely in the UK. We have already
cracked down on a number of banks and individuals as a result of
the brutal Russian invasion of Ukraine—there is more to be done
there, by the way. We should have learnt a lesson by now. We were
far too open in that regard, and remain too open when it comes to
Iran.
We have long known that the Saderat and Melli banks—Iranian
commercial banks subject to US sanctions for supporting Iran's
IRGC and other military-related Iranian entities—have active
subsidiaries, as mentioned earlier, in London. In October 2023 it
was reported that both banks maintain links to Hamas and the
IRGC's Quds Force. They are operating here in London. I cannot
stress that enough. In plain view, in open sight, we have Iranian
banks providing money to those who wish nothing but harm to Jews
here in the UK, to any representative of Israel, to the UK state
itself and all those here in Parliament who believe in human
rights and the rule of law. That is what is getting financed.
The state-owned National Iranian Oil Company, which was
sanctioned in the US, is an affiliate of the IRGC and was in a
building opposite us here. The UK financial services sector has
also reported the failure to enforce UK financial sanctions on
Iran. According to a February 2024 report by the Financial Times,
Lloyds Bank and Santander UK participated in a sanctions evasion
scheme backed by Tehran's intelligence services. That is
absolutely astonishing. The banks are accused of providing
accounts to British front companies secretly owned by a
sanctioned Iranian petrochemical company based near Buckingham
Palace, which the US believes has raised hundreds of millions of
dollars for the IRGC Quds Force, working with Russian
intelligence agencies to raise money for Iranian proxy
militias.
The UK, together with its partners, must consider all forms of
pressure, including targeted financial sanctions, to challenge
Iran's hostile activities in the UK and abroad. If no such action
is taken, I am sorry to say that the UK Government risk not only
undermining the reputation of the City of London, but signalling
to Iranian communities worldwide that the Government prioritise
economic interests over safety and security. I do not believe
that that is a principle running through the Government, but when
it comes to Iran we have only to read what is happening to reach
that conclusion. I hope that the Minister will explain to us how
swiftly we are going to bring that to an end and change any sense
that the UK Government care more about money than about
lives.
Iran is a key ally of Putin and Russia. I have long believed—I
made a speech in Washington about this quite recently—that we are
watching a new axis of totalitarian states growing right in front
of us. China is at the heart of it along with North Korea and
Russia, and right in the middle of it is Iran. You can see the
co-ordinated activity. Iran, as I said earlier in an
intervention, is implicated in the co-ordinated attack by Hamas,
which engendered a response resulting in the US focus being on
that area, and not on Ukraine as it was before. That has led to a
cooling off that mean Russia was able to go on the offensive, and
it is looking very difficult for Ukraine. We can see that all of
that has helped the axis. Right now we are watching Iran do all
of that and still carry on here in the UK without hindrance.
Economically, Iran has the most robust sanctions evasion network,
constantly cultivated over decades. What is of particular
interest is Iran's ability to export petrochemicals through its
dark tanker fleet and various shell organisations. Of course,
that is hugely helpful to Russia, providing it with the
wherewithal to buy many of the weapons that it needs.
Staggeringly, the total value of trade between Russia and Iran
increased from $1.4 billion in 2020 to more than $3 billion in
2021. Over the summer of 2022, Tehran and Moscow held talks about
using Iran as a backdoor for Russian oil. A 2022 cache of
transaction data between Iranian clearing houses and
foreign-registered front companies controlled by the regime,
reviewed by Politico, suggests quite clearly that the volume of
sanctions-evading transactions handled by the network is at least
in the tens of billions of dollars annually—tens of billions of
dollars! That money is going to support the whole concept of war
in Ukraine, to the fomenting of appalling terrorist groups in the
middle east, and to the long reach of Iran through countries such
as Syria and beyond.
Militarily, Iran also provides the key support for Russia. We
know that—Iran's diverse drone and loitering munitions fleet has
become integral to Russian strategy. Russia uses Iranian
loitering munitions to bombard Ukrainian infrastructure and
civilians. Iran has also sent technical advisers, who again are
likely to come from the IRGC force, to train Russian operatives
in Crimea. In addition, Iran provided Russia with 300,000
artillery shells and 1 million ammunition rounds between November
2022 and July 2023.
We can draw breath for a second, because it isn't over. The
reality is that that is the scale of it so far, and it just gets
a lot worse. We now know that Iran will expand its support for
Russia's war in Ukraine to an even greater extent. Having already
transferred drones to Russia, Iran is likely soon to begin
transfers to the Kremlin of advanced ballistic missiles. In
October 2023, under the joint comprehensive plan of action, or
JCPOA, sanctions on Iran's ballistic missile exports will lapse,
making such transfers legal under international law. Again, I ask
my hon. Friend the Minister to deal with that issue when she
responds to the debate.
Iran's nuclear advancement and its military assistance to Russia
increase the odds that President Putin, with the right
incentives, will seek advantage in assisting Iran with nuclear
breakout, transferring advanced military technology and
supporting Iranian intelligence activity in Europe and the UK. We
know what Iran is planning to do. We know that it is planning to
have nuclear weapons; it is only a matter of when. It links with
Russia will provide it with much of the technology that it needs,
such as miniaturisation to allow nuclear weapons to be put on
missiles. Such technologies are more often held in the developed
nations that have nuclear weapons themselves, but these sorts of
things are more open to Iran now. They can use them and we
believe that that is very much the case.
I have talked about the new axis. As a long-standing ally of
China, Iranian-Chinese trade has skyrocketed since the start of
the Ukrainian war, as China takes advantage of illicit Iranian
and trans-shipped Russian oil. Rebadged, that oil is going to
China; they cannot buy enough of it. China has also expanded its
economic footprint in Iran and its strategic footprint in east
Africa. Interestingly, China imported 89% of Iranian oil in
February 2024. Iran ships oil to China using dark-fleet tankers
and receives payments through small Chinese banks. The dark-fleet
tankers operate without transponders to avoid detection. Once oil
shipments reach China, they are rebranded as Malaysian or middle
eastern oil, and bought by small, independent refineries in
China.
(Strangford) (DUP)
Just this week in the press, I noticed a story that suggested
that some of the dark oil that the right hon. Gentleman referred
to is being shipped in unsafe boats and ships; they leak, they
have engine problems and so on. That particular type of movement
of oil is dangerous not only because of the finance it generates
but because it is environmentally dangerous for the rest of the
world.
Sir
I agree with the hon. Gentleman about that, but I have to tell
him that this is going on all the time. All the points he made
are correct, but the reality is that the oil is still going
there, and I do not see any action at all being taken by the
western powers to stop it. Perhaps they are fearful of upsetting
China, but that is another issue altogether, by which I will not
be sidetracked; this debate is not about that, but it is
certainly a key element in why we seem not to do a huge amount to
stop these things.
It is also worth pointing out that, in 2022, Iran bought $2.12
billion-worth of machinery from China, as well as $1.43
billion-worth of electronics. That tight exchange between these
totalitarian states is being cemented and expanded as we speak.
We also know that China's involvement in many countries across
the middle east, many of which are totalitarian, is growing,
along with its influence throughout the region. That is very much
the case.
I will conclude with recommendations, which I offer to the
Government in their interest as much as in mine and in everybody
else's. The right hon. Member for Barking said this earlier on. I
want to repeat it, and I make no apology for repeating many of
these things because we are in agreement on this matter.
My first recommendation is to proscribe the IRGC as a terrorist
organisation, which would make it a criminal offence for any UK
citizen to deal with it. During the Prime Minister's campaign to
be leader, he stated back in August '22 that the IRGC
proscription
“must now be on the table”,
and in December 2022, he vowed unequivocally that he and the Home
Secretary would utilise
“the full range of tools at our disposal to protect UK citizens
from the threat of the IRGC”.
Hear, hear. He referenced the important actions of his
predecessors, who proscribed Hamas and Hezbollah, and he
indicated that IRGC proscription would be the very next step.
Well, if it is to be the next step, we have been hovering on one
leg for some considerable time. It is not a great place to be, it
is physically difficult and it is also looks rather
ridiculous.
My second recommendation to my hon. Friend the Minister is to use
the breadth of the sanctions regimes to target the wide range of
actors involved in human rights violations and other hostile
activities committed by the Iranian regime, the Islamic
Revolutionary Guard Corps and their agents in the UK and
internationally. As I said earlier, proscribing is different from
sanctioning. It affects the whole organisation; any activity
associated with it becomes a criminal offence in the UK. That is
why it has to be done, because to mop up these smaller actors
that are running around the place proselytising this foul idea
and ideology is important, and we need to put them beyond any
further involvement with the UK.
My third recommendation is to encourage the prompt and effective
investigation of any individuals or entities involved in human
rights violations where there is a link in the UK, and highlight
the legal pathways available to target those persons and
confiscate any assets illegally obtained. My final recommendation
is to increase resources for the UK's enforcement agencies to
allow them to build capacity for investigating and prosecuting
entities involved in the commission of international human rights
violations, as well as violations of UK sanctions against Iran
and the link between the two.
When my hon. Friend the Minister responds to the debate, I do
hope she is not going to say a few things that I have heard from
various Foreign Office officials and the occasional Minister,
including, first: “The reason why we won't proscribe them is that
it is important for us to be able to pick up the telephone and
speak to the Foreign Minister in Iran”. I agree that it is
important for dialogue, but dialogue with the deaf changes
nothing, so that is not dialogue.
The second thing I often hear is this: “The United States needs a
backchannel to get to Iran. We offer a backchannel.” Honestly, if
America really wants to get in touch with Iran and needs the UK
to be a backchannel, something has gone fundamentally wrong with
America. We need to deal with policy that affects us and act for
our citizens, rather than worrying about the Americans wanting to
have a backchannel. Please, let us not hear any more about
backchannels.
I have a huge amount of respect for my hon. Friend the Member for
Wealden, and she knows that. She is a sanctionee of China, along
with me and others, so I simply say that it is genuinely time for
the UK to give a lead on this because many other countries in
Europe would follow us. I have been in contact with many of them,
as she knows, and many said, “Our Governments will move the
moment the UK moves.” Some countries have already proscribed. I
am convinced that the big countries like the UK that have
capacity for this will move with us. That will have a huge effect
on Iran and shockwaves would run right back to China as well.
It is long overdue that we call time on the proxy actor that sits
in the middle east with the support of other totalitarian regimes
such as Russia and China—on its behaviour, activities and foul
funding of the most awful terrorist organisations we have ever
seen, which absolutely devastate their own economies. Imagine how
much the money that has been given to Hamas by various entities,
including Iran, could have benefited the people in Gaza needing
hospital treatment, roads and proper sewerage by now had it not
been used for weapons, tunnel building and attacks on others.
That is what we need to stop, and proscription is exactly how we
have to do it.
3.05pm
Mrs (Washington and Sunderland
West) (Lab)
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship today, Mr
Henderson. I will start by congratulating my right hon. Friend
the Member for Barking (Dame ) and the right hon. Member
for Chingford and Woodford Green (Sir ) on securing this
important debate. They both gave very powerful opening
speeches.
Very often, when the case is made for why the IRGC must be
proscribed, we focus on the havoc it has wreaked across the
middle east in Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria and elsewhere. That is
particularly understandable in light of the events of the last
few months, as Gaza, Israel and southern Lebanon have become the
scene of death and destruction, in large part due to Iran and its
proxies. The case for proscribing the IRGC as a terror group is
made plain by its support for terror groups across the middle
east. However, it also poses a growing threat to us here in the
UK, as we heard in the opening speeches—a threat that transforms
proscription into an urgent policy need to undermine terrorist
and extremist activity in our own country.
In recent years, the Iranian regime has increasingly exploited
the free and open society we all seek to defend here in the UK in
order to pursue its own ends. Matt Jukes, the head of
counter-terror policing, has made it clear that no fewer than 15
Iranian plots to kill or kidnap people on British soil have been
uncovered in just the past two years. Meanwhile, MI5 has reported
that Iran's “aggressive intelligence services”, including the
IRGC, have
“ambitions to kidnap or even kill British or UK-based individuals
perceived as enemies of the regime.”
Again and again, the Foreign Secretary and his predecessors have
made formal representations to the Iranian regime that that
behaviour is unacceptable, but again and again, that has not
worked, and the IRGC continues to operate in our country.
Last February, the opposition news network, Iran International,
was temporarily forced to relocate its headquarters from London
to Washington—that is not Washington in my constituency, just for
clarity—in response to threats from the Iranian Government
against journalists based in our country. Scotland Yard was
shamefully forced to warn staff that it could not safeguard them
from Tehran-backed assassins or kidnappers on UK soil. As
recently as March this year, the Iranian journalist Pouria
Zeraati, who works for Iran International, was stabbed by three
men on a residential street in Wimbledon.
Equally troubling is the fact that the IRGC and other Iranian
agents are known to exercise soft power on behalf of the Iranian
regime. As my right hon. Friend the Member for Barking mentioned,
the Charity Commission has in recent years investigated the
Islamic Centre of England in Maida Vale, giving it an official
warning in 2022. That followed two events held at the charity's
premises in 2020 that eulogised Major General Qasem Soleimani,
who was subject to UK sanctions, and that may have placed
individuals present in breach of the Terrorism Act. We have also
seen reports of IRGC commanders speaking to British students to
encourage and incite antisemitic attacks. At least eight IRGC
leaders have addressed British student audiences since early
2020. One commander who spoke said the holocaust was “fake”,
boasted of training al-Qaeda terrorists and urged his audience to
join
“the beautiful list of soldiers”
who would fight and kill Jews in the incoming apocalyptic war.
Another IRGC commander invited to speak by the Islamic Students
Association of Britain claimed Jews “created homosexuality” and
that students should see themselves as “holy warriors”, promising
that the “era of the Jews” would soon be at an end.
Just this year, a BBC report on the same organisation found that
a former IRGC commander, Ezzatollah Zarghami, had spoken to
students. He is reported to have previously
“boasted of training Hamas in Gaza prior to the 7 October
attacks”,
and in an interview on Iranian state TV, he described how
“he had provided Hamas with missiles.”
Evidence of the IRGC's support for terrorism across the middle
east is abundant and undisputed. Indeed, it has been painfully
clear since 7 October. Now we have growing evidence of the IRGC
operating in our own country, under the Government's nose and
seemingly at will. Today, the IRGC is a source, supporter and
funder of terrorism, not just in Gaza and Beirut but increasingly
in our very own Wimbledon and Maida Vale. If the Government have
a strategy intended to deter that activity, it is just not
working. We have had years of the Government refusing to
proscribe the IRGC for one reason or another. However, it is
increasingly clear to everyone else what needs to happen.
If it looks like a terrorist organisation, acts like a terrorist
organisation and operates like a terrorist organisation, it is
hard to understand why the Government, in the words of the
current Minister for Security, the right hon. Member for
Tonbridge and Malling (), on 23 March 2024—indeed, I think all Ministers
use the same quote—
“do not routinely comment on whether an organisation is or is not
being considered for proscription.”
Thankfully, we in the Labour party—I hope I hear this from my
hon. Friend the Member for Caerphilly () on the Front Bench—are a
Government in waiting and we stand ready to do what this
Government seemingly will not do, which is to finally proscribe
the IRGC.
3.12pm
(Strangford) (DUP)
What a pleasure it is to serve under your chairship, Mr
Henderson. I thank the right hon. Member for Barking (Dame ) for her passion, which she
quite clearly shows in the Chamber and today in Westminster Hall,
for what is right in holding Government to account for the steps
taken to secure this nation. Indeed, not just to secure this
nation but to speak up for those in other countries, such as
Iran, where people do not have the freedom that we have here. The
right hon. Lady has done that exceptionally, and the right hon.
Member for Chingford and Woodford Green (Sir ) has done similarly.
Further, the hon. Member for Washington and Sunderland West (Mrs
Hodgson)—the other Washington, that is—clearly illustrated her
point.
I look forward to the contributions from the shadow Ministers,
the hon. Members for Caerphilly () and for Dundee West (), as well as that of the
Minister. If she had the authority, I would love for her to
proscribe the IRGC today. That is the ultimate demand that we all
seek. The IRGC is an evil and wicked organisation, truly focused
on one thing, which is to bring havoc, murder and mayhem across
the world. It is instrumental for many terrorist organisations
across the world, as mentioned by the right hon. Member for
Chingford and Woodford Green, so that has to be done.
On 13 April 2024, Iran launched some 330 drones and missiles
against Israel in a retaliation for an attack on what it said was
a consulate. I was in Israel the week after Easter and had some
talks with the Israel Defence Forces. That building in Syria was
not a consulate; it was a terrorist organisation base where
attacks across the whole of the Middle East were planned. What
Israel did was destroy a terrorist building and those in it, and
they were right to do so. By taking out terrorist organisations,
such as the IRGC, it ultimately stops attacks on innocent
people.
The Israeli Defence Forces say that 99% of drones were
intercepted and that minimal damage was inflicted. One Israeli
civilian was severely injured by falling debris. Let us not allow
the fact that the Iron Dome and Israeli defences were successful
in preventing greater loss of life distract from the fact that
the message from Iran is clear: its evil intention is to destroy,
maim and kill. It is not simply backing terrorist Hamas; it is
involved, and as such our response must be clear.
I put on the record my thanks to our world-class Royal Air Force
and armed forces for their reaction to the attack, but that, in
tandem with a strongly worded UN memo, cannot and must not be the
extent of the actions taken by the Government to address that
unacceptable act—one among many—by Iran. Fortunately, the NATO
forces, the United States of America and the Israeli Iron Dome
protection scheme seemed to take out most of the drone and
missile attacks.
I read with great interest an article by the right hon. Member
for Barking about the banking institutions. The right hon. Lady
set out that scene so well today, and others have and will refer
to it. There are banking regimes that seem to be above the law,
and working outside of the law quite blatantly, and the right
hon. Lady was right to set that scene. We have failed to do all
we can to sanction Iran for its continued and blatant disregard
for its international obligations. This is a country that does
not care about anything: it does not care how many people it
kills or what mayhem it causes. I believe the day is coming when
the international community in the west will have to consider
Iran's position.
Melli Bank has been cited in American sanctions for allegedly
supporting the activities of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard
Corps, while Bank Saderat Iran has been targeted by Washington
over claims that it has provided financial services for Iran's
nuclear and ballistic missile programmes. Both banks were also
found liable by the US federal court in 2021 for a Hamas
terrorist attack in Israel in 2015 that left two people dead.
These are not just banks but centres of terrorism operated by
Hamas, Iran and others whose intentions are pure evil.
A judge ruled that the finance houses had been used by the Quds
Force, an offshoot of the IRGC created to liaise with and fund
Tehran's proxy militias and to pass funds to terror groups—they
can move money around the world to where it needs to be—yet those
banks continue to trade unopposed within the borders of this
country. It absolutely astounds me that two banks with clear
links to the Tehran military are operating in London at this
time. It is clear that this is only one of the multiple ways in
which we have not exercised our obligation to ensure that those
who make money and profit in the UK have cognisance of their
international obligations. There are rules and regulations that
cannot be ignored, and our Government need to enforce them, as
the right hon. Members for Barking and for Chingford and Woodford
Green asked.
The report by the all-party parliamentary group on
anti-corruption and responsible tax, which was released just last
month, clearly warned MPs and, by extension, the Government, that
Iran was using financial assets abroad to advance its interests.
I am minded of how the police eventually got Al Capone. They did
not get him because of all the murders he committed; they got him
on tax evasion. Iran needs to be brought to task for how it is
able to move money around the world. We may not get Iran for all
the other things it has done, but if we do that we can stop it
operating. It is important that action is taken.
We call for stronger enforcement of existing sanctions to deter
rogue regimes. I add my voice to those calls, and not simply in
respect of the two banks that are in clear view and getting away
with it. Something needs to be done. I look to the Minister and
ask her to take on board what the APPG has highlighted and called
for: not words but actions. We need to see actions so that Iran
understands that it is not above international law, so that Hamas
are not emboldened to continue their evil acts of terrorism, and
so that the world understands that the UN and NATO are not simply
note-takers but action-takers.
I make this point as chair of the APPG for international freedom
of religion or belief: Iran suppresses human rights and religious
freedom to such an extent in that country. I speak up for those
with Christian faith, those with other faith and those with no
faith. There are some 1.2 million Christians in Iran, and their
human rights are suppressed, as is their religious worship. There
are restrictions with threats of arrests, beatings and murder,
and mass arrests are probably taking place even as we sit here
discussing this matter. Overall, the situation is risky. I am a
Christian. I believe in a great God and a good God who is over
all and who continues to grow his Church. We in this world also
have a physical role to do, so I call on the Minister and the
Government to take this matter on board and ensure that human
rights and religious freedom are protected and spoken up for. I
know the Minister will do that, as she always does, and we will
not be found wanting.
I often speak for the Baha'is, because they are the most gentle
people I have met in all my life, and I am greatly encouraged
whenever I speak to them because they are just the most lovely
people. They are intentionally and severely deprived of their
fundamental rights. The IRGC and authorities have deliberately
arrested, prosecuted and persecuted Baha'i members by preventing
education, health opportunities, employment opportunities, the
ownership of property and dignified burials. They even destroy
the very graveyards belonging to the Baha'is—it is beyond all
belief. Some 200 Baha'is have been murdered in the last few years
and thousands more have been imprisoned and tortured. The hon.
Member for Dundee West, who speaks for the SNP, and I are on the
same page and, without reading his script, I know he will speak
about that.
Women and girls have had their very right to exist taken from
them. They have been denied education and employment, and there
have been physical attacks and acid attacks on women just because
they are not wearing the clothes that the IRGC wants them to, and
just because they want equal opportunities. Come on guys: this is
a country that suppresses their very right to live. I find that
incredible. They have been beaten and sexually abused, and Iran
should not be allowed away with it. The IRGC needs to be
proscribed and it needs to be removed.
Iran supports world terrorism. Although others have referred to
it, it is important that I say this for the record: Iran is the
country that supports the Houthis in Yemen, Hezbollah in Lebanon
and Hamas in Gaza. It has given Russia drones by the thousand to
use in its battles against Ukraine. All those things indicate
that Iran is the centre of the evil axis that also involves
China, Russia and North Korea. It is the engine room of
international terrorism and therefore must be sorted out.
I will conclude as I am conscious of the time. We need action to
remind Israel that it is not to be left alone as it was in the
six-day war, or at other times in the past when surrounding
nations have attempted to wipe it from the face of the earth. We
need action simply to do the right thing—that is what is required
and what we ask for today. I ask for all those things. I commend
the right hon. Member for Barking and look forward to the other
contributions, especially the Minister's response.
(in the Chair)
Before I call the SNP spokesperson, I should point out that there
are likely to be votes soon. I will have to suspend the sitting
then, but will ensure that Members get their full time.
3.24pm
(Dundee West) (SNP)
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Henderson.
I thank the right hon. Members for Barking (Dame ) and for Chingford and
Woodford Green (Sir ) for what has been a
really important, detailed and excellent debate so far. May I
say, before I begin, that it looks like we are all going to break
out in a cross-party consensus here? I am looking forward to the
cross-party response that we are all hoping to hear.
Since the revolution in 1979, the Islamic Republic of Iran has
repressed the human rights of its own people, often in the most
brutal and barbaric ways possible. The regime has continuously
sought to destabilise its immediate neighbours and those in the
surrounding region through both direct military action and its
well-funded and well-armed proxy militias. It has exported
terrorism throughout the world and repeatedly shown a blatant
disregard for international law. Those are things we have heard
from every single speaker so far.
Iranians Governments over the past 45 years have made no secret
of their desire to spread the revolution and of their hostility
to states that they perceive as their enemies, with the USA and
Israel singled out in particular and referred to as the great
Satan and the little Satan by the revolution's leader Ayatollah
Khomeini. At this critical point in history, with enhanced
regional and global instability, it is therefore no surprise to
see Iran become increasingly involved through its proxies and its
own forces.
In countering Iran's hostilities, the UK has two essential
responsibilities. First, it must ensure that the escalating
situation in the middle east is brought to an end. Secondly, it
must ensure that Iran does not have the capability to fund, train
and equip those who pose a threat to the rules-based order and
global security.
(in the Chair)
Order. Sorry to interrupt, but the sitting is suspended for 15
minutes for a Division in the House. I will allow 10 minutes for
each subsequent Division.
3.26pm
Sitting suspended for Divisions in the House.
3.49pm
On resuming—
Thank you for giving us time so that we could all vote, Mr
Henderson.
As we are discussing Iran, I will turn to regional escalation. I
last spoke about Iran in June last year, and it cannot be denied
that events in the middle east since October have changed the
context completely; they simply cannot be ignored or discounted.
Since November, Iran-aligned Houthis have launched repeated drone
and missile attacks on ships in the crucial shipping channels of
the Red sea, the Bab al-Mandab strait and the gulf of Aden in
what they say is a campaign of solidarity with Palestinians
against Israel's assault on Gaza. This has forced shipping firms
to reroute cargo on longer, more expensive journeys around
southern Africa, and has stoked fears that the Israeli war in
Gaza could spread and destabilise the region. This week, the
Houthis in Yemen confirmed that they will continue to target
ships heading to Israeli ports anywhere within their range, and
cited the looming “aggressive military operation” in the southern
Gaza city of Rafah, where more than 1.5 million Palestinians are
now sheltering, as a reason behind the group's decision.
Significantly, last month, Iran launched hundreds of drones and
missiles at Israel in retaliation for a deadly Israeli strike on
the Iranian consulate in Damascus, Syria. The Iranian Government
said they considered the issue “concluded”, but warned that their
next action will be “much stronger” if Israel retaliates.
The Iranian regime is looking to exploit the suffering of the
Palestinian people. It has no interest in helping them. The
cynical agenda in Tehran is to bring about as much instability in
the middle east as possible. Our response, and our collective
resolve, must ensure that that does not happen. Let us be clear:
there will not be a military solution to the conflict in the
middle east; there will be only a political and diplomatic
solution. What is required now is the same thing that has been
required since October: a regional de-escalation of tensions and
conflict, and a sustained effort by the international community
to bring some stability across the entire middle east.
No one wins from an endless cycle of violence or finger pointing
over who started what. We simply cannot pick and choose our
collective condemnation for those responsible for the regional
escalation of this conflict, be that the bombing of Gaza, missile
attacks on Israel, or the targeted killing of diplomats. All
parties now need to prioritise de-escalation, to abide by UN
Security Council resolutions, and to implement an immediate
ceasefire. We in the SNP condemn all acts of violence and
breaches of international law, and are steadfast in the opinion
that there cannot be a military solution to the continuing and
generations-deep—
(in the Chair)
Order. I am sorry to stop the hon. Gentleman in full flow, but we
are supposed to be talking about Iran, not the conflict in
Gaza.
The point I am trying to make is that Iran is directly connected
by its support of Hamas.
(in the Chair)
I think not.
Okay. As mentioned, one of the most important elements of Iran's
regional and international power projection is its deployment of
militias in the region. Over decades, and with only limited
effective pushback from regional states or the international
community, Tehran has assembled an adaptive, layered network of
regional militias with discrete organisational structures and
leadership and overlapping interests and ties to Iran's security
and religious establishments.
Furthermore, Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is
responsible for funding and developing terror cells, as well as
plotting and participating in terrorist attacks in the near east,
Asia, Africa, Europe and South America. It has been responsible
for sea piracy, hostage taking, assassinations, kidnapping, the
downing of a civilian airliner in 2020 in which its own citizens,
as well as Canadian, Ukrainian, Swedish, Afghan and British
citizens, were killed, as well as gross violations of human
rights and acts that may be regarded as crimes against
humanity.
As all Members present have said, the UK Government must take
tangible action and proscribe the IRGC as a first step in
countering its ability to support hostile actors in the region,
and Iran's ability to act in a hostile manner in the region.
Proscription would be a tangible step by the UK Government to
stand up for the values of freedom and democracy. The UK
Government have stated that Iran was involved in plans to kill
journalists on British soil, with the Foreign Secretary recently
stating that,
“The Iranian regime and the criminal gangs who operate on its
behalf pose an unacceptable threat to the UK's security.”
In January 2023, a Foreign Office Minister said that Britain was
actively considering proscribing the IRGC as a terrorist
organisation, but had not reached a final decision. Here we are,
nearly a year and a half on, and no further action has been
taken. Will the Minister update us today on the decision-making
process on the proscription of the IRGC as a terrorist
organisation?
With proscription, section 3 of the Terrorism Act 2000, which
criminalises terrorist financing and makes it an offence to raise
funds for the purpose of terrorism, would see any individual in
the UK who is accused of fundraising for the IRGC dealt with
using the full power of the law. The UK Government need to commit
to that, and to the continuation of sanctions against Iran.
Since May 2019, Iran has continued to violate the terms of the
joint comprehensive plan of action agreement, following President
Trump withdrawing the US from the agreement in 2018. In
retaliation for that, and for deadly attacks on prominent
Iranians in 2020, including one by the US, Iran resumed its
nuclear activities. Iran has lifted the cap on its stockpile of
uranium, which is now 18 times the permitted level. The
International Atomic Energy Agency has been prevented from
satisfactorily monitoring Iran's nuclear activities since
February 2021, and UN inspectors reported in early 2023 that Iran
had enriched trace amounts of uranium to nearly weapons-grade
levels, sparking international alarm, as we have heard this
afternoon.
President Biden has said that the United States would return to
the JCPOA if Iran came back to compliance, but after more than
two years of stop-and-go talks, the countries are nowhere near a
compromise, and as of late 2023, provisions of the agreement have
started to expire. Transition day—a day to mark the eighth
anniversary of the JCPOA's adoption and the date on which the
sanctions were due to expire—was 18 October last year, but the
UK, France and Germany have said that Iran's
“consistent and severe non-compliance with its JCPoA
commitments”
warranted the retention of sanctions.
The SNP is committed to the continuation of the sanctions, and
urges the UK Government to be proactive in a concerted effort to
tighten sanctions on companies to stop the export from the UK to
Iran of dual-use materials that could be made into weapons.
In addition, we have all seen the devastating use of Iran's
weaponry on European soil by Russia in Ukraine. The lifting of
restrictions related to Iran's ballistic missile programme could
allow Iran to “legally” increase its support for Russia in
Ukraine, including the provision of Iranian short-range ballistic
missiles. The UK Government should continue to urge Iran not to
sell weapons to Russia to be used in the war in Ukraine, but that
must be accompanied by a serious reconsideration of their own
arms sales to Israel, which are also being used against innocent
civilians in Gaza—a fundamental breach of international
humanitarian law.
Finally, we should not forget the ordinary people of Iran, who
suffer daily at the hands of the Iranian regime. We all condemn
the ongoing flagrant violations of human rights in Iran,
including the use of arbitrary detention and the death penalty,
the suppression of the rights of women and girls, and
restrictions of freedom of religion or belief. The international
community must take every opportunity to bolster access to civil
and political rights for all Iranians, including through access
to international legal mechanisms and monitoring bodies, to
ensure that perpetrators of crimes are held accountable and not
granted impunity. We must not turn a blind eye to the systematic
violations of international law and the denial of universal human
liberties in Iran and throughout the world.
3.57pm
(Caerphilly) (Lab)
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairpersonship, Mr
Henderson.
I congratulate my right hon. Friend the Member for Barking (Dame
) on securing the debate,
which she introduced in a customarily eloquent and forceful
manner. I also thank the other hon. Members who have contributed:
the right hon. Member for Chingford and Woodford Green (Sir
), my hon. Friend the
Member for Washington and Sunderland West (Mrs Hodgson), the hon.
Member for Strangford (), and the hon. Member for Dundee West (), the SNP spokesperson, who
talked about the danger of consensus breaking out. I think that
there is a consensus breaking out, and that is very positive. The
starting point for us all is surely the realisation that the
Iranian regime is a brutal and repressive one.
I am sure that we all remember the death of 22-year-old Mahsa
Amini in September 2022. She died in police custody after being
arrested for not complying with a strict Islamic dress code.
Following her death, there were widespread protests across Iran
for a number of months. They were cruelly repressed by the
regime, but it is important that we remember those protests and
pay tribute to the many thousands of women and girls who were
brave enough to take part.
The protesters were subjected to appalling brutality. It has been
estimated that at least 20,000 people, including many children,
were detained by the authorities, more than 500 people were
killed and many more were seriously injured. The repression did
not come to an end with the end of the protests, and a large
number of people have been arrested and detained for supporting
the protests. We heard only last month that, appallingly, an
Iranian rapper, Toomaj Salehi, has been sentenced to death
following his first arrest in October 2022. According to Amnesty
International, 853 people in Iran were executed in 2023 alone—an
increase of 48% compared with 2022.
The hon. Member for Strangford accurately pointed out that the
repression extends deep into society and that the lack of any
kind of real religious freedom is a cause for concern. Christians
and Baha'is are subject to persecution, as are those of other
faiths.
As we have heard, if the Iranian regime is repressive at home in
Iran, it is guilty of aggression abroad. In fact, Iran is among
the world's foremost state sponsors of terrorism. Iran, through
its so-called proxies, is guilty of helping to initiate violence
across much of the middle east. Iran has supplied huge support to
Hamas in Gaza. It has supplied and supported Hezbollah in
Lebanon, and it still does. In Iraq, including in Kurdistan, and
in Syria, Iran-sponsored militants have attacked US bases.
Last month, of course, Iran launched an attack on Israel.
According to the BBC, the attack included 170 drones, 30 cruise
missiles and at least 110 ballistic missiles. Thankfully, we are
told that 99% of the incoming barrage was intercepted either
outside Israeli airspace or over the country itself. There was
successful co-operation between a number of states, and I am
pleased that British armed forces were able to play their part in
reducing the risk to life. The threat continues, however, and
there is a need for a more detailed strategy from the United
Kingdom and her allies to deal with Iran, especially as Iran is
very close to developing nuclear weapons.
As we all know, the Houthis, who, again, are closely linked to
the Iranian regime, have conducted missile and drone attacks on
international shipping in the Red sea. Further afield, the
Iranian regime has developed close links with Russia and has
supplied a large number of drones that are being used in Ukraine.
Co-operation is developing apace, as the right hon. Member for
Chingford and Woodford Green pointed out. There is absolutely no
doubt about the Iranian regime's malign influence across the
middle east and, indeed, across the world.
We are also aware that Iranian activity in this country is
increasing and is a cause of great concern. My right hon. Friend
the Member for Barking pointed out that the head of MI5 referred
to potential threats by Iran in relation to the kidnapping or
death of British or UK-based people. In 2015, police discovered
an Iranian-linked bomb factory in London. Since the beginning of
2022, Iranians have been responsible for at least 15 potential
threats to British or UK-based individuals. Again, the right hon.
Member for Chingford and Woodford Green gave a number of examples
of how there is malign and malicious Iranian activity targeting
British citizens in this country, especially in our capital
city.
A couple of weeks ago, the British group of the
Inter-Parliamentary Union organised an important event, chaired
by the BBC security correspondent, Frank Gardner. A number of
contributors highlighted how the Iranian authorities have been
systematically targeting BBC News Persian staff and their
families in Iran. BBC News Persia operates only from outside of
Iran and the harassment is all too evident, sadly, on the streets
of London. Only the other day we heard about the stabbing of a
journalist, which was probably linked to the IRGC.
There are plenty of examples of the IRGC being active in a
malicious way throughout the country. As my right hon. Friend the
Member for Barking and a number of Members stated, it is
important that we are aware of that. In particular, my right hon.
Friend should be praised for highlighting the influence of the
IRGC and other Iranian forces generally, as well as the Iranian
influence in the City of London.
Many Members might find it very surprising that Britain, one of
the financial centres of the world, actually allows that kind of
activity to take place. Two banks have been cited in particular.
I would very much like to hear the Government's response because
I believe that they should set out a clear plan of action as far
as this issue is concerned. Also, the Financial Conduct Authority
should be encouraged to fulfil what I consider to be its duty to
ensure that the activities of those banks, with regard to their
influence and involvement with Iran, are scrutinised and then
curtailed. However, as important as that issue is regarding
institutions, we also need to take further action against a
number of well-known individuals.
Moreover, the question is: what do we do about the IRGC? I am of
the view that legislation should be introduced so that the IRGC
is proscribed. The legislation that we have was drawn up some 20
years ago to address terrorist threats, such as al-Qaeda, and if
we are serious about addressing the problem of the IRGC, that
legislation needs to be revised. The IRGC is a state-sponsored
organisation and a new legislative base is required if we are to
take action. Our bottom line must be about keeping this country
safe, which is why the Opposition have proposed new security
legislation to deal effectively with the operations of
organisations and bring about the proscription of the IRGC. I am
sorry to say that the Government have resisted our
representations. That is unfortunate, because I believe, as this
debate has shown, that there is a high degree of consensus in the
House about the kind of action that is required.
I will be honest: at one time, I was sympathetic to the arguments
being put forward by the Foreign Office. There was indeed a
strong argument in favour of ensuring that channels of dialogue
were kept open—at one time, that was certainly the Americans'
point of view—but things have changed and we have to respond to
the situation as we see it here and now. That is why it is very
important that the Government respond positively to our
overtures. We are more than happy to work together to ensure that
we come forward with something that commands the consensus of the
House. I believe that the starting point has to be that we
proscribe the IRGC, and we need to work together to ensure that
we find the best way to do that.
4.08pm
The Minister of State, Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (Ms )
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Henderson.
I am grateful to the right hon. Member for Barking (Dame ) for securing this important
debate and to the debate's co-sponsor, my right hon. Friend the
Member for Chingford and Woodford Green (Sir ). They both know that I
respect them hugely, and as has been mentioned by other Members
today, there is very little on which we disagree.
I am grateful to the hon. Members for Washington and Sunderland
West (Mrs Hodgson), for Dundee West () and for Strangford () for their very thoughtful and accurate descriptions
of Iran's regime, including its violence at home and its malign
influence overseas. I will respond as best I can, but obviously,
if I miss any points, I will respond in writing. I want to show
how we are working to deter and respond to the threats alongside
our international partners, and, of course, we will never be
complacent.
As the right hon. Member for Barking mentioned, Iran's attack on
Israel on 13 April was just outrageous. It was dangerous,
unacceptable and the latest example of Iran's destabilising
activity in the region. Almost all the missiles were intercepted,
saving lives in Israel and the region, thanks to a co-ordinated
international effort that included the UK. Yet we should be
clear: this was a reckless escalation by Iran, and had this
attack been successful, it is hard to overstate just how serious
the fallout for regional stability might have been.
The Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary both condemned the
attack in the strongest terms. The Foreign Secretary also
communicated directly to his Iranian counterpart that the
destabilising activity must stop. In the aftermath of the attack,
we imposed sanctions targeting key parts of Iran's military, as
well as individuals and companies in Iran's drone and missile
industries. We have also announced plans to introduce further
bans on the export to Iran of components that could be used in
drone and missile production.
Many contributions talked about the regional instability fuelled
by Iran. Iran has been fuelling regional escalation through its
military, financial and political support to its proxies and
partners, including Hamas, Hezbollah and militia groups in Iraq
and Syria. We are clear that Iran must cease that support and use
its influence to prevent further attacks. That includes in the
Red sea, where Iran has provided intelligence and weapons that
have enabled the Houthis to target vessels. The UK is committed
to working with the international community to support regional
security, addressing weapons proliferation to non-state actors,
safeguarding maritime security and maintaining a permanent
defence presence in the region.
Many contributions referred to the link between Iran, Russia and
China, which were all reflected on in the integrated review. We
know that Iran's hostile activities stretch far beyond the middle
east, and as the Minister responsible for Europe, a lot of my
time is spent working on Russia and, of course, defending
Ukraine. Iran is now one of Russia's top military backers and
this has prolonged armed conflict in Ukraine, adding to the
suffering of the Ukrainian people. In response, we have made 24
sanctions designations in respect of Iran's drone supply to
Russia. That is in addition to our wider efforts on the Iranian
missile and drone programme. At the UN Security Council, we have
held both sides to account for their unacceptable collaboration,
including sharing evidence with other members.
On the question of ballistic missile transfers, which my right
hon. Friend the Member for Chingford and Woodford Green raised,
let me be clear that this would be a significant escalation and a
turning point in Iran's relations with Europe. That is something
we have told Iran directly. Should Iran proceed with providing
ballistic missiles or related technology, the UK is prepared to
respond swiftly and in co-ordination with G7 allies.
There has been discussion around Iran's nuclear capability.
Iran's continued escalation of its nuclear activities is
threatening international security—that was highlighted perfectly
earlier—and undermining global systems of non-proliferation.
There is no credible civilian justification for the current state
of its nuclear programme. It goes far beyond the limits set out
in the JCPOA nuclear deal and we have made it clear to Iran
directly that it must de-escalate. In October 2023, the UK and EU
maintained nuclear sanctions on Iran that were due to lift under
the JCPOA. That was a direct and calibrated response to Iran's
non-compliance. We are committed to using all diplomatic options
to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, including
triggering the UN snapback if necessary.
There was a thoughtful and accurate reflection on Iran's threats
in the UK. Since January 2022, we have identified at least 15
threats backed by Iran towards the lives of individuals based in
the UK. The FCDO is working closely with the Home Office and law
enforcement partners to actively disrupt and respond to such
threats. The Foreign Secretary has made it clear to his Iranian
counterparts that the threats are unacceptable and must stop. He
summoned Iran's most senior diplomat to the UK in December in
response to an ITV News report detailing plots to kill employees
of Iran International.
In late 2023, we introduced a new Iran sanctions regime, which
gives us more extensive powers to designate Iran-backed people
and entities who threaten us and our allies. We have already used
that to sanction members of organised crime networks and Iranian
officials responsible for Iranian plots overseas. The National
Security Act 2023 also gives us new powers to protect the British
public, including new offences for espionage and foreign
interference.
We have sanctioned more than 400 people and entities,
including—as the right hon. Member for Barking will want to
know—60 IRGC members. Sanctions have an immediate impact. They
freeze and clamp down on economic activity, and they are very
clear. The sanctions team within the FCDO spends a considerable
amount of time looking at that particular country and its
network.
On the point of proscription and the IRGC, I have been on record
with where I stand on that issue, and that is already in Hansard
for people to read. I recognise the strength of feeling displayed
by hon. Members on the question of proscription, because they
know where I stand on that issue. It is a long-standing
position—as it should be, because these are very serious
decisions—that we do not comment on any potential decisions. Yet
as the Foreign Secretary outlined to the Lords Select Committee
on International Relations and Defence last week, we recognise
the malign threat posed by the IRGC and we are taking significant
measures to counter it at home and around the world.
As I mentioned, we have already sanctioned the IRGC in its
entirety and designated more than 60 IRGC officers and affiliated
entities under our sanctions regime. That is not a point at which
we stop; obviously, we gather evidence constantly to see how much
further we can go. We are confident that we have the tools that
we need to sanction, prosecute and mitigate the threats from
Iran.
We have all laid out clearly the escalation that has been
supported by Israel over the past seven or eight months,
particularly around the middle eastern conflict. The Minister
might not be able to tell us in detail, but what is the red line
beyond which we will all understand that proscription will kick
in? Each day that passes, the escalation gets greater. I
understand her views on proscription, which we largely share, but
what is the red line beyond which the UK Government will say,
“Enough is enough, we're now going to take action,” even if she
cannot give us the date?
Ms Ghani
The power—the decision—to proscribe sits with the Home Office and
the Home Secretary, so I do not want to speak without authority
and without being absolutely accurate. I took care of the
sanctions regime in the Department for Business and Trade, and I
know that we had to meet an incredibly high evidence threshold
within that framework. I assume that the same applies here. I
accept that so many circumstances have taken place recently, but
I cannot go any further in explaining where we are, because those
decisions are taken internally. For us to speculate on who may or
may not be proscribed does not help the discussion, but I fully
appreciate the strength of feeling in the Chamber. I will see
what more information I can provide in writing to the right hon.
Member for Barking, who secured the debate.
I do not want to embarrass the Minister unduly, but it is
commonly said that the Home Office is in favour of proscription,
while the Foreign Office is not, so there are two conflicting
opinions. Would the Minister care to comment on that? If indeed
there is a conflict of opinions, how will that be resolved?
Ms Ghani
I can only be honest and say that that is not my experience of
the Home Office, so no doubt that is just further speculation. We
need to focus on the powers that we have and how we apply them
appropriately.
Those powers are in the sanctions regime, and more than 400
Iranian individuals and entities have been sanctioned already.
The Office of Financial Sanctions Implementation also has a role
on behalf of the Treasury. OFSI does not comment on specific
cases, but every instance of non-compliance with financial
sanctions is taken very seriously. To touch on the issue of
banks, UK businesses, including banks, are expected to perform
due diligence checks on all customers and clients to ensure
compliance with UK sanctions regulations. However, firms need to
consider their own risk exposure. The Government are committed to
ensuring that our sanctions are robustly enforced, potential
breaches investigated and appropriate action taken.
I was surprised to hear, in two contributions, about reporting in
the Financial Times referencing, in particular, Santander and
Lloyds Bank. It was absolutely appropriate to then reference the
Financial Conduct Authority and ensuring that those concerns are
raised with it to see whether it needs to explore any further. I
took on board the other two banks that were mentioned, Bank
Saderat and Melli Bank. The evidence presented in this debate is
incredibly concerning, and I urge colleagues to raise it with the
appropriate authorities.
Dame
I am pleased with the Minister's remarks about the banks. Will
she or her Department also ensure that the FCDO and other
enforcement agencies are made aware of what is happening and what
was said in the debate?
Ms Ghani
I am not sure what the process is, but because the right hon.
Lady raised the issue with me and I am responding in the debate,
I will ensure that correspondence is sent to tell the FCA what
was said today, and that we would like a response to the issues
raised, which are concerning.
I have a few more points to make, which I think are the most
important. We have talked about some of the major macro issues,
but there are other issues that Iranians have to deal with day
in, day out—in particular the human rights abuses that are mostly
meted out to women and young girls. The case of Mahsa Amini was
raised earlier. She was 22 years old and was arrested simply for
refusing to wear a hijab. In the widespread protests that
followed her death, women removed their headscarves and chanted,
“Women, life, freedom.” The protests were crushed violently by
the IRGC. I am a Muslim woman myself, and it should not be a
privilege to choose to show my hair or life-threatening for me
not to cover it up, but unfortunately that is the case for many
women in Iran.
In any debate on Iran, we have to take into account its terrible
human rights abuses at home—the repression of women and girls;
the uninhibited use of the death penalty; violent crackdowns on
dissenting voices—which will not go unchallenged. Just last week,
we saw more reports of the regime's appalling treatment of
protesters, journalists and those expressing their right to
freedom of expression, including the fearless artist Toomaj
Salehi.
Sir
I apologise for interrupting my hon. Friend in her flow, but I
want to check something. As I understand it, Iran is not
specified as a threat in the integrated review; I think it is
described as a “persistent destabilising” influence in the middle
east. Does she agree with that?
Ms Ghani
I assume that my right hon. Friend was reading exactly from the
integrated review. Obviously, I would agree with the exact words
of the integrated review, or the integrated review refresh.
Sir
Worth a try.
Ms Ghani
Marvellous.
We were horrified to read the recent reporting surrounding the
death of Nika Shakarami, who joins a long list of young women and
girls who have lost their lives in the custody of the Iranian
authorities. We express our deepest condolences to Nika's family
and all the families who have lost a loved one during the
crackdown on the Women, Life, Freedom movement.
At the recent 55th UN Human Rights Council session, the UK was in
the core group for the Iran human rights resolution, which
renewed the mandates of both the special rapporteur and the
independent fact-finding mission on Iran. Those mandates are
essential for continuing to hold Iran to account for its human
rights violations. Since the protests began in September 2022, we
have sanctioned 94 individuals and entities for human rights
violations, including decision makers responsible for Iran's
hijab laws and political and security officials involved in the
crackdown on protesters.
In the two minutes I have left, I want to reflect on the points
raised about universities. Interference in UK academia is
unacceptable. That is why the Government have brought in the
Higher Education (Freedom of Speech) Act 2023 and the National
Security Act 2023. Solid points were made about Islamic centres
and the Charity Commission. The commission is conducting
statutory inquiries into both the Islamic Centre of England and
the Al-Tawheed Charitable Trust, and we welcome its robust action
in taking on those inquiries. On the point raised by the chair of
the APPG for international freedom of religion or belief, the
hon. Member for Strangford, he knows that I was with him in the
Special Envoy for Freedom of Religion or Belief Bill Committee
when we talked about making sure that the envoy has the resources
to continue its work for as long as it is needed.
I could go on, Mr Henderson, but I know that I need to leave some
time for a response. We fully understand that a better
relationship with Iran depends on the Iranian regime changing its
actions. There will be no improvement in our relationship until
the regime takes action to reduce its malign influence and
activity at home and abroad. We will do everything we can with
the powers we have to continue to deter and disrupt the full
range of threats Iran imposes on us regionally and
internationally. We will continue to take action across
Government and with the international community, and we will
continue to stand up for our values and for human rights.
Question put and agreed to.
Resolved,
That this House has considered the matter of countering hostile
activities by Iran.
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