Moved by Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle That this House takes
note of the role of schools in caring for the mental health and
well-being of pupils, and assisting in their development as
community and family members. Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (GP)
My Lords, I begin by thanking the Library for the excellent
briefing setting out the problem. A standout statistic in that
briefing about the truly terrible state of the mental health of
school pupils was that...Request free
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That this House takes note of the role of schools in caring for
the mental health and well-being of pupils, and assisting in
their development as community and family members.
(GP)
My Lords, I begin by thanking the Library for the excellent
briefing setting out the problem. A standout statistic in that
briefing about the truly terrible state of the mental health of
school pupils was that in November 2023 NHS Digital estimated
that 20% of eight to 16 year-olds had a probable mental health
disorder.
I thank the significant number of NGOs and campaign groups that
sent briefings for the debate. I pick out particularly Square
Peg, an organisation established by and for those with lived
experience of school attendance difficulties. It works in
partnership with Not Fine in School. Its existence since 2018
demonstrates how the issue we are discussing pre-dates the Covid
pandemic, while acknowledging that it has undoubtedly magnified
issues for pupils, parents and schools. Absence rates were rising
by 15% to 20% per annum pre pandemic, while exclusion and
suspension rates, off-rolling and de-registrations were also
increasing.
I thank very much the noble Lords who signed up for this last
item of business on a Thursday. This is an acknowledgement of the
concern about this issue and the desire to examine not just
treatment but causes. I look forward to all noble Lords’
contributions.
The origins of this debate lie in alarm following the report, in
November 2023, by the Children’s Commissioner for England. The
report found that pupil absence had become endemic at key stage
4, with over one-third of pupils either persistently or severely
absent for at least one year. But from both the largest parties
in our politics, discussion and debate about those figures has, I
am afraid, focused on what is wrong with pupils or parents. The
Government have launched a national communications campaign
called Moments Matter, Attendance Counts, which targets parents
and carers, trying to get through to them the importance of
attendance for attainment, well-being and development.
That seems to ignore the fact that a survey by the youth mental
health charity stem4 found that 28% of 12 to 18 year-olds had not
attended school over the last year due to anxiety about the
experience of attendance. Experts comment that many of them are
unable to cope with the school experience, and the “prosecuting
parents” report reflects that threatening legal action against
parents, as often happens, is both pointless and damaging. But,
all too often, that continues to be the response. What does it do
to a parent-child relationship if the parent or carer is being
pressured by the Government to force the child to go to school,
even when school is making the child ill? The top Labour response
was that it would legislate for a compulsory national register of
home-schooled children, who are not, of course, the source of the
attendance issue.
Rather than focusing on pupils or parents, the Green Party and I
want to focus on what is happening in our schools. What are they
doing to push away pupils—particularly, but far from only, those
from disadvantaged backgrounds and with special educational
needs, disabilities and chronic illnesses, including long
Covid—and discourage their attendance? Why are they failing to be
attracted to school?
There is a whole other issue about the rising levels of poverty
and child poverty, which were addressed in the powerful earlier
debate today. That is obviously a major contributor. Our society
is dysfunctional and is failing many, particularly the young. But
I will keep the focus today within schools. There is also a big
issue of underfunding, but I will not focus on that today because
it descends so easily into a pointless duel of statistics.
I stress that I am not blaming hard-working heads, teachers and
other staff, who operate within a system forced on them, one that
has been ideologically driven, over the course of Governments of
different hues, to focus on discipline, rigid frameworks,
teaching to the test, regimented and tightly controlled
behaviour, and so-called preparation for work. Of course, I have
to mention dealing with the impacts of austerity, which saw the
most deprived one-fifth of secondary schools’ spending per pupil
fall by 12% in real terms between 2010 and 2021. As a former
school governor, I saw the pressure that heads and teachers were
under to conform, to test and to push square pegs into round
holes.
The spread of multi-academy trust schools, independent of local
democratic control—with schools not infrequently forced, rather
than choosing, to join—has been associated with models of rigid
discipline and heavy penalties for the slightest infraction: not
having a pen, speaking in a corridor or having the wrong hairdo.
A former teacher described it as “institutional bullying”. These
schools are concentrated in more economically deprived, often
so-called levelling-up, areas. A mother shared with me on social
media her child’s response to the suggestion that school was
preparing them for society. The child said, “But the only place
in society that is like school is a prison”. Out of the mouths of
babes come some terribly clear truths.
One of the things that I want to reflect on goes back in history,
and how little schools have changed in the past century. If you
set aside the technology of whiteboards and personal tablets then
the structure, system and perceived purpose of schools is
essentially unchanged. The subjects taught and favoured, the
external exams and classes, with dozens of pupils of the same age
all proceeding together, the idea that this is to prepare pupils
for the workplace and the focus on discipline, uniform and
conformity—all this would be entirely familiar to a Victorian
student, and to what use is the technology put? In initiating
discussions about this debate, I learned that in many schools an
app records a pupil’s demerits—how many black marks they have
earned that day—which are also conveyed electronically to
parents, to show how much time pupils are supposed to spend in
detention. What does it do to your mental health to know that
when your phone vibrates, you have another black mark, another
perceived failure, another punishment?
The Autistic Girls Network shared with me research from 2023,
showing that 94% of school attendance cases were underpinned by
significant emotional distress. Some 92% of those children were
neurodivergent and 83% were autistic. However, as the network
pointed out, 80% of autistic girls remain unrecognised at the age
of 18, so the numbers will be even higher than that. There is no
doubt that children with special educational needs and
disabilities are being severely failed by the current system.
That issue, I am pleased to say, is often raised in your
Lordships’ House, and I am confident when I look at the speakers’
list that others in this debate will focus on it. I shall focus
on the fact that many pupils, particularly those who start with
advantages in family background, health and well-being, may
survive the experience of school—they may not show up in the
absence statistics or with mental health states sufficient to
appear in the medical figures—but we should want and expect much
more from schools than being something to survive and endure.
I focus on the rise in discipline, rules and controls over every
aspect of pupils’ bodies within the school gates, but there is
also the question of what has disappeared from schools,
particularly over recent years. I discussed this debate with Rick
Page, ex-head teacher of Wordsworth Primary School in
Southampton, a large inner-city school of 630 children. Over a
number of years, when he was head, he developed a five-strand
creative child programme; a music department that sent an
orchestra to play at the Royal Albert Hall with the Bournemouth
Symphony Orchestra; a sports coach team with an office on site
and an extensive curriculum, plus after-school and holiday clubs;
an environmental studies and forest schoolteacher, teaching in a
nature zone; a dance teacher for tackling ballet and to lead the
Rock Challenge; and an arts focus, which included a talented
artists scheme with a neighbouring public school, the King Edward
VI School. Mr Page told me that attendance, attitude and
behaviour were all improved by fostering a real connection with
children’s lives and the local community. Since he retired,
continual real-terms budget cuts and the straitjacket of
conformity imposed on schools by Ofsted have seen many
significant parts of that lost. That is one school example, but
the reality of many.
I want to introduce a final theme: the content of education
offered in schools, which, as I said earlier, has changed little
since Victorian times. This comment was inspired by hearing
Nehaal Bajwa, the vice-president for liberation and equality at
the National Union of Students, speaking last night and
reflecting on how the system provides education throughout in how
our economy, society and environment are broken, but fails to
provide solutions on how to fix it. We really ought to think
about how we provide pupils with the ability to deal with the
many challenges that they face in our society—challenges that our
generation has bequeathed to them. I would add that we have
schools that are preparing pupils to be cogs in the existing
economic system, a fate against which many pupils are rebelling.
There is an idea that education is for exams and jobs, when it
needs to be a complete preparation for life in a fast-changing
world, living as citizens, neighbours and family and household
members, and as consumers in and contributors to society in
multiple ways.
How will we tackle the climate emergency and nature crisis, the
poverty and inequality of the world and the geopolitical turmoil?
The climate strikers showed us that school pupils are fully
engaged with those things, but how are schools helping them to do
that? What I heard from being out with and talking to those
climate strikers was that they felt that schools were failing
them. Indeed, a number said to me that they had teachers ask them
to explain the climate emergency, because the teachers themselves
did not feel that they had the framework to understand it.
What does the rigid behavioural indoctrination prepare pupils
for? Perhaps behaving with the efficiency of a robot in an Amazon
warehouse, or following the script in a call centre. WB Yeats
said that education is not the filling of a pail, but the
lighting of a fire. Yet, all too often, what we have in the
current system is filling school pupils with anxiety and fear;
with test answers and rigid routines, rather than a love of
learning and the capacity to discover and innovate; with the
problems of the adult world, but not the sense that they can take
control and join with others to solve them.
I like to provide solutions, so I will finish with a final stream
of thought that may be the most radical part of this speech. How
do we fix all this? One part of my answer is that it starts with
democracy. We need to restore democratic control over schools and
remove the dead centralising hand of Westminster; more than that,
we need to make schools more democratic. Psychologists tell us
that to be empowered and be in control of your own life and your
own body is crucial to well-being. It is a central part of good
mental health. That is as true for children as it is for
adults.
So, what do we need? We are talking about health and well-being,
helping pupils to step out into a difficult world with so many
challenges, equipped to live good, healthy, productive lives. We
need schools that are more democratic and more compassionate,
caring and forgiving. If a child forgot a pen or did not get
exactly the right uniform on that morning, how much should that
child pay for that? What is the cost of penalising that child
heavily? They need to be more accepting of difference, more
embedded in and reflective of their communities, not reflective
of the will of Westminster. They need to be far richer in art,
culture, physical activity and play. That is the sort of schools
that we need to care for the mental health and well-being of our
future generations, to send them out into the world for a
healthy, fulfilling and productive life.3.33pm
(Con)
My Lords, all of us today appreciate that the noble Baroness,
Lady Bennett, managed to achieve this debate, which we all
welcome hugely; I thank her. I do not consider anything that we
talk about today to be party politics; it is much more important
than that. My friend, the noble Lord, , has spent years, indeed
decades, debating how we can hasten the methods for helping this
group of people. I must also say that I have been helped for this
debate by Professor Vivian Hill of University College London, who
is the past chair of the British Psychological Society’s Division
of Educational and Child Psychology. We worked together for many
years because my grandson is autistic, although that is not the
only reason; it was much wider than just my grandson.
While schools can, and do, play a significant role in supporting
the mental health and well-being of all their pupils, head
teachers have a significant role in delivering the culture and
ethos of their schools. They face a significant increase in the
number of pupils requiring support, and they can face significant
challenges when working with pupils with more severe and complex
needs, in particular those with special educational needs,
including autism and dyslexia. To support these pupils and their
families, they would require access to more specialist
professional support services, such as educational psychologists
and child and adolescent mental health services, although this
support is increasingly rare.
I will elaborate on the nature of the challenge. There is a great
deal of evidence on increasing mental health needs in children
and young people. NHS data from 2021 suggests that the rates of
probable mental disorders have increased since 2017, reporting an
increase from 11.6% in 2017 to 17.4% in 2021, which reflects a
change from one in nine to one in six children aged six to 16,
and the data indicates a similar increase in 17 to 19 year-olds.
The Children’s Society Good Childhood Report 2022 indicates that,
in the past three years, the likelihood of young people having a
mental health problem has increased by some 50%, suggesting that
five children in a classroom of 30 are now likely to have mental
health problems. Access to overstretched specialist services such
as child and adolescent mental health teams is extremely
problematical, with 34% of those pupils referred to NHS services
not accepted into treatment or placed on waiting lists of one to
three years. We know that in the region of 50% of mental health
problems start by age 14, and early proactive and preventive
support is critical and may significantly reduce longer-term
needs for the individual and longer-term costs for society; it is
a problem that cannot be ignored.
The limited access to specialist support or professional guidance
for schools and families leaves them struggling to manage complex
mental health needs that require the knowledge and skills of
specialist support services, and by this, I mean educational
psychologists and CAMHS. There are huge variations in access to
this type of support in different parts of the country and some
areas have little or no access to these services. The money the
DfE is investing in the new training contract for educational
psychologists is very welcome. However, the numbers who are to be
trained are critically short of meeting the current and future
demands.
The recent Department for Education report on the EP workforce in
2023 revealed: 88% of local authorities reporting difficulties in
recruiting educational psychologists; one-third of local
authorities reporting difficulties with the retention of
educational psychologists; and 96% of the local authorities
reporting recruitment and/or retention issues stated that these
difficulties have critically affected young people reaching their
full potential. This month, the recent comments from the Local
Government and Social Care Ombudsman have noted with
consternation that the foreseeable educational psychology
workforce capacity issues have been decades in the making and the
impact that has had on young people’s timely access to education,
health and care needs assessments, as well as early intervention
and preventive work, puts many of these children and young
people, their schools and families at risk of avoidable poor
outcomes.
In summary, if schools are to care adequately for the mental
health and well-being of all their pupils, in particular those
with SEN, they will require access to specialist support from
educational psychologists and better access to CAMHS. Access to
these services will help schools respond to and meet these needs
and help prevent pupils’ needs escalating, at great detriment to
the child and their family and at huge cost to society. My noble
friend the Minister has over many years devoted a great deal of
her time to addressing and hastening change. I know that she
cares most deeply for these very special people, many of whom
contribute so much to the arts, sciences and original
thinking.
3.40pm
(Lab)
My Lords, I too welcome the opportunity to have a debate on this
important area. We are at the start of a very long journey in
trying to find the appropriate answers.
I am not as pessimistic as the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett,
about the state of schools. I often find them happy places. Not
all is well and things could be better, but there are not 24,000
miserable institutions throughout the country. For many of our
children, school is the only place where their well-being is
protected; they are emotionally stronger, more stable and happier
because they go to school every day. However, I absolutely accept
that that is not true for everyone, and every child matters. We
must do as much as we can to support those children who are
falling off the edge.
I wondered why I never discussed issues such as this during my 18
years of teaching. There are probably two reasons why it was not
on our agenda way back then. First, we are now more aware that
children can have mental health problems and medical science
means that we have done more to diagnose them. Secondly, I agree
with the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, that the pressure has
increased, and we need to look at that. The question is whether
the schools are the cause of that deterioration of well-being and
whether they are equipped to support children when the pressures
come from outside. How much is it the schools’ fault and how much
can they do to help when pressure comes from elsewhere?
I believe that children should be encouraged to do well in
examinations. I am glad that I got mine. They gave me my life
chances and every statistic shows that children who do not do so
have worse opportunities. I have never apologised for any teacher
or politician whose policies intend to narrow that divide between
children who succeed in exams at school and those who do not.
However, it is legitimate to ask what the cost of that has been
in the way that we structure our schools. That is what I want to
concentrate on. There has been a cost and we can do something
about it, but we need to be honest and open and think very
carefully.
The problem is not the higher expectations for all children to do
well in their exams but the levers we use to try to bring that
about. We have undoubtedly made these exams so high-pressured and
high-risk that they create an environment in schools, from the
head to the teachers to the parents and then trickling down to
the children, whereby if you do not succeed, you are in trouble
and a failure. That is a problem.
I always remember a young child who had not done as well in their
exams as they thought they would saying to me, “Estelle, does
that mean that I’m not any good and won’t be able to get a job?”
It was very difficult in that moment to say, “Of course you can,
everyone fails and you learn from it”, because the whole pressure
prior to that had been to say, “If you don’t work hard, you won’t
get a job, and success is doing A, B or C”. Those messages we
give children are really important. You need your exams and
should do as well as you can, but it is not the end of the world
and you are not a worse person if you do not do as well as you
might.
The second issue on which I agree very much with the noble
Baroness, Lady Bennett, is that there is no doubt that two things
have happened. Things that can aid well-being—art, creativity,
sport, time to think and space to talk, time to build good
relationships—have been squeezed out of schools. Even where they
have not, teachers do not think they are valued. Both those
things are a huge problem. There are teachers who are trying to
do those things; I see so much wonderful creativity in the arts
in schools. You scratch your head and think, “I thought all of
that was gone”. It is not valued, and because people think that
government and others do not value it, that becomes a problem.
There is more to be done, but I would not want to go back to the
glory days when the division between the successes and failures
was very much based on sex discrimination and social class
discrimination.
Schools themselves can support children who may have mental
health issues arising from pressures outside school, such as
social media, drugs, fragmented communities, or families who do
not have the skills to help them. Schools are absolutely key in
this. They are the places where most children go and where trust
is greatest—probably after child medical services.
We also need to address whether schools have the workforce to
deliver on that task. There is so much more that could be done.
If you look at the staffing of any school, you will probably find
that almost all—but not all—the staff are employed to bring about
academic progress and success. We need a better balance and
skillset within schools. I would like to visit schools and find
that, in addition to teachers whose job it is to get children
through exams, there are also people with the time to talk about
spiritual things, for example, to work magic, to take the kids
out. We need people with skills and qualifications in mental
health—not necessarily highly qualified psychologists, but people
whose job it is to do early intervention and give early support
for young children.
That is where the problem lies. Years and years ago, schools were
part of their communities. All families, especially in village
communities, sent their children to their local school, which
often neighboured the church. It was a tight community where
everyone knew what was going on. Whatever you think about it,
parental choice and a move to doing better means that this
community built around a school has broken down. However, it does
not mean that we cannot use the school as a base and a community
for the people it serves. It just means that we need to do it in
a very different way.
I finish by acknowledging the work the Government have done on
mental health support teams. They have not done anywhere near
enough on the curriculum—PSHE and citizenship, for example—but
that is for another day. I like the mental health support teams,
and I declare an interest, in that I am involved with the
Birmingham Education Partnership, which is in charge of managing
and promoting some of these. However, I worry that they might be
seen as a substitute for people who have slogged for years to
gain well-earned qualifications. Progress really is too slow. We
are covering only 35% of pupils, six years after the start of the
initiative. It needs to be done better and faster. It would be
helpful if the Minister could tell us when this might be rolled
out nationally.
3.48pm
Earl Russell (LD)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, for bringing
this important debate before the House, and those who are
speaking today.
Improving the mental health and well-being of our children in
school is one of the most important issues, and all of us must
work on it together. In the early years, a good experience of
education and the ability to learn, grow and develop in a safe
and secure environment are essential to success in future life.
Our children need to be resilient. Good mental health is a
prerequisite to learning, as it is to good attendance at school.
An ill child is no more capable of learning than a cheese grater
is of being a glass of water. Our schools must be warm,
welcoming, adaptable and inclusive spaces. Schools are ideal
settings for providing our children with mental health
support.
In a previous debate, the noble Baroness, Lady Hollins, put it
very well:
“Thinking about a child’s school environment, we need to develop
a culture of nurture as the foundation for learning”.—[Official
Report, 23/11/23; col. 837.]
We need proper funding and resources and a whole-school approach.
First and foremost, we must deal with the immediate crisis.
I held my own debate in November on the current state of mental
health support for children and young people in England. I
declared my personal interest as a parent of a child who has gone
through long periods of poor mental health, saying that it was
one of the most challenging periods of my life and that no parent
ever wants to see their child unable to keep themselves safe. My
knowledge and experience in these matters is as a parent.
The scale of the mental health problem is huge; it
disproportionately affects those in poverty and is made worse by
the lack of resources available to resolve it. The most recent
key findings from the NHS digital survey show that one in five of
our young people aged eight to 25 had a probable mental health
disorder. Rates remain at elevated levels following the pandemic,
and among 17 to 25 year-olds, rates were twice as high for young
women as they were for young men. We are treating double the
number than before the pandemic of children and young people with
eating disorders who need urgent care. We have huge waits for
services, with treatment for even immediate and urgent cases
often, in effect, being denied. We face a children’s and young
person’s mental health emergency, and we must all work together
to end the wait. The House spoke clearly with one urgent voice on
the issues, and I think it will do so again today.
I have called on the Government to accelerate the rollout of
mental health support hubs to all schools and colleges
nationwide. That is the quickest and most effective form of help.
I asked the Government to commit to bringing forward their target
of 50% access by 2024-25 and making it 100%. in the other place has
introduced a Private Member’s Bill on this issue, and I am
delighted that my party has put forward proposals for dedicated
mental health professionals in all state-funded schools and to
pay for that through a trebling of the digital services tax.
Place2Be has calculated that every £1 invested in primary
schools-based mental health provision will generate £8 in
economic and social benefits.
The response from the Minister at the time of my last debate was
positive; however, since then, nothing has happened. I kindly ask
her why there has been no movement from the Government on these
issues? The urgency and need is clear and the cost is not great,
so are there practical problems with accelerating the policy? Is
it about not being able to find and train staff in time, or are
there other practical matters?
I will briefly say a few words about long-term persistent
absence. When my child was ill, she was off school for prolonged
periods and had a very poor attendance record during others. I
know what it is like, and just how challenging it can be, when
your child is not well enough keep themselves safe, let alone
attend school. I know the struggle of trying to get them out of
bed every morning. I also understand how we got in this position:
Covid caused an explosion in mental health issues, and we need to
understand better why that was. It shows that our children are
lacking the resilience they so desperately need.
As a result of the increase in poor mental health and the lack of
available treatment, absence rates invariably rose, and the
Government and schools, rightly, wanted to bring those back down.
However, my personal perception is that they went too far. Fining
parents should be an absolute last resort. The parent of any
child who is waiting for treatment for mental health issues or is
unable to get a diagnosis for autism or other special needs
should not face those fines. There needs to be far more
co-operation between schools and parents in trying to get
children who are suffering back to school. The Children’s
Commissioner has also pointed out this problem, calling it
“the issue of our time”.
Like me, she is calling for the Government to accelerate the
rollout of mental health hubs.
Although the causes of persistent absence from school are
complex, one key factor is the lack of mental health support and
I would like to ask the Minister about the connection with the
numbers of children who have been waiting over a month for CAMHS.
Do the Government keep statistics, cross-referencing them for
children who are waiting for treatment against children who are
also long-term persistently absent from school? It is important
that the Government cross-reference those two groups so they can
better understand whether a denial of treatment for mental
ill-health is one of the key drivers of long-term persistent
absence from school.
Finally, I call on the Government again to please take more
urgent action on these matters. I recognise the progress made and
the actions taken, but more needs to be done urgently to protect
our children and young people.
3.55pm
(CB)
My Lords, it is a pleasure to speak in this debate and I pay
tribute to the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, for focusing her
seemingly inexhaustible energies on this important topic. It is a
complex topic that invites multiple approaches. I intend to focus
narrowly on one area, and, given that intended focus, I must
start by declaring my interests as noted in the register. Of
particular relevance to this debate is my role as chair of an
expert advisory panel convened by government to offer non-binding
advice to the DCMS and DfE on the development of their plan for
cultural education.
My own education was far from usual in that I entered
professional training at the age of 11 as a student at the Royal
Ballet School. I will always count myself fortunate to have been
educated in a place where there was never any sense that art was
an extra, a “nice to have”, or peripheral to the main purpose.
Art and arts-based approaches were integrated throughout a
broad-based education that would equip us with a set of skills as
important in life as they are in dance: curiosity, courage,
perseverance, confidence, teamwork, personal responsibility and a
creative hinterland on which to draw. Over the years, my
increasing awareness of just how effectively that arts-enriched
education prepared me for life beyond the stage has inspired an
ongoing quest to better understand the role of the arts, culture
and creativity in personal and social development, educational
attainment, and health and well-being.
It is a field of research that has blossomed over recent decades.
In 2016, the AHRC published a landmark report, Understanding the
Value of Arts & Culture, which analysed, among other things,
how arts engagement contributes to community cohesion, civic
engagement and educational attainment. Three years later, the
World Health Organization published the largest report to date on
the underlying evidence base for the contribution of arts and
culture to health and well-being. Of particular relevance to this
debate is that the report found strong evidence of a positive
correlation between arts engagement and the social determinants
of health, child development and healthy behaviours.
Alongside evidence that childhood engagement in arts activities
can predict academic performance across the school years, the
report’s authors also found that it promotes pro-social classroom
and playground behaviour, enhances emotional competence and
reduces bullying. The behavioural benefits are shown to extend to
groups with diverse needs. Children from less advantaged
backgrounds, those with social, emotional and behavioural
difficulties and those with physical or learning disabilities
experienced reductions in anxiety, depression or aggression, with
associated improvements in self-esteem, confidence, communication
and personal empowerment. The authors also report a sizeable
literature on the arts’ role in building social and community
capital, fostering co-operation across different cultures,
reducing prejudice, enhancing social consciousness and increasing
civic behaviours such as voting and volunteering.
Dr Daisy Fancourt, one of the authors of the report, has worked
forensically over many years to investigate the ways in which
these outcomes occur: how the component elements of arts
activities trigger psychological, physiological, social and
behavioural responses that are themselves causally linked with
positive health and well-being outcomes. In addressing the
question that the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, has introduced
today, it is worth considering each of these in turn.
Fancourt’s work points to how the aesthetic and emotional
components of art provide opportunities for understanding and
exploring emotions. They allow opportunities for emotional
regulation and stress reduction, and all these are key to how we
manage mental health. The cognitive stimulation in art supports
learning and skills development, which is beneficial in itself
but is also interrelated with mental illnesses such as
depression. Group interactions through arts activities improve
social capital and reduce prejudice and discrimination between
different groups. The physicality of arts activities reduces
sedentary behaviours, improving fitness, flexibility and bone
health and linking to reductions in depression. This is what the
research tells us.
Schools taking part in the Artsmark programme show us what this
looks like in action. Artsmark offers schools a framework and
support to embed creativity across the curriculum, addressing
school improvement priorities, and 89% of Artsmark schools report
improvements in pupils’ well-being and resilience. They point to
positive impacts on mental health, enhanced intercultural
understanding and stronger connections forged between staff,
pupils, families and local communities. Schools also report
improvements in punctuality, student engagement and attendance,
underlining the important point noted earlier by the noble
Baroness, Lady Bennett, about creating environments that
encourage children and their parents to engage with school.
Partnership working is key to success and, in the best-case
scenarios, a network of commissioners, providers and agencies
across education, culture, voluntary and faith sectors, as well
as local authorities, work together to provide children with
rich, culturally diverse and locally connected arts
opportunities. I urge the Minister to follow the progress of
Culture Start, a three-year city-based cross-sector partnership
launching this year in Sunderland, which will span social housing
and the voluntary, cultural and youth sectors, as well as
education, to provide young people with cultural experiences that
help to mitigate some of the impacts of growing up in
poverty.
Research and lived experience demonstrate how arts activities and
experiences can support schools in caring for the mental health
and well-being of children and in fostering family and community
connections. The evidence is clear, the outcomes evident. There
are, of course, other routes for children to access arts
activities, at home and in the community, but if we want all
children to enjoy the developmental, educational and social
benefits associated with arts engagement, school—a universal
experience—is surely the best route to ensuring universal
access.
I know that, in responding, the Minister will reiterate her
commitment to ensuring that all children have access to these
opportunities through education. I will finish by welcoming that
commitment in advance.
4.02pm
(Con)
My Lords, I extend my gratitude to the noble Baroness, Lady
Bennett, for initiating this vital debate, and declare my
interests as a parent of home-educated and state-educated
children and as a board member of an organisation committed to
providing private education.
We are at a critical juncture, where the mental health challenges
facing our youth have intensified—notably since the pandemic, as
others have pointed out. Just this month, the Royal College of
Psychiatrists said that there had been a 53% increase in the
number of children in mental health crisis over the last four
years. This situation is exacerbated by a schooling environment
in which most GCSEs are now tested in exams only. This, coupled
with limited resources, has severely hampered schools’ ability to
support effectively those with neurodiversity and SEND, as well
as other pupils struggling generally with mental health
challenges.
It is heartening to see the Government’s introduction of mental
health support teams and the provision of funding for training
leads. This is a commendable step towards embedding mental health
support within our educational framework. However, the reach of
these initiatives needs expansion, given that eventually it will
still only be available to half of all schools, and all schools
are still limited in the degree that they can help children with
particularly acute needs. It is essential that this support
becomes a staple across all schools, ensuring that no child is
left without the necessary mental health resources that they need
at whatever intensity of need they have. I of course pay tribute
to the many schools and teachers who do such a great job in spite
of all this, helping where they can.
I will now focus my remarks on the school pathways for parents
and children dealing with mental health episodes which, from
those I have spoken to and interacted with, are too often
confusing, complex and traumatic. This comes on top of the high
levels of stress families feel because of the issues they have to
deal with and, sometimes, the bullying that accompanies them. The
pathways need clarification and simplification; they need to
become more collaborative rather than confrontational, offering
support rather than exacerbating stress and anxiety.
Too often, parents find that the imperative schools have to keep
children in school and perform in and for exams, and to manage
limited resources and attention to get the bulk of their pupils
moving forwards, conflicts with the individualised and tailored
attention and support needed by pupils facing mental health
challenges. In a number of cases, parents decide to remove their
children from a school environment which is not sufficiently
supportive, which the child refuses to go to or in which they
face bullying.
At this point, the parents face a number of hurdles: attempts can
often be made to keep the child in school attendance, even if it
might not be in the child’s best interests or aid their
well-being, so that the school, trust and local authority can
maintain their targets, sometimes with the threat of prosecution
or fines. The family can often feel mistreated, like
criminals.
I find that, in such scenarios, many families currently see home
education as their only escape from such a system that does not
adequately cater to their needs. It seems to them the only legal
way to move forwards without harassment, short of moving house to
another locality. This choice, often made in desperation, should
prompt us to reflect on how we can make even more of our schools
more neuro-inclusive and supportive environments, rather than
ones that have to enforce rules that may not apply or be
particularly helpful in such circumstances.
I am also saddened that, rather than dealing with the causes of
such absences and the growth of home education as a result of
this crisis, the Government and other stakeholders are
considering implementing registers for out-of-school children.
This would add further stress to families who have chosen to go
down that route. It would be wiser to sort out the lack of
support and empathy when families have to endure mental health
and special needs challenges in schools, signpost multiple paths
including, but not just, home education to provide temporary
respite and formulate a plan, which may or may not involve the
former school, and provide advice, support and training if home
education is the chosen path, rather than to create a situation
where those who have taken their children out of school are
automatically assumed to be criminal or are suspected of neglect
or any number of crimes. For many, their only desire is
ultimately to see their child well, succeed and be restored.
In closing, I will pose a number of critical questions to the
Minister. First, will there be an investigation into the reliance
on home education as the only legitimate escape route for parents
seeking to protect their children from a system that can
sometimes feel to them adversarial, and work done to clarify the
pathways out of an unsustainable school environment, so that they
are more supportive and do not suspect the parents or child as a
first resort?
Secondly, in light of the recent trends in school attendance and
the unique challenges post Covid—they look like a result of Covid
at the moment, given that attendance is now rising again—is there
a plan for an emergency support package specifically targeted at
the student cohorts most affected from 2020 onwards?
Thirdly, what support is planned for these children and families
with mental health challenges and additional needs who are out of
formal school contexts, given that they sometimes need help,
either when they are being home-educated or are in an in-between
situation, at home or in another non-school context? Will funding
be released for families to access trained support from either
local authorities or trusted charities without being pursued for
absences in those situations?
Our commitment to the mental health and well-being of our pupils
is a testament to our dedication to their future and the future
of our society. Let us ensure that our actions reflect this
commitment by fostering an environment where every child facing
mental health challenges feels supported, understood and valued,
whether formally in school or not.
4.08pm
(Lab)
My Lords, I join colleagues in thanking the noble Baroness, Lady
Bennett, for securing this debate. It is important and helpful to
discuss these matters.
Earlier this month, many organisations sought to raise the
profile of children’s mental health during Children’s Mental
Health Week. The charity Place2Be took the theme “My Voice
Matters” and used the opportunity to urge the Government to give
children and young people the support, tools and confidence that
they need—confidence to be proud of themselves but, more,
confidence to believe in themselves. I have always thought that
believing in oneself is the beginning of self-confidence. I have
known cases where a lack of confidence among young schoolchildren
in particular has been put down to shyness. It is thought of
simply as something that will pass in time, but it often hides
other problems. In quite a few cases, the underlying problem,
left unrecognised, can lead to many crises in later life.
This is why mental health support should start early on in a
child’s life, at school. For so many children, school is the
first time in their lives that they have been apart from the home
and family environment, and the first time that they have spent a
whole day with other children and adults who they do not know. A
quarter of a million children in the UK are believed to have
mental health problems. We face a major challenge in ensuring
that they receive the support needed to enjoy the quality of life
that those of us in this Chamber would take for granted.
Many are denied help by a National Health Service that is
struggling to manage surging caseloads against a backdrop of a
crisis in child mental health. Some health trusts in our country
are failing to offer treatment to up to 60% of those referred by
GPs. Health service figures released last November show that one
in five children and young people in England have a probable
mental health condition. Surely the time to begin supporting
these young people is when they begin at school.
Let me take one area of concern: speech and language. I have some
experience with families with children whose lack of speech is a
cause for concern. The charity Speech and Language UK tells me
that a child with speech and language problems is twice as likely
as their peers to have mental health problems. Why is this? Well,
its research shows that there may be anxiety or frustration
caused by not understanding what people are saying or not being
understood themselves. That can sometimes be the case with
children with autism—as I know as a vice-president of the
National Autistic Society, together with my noble friend . They may struggle socially
at nursery and consequently have low self-esteem. They may have
difficulty with thinking things through and working out what
might happen and do not understand the consequences and
implications of their actions. They might feel socially isolated
because of their poor communication skills. Their difficulties
with language and communication might not have been recognised,
so they may not be getting the help and support that they
need.
The best thing we can do to help is to make sure that these
problems are recognised early and that the proper help is in
place. That means that teachers and early years practitioners
should receive training on how to help a child develop their
talking and understanding of words—this is pretty basic. This
will also help identify a child who is struggling. They should
also know where to refer them for further support and diagnosis.
It is no good discovering something and not knowing how to get it
treated and supported. Schools need to be able to measure and
track children’s talking and understanding of words in the same
way that we do with literacy and numeracy. We need a free tool
that can be used at the start of key stages 1 and 2 by class
teachers so that they can spot a child who is struggling.
Currently, schools must pay to do this.
Teachers need to know what is available to help children with
speech and language challenges. We need guidance about what
evidence-based tools and interventions work best and which might
be most appropriate in each school. There also needs to be better
recognition by child and adolescent mental health services of the
high proportion of children with mental health problems who have
speech and language challenges. Staff need to be trained on how
to help children struggling with their mental health and find out
what works best for them.
My noble friend Lady Morris of Yardley and the noble Earl, Lord
Russell, spoke about mental health support teams. The Children’s
Commissioner for England, Dame Rachel de Souza, has called for
every school to have a mental health team in place by 2025.
Perhaps in responding, the Minister might be able to tell us
whether the Government are working towards that and agree with
it.
I appreciate that I have covered a fair number of points here,
and I will be more than content if the Minister, having had time
to reflect, would like to write to me. I end by asking her
whether she might also consider meeting Speech and Language UK,
the charity that I have spoken about. Together, they might help
us find some of the solutions to the problems that we are
facing.
4.14pm
The Lord
My Lords, I too am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett
of Manor Castle, for sponsoring this debate on a matter of great
importance for the future life of our nation, and for the
challenging sensitivity to the issues that she laid out for us in
her introduction.
Church of England schools now educate just over 1 million
children—around 20% of the country’s education provision. The
Church’s current Vision for Education, published in 2016, is for
an education system that promotes
“life in all its fullness”,
a phrase used by Jesus Christ in St John’s Gospel, and invites a
wholistic approach to education, considering the material,
cultural, social and spiritual dimensions of human existence and
the wisdom with which we use the gifts God has given us.
In the diocese of Chichester, where I serve, our schools serve
the many coastal towns of Sussex, with their distinctive blend of
tourism and deep deprivation, as well as extensive rural areas,
where small village schools play a vital role in the way that the
noble Baroness, Lady Morris, identified. We in Chichester will
not be alone in forging partnerships in our Church schools with
NHS mental health support teams. I pay tribute to their
importance. It has enabled us to develop home-school-church
networks, building vital work where the life of school and the
life of home interact. It also makes it possible to find better
ways to support children who suffer with their mental health.
This NHS partnership has also opened up another partnership
through a diocesan multi-academy trust that is working with the
University of Sussex to assess the impact of the Covid pandemic.
Among the things emerging from that are questions about the
impact that working from home might be having on children’s
attendance at school. It also looks at the impact of social
media, which expanded for many children during lockdown, and asks
questions about the extent to which cell phone use, for example,
now might need to be more carefully restricted in schools.
I will also refer to the independent education sector, which is
well represented in Sussex. It faces many of the same challenges
among the pupil body but often with greater resources for meeting
them. I wish to draw attention to just one aspect of this, since
it indicates, as has been stated, a loss from the maintained
sector: the need for arts provision, especially music, as a
non-word-based medium that makes articulation of their deepest
feelings much easier for children who might struggle with words.
This can be especially true for pupils who experience the trauma
of violence and abuse, as it can be for neurodiverse pupils,
those with learning difficulties, or those for whom English is
not their first language. The noble Baroness, Lady Bull, outlined
these important points in greater detail in her comments.
This is something that Brighton College has developed remarkably
well. It has used it as a way to welcome Ukrainian refugees into
its life and to forge a strong partnership with schools in the
East End of London. The model speaks to us about something that
has been done and shown to be of enormous value, which surely
also belongs to the right of all children as part of their school
experience, especially those children with special needs.
Reference to the importance of wider influences that contribute
to the educational life of young people is also evident in a
recent study undertaken by the University of Leeds, which
indicates that when fathers engage in
“multiple types of structured activities several times a
week”,
it
“helps to enrich a child’s cognitive and language
development”.
This raises important questions about the role of fathers in
parenting, and about their absence—physically, emotionally,
economically—and the subconscious impact it might have on their
children. From a government perspective, might this suggest that
it would be worth giving attention to the gender balance of the
teaching profession and encouraging an increase in male teachers,
especially in the primary school sector?
These observations indicate the intensity of the context in which
education is delivered by a remarkably dedicated profession of
teachers and classroom assistants, who face complex human needs
that have to be addressed before other aspects of learning can
take place. Sustaining that profession, with adequate resources
through the recruitment of people of high calibre, remuneration
that is commensurate with the skills we expect of them, and
public recognition of their important work, is surely one of the
best contributions the Government can make to the mental,
intellectual and spiritual well-being of our children and young
people in their schools.
4.19pm
(CB)
My Lords, I join the chorus of thanks to the noble Baroness, Lady
Bennett of Manor Castle, for tabling this debate; I pay tribute
to her boundless energy. I would love to have the opportunity to
show her around the school where I teach as well, because we have
a very high standard of discipline and I did not recognise the
institutional bullying that seems to go on. On that point, I must
as ever declare my interest as a secondary school teacher in a
state school in London. It is always an honour to follow the
right reverend Prelate the , with his very
thoughtful ideas.
There is no point in talking about the role of schools if
children are not in schools. Some 1.8 million children are
persistently absent, as the noble Baroness, Lady Morris of
Yardley, said. For a lot, that is the only place where their
well-being is protected, and it is so important that we get them
in there.
The Royal College of GPs advises that
“mild or moderate anxiety, whilst sometimes difficult emotions,
can be a normal part of growing up for many children and young
people”.
We need to get them back. Mild anxiety becomes anxiety. Nobody
wants to go to school on a Monday morning. That leads to bigger
things. I would be very interested to hear what the Government
are doing, rather than being fairly punitive with parents and
schools, about engaging students and getting them back in.
Anybody is better off in a school. School is where you can triage
students; they can be sent towards CAMHS or MHSTs, whether or not
they have been previously diagnosed. These all need to be funded
properly. I have talked before about the playground; teachers are
very good at spotting things, whether that is bullying or changes
in behaviour. Again, they can triage and get the professionals
in.
Children are social animals. They need school, which is where
they build up all these techniques to get them through life. We
need them back. SEN needs to be dealt with; again, that is dealt
with at school. In a bedroom, it is very difficult to spot a
symptom.
There are also external influences we need to look at. The very
good charity Tom’s Trust provides mental health, well-being and
psychological support for 536 children with brain tumours and
their families—about 1,600 people. Children at school might have
a very sick sibling; it might be invisible. I declare an interest
in that the founder of Tom’s Trust, Debs Mitchell, is a great
friend of mine.
We underestimate all this, but schools can obviously do more as
well. The curriculum needs to change; how many times have I stood
up and said this in my short career here? The House of Lords
Education for 11-16 Year Olds Committee published its final
report in December 2023, with many excellent recommendations,
pretty much all of which the Government have just rejected. The
noble Lord, , the chairman of the
committee, said in yesterday’s Times that:
“This government’s attempt to recreate a 1950s curriculum is of
little help to many disadvantaged schoolchildren”.
As many people here have said, we need more fun in schools. We
need schools to be places where children want to go and teachers
want to teach. We blame the Victorians for a lot of things—this
beautiful building is not one of them—but we have this Victorian
idea that education should be a grind; that medicine should taste
horrible; that food is just to sustain you. School should be
fun.
I will talk about something that I know the Minister will approve
of—sport. Nobody has talked about sport. We need two hours-plus
of team games for every student every week. There is nothing like
getting muddy, bloody and possibly violent to make you feel
better.
I adore swimming. Obviously, it is a difficult one. I defy
anybody to get into a pond, swim in cold water and remember the
problem they went in with in the first place. We have all talked
about singing. What could be better than a load of students in a
room singing together? The wonderful charity Young Enterprise has
a series of lessons aimed specifically at mental health and money
management called “Money on my Mind”, which should be on the
curriculum.
The school where I teach has reduced the number of GCSEs so that
students can take subjects such as art without having to take an
exam at the end or do coursework. They can do it just for fun,
which gives them more headspace. However, to do that we need
teachers who are confident and rested and feel valued. If their
mental health is good, they are confident and happy, and that
goes through all their relationships. We all know what happens to
relationships if you are tired and stressed.
We need a confidence reset for children. Dame Rachel de Souza was
quoted. I quote from her foreword to The Big Answer:
“If adults are to learn one thing from this report, it should be
as follows. This is not a ‘snowflake generation.’ It is a heroic
generation”.
We need them to know that.
4.26pm
(LD)
My Lords, I add my congratulations to the noble Baroness, Lady
Bennett, on securing this debate. We have had a number of debates
on children’s mental health in recent times, and the role of
school always features, but today’s debate challenges us to think
about the wider role of schools in relation to children’s
well-being and confronts the perennial question of the purpose of
education. Is it simply about academic attainment and preparation
for the world of work? Is it also about preparing young people
more widely for adulthood, including how they fulfil their
potential in all spheres of life, become full citizens in our
society and build healthy relationships? Is it also about
providing the skills to build their personal resilience and
emotional well-being to help deal with the knocks that life
inevitably brings?
The answer, of course, is a combination of those things, but not
everyone will agree on the precise mix. It might be trite to say
that growing up in the modern world feels more complicated, with
a whole new range of pitfalls to navigate, but I think it is
true. It is clear that young people face increasing pressures
from the academic environment, the growing influence of social
media and the online world, and the lasting impact of the
pandemic. I was struck by some research conducted for the Mental
Health Foundation which found that the advent of technology,
while offering unprecedented connectivity, also introduces new
stressors, as individuals battle with the constant pressure to
meet online standards and portray an idealised version of their
lives.
It is worth reminding ourselves that The Good Childhood Report
2023, which has already been referred to, focused on children and
young people’s experiences of school. Frankly, it did not make
for comfortable reading, with more children and young people
unhappy with school than with the other nine aspects of life they
were asked about. Primary and secondary schools have an important
role to play and have great potential to be a protective factor
for mental health, but sadly that is not how too many young
people feel about school. In a recent survey by Young Minds of
more than 14,000 young people, only 3% said educational settings
were a positive influence on their mental health, while 59% said
that school or college had affected them negatively in some way.
What is going on?
As we have heard already today, many schools have become heavily
focused on exam results, and pressure to do well in exams can be
overwhelming for some young people. Fundamentally, I believe that
a whole-school approach is needed which creates a school culture
and environment that has well-being at the core, where mental
health and well-being are promoted and protected and which
includes all pupils, students, teachers and staff members. In my
experience, this happens only when the leadership of the school
is actively engaged in and championing this work. It means
ensuring that every adult who interacts with a child has the
knowledge, understanding and wherewithal to support the child. Of
course, parents and carers play a key role in teaching children
and young people how to understand and manage their feelings as
they grow up, and I would like to see more support in this
area.
We know that staff in school are often the first point of contact
for a young person struggling with their mental health; hence,
they need to be provided with knowledge and understanding around
behaviour and mental health and how to identify when a child is
struggling. An independent study from NatCen on adolescent mental
health and educational attainment observed a strong association
between mental health difficulties between the ages of 11 and 14
and later academic attainment at age 16. The study found that
children experiencing poor mental health are three times less
likely than their peers to pass five GSCEs. I am sure that most
schools understand this link, but it seems crucial that mental
health issues are not viewed as yet another problem issue that
they are forced to deal with. It is about creating the very
foundations for learning and academic success.
Furthermore, exclusion from school is strongly related to poor
mental health in children and young people, so we should be
concerned that the rates of exclusion from school have increased
in the last five years. I was interested to read in a recent
study that, on average, children who had experienced at least one
fixed-period exclusion in the year before attending counselling
lost significantly fewer school sessions to exclusion in the year
when they had counselling. That was from Place2Be, a charity that
operates in many schools, providing drop-in sessions, family work
and one-to-one counselling for those with more complex issues.
Its analysis of pupils receiving counselling indicates that
consistently poor mental health over time was associated with
higher levels of persistent absence, which we heard about
earlier, whereas improving or consistently good mental health was
often associated with lower levels of persistent absence. Its
findings also suggest that strengthening children’s engagement
with and enjoyment of school over time was associated with
reduced persistent absence. The same can be said about bullying
but I do not have time to go into that now.
Preventing mental health problems arising in the first place is
key. When support is available in schools in a non-stigmatising
format, young people benefit. Young people themselves have talked
about the need for safe spaces at school and safe conversations.
By intervening early, building resilience and nurturing a
positive understanding of emotions and well-being, we can ensure
that young people learn lifelong skills so that their problems do
not grow with them. That can be done through whole-class work,
lessons and the curriculum. Critically, it needs to start at
primary school age, to which we do not give enough attention.
Finally, I turn to mental health support teams. We have heard
quite a bit about them and I have always supported them but,
alongside many others, I have argued that the rollout should have
proceeded at a much faster pace. As we have heard, on the current
plans there is funding to achieve only 50% coverage of schools by
2025, leaving over half of schools, particularly primary schools,
uncovered, and pupils without the support they need. To be clear,
MHSTs are a welcome and important part of the jigsaw of mental
health support, but they go only so far.
I will have a lot more to say on the subject next Friday at the
Second Reading of my Private Member’s Bill, particularly my
concern about children urgently needing mental health support who
meet neither the mental health support teams’ “mild to moderate”
criteria nor the criteria of specialist CAMHS support, with its
very high access thresholds and extremely long waiting lists.
Noble Lords should watch this space.
4.33pm
The (Con)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett of Manor
Castle, for tabling this important debate.
We have been presented with some alarming statistics. One in five
eight to 16 year-olds has a probable mental disorder. There has
been a 53% increase in the number of children in mental health
crisis over the past four years. We understand that the
Government want to establish mental health support teams, which
will undoubtedly help, but I suggest that prevention is better
than cure. It should be possible to prevent manifold mental
health problems among our schoolchildren before they become major
issues. The foundation of that well-being is based on the four
pillars of the school education system, in this order of
priority: food education, physical education, financial education
and academic education.
I have intentionally left academic education as the last pillar
because being academically capable does not necessarily mean that
you will be happy and make a success of your life. However, being
well educated on key life decisions involving food choice,
physical health and financial matters will incrementally increase
your chances of a fulfilling life.
I am sure that many noble Lords are familiar with the phrase “gut
instinct”. The gut is our second brain. It uses the same
chemicals and cells as our main brain. Food changes our mind and
our mental health; there is a direct correlation between a
healthy diet and cognitive learning. Food education should
therefore be the cornerstone pillar of a decent school programme
to promote good mental health.
The beauty of this is that we already have a strategy in place
which works. Charities such as Chefs in Schools have a mission to
transform school food and food education and are training kitchen
teams to serve fine school lunches. The benefits to schools are
wide-ranging. The charity states that
“research shows great school food makes obesity fall, while
health, wellbeing and attainment increase”.
This is a tried and tested opportunity that is there for the
taking by the schools; all they need to do is reach out. For the
benefit of the register, I should say that I have no association
with this charity, but my beliefs and its aims are aligned.
When it comes to physical education, Sport England’s latest
survey estimated that only 47% of children and young people were
meeting the Chief Medical Officer’s guidelines of taking part in
sport and physical activity for an average of 60 minutes or more
every day. Sport and physical activity can change children’s
lives. It improves cognitive abilities, boosts concentration and
improves classroom conduct and behaviour—not to mention physical
and mental health, which in turn encourages their development as
community and family members. Physical exercise should be the
second pillar of their education.
Schools must involve parents and the community in this journey.
They need to understand the benefits of physical exercise if they
are to enforce home rules on limiting screen time and taking
exercise outside, as well as doing more physical exercise at
school. Teacher training is key. We have to help the teachers
themselves learn how to best promote an active lifestyle, make
physical education engaging and how to combine learning with
physical activity.
Children can benefit from physical exercise even before their
first class of the day. The central target in the Government’s
second cycling and walking investment strategy is that half of
urban journeys should be walked or cycled by 2030. Cycling to
school is a fantastic way for children to exercise and contribute
to those required 60 minutes per day. It can be a community event
involving both parents and classmates.
The third pillar is financial education. In a recent survey, 47%
of children from low-income families said that they worry about
their family’s finances, which is adding to their stress levels
and in turn presenting itself through challenging behaviours at
home and at school. Financial insecurity leads to anxiety, stress
and depression but financial education at an early age will help
to mitigate these risks.
I believe the recently issued guidance on mobile phones in
schools, which backs headteachers in prohibiting the use of
mobile phones throughout the school day, can play a key part in
caring for the mental health and well-being of schoolchildren.
The school environment should be a place for the learning of the
four pillars, as I have outlined, and for face-to-face social
interaction—not mobile to mobile.
I therefore ask the Minister what the Government are doing to
educate both children and schoolteachers on how to cook, how to
eat well and how to make healthy food choices. What can the
Government do to work with charities such as Chefs in
Schools?
On physical education, what are the Government doing to involve
parents and the community in journeys? What teacher training is
taking place? Will the Government commit to revisiting the
decision to cut funding for walking and cycling schemes as part
of the cycling and walking investment strategy? With financial
education, how will the Government make this a cornerstone of a
school education?4.39pm
(Lab)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett of
Manor Castle, for her stimulating and challenging speech
introducing this interesting debate. I also thank the House
Library and the several organisations that have provided most
helpful briefings, all pointing, regrettably, to the increasing
mental problems among children and young people. I will not
repeat the catalogue of problems that many others have
covered.
I was going to say that one issue that had not been
covered—although the noble Earl, Lord Effingham, now has—relates
to diet and its impact on children’s and young people’s mental
well-being. I am sure the Minister is not surprised that I am
raising this again. The significant issue, on which action still
needs to be taken, is the quality of school meals. My concern,
and that of many others, is that one of the factors that greatly
influences the conduct of children is sugar and the high
incidence of it now. In particular, in the view of many people,
there is an overly high incidence of sugar in school meals, which
is why some of us have been pressing, for quite some time, for
the long-overdue review of the regulations relating to school
meals to be undertaken. The last time I raised this, the Minister
said she would take it back to her department, and I am sure she
has done that. As she returns today from her department, I wonder
whether she is bringing some good news for us: that we will get a
review—the last one took place in 2014—under way in 2024.
If the Minister is not in a position to do that, I can tell her
that the new special Select Committee that has been established
in the House to look at diet and obesity met this morning for the
fourth time, to hear Henry Dimbleby give evidence. He of course
was the former UK government tsar at Defra, brought in by the
Government to help them with their problems with diet,
farming-related issues, food generally and obesity. He resigned,
somewhat disgusted with the Government’s unwillingness to
implement a number of the recommendations that he has been
pressing. Some of those related to children, school meals and the
growth of obesity among children.
It is not only child obesity that is worrying us now. As the
noble Earl, Lord Russell, mentioned—the noble Baroness, Lady
Bull, has spoken frequently on this—we now see an increasing
number of children with mental health problems relating to eating
disorders. There is considerable growth in that area, which is of
big concern and needs addressing. What is causing the growth in
mental health problems? Do we have more nowadays than previously?
That is debatable.
The causes—there are a variety—are debatable too but, without a
doubt, many of us would agree that social media had quite a
significant impact. This relates back to food, body image,
appearance, bullying and how younger people relate to each other
on social media, which is leading to mental health problems. I
believe that, behind an awful lot of the mental health problems
that we encounter with children, there is a fear of what they are
encountering in life—and a fear of climate change, which is
growing and worrying children. We have to do all we can to try to
address that.
There is a poverty of food in many areas in the country, but I
believe too that we have a poverty of spirit. This goes back to
resilience and self-reliance, but it is an important factor that
we have to see whether we are doing enough in schools to develop
that self-reliance. I was very heartened to hear of the work that
the noble Baroness, Lady Bull, described that she is undertaking,
and we look forward to the results of the experimentation that is
taking place in the north-east. I hope that it is successful.
To move away from that issue, I quickly recall that the noble
Lord, , helped and helped significantly with
regard to mental health by persuading the Government to introduce
talking therapies. Some 22,000 people are now employed on that
for adults. The noble Lord, , has done some recent work on
addiction, and maybe he should do some work with children, too.
We should look to see whether we can have a greater expansion at
school levels. I leave it now to my good friend and colleague to
speak with more authority about mental health than I can.
4.45pm
(CB)
My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, on an
excellent opening speech. I agree that our schools could do much
more to prepare pupils for the challenges of today.
I declare my interest as founder and chair of a small mental
health charity, Books Beyond Words, which I shall mention briefly
later. Before I became a Member of your Lordships’ House, I was a
clinical academic psychiatrist, specialising in child and
adolescent mental health as well as in learning disabilities. As
a community psychiatrist, I regularly went into schools—usually
special schools—to consult teachers and think with them about the
needs of their children. I agree that prevention is better than
waiting for a crisis.
Like other noble Lords, I have had briefings from a number of
mental health charities working in schools to improve children’s
mental health, including Young Minds and Speech and Language UK.
The briefings highlight that more than one-third of children and
young people with mental health needs also have special
educational needs, including speech and language
difficulties.
This week is Emotional Health Week, promoted by the Centre for
Emotional Health. Yesterday, its focus was on child development.
Research clearly shows the impact that our relationships and
emotional health in childhood—particularly in early childhood,
but throughout the school years as well—will have on our future
life chances. Last week the centre, in partnership with Demos,
launched a paper called Strong Foundations: Why Everyone Needs
Good Emotional Health- and How to Achieve It. It made several
recommendations, including that the Department for Education
should develop evidence-based guidance for schools and colleges
on how best to implement learning about emotional health—in other
words, what I call emotional literacy. This report included a
recognition of how picture books can support social and emotional
learning for children.
This resonates with me, as the founder and chair of Books Beyond
Words. The charity works with artists to create stories in
pictures about the everyday challenges that children face.
Recently, the charity has been working in a pilot group of
schools to see how word-free books can support the emotional
well-being of primary school children as well as young people
with special educational needs and improve teacher confidence in
talking about common mental health challenges. An independent
evaluation found a strong causal link between the creative
reading of word-free stories, usually in small groups, and pupil
progress towards improved emotional well-being, stronger peer
relationships and an ability to express a range of feelings.
Being able to recognise and express our feelings, such as
anxiety, frustration and stress, can reduce the distressed or
challenging behaviour that sometimes leads to the school
exclusions highlighted by Young Minds. Exclusions are not the
answer. Children with poor emotional health find it difficult to
learn and are reluctant to go to school.
Using pictures rather than words helps children of all ages and
abilities to engage with the topic and to express themselves.
They can identify their feelings, discuss coping strategies and
be empowered to speak up for themselves. After just one term of
using word-free books once a week, 95% of pupils made progress
towards being able to express and recognise a range of emotions.
Case studies showed that attendance improved, and they had better
than expected achievements in tests—all evidence of the
importance of good emotional health.
I suggest that schools have a crucial role in fostering a
nurturing environment and moving away from a punitive culture.
Children need to feel comfortable and safe at school. School
targets need to be more holistic. Ignoring well-being does not
lead to overall better outcomes. Schools need to adopt a
whole-school approach to mental health and well-being, which aims
to promote mental well-being and to intervene early when common
mental conditions present, such as depression, anxiety and
self-harm. A whole-school approach to mental health and
well-being is a cohesive and collaborative action in and by a
school community, strategically constructed with the school
leadership—that is really important; school leadership has to be
on board. There also needs to be an ethos that promotes respect
and diversity. The curriculum and teaching should help children
and young people to develop their resilience and support their
social and emotional learning.
We know that childhood is a period of extraordinary potential.
Get it right, and we are investing in the whole of society. We
know that adverse childhood experiences are key predictors of
poor physical and mental health and well-being throughout a
person’s life. We know that prevention is better than cure. I
consider that a child’s emotional well-being and mental health
cannot be considered in isolation from their school environment
and the culture within that school.
There is burnout among some school staff, recruitment and
retention issues and school staff reporting that they feel
unequipped to manage the mental health needs of their pupils.
There are high levels of persistent absence, and we know that
young people who are absent from school are more likely to have a
mental disorder; a punitive approach is therefore rarely the
answer to poor school attendance.
Let me tell your Lordships about Sarah. She started to struggle
with her mental health when she started secondary school. She was
involved in a car accident over the summer holidays and became
increasingly anxious about leaving her home. She had already been
finding school difficult and started missing days at school. When
she did manage to get to school, she was told off by teachers for
her poor attendance, which made it more difficult to attend.
Nobody asked her why it was so difficult to go to school. Her
anxiety got worse, as did her attendance. Then her parents were
asked to pay fines because of her poor attendance. She has now
been out of school for a year and remains on a waiting list for
CAMHS.
What are the solutions? I do not really have time to talk about
them, but I agree that schools need to be more fun. They also
need to be more real, addressing the things that really matter to
children and young people.
4.53pm
(Con)
My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to speak briefly in
the gap. I had put this debate in my diary but failed to put down
my name to speak—a schoolboy error for which I deserve extensive
detention. I declare my interest as an adviser to Common Sense
Media, a US not-for-profit that focuses on protecting kids from
the harms of the internet. I am also a trustee of its UK
charity.
I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, on calling this
excellent debate. I agreed with a huge amount of what she said.
There was a tantalising moment when she said that the classroom
remains a Victorian construct; I could not agree with her more—in
fact, it is a line that I trot out regularly at the kind of
London dinner parties that has taken randomly to be so disparaging about. I find
it astonishing—this is not to be rude in any shape or form our
educators and teachers—that the classroom structure has not moved
on for 150 years. There is a great debate to be had in this
Chamber at another time, calling on the huge expertise that
exists here, about how we reconstruct education; the purpose of
the classroom; the use of technology, paradoxically, to provide
personalised curriculums to allow children to proceed at their
own pace; and the role of exams. I am prepared to be as radical
as possible; I for one would, for example, abolish school
uniform. But that is a whole other debate.
I want to focus, in the short time I have, on two brief issues.
First, I heard my noble friend Lord Effingham mention the mobile
phone at the end of his speech: social media is the great issue
that our children now face inside and outside school; it is the
biggest impact on children’s well-being and mental health in the
last 10 years. A lot of it can be for the good, but we know that
children—girls far more than boys—are bombarded with content,
some of it inappropriate, and text messages, and this brings the
opportunity for bullying. Common Sense Media, for example,
provides a digital curriculum; we have constructed a partnership
with the NSPCC to promote that in schools. It is about educating
parents, but it is also about helping children become savvy
digital citizens, and, above all, helping teachers, who are
behind the curve, and their own pupils, on the use of technology.
This is an absolutely vital issue and should be front and centre
of our thinking.
The second issue I want to concentrate on, which was so ably
covered in detail by the noble Baroness, Lady Bull, who knows so
much about this subject, is the role of the arts and creativity
in our schools and education. I stand guilty as charged, as the
Arts Minister who could not save some of the creative programmes
that were set up by the previous Labour Government; they were the
most vulnerable when it came to having to reduce our budget. But
one scheme I was able to save, by working with the Department for
Education on music education, was the astonishing In Harmony
scheme, which is one of the most emotional things I have ever
been to. It is exactly what noble Lords are talking about; it is
not about learning music, it is about learning confidence. It was
about kids aged nine and 10 educating their own parents about
what they were learning and gaining enormous confidence from
performing like that.
I applaud the Government in focusing on the rigour of reading and
maths, and I accept that can be proud that we are moving
up the league tables in how well our kids are now reading and
doing in maths. Those are the building blocks of education and
success in life, but creativity is also a fantastic way of
building confidence and academic rigour, and, as I think the
noble Baroness, Lady Morris, said, it is a space to think. Above
all, it is a route for kids who are not suited necessarily to the
academic path to find a way forward. I was always a great sceptic
about free school meals, and I have done a complete volte-face on
that as well because, if you have kids in school from age five to
18, feeding them well and properly must be a no-brainer. Then
there is sport as well. My message is that it is called the soft
stuff but it is unbelievably important.
4.57pm
(LD)
I too want to thank the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, for
securing this important debate. The noble Lord, Lord Vaizey, will
be pleased to know that Everton ward, one of the most deprived
communities in Liverpool, is celebrating 10 years of In Harmony—I
have been invited—and it has been life-changing for some of those
young people.
I am changing what I was going to say. For starters, the noble
Lord, , ought to have been a primary
teacher—no two ways about it. It is only nine or 10 years ago
that I was the head of a three form-entry primary school in a
place called Knowsley, outside Liverpool, with 500 pupils from
one of the most deprived communities in the country. We had 96%
attendance, the children wanted to come to school, and they were
enthusiastic. We had science trails with parents, technology
days, and all the children, from year 3 to year 6, went away to
the Isle of Wight for either a weekend or a full week. Parents
did all sorts of things for the school, and raised huge amounts
of money. I look back and ask: what, sadly, went wrong?
By the way, this school had three Ofsted inspections, and we were
a good school for all three of them. The results were above the
national average; this is not me boasting—it was due to the
teachers and pupils of that school. I say to the noble Baroness,
Lady Bull, that we did not get an Artsmark—but we did get a gold
Artsmark. One of my very average teachers was doing a literacy
lesson when the Artsmark inspector came, so I was thinking, “Oh
no”, but then she came back and told me it was the best lesson
she had ever seen—that the teacher had done the literacy lesson
with percussion instruments. I thought, “Wow, I’ve underestimated
him”. He was brilliant and rose to the occasion. With all that
enthusiasm, the pupils wanted to learn and come into school; 97%
of our pupils went to the local secondary school and the links
were fantastic. It was not just my school—the five other primary
schools and the Church of England primary school all worked
together and the local authority gave us support when we were in
difficulty. We supported each other. I do not know why we have
lost all that.
Several noble Lords have talked about the alarming mental health
statistics for our children and young people. Two sets of
statistics have not been mentioned. First, terribly sadly, the
numbers of young people taking their own lives, the numbers of
young people self-harming and the numbers of young people with
eating disorders are all increasing every year. Secondly—of all
the statistics we have mentioned, this really concerns me—10% of
children aged five to 16 are clinically diagnosed as having
mental health problems, but 70% of them had not had appropriate
interventions at a sufficiently early age. Had we intervened as
early as we could have done and had the support mechanisms there,
we might have prevented some of the problems we face further down
the line. It is a bit like the discussions we used to have about
special educational needs; if we can diagnose autism or dyslexia
at an early stage then we can intervene and do something about
it, and the same should be true of mental health.
I am sure the Minister will tell us about the resources the
Government are spending on mental health, which are to be
welcomed and applauded, but we face a mental health emergency and
there is a huge hole in the current provision. Last year, fewer
than half—44%—of the 1.5 million children who needed additional
support had not received a CAMHS appointment. A report conducted
last year by the Children’s Commissioner found that the average
waiting time in England between referral and the start of
treatment is the highest it has been for two years. Some 35% of
those classified as having high psychological distress say that
they have not received the support they sought and Barnardo’s
points out that children with moderate mental health issues are
falling through the gaps, as they are considered too acute for
intervention from mental health services but do not meet the
threshold for CAMHS, as my noble friend Lady Tyler said.
Schools have been helping children and young people with mental
health problems through online tutoring, particularly those with
special educational needs, some of those in alternative provision
and those who are home-educated. That scheme will come to an end
this summer, with its £200 million not going back into education
but being returned to the Treasury. That is a lost opportunity. I
know that the tutoring programme was brought in during Covid, but
it was immensely successful and has helped huge numbers of
children, particularly those in deprived communities. Will the
Minister look at how we can keep that programme? It is no answer
to say that it can be provided from the pupil premium; that is
already overstretched and in many schools some of that money is
used for mental health support.
What should we do in this mental health emergency? My noble
friend Lord Russell told the House what we would do: we would put
a statutory duty on every state-funded school to make provision
for an education mental health practitioner or a school
counsellor. A mental health practitioner means a person with a
graduate- or postgraduate-level qualification accredited by
Health Education England. For schools with 100 or fewer pupils,
the duty may be satisfied by a collaborative provision between
schools.
We also need urgent financing, training and provision for CAMHS
staff, and indeed for school support, whether it comes from the
school psychological service or from speech therapists. Children
with speech and language challenges are twice as likely to have
difficulties with mental health.
I am sure that many colleagues will have received numerous
briefings from charities and professional bodies, and I thank
them. I was particularly taken with the Mental Health Foundation,
which had a very pupil-focused approach, with clear, school-based
actions: school anti-bullying programmes; the whole-school
approach that the noble Baroness, Lady Hollins, mentioned;
targeted programmes; implementation of a trauma-informed
approach; supporting the most minoritised and marginalised
pupils; looking at comparable studies in other countries; and
learning from the experiences of young people themselves. There
was the remarkable quote from one young person:
“Despite the profound impact on individuals and communities,
mental health remains largely undervalued and shrouded in
silence”.
I end with a comment the Minister made in response to the Select
Committee report on the 11-16 curriculum. As was pointed out,
sadly, all those recommendations were rejected by the Government.
The noble Baroness, Lady Barran, said:
“Exams are a great leveller, whatever a pupil’s origin or level
of disadvantage”.
Exams may or may not be a great leveller, but they are also very
stressful. We have more tests and more exams for our children and
young people than any other country in the world. Perhaps our
target-driven schools need to be more focused on a child-centred
approach, which would certainly help with mental health
issues.
I end by repeating the quote from that young person:
“Despite the profound impact on individuals and communities,
mental health remains largely undervalued and shrouded in
silence”.
5.07pm
(Lab)
My Lords, this has been a truly interesting and varied debate. I
join others in congratulating the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett,
on securing it. There can be nothing more important in a child’s
development than ensuring that they have good mental and physical
health, not least in what many noble Lords have noted is a
complex and often confusing world.
Children need a healthy, caring, constructive, lively and varied
school environment, of the type to which the noble Baroness
referred in her opening remarks. As the noble Earl, Lord Russell,
said, good mental health is a prerequisite for learning. My noble
friend powerfully articulated the need
for children to have the confidence to succeed.
I also agree wholeheartedly with my noble friend Lady Morris that
academic education and mental health and well-being should not be
seen as being in competition with each other. I am very much in
the camp which believes that schools should prepare children for
life and work, and liked how my noble friend Lady Morris
articulated how this might be balanced in relation to exams, and
how people view exam success and failure.
I do not, however, think that this excludes fun or creativity. I
agree wholeheartedly with the noble Baroness, Lady Bull, on the
need for creative arts to be a key part of school life and the
lives of students. The right reverend Prelate the also spoke powerfully
to this point, as did the noble Baroness, Lady Hollins, on the
work of the charity, Books Beyond Words.
My noble friend Lady Blake did not speak in this debate, but I
understand she did great work as leader of Leeds City Council in
ensuring that all children had access to learning a musical
instrument. This is the type of thing that can enrich children’s
lives and make school life much more rewarding.
I found the contribution of the noble Earl, Lord Effingham, on
physical activity and food very compelling. Clearly, the quality
of food in school is an issue that my noble friend Lord Brooke
has campaigned on with vigour, not least on sugar, and will
continue to do so.
From what we have heard today, none of us can be in any doubt
that we have a huge mental health crisis among children and young
people. As the noble Lord, , also made clear, schools
have a very distinct role in identifying and triaging issues.
Schools and teachers do incredible work in a difficult
environment. Schools sometimes struggle to meet the needs of
their students, and teachers do not always have the support they
need, or the time or expertise to identify and deal with student
mental health issues. CAMHS cannot deal with the scale of the
demand, with unacceptable delays for treatment that risk an
individual’s mental health issues escalating.
I return to the point made by the noble Lord, , about the focus on fun. I
think that we all now want to visit his school, so he should
expect a queue for us to do that.
(LD)
He should change to being a primary teacher.
(Lab)
He does not have to become a primary school teacher; he can carry
on as he is.
The noble Earl, Lord Russell, mentioned the need for a
whole-school approach, as did others, but what we really need is
an understanding of how we get a better whole-system approach—I
would welcome the Minister’s thoughts on that. Surely, that is
what is needed to address the issue. There is a clear need for
the Government to drive forward and work much more on a
cross-departmental basis. The NHS, individual schools, charities
and local authorities cannot solve the child mental health crisis
alone. The noble Lord, , discussed the need for school
pathways to be made clearer and simpler for parents and children,
and I would be interested to hear the Minister’s reflection on
his point about the correlation with decisions that parents might
make on home schooling.
I will give a personal view of an amazing meeting I had this week
with a fabulous group of students from the Ark King Solomon
Academy near Edgware Road. It was a reminder of how a good school
can provide a truly nurturing environment. The students spoke to
me about the mental health provision in their school with their
vice-principal and the charity Place2Be, whose services the young
people had accessed. They told me that Covid had led to
isolation, that they needed more clubs and activity to improve
their well-being, and that PHSE could do so much more than it
does currently to help young people understand their mental
health and how to deal with any issues they might face. They also
said that their parents often did not know how to help, so the
parents also needed additional support to help deal with the
issue.
The provision that the students had accessed had given them a
sense of belonging and a trusted space. But they said that there
was a need for more provision, so that students did not have to
wait to access services. The students were hugely articulate in
how they spoke about their experience and the need for young
people to build resilience. I have no doubt that their school and
their parents are incredibly proud of them. After they met me,
they went to No. 10 to deliver a letter to the Prime Minister; I
would be very grateful if the Minister could ensure that it
reaches the right person for a response.
We cannot talk about the role of schools in mental health without
discussing the wider context. The scale of the problem was
mentioned by a number of noble Lords, including the noble Lord,
Lord Sterling, who noted that the rise means that, on average,
five children in a class of 30 are likely to have mental health
issues. He also noted the recruitment crisis in specialists.
The noble Baroness, Lady Tyler, asked what was probably the most
valid question of the whole debate: what is going on? In 2022,
1.4 million children were referred to CAMHS, with 270,000
children waiting longer than three months to begin treatment. The
Local Government Association has found that at least one in six
children and young people aged seven to 16 has a probable mental
health disorder, which increases to one in four for young people
aged 17 to 19. The Children’s Commissioner, who has been quoted
several times, has raised particular concerns around older
teenage girls; she found in her report last year that nearly two
in five of 16 to 17 year-old girls were unhappy with their mental
health. Things going wrong— such as when children and young
people do not get support in a timely way—can lead to forced
hospitalisation. In the worst cases, unresolved mental health
issues lead to self-harm and attempted or successful suicide, as
the noble Lord, , highlighted in his
remarks.
Children living in poverty, where parents separate or have a
financial crisis, or children whose own parents have poor mental
health or poor health, are even more likely to have poor mental
health themselves. As my noble friend said, children with speech and
language difficulties are twice as likely to have a mental health
issue than their peers—the noble Baroness, Lady Hollins, also
highlighted this point. This is also the case for children and
young people with a wide range of other special needs, physical
illness or disabilities.
Can the Minister say what the government view is on how provision
is currently tailored towards the needs of different groups of
children, and what more can be done to ensure that children and
young adults get access in a timely way? To tackle an issue of
this scale, you surely need a thorough understanding of what
needs to be addressed—and with apologies to the noble Lord, Lord
Vaizey, I do not think that policy should be made routinely at
London dinner parties.
Can the Minister clarify whether the Government intend to start
to routinely collect statistics on mental health provision in
schools, including the type of provision and therapy provided? As
the noble Earl, Lord Russell, said, this should include a
cross-referencing of this with other data, including absenteeism.
If not, can the Minister tell the House when the Government at
the very least intend to carry out a new survey, given that it is
almost a decade since the last one found that only 62% of schools
offered counselling services? However, I understand that that
figure has risen. Can the Minister provide information on how
many schools now have counselling services? Are the Government,
like Labour, committed to specialist mental health support for
children and young people in every school? Furthermore, can the
Government provide a demographic breakdown of the number of
children accessing mental health services in schools and through
CAMHS?
Finally, I acknowledge that I am clear that the Government know
that there is a problem. However, I do not feel that they have
yet managed to introduce a comprehensive solution—the proposed
ban on phones in schools is evidence of this. Many noble Lords
referenced social media and phones. However, many schools have
introduced this, and head teachers have noted that they cannot
control their use out of school. Having heard today’s debate,
what more is the Minister able to commit to the Government doing
to address this epidemic of mental health issues in children and
young people, both in and out of school, to ensure that our young
people get the support they need to thrive both socially and
academically through their childhoods to successful adult
lives?
5.17pm
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for
Education () (Con)
My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, on
securing this important debate and thank all noble Lords for
their contributions. I feel a long letter coming on, so I will do
my best to cover the points raised, but I feel pretty confident
that I will not get through all of them.
I felt very uncomfortable and was trying not to be defensive
while listening to the opening speech of the noble Baroness, Lady
Bennett, and the other speeches. What I heard from your Lordships
today is what I often hear going around the country, which is
that “My school, my children’s school, my grandchildren’s school
and the school I teach in are fantastic” but “the system is
broken”. “The system” is made up of all those brilliant schools,
with brilliant teachers and a heroic generation of children, and
I think at our peril do we have such a negative tone about our
education system and our schools, which are doing an amazing job
all around the country.
There are many reasons why they are doing so well, but I will
pick just on a few. The first is that this country has been the
first to really be led by the evidence of what works—not what we
think or feel might work but what the evidence actually shows
works in the country. All of us in this House know that it is a
great deal easier to write policy than it is to implement it
well, and the focus that has been placed on what actually works
in practice is absolutely critical. I encourage your Lordships to
look at the difference in what is happening in our schools in
England and those in Scotland and in Wales, and I think my case
rests.
We used evidence in relation to curriculum and extracurricular
activities, and in relation to pedagogy and behaviour. For those
noble Lords who question the importance of attainment, that in
itself is an incredibly important protective factor for our
children’s mental health. The noble Lord, , talked about a sense of music
and other cultural activities having been lost in our schools. As
your Lordships know—I mention it often at the Dispatch Box,
because it is true—every week I visit schools and I see what is
happening on the ground.
The noble Baroness talked about schools being forced into trusts.
The schools that go into trusts because they are sponsored
schools have failed the community of children that they are
serving and, for whatever reasons, therefore need support. I am
well aware that parents, children and staff are frequently
concerned at the time of transfer, but they should visit those
schools a year later. I went to a school in Liverpool and a year
to the day since they had been sponsored, I said to the children,
“Tell me what it was like a year ago. What’s the difference?” A
child said to me, “You wouldn’t have felt safe in the corridor,
Miss”. Our children need to feel safe, not only in the corridor.
She also talked about what mountains she was going to climb,
metaphorically, so it was not just about corridors.
I want to pick up on the sense of this very critical and
forbidding tone that your Lordships suggest that schools
apparently use in communicating with parents and children. Again,
I absolutely understand that there are times when enforcement is
important, but everything we are doing and everything that I see
in schools starts with support and encouragement to work out
where a child will thrive and flourish, and what their individual
strengths are that can be built on. I sense that the noble
Baroness, Lady Twycross, had the same sense when she met the
children from the Ark school the other day. I will do my very
best to ensure that they get a speedy response to their
letter.
The noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, the noble Earl, Lord Russell,
and the noble Lord, , talked about attendance. I
thank the noble Lord, , for underlining how
attendance is so important for the safety of our children. I urge
those noble Lords who are worried about the policy in relation to
fines: look at the guidance that we have produced for schools and
its emphasis on support. I urge them to talk to schools. Their
concern, when I talk to them, is about inconsistency in the
implementation of fines for non-attendance rather than the policy
itself.
I absolutely agree that mild anxiety becomes much greater anxiety
for the majority of children if they miss significant amounts of
school, so we are working incredibly hard on attendance. For the
most vulnerable children, we have extended our attendance mental
programme and we will have 32 attendance hubs, meaning that 2,000
schools will be helped to tackle persistent absence with that
peer-to-peer support. We are also doing a great deal of work
analysing the data around attendance. As I said in response to a
Question earlier this week, we are seeing green shoots in
relation to attendance this term, particularly in primary but
also in year 7 in secondary.
I always enjoy listening to the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, and
her reflections on education. We need to focus on what schools
can do and not ask them to do things they cannot do. The noble
Baroness talked about giving confidence back to children, but we
also need to make sure that teachers and school leaders feel
confident in their approach.
I turn to some of the wider issues in the debate. The noble
Baroness, Lady Twycross, anticipated well that I would
acknowledge that there has been a worrying rise in mental health
issues that need specialist support. Of course, teachers and
school staff are not mental health specialists. The noble
Baroness, Lady Morris, and the noble Earl, Lord Russell, referred
to the rollout of mental health support teams. We are extending
those teams to an estimated 44% of pupils and learners by the end
of this financial year and to at least 50% by the end of March
2025. To address the noble Earl’s question, our original plans
have been accelerated, but these are genuinely new and additional
staff, so it takes time to recruit and train them, but we see
this as an absolute priority.
This debate shows how crucial it is that we support schools. We
also recognise that they have a real role in creating a safe,
calm and supportive environment for pupils, where they want to
attend and where they are able to learn and flourish. That is
particularly important for the most vulnerable children. Here I
acknowledge the remarks of the noble Baronesses, Lady Tyler and
Lady Hollins, whom I thank for all the work she does,
particularly in relation to children with learning
difficulties.
Our schools’ role in promoting this environment and offering a
rich and varied experience that encourages the creativity that
your Lordships talked about, the activity and development,
through a broad and balanced curriculum, and a high-quality
enrichment offer, is incredibly important. Schools are and should
be places where children can experience joy—it does not say “fun”
in my speech, but I agree about fun—find good and respectful
communities, and have experiences that build their resilience and
sense of well-being.
The noble Baroness, Lady Twycross, asked how we can flex that to
make sure that it always reflects particular needs and individual
pupils. That is rooted in having a culture that watches out for
every child, every day, and makes sure that the relationships
that the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, talked about are in place,
so that children feel able to come forward and talk and teachers
can spot their needs.
Good behaviour is critical to ensuring a safe environment that
children will feel happy to go to. That is why the Government
have put such emphasis on high expectations of behaviour. Many of
your Lordships quoted the Children’s Commissioner and I know from
speaking to her that it is particularly children with special
educational needs and disabilities or children who are vulnerable
who need to feel safe in school. They thrive when they feel safe
in school. School leaders with whom I have talked emphasise that
it is not just in lessons but, crucially, in unstructured
time—when the noble Lord, , is standing by the edge of
the playground, spotting stuff—when children need to feel safe
and need to know absolutely what the expectations are of their
behaviour.
Also, on the point made by the noble Lord, , children need to feel that
they have a part in this and a sense of agency. The noble Lord
referred to the work of Place2Be, which I know well and admire
even more. That sense of pupil leadership councils and so on
contributing to the culture of a school, particularly around
behaviour, is extremely important. We have set those things out
in our behaviour guidance; established behaviour hubs, which are
supporting 750 schools; and introduced a behaviour and culture
national professional qualification for teachers.
A number of your Lordships, including my noble friends Lord
Sterling and , spoke about children with special
educational needs. They are right that we absolutely need to
emphasise earlier identification. We are working to reduce the
adversarial nature of the system and are putting in support for
school staff, integrating in the initial teacher training and the
early careers framework a much greater focus on special
educational needs and disabilities in teacher training. The noble
Lord, , spoke about speech and
language, which is an important area of focus and obviously one
of the priority areas for the practice guidance in the SEND
improvement plan. I would be delighted to meet with Speech and
Language UK.
My noble friend Lord Sterling and the noble Lord, , among others, spoke about
access to CAMHS. The young people’s mental health workforce has
increased by 46% since the NHS long-term plan started in 2019,
but I absolutely accept your Lordships’ reflections, and the
feedback I get when I talk to schools, that that may have
increased but schools still feel that it is a very hard service
to access.
I turn to enrichment. The department is committed to ensuring
that young people have access to great extracurricular
opportunities. The noble Baroness, Lady Bull, talked about the
importance of partnerships. She will know that we are testing
ways to increase local co-ordination of enrichment activities
across schools through our enrichment partnerships pilot, which
is a giant project between the Department for Education and DCMS.
That is in addition to our work with DCMS to make sure that
children get the most from the national youth guarantee, which
supports children to have access to regular out-of-school
activities. In particular, we are working together to offer the
Duke of Edinburgh’s Award to all mainstream secondary schools in
England by 2025, which perhaps offers some of the blood, sweat
and tears that the noble Lord, , referred to—hopefully no
violence, though.
The noble Baroness, Lady Bull, and the right reverend Prelate the
spoke about the
importance of cultural education, as did my noble friend Lord
Vaizey. That is obviously part of a rich school experience,
including wider arts, music and creative subjects. That is why we
are investing £115 million in cultural education up to 2025.
Turning to sport, I absolutely hear the importance that my noble
friend Lord Effingham and the noble Lord, , place on sport. We are going
to publish non-statutory guidance this spring, illustrating how
schools will be able to provide two hours of PE and equal access.
As someone who swam in very cold water this morning and tries to
every morning, I totally agree with the noble Lord about the
impact on one’s mood. It is hard to get out of cold water without
feeling better—unless you stay in too long, of course, but that
is for another debate.
The noble Lord, , raised the
importance of school food, as did my noble friend Lord Effingham.
I offer the noble Lord a meeting outside the Chamber to update
him on some of the work the department is doing on this. We now
include cooking and nutrition as part of the national curriculum
in design and technology, and it is mandatory in key stages 1 to
3. A new GCSE in food preparation and nutrition was introduced in
2016.
My noble friend asked what we are doing to support
home education. We remain committed to introducing statutory
local authority registers for children not in school, and a duty
for local authorities to provide support for home-educating
parents. I absolutely recognise some of the issues he raised
relating to children with special educational needs and
disabilities.
I will also just mention, in honour of her green genes, that, as
the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, knows, we are doing a great
deal in schools with our climate change and sustainability
strategy, which sets out a number of initiatives from early
years, through school and into college that are designed to get
children into nature and inspire them by spending time in nature,
giving them the tools to plan and develop climate action plans
for their school and their community, and then act on them. We
really believe that that connection with nature is so important
to their mental health.
I think your Lordships will have felt quite how strongly I feel
about how much our schools are doing to support our children and
their mental health. As your Lordships’ speeches underlined, no
single thing will address this problem. There is no silver
bullet, but that combination of engaging curricular and
extracurricular activities and making sure that we protect
avenues for student voice and agency will all contribute,
combined with having specialist well-being and mental health
support. That needs to be underpinned by a firm and supportive
behaviour policy where children feel safe and thrive, and where
teachers feel fulfilled.
The bit I really do agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett,
is on Yeats and lighting the fire. We do that through those
things and through the relationships that the noble Baroness,
Lady Morris, alluded to, but unlike the noble Baroness, Lady
Bennett, I think that is exactly what our schools are doing.
5.38pm
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My Lords, I thank the Minister and everyone who has taken part in
what has been a rich and deeply informative debate—I might even
say your Lordships’ House at its best. I think I have a couple of
minutes, so I want to respond and highlight some things that
particularly deserve to be highlighted.
I commend the noble Lord, , on his courage in raising the
issue of child suicide. It is very difficult to talk about and
very disturbing, but it is important that it was raised in the
debate. I thank him for that.
Slightly more lightly, I say to the noble Lord, Lord Vaizey: no
detention, I do not think. I am delighted to hear from the
Benches opposite such a radical idea of how we need to get away
from Victorian schooling.
I want particularly to address the noble Lord, , to accept his invitation—I
believe I should be at the front of the queue, given it is
clearly a long one—and perhaps to apologise. Maybe my speech did
not make it clear enough that I was talking about what is
happening in a significant number of schools but by no means all
of them, and about the direction of policy and ideology that is
being pushed towards schools. I mention, for example, Space
Studio West London, which I visited with Learn with the Lords. It
struck me, from my two-hour visit, as a very inclusive, welcoming
and caring school that has really strong approaches. I have no
doubt that they exist, but I feel that they are having to run
against the tide, rather than being supported in the way that
they should be.
I will now pick up some points from the Minister. She said that
the department is operating on the basis of evidence of what
works. But today, when we are talking about mental health, the
figures cited by the noble Baroness, Lady Tyler, about children’s
experience of schools and how they feel about them were deeply
shocking. That is evidence and it really needs to be taken into
account.
On schools being forced into trusts, Ofsted is a whole other
debate. Very importantly, after what the Minister said about the
tone of dealing with parents, we heard testimony from all around
your Lordships’ House, particularly from the noble Lord, . He said there needs to be an
approach of collaboration rather than confrontation, and that
targets for school attendance often mean being pushed to not act
in children’s best interests. Those important testimonies from
experience really need to be listened to.
The noble Baroness, Lady Bull, joined the right reverend Prelate
and others in talking about the importance of the arts and music.
The noble Baroness gave her classic virtuoso performance; I
particularly liked the reference to how that is related to civic
behaviours —voting and volunteering et cetera, and the
relationship of that to cultural education. On food—one of my
favourite things—we did not actually get the word microbiome in
there, but I thank all noble Lords who brought that up. It is a
crucial issue.
I want to finish by referencing two speeches. The first is that
of the noble Baroness, Lady Morris of Yardley. It was an
important and obviously very well-informed speech. The word I
kept hearing again and again was “pressure”—the pressure coming
from exams. I think that feeling has been reflected right around
your Lordships’ House; that is how schools are suffering. There
is also the way in which schools are not embedded in communities
in the same way they used to be, while having to compete against
each other. I think the noble Lord, , talked about co-operation and
the importance of schools working as a network—not being set
against each other in league tables, but working together.
Finally, I go to the words of the noble Baroness, Lady Hollins,
who of course brings no party axe to grind to your Lordships’
House; she brings absolutely expert experience. She summed up a
lot of the debate, from all sides of the House, in saying that
children need to feel safe in school, that ignoring well-being
does not lead to better outcomes and that we need to address the
things that really matter. That is the message to finish this
debate with; it really needs to be listened to by all sides of
your Lordships’ House.
Motion agreed.
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