Clause 1 Interpretation Question proposed, That the clause stand
part of the Bill. The Chair With this it will be convenient to
consider clauses 2 to 6 stand part. Siobhan Baillie (Stroud) (Con)
It is an honour to serve under your chairmanship, Ms Bardell. I am
grateful to you and to all the Committee members for joining me to
look at the Bill in more detail. This Bill is dry and technical,
but it is important to say that child maintenance has a...Request free trial
Clause 1
Interpretation
Question proposed, That the clause stand part of the Bill.
The Chair
With this it will be convenient to consider clauses 2 to 6 stand
part.
(Stroud) (Con)
It is an honour to serve under your chairmanship, Ms Bardell. I
am grateful to you and to all the Committee members for joining
me to look at the Bill in more detail.
This Bill is dry and technical, but it is important to say that
child maintenance has a massive impact on the families who are
reliant on it. All of us as constituency MPs will have cases
coming across our desks and, as a family law solicitor, I know
that the issues go far beyond ensuring that child maintenance
gets to children and helping in situations of poverty. They can
also sometimes affect whether children see their parents, because
issues with child maintenance can have an impact on prolonging
the conflict between parents and on other difficulties.
I am thankful to the Department, which is working so hard on
child maintenance and on the Child Maintenance Service, and to my
hon. Friend the Member for East Surrey () who sponsored the Bill
before she was made up to be a Minister. It is incumbent on all
of us in this place to fix any problems that we see.
The Bill will enable a more efficient process to enforce unpaid
child maintenance. It has only six clauses, but I am sure all
hon. Members will recognise the Bill’s importance, as it will
help to get much-needed money to children more quickly. Before
going into more detail, however, I will recap briefly how the CMS
works, just in case any hon. Members present whom I have pulled
in to help in Committee are unaware.
The purpose of the CMS is to facilitate the payment of child
maintenance between separated parents who are unable to reach
their own agreement following a separation. That is an incredibly
challenging job, done in difficult circumstances. Once parents
are in the CMS system, it manages child maintenance cases through
one of two service types: direct pay or collect and pay.
For direct pay, the CMS provides a calculation and a payment
schedule, but payments are arranged privately between the two
parents. That is by far the most favourable way to proceed. Where
necessary, for collect and pay, the CMS calculates how much child
maintenance should be paid, collects the money from the paying
parent, and pays it to the receiving parent. Cases in collect and
pay tend to involve parents where a more collaborative
arrangement has either failed or not been possible to achieve, or
there are high levels of conflict. Paying parents on collect and
pay are therefore considered to be less likely to meet their
payment responsibilities.
The difference child maintenance payments make to children’s
lives is critical. I defer to charities such as Gingerbread,
which does so much for single parents, mothers in particular. The
Child Maintenance Service takes action to tackle payment
breakdowns at the earliest opportunity, to re-establish
compliance and to collect unpaid amounts that have accrued. Where
compliance is not achieved and the parent is employed, the CMS
will attempt to deduct the maintenance, including any arrears
where appropriate, directly from their earnings. Employers are
obliged by law to co-operate with such action.
Enforcement powers also allow for deductions to be taken directly
from bank accounts, including joint and business accounts, either
as a lump sum or a regular amount. That is a useful power where
the parent is self-employed and deducting from their earnings is
not possible. All the time, we still meet parents who do not know
that the system is available or do not know its reach—that when
their ex is self-employed, they can still have help.
Where such powers prove to be inappropriate or ineffective, under
current legislation the Child Maintenance Service must apply to
the magistrates or sheriff courts to obtain a liability order
before the use of other enforcement powers, such as instructing
enforcement agents or sheriff officers, or even more stringent
court-based enforcement actions such as forcing the sale of a
property, disqualification from driving or holding a UK passport,
or commitment to prison. The Bill will amend uncommenced primary
legislation to enable the DWP to take further enforcement action
without the need to apply to the magistrates or sheriff courts,
instead allowing the Secretary of State to make an administrative
liability order.
This power, once enacted, will allow enforcement measures to be
used more quickly against parents who have failed to meet their
obligation. At the moment, to even get a liability order is
taking about 20 weeks, and we all know that the courts are under
increasing pressure, particularly post covid, so we will try to
remove that step.
Let me turn to the specifics of the Bill. Clause 1 gives an
interpretation of the primary legislation being amended by the
Bill and defines the Child Support Act 1991 as “the 1991 Act” and
the Child Maintenance and Other Payments Act 2008 as “the 2008
Act”. Clause 2 makes provision for the Secretary of State to make
a liability order where the paying parent has failed to pay an
amount of child maintenance and a deduction from earnings order
is either inappropriate or has been ineffective. The clause
provides an assurance that administrative enforcement measures
will be appropriately considered before more stringent measures
are taken.
Clause 3 expands the power to make administrative liability
orders by setting out in regulations provision for the variation
of a liability order—for example, where the amount of arrears
upon which the liability order is based is subsequently amended
as more information about the paying parent’s income is obtained.
That works both ways. Sometimes the responding and paying parent
needs to say, “I’m not earning as much as you think I am. I need
to make a change.” Equally, the other parent may say, “Actually,
he or she has more cash than they’re claiming”, so the clause is
important.
Clause 4 gives the Secretary of State the power to set out in
regulations provisions that relate to a parent’s right of appeal
against a liability order. Those provisions will include the
paying parent’s right of appeal to a court, the period within
which the right of appeal may be exercised, the powers of the
court in respect of those appeals, and for a liability order not
to come into force in specified circumstances.
As with liability orders issued under current legislative
provisions, in the event that a paying parent does appeal, the
court will not be able to question the child maintenance
calculation itself. Appeals about the maintenance calculation are
dealt with via the appeals tribunal. A paying parent can ask the
CMS to reconsider any calculation within 30 days of the
calculation decision being made, through the mandatory
reconsideration process. They can also report a change of
circumstances that could lead to their calculation being amended
at any time. It is therefore right for the role of the court when
considering a liability order to be, as now, to satisfy itself
that the debt is properly owed, and owed by the individual named
in the order.
The provisions in clause 4 will prevent court time from being
used to consider day-to-day CMS business that can be completed
operationally—again, speeding things up—and it aims to strike a
balance between giving a paying parent a reasonable window to
appeal and the CMS moving swiftly to enforcement measures. The
provisions will therefore not place any additional or
unreasonable constraints on a parent’s ability to seek an appeal.
I have acted for a number of fathers who came to me in a complete
pickle, particularly in the old Child Support Agency days,
because the calculations were wrong or allegations were made
about their income. It is very important that a paying parent has
the right to appeal. My dad had quite a lot to say about his own
child maintenance payments when we were growing up—don’t get him
started on that!
Clause 5 sets out minor and consequential amendments. Finally,
clause 6 sets out standard but crucial information covering the
extent, commencement and short title of the Bill, which will
bring it into force.
I want to say a few words about the devolved Administrations, as
it is important that we think through these issues. Primary child
maintenance legislation is a reserved matter in Great Britain,
but it is devolved in Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland has
traditionally maintained parity with Great Britain by mirroring
our child maintenance legislation. In respect of administrative
liability orders, Northern Ireland has similar uncommenced
provisions to those in Great Britain that it plans to commence,
thereby enabling it to use and enforce administrative liability
orders, so we are expecting Northern Ireland to get there.
However, with the Northern Ireland Assembly suspended, it is not
possible for Northern Ireland to match the changes that we are
making through the Bill today, but it intends to do so as soon as
it is able.
In Scotland, child maintenance is reserved but the judicial
system is devolved. As such, the Scottish Government are engaged
on the impact of the Bill in Scotland and exactly how its
provisions will work in the Scottish court system.
The Bill is of great importance to ensuring that the Child
Maintenance Service can make the necessary improvements to
enforcement processes and get money to children more quickly. We
are fortunate to have cross-party support, and I am grateful to
the Government for backing the Bill and seeing the value in
making these changes. We must ensure that when someone asks for
help through CMS, they get help quickly and in a way that makes
them feel supported. We must also ensure that parents who are
messing about know that there will be sanctions and action
against them, thereby providing a deterrent to other parents. I
am grateful to the Minister and will be happy to hear from her
today.
(Hampstead and Kilburn)
(Lab)
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Ms Bardell.
Let me start by congratulating the hon. Member for Stroud on
securing cross-party support for this important Bill. Members may
want to know that this is not the first time that she has
campaigned on this topic; she campaigned on related issues even
when she was a local councillor in my patch. I did not vote for
her, but I recognise that she was a very good councillor and she
has a long history of campaigning on issues relating to support
for children.
Last year’s report by the Public Accounts Committee concluded
that in the 10 years since the Child Support Agency was replaced
by the Child Maintenance Service, there had been no improvement
in the system for parents, children and families. The Committee’s
shocking report found that around half of children in separated
families—1.8 million children—receive no support at all from
their non-resident parent, and that enforcement is just too slow
to be effective, as the hon. Member outlined. That is a serious
failing in the child support system, and we all know that it is
often mothers who pay the price.
A mother in my constituency of Hampstead and Kilburn wrote to me
to explain that her child’s father had not paid child support for
three years. She had contacted the Child Maintenance Service on
numerous occasions, but for three years there was simply no
progression in her case at all. Eventually, she came to see me.
Members across the Committee will know that our constituents come
to see us in our surgeries as the last resort, having gone
through everything else. I applied significant pressure as her MP
and, in the end, the Child Maintenance Service launched an
investigation. But it should not have come to that; it should not
have been so difficult for my constituent in the first place.
Sadly, as I am sure Members across the Committee will know, that
experience is far from uncommon. It has probably happened to
everyone’s constituents at some point. Mothers and children
across the country are missing out on the payments that they so
desperately need to get by.
The implications for child poverty are particularly concerning.
The Nuffield Foundation—a social mobility charity—estimates that
as many as one in five single parents on benefits are lifted out
of poverty by receiving child maintenance payments. That is to
say nothing about the severe impact that non-payment of child
maintenance can have on the mental health of children and
families. That is why the Bill is so important to me and people
across this country. It is completely right that absent parents
honour their full child maintenance payments. When they fail to
do so, there must be adequate enforcement to force them to pay,
so that people’s lives are made easier.
Before I conclude, I have one question for the Minister.
Enforcement action was significantly affected by the national
lockdowns. Child Maintenance Service staff were redeployed to
manage the surge in universal credit claims, and the courts were
closed. But the number of enforcement agency referrals now in
process is still less than half the figure before the pandemic.
Can the Minister give me some information about what the
Government are doing to address the backlog?
I fully support the Bill. I hope that it is successful and that
it forms part of a wider strategy to ensure that the child
maintenance system is fit for the 21st century.
(Rutherglen and Hamilton
West) (Ind)
I sincerely thank the hon. Member for Stroud for bringing forward
the Bill. As she has explained, the territorial extent and
application applies to England, Wales and Scotland, as it is a
reserved issue.
I would like to briefly express my wholehearted support for the
Bill. Most of us will have seen, through our casework, just how
frustrating CMS cases can be, particularly when the paying parent
does not uphold their financial responsibilities. I am dealing
with a number of such cases at the moment.
I put on record my thanks to the hon. Member for Caithness,
Sutherland and Easter Ross for setting up the child maintenance
services all-party parliamentary group, of which I am a Member.
We will continue to have meetings of that APPG, and hopefully
push our casework forwards.
The changes that this Bill will make to enable the CMS to take
stronger action in serious cases are very necessary. Many
parents, survivors of domestic or economic abuse, have been
telling us for far too long that the system is weaponised by
their ex-partners to continue to perpetrate abuse. It is not
acceptable that it is so easy for abusers to deliberately delay
or frustrate payments.
Ultimately, the most important thing is that any changes benefit
the children at the heart of what can often be very difficult and
emotionally charged situations. I put on record again that I
believe that this Bill has the potential to do that, so I
congratulate the hon. Member for Stroud.
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Work and Pensions
()
That was very swift; I thank the hon. Member for Rutherglen and
Hamilton West. It is a great pleasure to serve under your
chairmanship, Ms Bardell. I thank hon. Members for joining us
this morning, and thank my hon. Friend the Member for Stroud, who
has made a brilliant contribution and covered the importance of
this Bill in great detail.
As highlighted by my hon. Friend and the hon. Member for
Hampstead and Kilburn, the Bill is vital for securing money for
children more quickly from those parents who fail or simply
refuse to give support to their own youngsters. Child maintenance
payments, as we have heard, can play an effective role in helping
to lift children out of poverty, and can help to enhance the life
outcomes of children in separated families.
I take this opportunity to say a few words about what the CMS is
doing more widely to improve its service—as we have heard from
the hon. Member for Hampstead and Kilburn—and ensure that it is
supporting our youngsters and protecting the most vulnerable
citizens. I would like to reiterate the work that we are doing,
and hopefully give some comfort in that regard, because I know
and understand that this is a matter of concern for many of us
who, as constituency MPs, receive complaints and concerns from
constituents who perhaps feel that they have not received the
level of support or service they believe they should from the
CMS.
As Members will know, until recently the day-to-day policy of the
Child Maintenance Service sat with my noble Friend in the other
place, . The Baroness was
truly strident in her desire for the CMS to be at its best and
worked to that end, and I know that that view is shared greatly
by my noble Friend , who has taken
over overall ministerial responsibility for policy on CMS, and I
am working strongly with him.
(Bootle) (Lab)
I congratulate the hon. Member for Stroud on bringing this
important Bill before us. I think the Minister will know that,
since the agency was set up 11 years ago, almost £500 million has
not been paid. That is 80% of the total accruals in deficit, in
effect. Will she bring forward in due course facts, statistics
and information to show how this Bill may be reducing that figure
as time goes by? It is important that we monitor that this Bill,
brought by the hon. Lady, is giving us information and showing
that action has been taken and that young children, and mainly
women, will benefit from it.
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that challenge and for making that
important point. I was about to say that I am working strongly on
the policy and its focus on supporting lone parents. I am happy
to write to Members and share what we believe the outcomes will
be. We will be looking strongly at this. The hon. Gentleman will
be aware that other Bills are in progress, and we are certainly
seeking to increase and strengthen the impact of the CMS. We know
how much it lifts youngsters out of poverty and, as we have heard
this morning, it matters greatly to families. That is an
important challenge, which I am happy to take up.
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Turning to wider matters, as my hon. Friend the Member for Stroud
has said, some parents will struggle to afford to pay. It is a
concern, however, that other parents willingly choose not to pay
what they owe, and therefore do not financially support their
children. To be frank, that is unacceptable. I am pleased to
report, though—and I hope that this will be of comfort to the
hon. Member for Bootle—that 64% of paying parents using the
collect and pay service paid some of their scheduled child
maintenance in the quarter ending September 2022. That is a
significant increase from the 60% in the quarter ending March
2018, which means that many more children are now better
supported by getting the money they need. My hon. Friend the
Member for Stroud spoke about the importance of having confidence
in the system, and those things really do matter.
Over the past 12 months, the CMS has arranged over £1 billion in
child maintenance payments. It is truly committed to delivering a
great service to support the highest standards. It is working
really hard to transform people’s experience by becoming a more
customer-focused, digital organisation, and making a number of
improvements to processes. That matters because customers can now
apply online. The majority of applications are now made
digitally, making it even easier for parents to access support
for their children. The upgraded online account, My Child
Maintenance Case, allows customers to access and maintain data
for themselves. An increasing number of changes of circumstances
can also be reported online, and automation means it is much
easier for most parents to manage their arrangement and, above
all, support their youngsters together.
The CMS has also made key changes, introducing a new service
called “Get help arranging child maintenance”. This digital
service is available 24/7, making it more accessible for
customers deciding what type of arrangement is most suitable for
them. These improvements deliver a more modern and efficient
service for the majority of customers. I will be working with
colleagues to ensure that caseworkers in our constituencies see
fewer of these complex problems as a result of this intervention.
I genuinely hope that that will be the case. Those parents using
the CMS are in a more complex situation, but we need to ensure
that the process supports youngsters and unpicks that complex
process.
On collections, the CMS has brought forward the point at which
deductions from bank accounts can be made. It is now making
better use of deductions from earnings orders so that they can be
set up much more quickly. The improvements have reduced the time
required to process those payments, which ultimately means that
the money gets to the youngsters quicker. That means more money,
quicker and faster, which is what this is all about.
Finally, Members may also be keen to understand the excellent
work being done by my hon. Friend the Member for Hastings and Rye
() alongside that of the
Department for Work and Pensions. She is ensuring that the
service works for anybody who has suffered any form of domestic
abuse and that they will feel safer and more assured that their
case will be handled sensitively and efficiently. Many Members
have expressed strong views regarding her Child Support
Collection (Domestic Abuse) Bill, in particular on the issue of
collection charges, and I understand their concerns. The hon.
Member for Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross recently raised
this with me in the Chamber. The changes introduced in the 2012
scheme, which included charging, have led to a substantial
increase in family-based arrangements, which we know are better
for children. However, we recognise that many parents whom the
Child Support Collection (Domestic Abuse) Bill aims to support
could be among the most vulnerable, so we need to make sure that
it works for them.
Given all these circumstances, alongside development of the
secondary legislation for the Child Support Collection (Domestic
Abuse) Bill, we will look at the charging structure for the use
of the collect and pay service and how this will interact with
the proposed changes for victims of domestic abuse in these
cases. That Bill has its Report and Third Reading on Friday, and
I invite my hon. Friends to join me then so that we can discuss
the Bill in more depth, because it links to the Bill we are
considering today.
Let me turn to the detail of the Child Support (Enforcement) Bill
and respond to some of the questions raised. The Bill will
deliver further improvements to the enforcement process. My hon.
Friend the Member for Stroud set out clearly the clauses, but I
will quickly recap the details. Clause 1 simply provides an
interpretation of the relevant primary legislation. The substance
of the Bill is contained in clauses 2 to 4, along with provisions
to make regulations, which will ensure that the powers are used
appropriately and provide parents with the opportunity to
challenge the decision if they think it is wrong. That is
important.
Clause 2 amends existing powers that, once commenced, will allow
the Secretary of State to make an administrative liability order
where the paying parent has failed to pay an amount of child
maintenance. However, they will only be able to do that where a
deduction from earnings order is either inappropriate or has been
ineffective. This will prevent unnecessary overuse of the power
in cases where there are more suitable alternatives.
Clause 3 expands the power by allowing the liability order to be
varied if, for example, the amount of arrears upon which the
liability order is based is subsequently found to have been
incorrect, when investigations reveal further details about a
paying parent’s finances.
Clause 4 gives the power to make provisions that relate to a
parent’s right of appeal against a liability order. Those
provisions will include the paying parent’s right of appeal to a
court, the period within which the right of appeal may be
exercised, the powers of the court in respect of those appeals,
and for a liability order not to come into force in specified
circumstances.
I would like to say a little more about clause 4, aspects of
which were highlighted on Second Reading by the hon. Member for
Reading East (). I know that wrote to him on this
point, but it would be helpful to reiterate this. The appeal
provisions sought through the Bill will be reflective of powers
already in use for other child maintenance enforcement measures,
such as those that allow for deductions of child maintenance
directly from a parent’s bank account. Clause 4 also reflects
current provisions for liability orders by preventing the court
from questioning the maintenance calculation. Where a parent
disagrees with the calculation, they can ask the CMS to
reconsider it through the mandatory reconsideration process or
report a change of circumstances that could lead to a new
calculation. It is right for the current role of the court when
considering a liability order to continue to be solely satisfied
itself that the debt is properly owed, and owed by the parent in
question.
Finally, clauses 5 and 6 relate to some minor consequential
amendments, as well as to the extent, commencement and short
title of the Bill.
Let me address a couple of the points made in the debate. The
hon. Member for Hampstead and Kilburn spoke about the importance
of enforcement and highlighted the impact on families of the
financial support. I absolutely agree with her. In 2021-22, we
made more referrals to enforcement agents than we had in any
other year, and the number of liability orders applied for each
year is now back to pre-pandemic levels. I hope that answers one
of the hon. Lady’s questions.
On the point about enforcement powers not being affective and why
they do not work, it is important to understand that decisions
are made on a case-by-case basis. We take into account the
welfare of all parties and the value for money of our
interventions. The Child Maintenance Service works strongly with
other Government Departments to improve the use of enforcement
powers and to explore the possibility of introducing new powers
for cases in which people are being wanton.
On the point about parents making their own private, family-based
arrangements where possible, perhaps without the need for state
intervention or involvement, as we heard from my hon. Friend the
Member for Stroud, that tends to be very important, but the CMS
has seen an increase in the number of statutory arrangements
since September 2021. The new online service can help people to
head that off before they get into a more problematic situation.
All parents can look at the new “Get help arranging child
maintenance” service before they apply to the CMS. Some parents
will decide that such an arrangement is not appropriate for them,
but the CMS remains available to support separated families if
they choose to apply and that is the right route for them. It is
not a one-size-fits-all, which I recognise as a lone parent
myself.
I thank Gingerbread for its submission. As I said, I am a lone
parent too, and I am grateful for Gingerbread’s insight and work
on this issue. We acknowledge Gingerbread’s briefing that
highlighted various matters for the Committee and welcome its
support for the Bill. The additional suggestions and points
raised will be looked at in due course. As I say, there is a
similar private Member’s Bill with a big focus on the CMS; I hope
that reassures Members that this is absolutely a work in progress
when it comes to enforcement strategy and, ultimately, making
sure that the service works for youngsters.
I hope that the improvements across all areas of the CMS service
that I have talked about today will help to reassure Members from
all parties that the CMS is fit for purpose and delivers a
modern, efficient and reliable service in which parents should
have confidence. As my hon. Friend the Member for Stroud said, we
need to make sure that people do not dismiss it and look to learn
more about how youngsters can be properly supported. The Bill
will play an important part in improving the situation and
getting money to more children to enhance their life outcomes if
they are in separated families. I commend the Bill to the
Committee and commend my hon. Friend again for her work on
it.
I thank the Minister for her remarks and support, and I thank all
Members present, particularly those I grabbed in various
different places in the Palace to ask to serve on the Committee.
I also thank the DWP officials and parliamentary officials for
their guidance and support, and I thank you, Ms Bardell, for your
excellent chairmanship.
The hon. Members for Hampstead and Kilburn and for Bootle were
right to express concerns about the record and arrears, as
highlighted in the National Audit Office report and by the Public
Accounts Committee. I serve on the Work and Pensions Committee
and we are investigating child maintenance. The Department and
the Minister know that I am incredibly concerned about that
because of the impact on families and children but, having met
the officials, I know that a lot of work is going on. The DWP is
given a hard time, but it is one Department—one arm of the
state—that has such a direct impact on children and families.
I thank the hon. Member for Rutherglen and Hamilton West and the
hon. Member for Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross, who does
an incredible job with the APPG.
Yesterday, I was talking to an academic—an incredibly eloquent
young woman—about family breakdown and the impact on women, and
the impact of family breakdown as a feminist issue, which we do
not often hear about. She said there has never been such a good
time in history to be a deadbeat dad. I winced at that, because I
know hundreds of fantastic dads and that there are millions of
fantastic dads all over the country. But unfortunately, we
discover in this work that the paying parents and the non-paying
parents are invariably fathers, and if we scratch off a lot of
that, a lot of absentee parents are fathers. We should not be shy
about having these conversations and recognising what the Child
Maintenance Service can do and the effect of improvements such as
those in the Bill on family stability and children, and on their
own relationships when they grow up, and on and on. We should not
be shy about accepting that there is a wider benefit to change of
this type.
I thank everybody who has been involved and all Committee members
for coming in and sitting through our proceedings; I know how
busy they are.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 1 accordingly ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clauses 2 to 6 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Bill to be reported, without amendment.
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