Mr Marcus Fysh (Yeovil) (Con) It is a pleasure to be here for this
last debate before recess to discuss such a crucial topic, and one
that the House should find of the utmost interest. My background in
finance comes from the self-regulatory age, but I have watched
developments over the past 20 years with great interest. The
context is that the UK needs to raise its sights and raise its game
to ensure a bright sovereign future. That necessitates taking
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(Yeovil) (Con)
It is a pleasure to be here for this last debate before recess to
discuss such a crucial topic, and one that the House should find
of the utmost interest. My background in finance comes from the
self-regulatory age, but I have watched developments over the
past 20 years with great interest.
The context is that the UK needs to raise its sights and raise
its game to ensure a bright sovereign future. That necessitates
taking significant and essential steps to make the UK competitive
for the next generation as an independent country. For that, it
must first complete Brexit by replacing the Northern Ireland
protocol with sovereignty-compliant arrangements. That would
reinstate the legal effects of the Good Friday agreement by
removing the stain on the rights of the Unionist community in
Northern Ireland. We should not shy away from using the
Parliament Act on the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill, if
necessary, to do the job of protecting the EU’s border on behalf
of a reluctant EU. Secondly, we must address the small boats
issue to control our borders by taking surgical steps to remove
the effect of the European convention on human rights in cases of
illegal arrival. Thirdly, we must remove all unnecessary
EU-inherited law and replace what remains with regulations
drafted in the common-law style that are appropriate for UK
conditions and best able to enhance our future.
However, the reversion to our common-law approach, which will be
a huge competitive advantage in the long term, will not be
complete unless we address a significant problem that has crept
into our system over the last decades, including, most
significantly, for the financial industry. This is the problem of
our regulators lacking sufficient accountability under the law.
Almost all of those who spoke in the Lords debate on the
Financial Services and Markets Bill agreed that this is a
problem. We must seize the opportunity to fix it as part of its
passage.
The Bill devolves the inherited EU rulebook to the regulators to
manage and adjust, so that they can rewrite it quickly in the
common-law style and remove unnecessary provisions. A major
problem, however, is that at present there are no mechanics for
ensuring that regulators draft clear rules and apply them
predictably and consistently. Parliament, through the Treasury
Committee, oversees the regulators at a high level. That
Committee should be capable of ensuring that the rules are
appropriately calibrated. In the Lords, a proposal to expand the
arrangements to comprise a Joint Committee of both Houses has
much to commend it. However, parliamentary oversight alone cannot
address the validity of individual decisions. For that, the only
solution is our judiciary, since only the courts or tribunals
provide an independent review of regulatory action, using
accepted methods of analysis and reasoning. has tabled a number of what
seem to be excellent amendments, which would resolve the overall
problem. I wish to speak in favour of those amendments, and ask
that they be adopted by the Government.
First, I should say what these proposals are not. They are not,
it seems, designed to introduce yet another administrative fix in
an attempt to insulate our regulators from our courts, tribunals
and lawyers. The reason is that such fixes will not work here. No
administrative solution could ever address the need for firms and
senior managers to be able to question individual decisions in an
independent forum where their arguments are properly heard. No
quango can be set up to achieve such sophisticated levels of
justice. Only the courts and tribunals can provide the solution.
If we shunt aside our courts and tribunals, we will be ignoring
the grain and the lessons from our entire political and
administrative system.
Our political life in Parliament involves debate and finality,
where distinctions are made as a result of arguments, and put to
a vote. Our approach to matters of law is similar. Facts and
arguments are presented to our courts or tribunals, leading to a
final reasoned judgment. The quality of the reasoning behind
those judgments means that our system is commonly accepted as
providing world-leading justice. What our current arrangements do
not recognise is that regulation is a form of law. It is not some
sui generis thing that is exempt from legal discipline. Over the
past few decades, regulation has become a core part of our legal
arrangements, whether we like it or not, and regulation needs to
be stitched properly into those arrangements so that it operates
at the necessary levels of sophistication.
Without the availability of courts or tribunals, firms and senior
managers who are subject to regulation and supervision inevitably
feel that they are subject to arbitrary decision making. Their
arguments, when they arise, currently have no way of being
properly heard. Unfortunately that is where we are now, but how
did we get here? The current system evolved while we were in the
European Union. The critical disciplines found elsewhere in our
legal system have not been developed to match the growth of
regulation. Instead, our system relies on our unquestionably
excellent regulators acting at their best at all times. However,
no system is perfect, and without independent checks and balances
over individual decision making, the system as a whole is weaker
than it should be.
Of course, we do not want a system where firms are constantly
questioning the proper judgments of our regulators. The
regulators’ judgements need to be respected when validly formed
and within reasonable bounds. Neither do we want an overly
expensive or time-consuming process invoked more than
occasionally, which soaks up the time of our regulators in
unnecessary disputes. However, it would be a mistake to accept
that those imperatives mean that we cannot and should not
tolerate the involvement of our courts or tribunals in any
meaningful way. That is to give up on building a system with the
necessary disciplines, and would instead involve placing
inordinate trust in an institution that we are about to endow
with huge new powers. No Government are given such trust, and
neither should our regulators be given it.
A blind faith approach would not only be an objectionable
deviation from our constitutional principles; it would doom our
financial markets gradually to decline in competitiveness, and
trend towards the competitiveness of those systems that operate
on the continental code-based legal systems. In fact, we would
most likely do worse than those systems, since our administrative
machine is not tuned to run such processes to the level of
quality of the code-based systems. The core magnet of
competitiveness for the UK is our common-law approach to the rule
of law and the trust and confidence that that engenders, and that
I, when I was the Minister responsible for exports, was keen to
ensure was front and centre of our global export offer.
Lord Lilley’s proposals would enhance the way in which the upper
tribunal considers appeals from regulatory enforcement decisions.
Indeed, they would improve the quality of those decisions before
they even reach the tribunal. There are amendments to make the
internal review bodies to the regulators—the Regulatory Decisions
Committee and the Enforcement Decision Making Committee—fully
independent to ensure that most decisions emanating from the
regulators will have been made properly, in accordance with
desired common-law disciplines. Those cases would never get to
the upper tribunal. When cases do get there, because a firm or
senior manager believes there has been a fundamental failure of
analysis by the regulators in respect of their own rules, the
assessment would not be whether the rules are valid or necessary;
it would merely be whether the firm or senior manager could have
adjusted their conduct in advance to avoid the breach.
The basic and essential discipline intrinsic to the rule of law
may require our regulators to enhance their legal teams to some
degree by placing a handful of high-end lawyers at the top, who
can ensure these disciplines are followed. However, the cost will
be small. When that is done, adverse decisions in the upper
tribunal should be few and far between. The consequence should be
that firms and senior managers can go about their business of
innovating, being entrepreneurial again, and driving enterprise,
the UK economy and global growth by matching capital in the most
efficient way with those who need it, on appropriate terms
negotiated and supervised here.
The armies of compliance staff can be reduced in number and
replaced by a smaller number of people applying thoughtful
judgment against clear, or vaguer, rules that are nevertheless
clear in their application as a result of guidance or case law
precedent, using accepted common-law methods of legal reasoning.
That will be in stark contrast to the regimes elsewhere in the
world, which are overly bureaucratic or controlling, or
unnecessarily litigious, because challenges are too easy to make
and the standards are less exacting than those that our system,
at its best, can deliver. In fact, the proposed changes are
slight but their effects will be significant. They will introduce
a discipline that will ripple through the regulators’ behaviours,
because the regulators will know that there is someone ready to
mark their homework—someone who is managing the rulebook and
supervising and enforcing against it. Obviously, regulatory
judgment is essential and, in some areas, the regulators cannot
be expected to set out in advance how they intend to act.
However, in such areas, there can nevertheless be a level of
predictability, which means people know what they are expected to
do.
Firms can apply more legal judgment when seeking to apply the
regulators’ rules, but this method is highly effective, as is
demonstrated by areas of the law that are dependent on high-level
principles, such as the law of negligence. In the more
judgment-based areas of financial regulation, the regulators’
rules will be more open-textured, but the general mischiefs that
the regulators seek to prevent can nevertheless be made known in
broad terms, and the regulators can apply their discretion to
remove or dampen behaviours that they believe to be damaging.
has proposed an alternative to
the courts, comprising an Office for Budget Responsibility-style
arrangement for the oversight of the regulators. However, that
would merely introduce another bureaucracy without the discipline
necessary to ensure that the regulators operate their rulebooks
properly. In fact, we already have such a solution on the points
that really matter. The Financial Regulators Complaints
Commissioner already provides a vehicle for an examination of
regulatory failings. The only shortcoming of the existing FRCC
arrangements is that its recommendations are not binding. The
FRCC investigated the London Capital & Finance debacle—a
problem for many of our constituents—and made findings that were
not criticised for their thoroughness, but were nevertheless
ignored by the Financial Conduct Authority. There is no
indication that the findings were incorrect or improperly
reached. Lord Lilley’s amendments address the lack of a binding
nature to the FRCC’s recommendations, and would allow the FRCC to
play a more significant role in analysing regulatory failings,
but direct supervision of regulatory action by our judiciary has
its natural limits.
On average, only 10 such cases have been brought by firms against
regulators annually over the past two decades. Almost all such
cases occupy no more than a day of the upper tribunal’s time.
Lord Lilley’s amendments would not turn that trickle into a
torrent, but they would improve the quality of the resulting
judgments, so that the market could follow the legal reasoning
and reap the rewards of predictability sown there.
By far the greatest prize that will result from predictability
for the market is a conversion of the many cases that smaller
businesses and consumers bring before the Financial Ombudsman
Service each year against firms. At present, the FOS is not
required to apply legal reasoning in deciding its cases. That is
a huge lost opportunity for firms and consumers, who would
benefit from certainty in the application of regulatory rules.
The Lilley amendments would harness that case flow by applying
our common-law method to it, so that the beneficiary of a
decision would be not just the individual claimant in a case, but
the entire class of potential claimants. They would be able to
follow the legal reasoning and decide whether they, too, had
cause for redress.
Do not mistake me: I do not mean that the amendments would apply
substantive common law to these disputes. Small businesses and
consumers already benefit from statute, and from regulatory rules
that require firms to treat their customers fairly, whatever the
terms of a contract. It is essential that those substantive
obligations of fairness remain fully in place for the protection
of buyers of financial services.
The amendments would import an obligation to apply legal
reasoning to what “fairness” means in the cases that come forward
for decision. In that regard, the amendments take as their model
our employment tribunals; since their introduction in the 1960s,
they have, along with the obligation on employers to be fair at
the point of dismissal, explained to employers what that means in
practice. A settled body of employment practice has emerged from
case law, and that is now essential to the orderly operation of
labour markets. These amendments seek to emulate the success that
employment tribunals have had in delivering inexpensive and
illuminating justice to customers of financial services, and to
ensure the orderly operation of financial markets. The amendments
would achieve those goals in many ways.
The first-tier tribunal takes as its model the employment
tribunals, which are a proven means of delivering, at low cost,
the considered decision of a three-person panel—a lawyer and two
market participants—as to what it means to treat a person fairly.
They do so in a non-technical way, guiding the unrepresented
person through the important points that go to make up fair
treatment. Their decisions are properly reasoned, so other firms
will have a clear guide to how they should treat their customers.
No longer will firms be able to complain that it is impossible to
build reliable compliance programmes around regulations as no one
can agree on what they mean. In that critical respect, Lord
Lilley’s amendments would implement to the full the Treasury
Committee’s recommendation of October 2018.
The amendments appear to be modelled on three tried and tested,
world-beating precedents: our common-law system, our employment
tribunals and our construction adjudication. They deftly remove
the unconstitutional unaccountability of our financial regulators
by stitching them into their proper place in our legal system,
without compromising the regulators’ autonomy. The regulators
will be free to continue their important work, but they will do
it to a higher standard. They will be more predictable and
consistent in their actions. That will be a competitive advantage
to us as we look to fulfil our new role in the world.
In conclusion, there is so much change coming to the financial
world, including the digital tokenisation of assets, artificial
intelligence and the advent of sovereign digital currencies, that
it is essential that we make our regulatory structure as
sure-footed and competitive as possible. These light-touch
amendments present a huge opportunity, and I recommend them
wholeheartedly to the Government.
4.28pm
The Economic Secretary to the Treasury ()
I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Yeovil (Mr Fysh) on
securing this important debate. He has a distinguished background
in finance, and clearly knows of what he speaks. I note his
reference to the thoughtful amendments tabled to the Financial
Services and Markets Bill by the noble . I imagine that they draw on
the work that Politeia has published by Barnabas Reynolds on the
rules for regulators. This is an important topic, and one the
Government and I take enormously seriously. We are going through
the process of rewriting financial services legislation for a
generation. My colleagues and I—the Chancellor and everyone in
the Treasury—are very concerned that we get that right. The
accountability of our financial services regulations, a sector
that comprises over 10% of the entire GDP of our economy, is of
the utmost importance. Unsurprisingly, a number of colleagues
have raised this matter in both Houses.
The Government have a clear vision for the future: an open,
sustainable and technologically advanced financial services
sector that is globally competitive and acts in the interests of
communities and citizens across all four nations of the United
Kingdom. That was reiterated in the Edinburgh reforms late last
year. Together with the Financial Services and Markets Bill, they
amount to the most far-reaching reforms in a generation. I hope
my hon. Friend would agree with me on that. The Bill contains a
number of measures to address precisely the purposes and concerns
my hon. Friend raises. It updates the regulators’ objectives to
ensure that for the very first time they consider the sector’s
critical role in supporting the UK economy. The Financial Conduct
Authority and the Prudential Regulation Authority will be given a
new secondary objective to facilitate the international
competitiveness of the UK economy and its growth in the medium
and long term. That is absolutely right, and the Government
expect that to result in real change and in different
outcomes.
My hon. Friend referred to the amendments to the Financial
Services and Markets Bill tabled by in Committee in the other
place. They seek to enhance the role of the judiciary to provide
additional checks and balances on the exercise of regulatory
power. He is quite correct when he talks about the many benefits
of common law—predictability and certainty among them—but that is
not the only way. My hon. Friend is passionate about seizing the
opportunities of Brexit for this country, and I reiterate to him
that the Government, through the Bill as it relates to financial
services, are repealing retained EU law. It will remove
prescriptive provisions and hundreds of pieces of retained EU law
entirely.
On judicial accountability, which we see in many domains, my hon.
Friend raises a number of examples, including on employment
tribunals. It will, of course, be up to the UK courts to
determine how domestic legislation and rules are interpreted. All
the corpus of financial services regulation will ultimately sit
subject to that.
My hon. Friend raised the Financial Regulators Complaints
Commissioner and a case of which I was not aware of its findings,
although voluntary, being ignored. Let me say from the Dispatch
Box that were that to be a pattern of behaviour, that cannot be
right. That is not a reasonable expectation from our regulators.
It is something we should look at, were that be the case. There
is an existing mechanism for redress and it is important for all
of us that that is taken with the most significant gravity.
Parliament has a unique, special role and responsibility in
relation to the scrutiny and oversight of our regulators. Select
Committees—the Treasury Committee in particular but not
exclusively—provide scrutiny of financial services policy
through, for example, Select Committee inquiries and regular
hearings on the work of regulators. The Treasury Committee has a
dedicated Sub-Committee on financial services regulations, and it
is currently conducting an inquiry into the PRA’s strong and
simple framework. In addition, the Committee conducts
pre-commencement hearings following the appointment of the chair
and chief executive of the FCA and the chief executive of the
PRA, and can subject them to ongoing scrutiny hearings. If the
Committee does not wish to support the appointment of the FCA’s
chief executive, it can recommend that it be put to a vote on the
Floor of the House.
There are a number of mechanisms in the UK’s domestic framework
that allow the Treasury to hold the regulators to account. For
example, under section 1S of the Financial Services and Markets
Act and section 7F of the Bank of England Act 1998, the
Treasury
“may appoint an independent person to conduct a review of the
economy, efficiency and effectiveness”
of the use of resources by the FCA and the PRA respectively. I am
not aware of that mechanism having been used, but it strikes me
as a particularly useful one. My hon. Friend and others may wish
to make representations to the Treasury if in future they still
consider that there are deficiencies in how regulation is carried
out.
HM Treasury can direct the regulators to carry out an
investigation into specific events if it is in the public
interest. FSMA also provides the Treasury with the ability to
make recommendations to the regulators in open letters on issues
related to matters of economic policy. Finally, the Government
use regular engagement with the regulators to hold them to
account. As the Minister responsible for financial services
regulation, I engage regularly with the FCA and PRA’s chief
executives on a wide range of issues, including their
performance. I hope that my hon. Friend will take it in good
faith that they are suitably challenged about how we are getting
the financial services we need in this country.
I accept that there is more to do. In the Financial Services and
Markets Bill, at the behest of my hon. Friend and others, we have
introduced a package of measures to strengthen the accountability
to Parliament of the PRA, the FCA and the Payment Systems
Regulator, to strengthen their relationship with the Treasury
and, importantly, to enhance their engagement with the firms that
they regulate. I am grateful for the positive engagement of
colleagues in both Houses who have made a number of very sensible
suggestions in Committee. I hope that our incorporation of some
of those suggestions in Government amendments assures colleagues
that we are taking the matter, and their concerns, very
seriously.
I fully understand that many people in the industry are concerned
about not just the volume of rules but the speed with which
decisions on those rules are made. I was grateful, although
disturbed, to read the recent TheCityUK report revealing that 90%
of those surveyed about the FCA felt that the efficiency of
authorisations was in some way detrimental to the attractiveness
of the UK as a place to do business. That pains me, but I am
content that my concern is shared by the leadership of the
organisations; I have been assured that improving performance in
that respect will be a priority. The Bill will require the FCA
and the PRA to report on their performance, not only on
operational measures but in the discharge of their new growth and
competitiveness objective, as part of their annual report.
I thank my hon. Friend again for raising such important points
and for kindly staying until the Adjournment for recess. I know
that his concerns are shared by many colleagues in this House and
will continue to be taken seriously. We have a great opportunity
to get this right, and it is important that we do so. I will
dedicate myself over the coming weeks and months to working with
colleagues to ensure that we get the best outcomes and that we
listen carefully to what he and other Members, in both Houses,
have said about this important matter.
Question put and agreed to.
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