The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Suella Braverman)
Before I start, I put on record my thanks to Mr Speaker for hosting
President Zelensky just now in Parliament; I am sure we all agree
that his address was both moving and powerful. Having visited
Ukraine last year as Attorney General, I know that this Government
are as committed as ever to fighting with our friends in Ukraine.
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The Secretary of State for the Home Department ()
Before I start, I put on record my thanks to Mr Speaker for
hosting President Zelensky just now in Parliament; I am sure we
all agree that his address was both moving and powerful. Having
visited Ukraine last year as Attorney General, I know that this
Government are as committed as ever to fighting with our friends
in Ukraine.
With permission, Madam Deputy Speaker, I would like to make a
statement about the independent review of Prevent. The United
Kingdom is an extraordinary place to live. Our history, our
culture, our institutions, our liberties and, crucially, our
values make it so: democracy, the rule of law, sexual equality,
freedom of religion, freedom of expression and freedom of
inquiry.
Those freedoms are not enjoyed universally. We are reminded of
that every day in Russia’s barbaric invasion of Ukraine, in
Iran’s brutal repression of protest, and in China’s horrific
treatment of the Uyghur people and its draconian laws limiting
free expression in Hong Kong. The United Kingdom is extraordinary
because of the rights and freedoms our citizens enjoy. That is
why so many people want to follow in my parents’ footsteps and
leave their home to make a new life here.
Those rights and freedoms are underpinned by our shared values.
We cannot be timid when it comes to those values. If we do not
argue for them, if we do not defend them, there is no guarantee
that they will endure, because there are those who seek to
undermine them through extremist and even terrorist activity.
Recent attacks provide a tragic and sobering reminder of that
threat. The 2017 Westminster attack, the Manchester Arena
bombing, London Bridge, Finsbury Park, Fishmongers’ Hall, Forbury
Gardens and the murders of MP and MP have all taken lives from us
in the name of extremist ideology.
Terrorist attacks are not random acts of violence. They are
inherently and necessarily ideological. The very freedoms and
values we cherish are the things terrorists want to destroy.
Terrorists come from a much wider pool of extremists. That is why
we must ensure we address the whole problem, not just the
sharpest, most violent end of the extremist-terrorist
spectrum.
My first duty as Home Secretary is to keep the British public
safe. The UK’s counter-terrorism strategy, Contest, is centred
around four Ps: prevent, pursue, protect and prepare. Each of
those four pillars is vital, but I am here to talk about how we
can better prevent people from becoming radicalised into
ideologies that inspire terrorism. I am here to talk about
Prevent.
Prevent is an early intervention programme. Its mission is to
stop people becoming terrorists or supporting terrorism. It
relies on frontline sectors across society, including healthcare,
education, local authorities and the police. William Shawcross
has led a superb independent review of Prevent, for which I am
very grateful. The review is unflinching: Prevent needs major
reform. It needs to better understand the threats that we face
and the ideology underpinning them.
Eighty per cent. of the counter-terrorism police network’s live
investigations are on Islamist terrorism. MI5 is clear that that
remains our predominant threat, accounting for 75% of its
caseload. Yet only 16% of Prevent referrals in 2021-22 were
Islamist. Prevent has shown cultural timidity and an
institutional hesitancy to tackle Islamism for fear of charges of
Islamophobia. Those are false charges that spread fear and
misinformation in communities.
As the former Prime Minister said in 2015:
“Islam is a religion observed peacefully and devoutly by over a
billion people. Islamist extremism is a political ideology
supported by a minority. At the furthest end are those who back
terrorism to promote their ultimate goal: an entire Islamist
realm, governed by an interpretation of Sharia. Move along the
spectrum, and you find people who may reject violence, but who
accept various parts of the extremist worldview, including real
hostility towards Western democracy and liberal values.”
I thank Mr Cameron for his leadership on this issue, and I stand
by his words.
The truth is that there is nothing anti-Muslim about tackling
Islamism, and we must continue to work closely with Muslim
communities if we are to do so effectively. In fact, William
Shawcross rightly commended the excellent, brave work to
challenge Islamism in local communities. I share his outrage that
those working to do so—many of whom are Muslim—often face
intimidation, including death threats, from extremists. Prevent
must do more to support them.
While obscuring the Islamist threat, Prevent has defined the
extreme right wing too broadly, encompassing the respectable
right and centre-right. The threat from the extreme right wing
must not be minimised. It is serious and it is growing; it must
be robustly addressed. But it is not the same, either in nature
or in scale, as the threat from Islamism.
Prevent is a security service, not a social service. Too often,
the role of ideology in terrorism is minimised, with violence
attributed instead to vulnerabilities such as mental health or
poverty. “Protective factors” do not absolve ideological fervour
or individual responsibility. We must be more nuanced in our
approach.
I will swiftly implement all the review’s recommendations, and
will report on my progress a year from now. Prevent’s focus must
be solely on security, not on political correctness. Prevent’s
first objective will be to tackle the ideological causes of
terrorism. It must counteract the narratives of extremists,
undermine their propaganda, and take on their warped ideologies.
Prevent staff, and others under the Prevent duty, will have
better training and guidance, improving their understanding of
the ideological nature of terrorism. There will be a
proportionate and consistent threshold for defining all
ideological threats. A new security threat check process will
ensure that Prevent decision making always considers the present
terrorist threat.
The review establishes that Prevent has funded—using taxpayer
money in the name of counter-extremism—those legitimising
extremism. That ends on my watch. I will strengthen the oversight
of our work with civil society organisations, and ensure that
Prevent funding goes only towards Prevent’s objectives.
In too many aspects of British life, hatred directed at Jewish
people has been tolerated, normalised, and accepted. Racism that
would rightly be called out and enforced against were it directed
at another minority group is too often ignored when directed at
Jews. The review makes clear that that double standard must
change, so Prevent will do more to recognise and combat the
prevalence of antisemitism in extremist ideology and
narratives.
Finally, I will look to the Commission for Countering Extremism,
led by Robin Simcox, for independent scrutiny and expertise as we
deliver on the review’s recommendations.
Britain has succeeded because we are a pluralist, open society,
enhanced by our differences and bound together by our values.
This country can be proud of who we are—proud of our freedoms and
proud of our values. We should say so, loudly and often. I am
deeply grateful to all those who work hard to counter extremism
and keep us safe. A reformed Prevent is critical to that goal.
That is why I commend this statement to the House.
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(Normanton, Pontefract and
Castleford) (Lab)
I thank the Home Secretary for advance sight of her statement.
May I also say how much all of us welcome and pay tribute to the
words of President Zelensky, who spoke in Westminster Hall
earlier?
This is a moment to pay tribute to the work of the security and
intelligence services, the counter-terror police and all those
who work on preventing and countering extremism and terror
threats. The work that they do is difficult, but it saves lives
and we owe them thanks. Extremism is a stain on our society.
Perpetrated in the name of one ideology or another, it feeds on
fear. Its purpose is to tap into vulnerabilities, exploit people
and drive us apart; to force us to hate rather than love; and to
divide us rather than recognise what we share in common—from the
appalling Manchester attack on children at a concert, to the
attack on Fishmongers’ Hall on London Bridge, to the murder of
some of our own colleagues: by an Islamist extremist, and
by a far right extremist. Most recently, there was also
the bomb attempt against the Dover border centre.
We should condemn terrorist and extremist activity wherever it
comes from. Fighting against it is a core part of our national
security and of defending our democracy. The resilience that we
build against extremists is about standing up for what we have in
common and always challenging hatred and extremism wherever we
might find it.
The Prevent programme, which we are discussing today, is
extremely important. Its purpose is early intervention to prevent
radicalisation and extremism, and ultimately to prevent terror
threats to all of us. That is why we support it and want always
to see the work on the prevention of terrorism and extremism
improved, updated and scrutinised. But the review should have
been a great opportunity, and that opportunity has been missed.
Instead of being a way to build consensus, it has been
mishandled.
Prevent is—or should be—just one aspect of a wider
counter-extremism and counter-terrorism strategy; it works only
if it is located within those. The focus on it today, as if there
were only the one aspect, is too narrow and means that it fails
to tackle the pressures that we face. Prevent is about voluntary
engagement to tackle radicalisation, but it needs to be part of
the wider counter-extremism strategy. However, the Home Secretary
and the Government have not updated their counter-extremism
strategy since 2015.
The situation is likewise on the elements of the Contest
strategy—the wider counter-terror strategy, of which Prevent is a
part. On the “pursue” element, we know that since control orders
were abolished there has been very little use of terrorism
prevention and investigation measures; only two are in force
today. On “prepare”, the Manchester bombing inquiry found serious
weaknesses, and on “protect” there has been very limited progress
on Martyn’s law, which is so important. The Prevent strategy
should be part of that wider updated counter-terror strategy and
also of an updated counter-extremism strategy that we do not have
today.
The review and its conclusions, and the Home Secretary’s response
to them, feel confused. At one point she said that the focus
should be narrower and on those most likely to pose a terrorist
threat, but at the same time, that the focus needs to be more on
wider non-violent extremism. It will be unclear to practitioners
what it is that they are expected to do. She says that there has
been a problem—that Prevent has supported extremist groups in the
past and that she will end that—but I say to her that when her
predecessor, the right hon. Member for Maidenhead (Mrs May), did
her own Prevent review, she said exactly the same thing and said,
“We will not make these mistakes again. This will not happen.”
After 13 years in government, it is unclear what they have been
doing.
The Home Secretary has said there needs to be proper scrutiny and
oversight, but the Prevent oversight board has not met since
2018. The review says that mental health services have huge gaps
and Prevent is picking up the strain. We agree there is a serious
problem with mental health services having huge gaps and not
being able to address early intervention, but where is the
response to that? Labour has called for mental health
practitioners in all secondary schools to provide support, but
again that is missing.
The review does not seem to address the big increase and the
record numbers of teenagers who have been arrested for terrorist
offences. The Home Secretary talks about Islamist and far-right
extremism, and it is clear that Prevent and the wider
counter-extremism strategy need to tackle both, and both are
changing fast. Islamist extremism often now is about single
actors and lone actors, not just the organised groups that we saw
some years ago. With far-right extremism, likewise we have seen
many changes in how those threats take place, and we have seen
the rise of new kinds of ideologies and extremist threats,
including incels. There should be no hierarchy of extremism. The
counter-terror police and the experts need to go wherever the
evidence takes them. There should be no political sensitivities
and no cultural sensitivities at all in any of their work, and we
should back them in the work they do and not try to set in this
House what those priorities should be. They need to focus on the
evidence.
This is an immensely important area, but will the Home Secretary
now agree to a much wider review of the counter-extremism
strategy and come forward with a proper counter-extremism
strategy that can tackle hateful extremism much more widely? Will
she recognise that the Government have failed by not updating the
strategy? Will she also tell us whether she really thinks that
her approach will build consensus, because consensus around a
voluntary engagement programme is crucial? That is where it feels
that the Home Secretary and this review have badly let the
country down.
I welcome the challenge and the response from the shadow Home
Secretary on the Labour Front Bench. It is obviously the
responsibility of the Government and everyone in this House to
choose their words carefully, recognising the sensitivity of this
subject, but ultimately to uphold the aim of Prevent, which is to
prevent people from becoming radicalised and engaging in
terrorism. We cannot do that alone. The communities of
individuals who are of interest to Prevent are an essential part
of helping us to identify radicalism and to deal with it
effectively, and we must work together, collectively, for that
common goal.
The shadow Home Secretary does not seem to understand the main
point, or one of the main points, made by William Shawcross,
which is that we cannot ignore the seriousness of non-violent
extremism and groups that purport to be operating in the name of
community cohesion and in the name of Islam, but are actually
propagating mendacious and malicious campaigns to discredit
Prevent as anti-Muslim and to undermine community cohesion. Let
us be clear, just as the independent review is. CAGE, for
example, is an Islamist group. It has excused and legitimised
violence by Islamist terrorists. Muslim Engagement and
Development is an anti-Prevent group, with a history of
partnering with actors of extremist concern. Prevent has been
routinely smeared by such groups as a vehicle for spying on
Muslims. They have slandered those who work with Prevent to
combat Islamist extremism as disloyal, sinful or “native”
informants—derogatory terms that are entirely unacceptable in our
free and liberal society. We must combat those pernicious
fallacies and be courageous and muscular in combating that
misinformation.
I will just say that I find the lecture from the Labour party on
how to prevent extremism rather rich. That is a Labour party
that, sadly, was investigated by the Metropolitan police for
antisemitic hate crimes. That is a Labour party that was found by
the Equality and Human Rights Commission to have serious failings
in addressing antisemitism. That is a Labour party that
campaigned to make Prime Minister.
Madam Deputy Speaker ( )
Order. The Home Secretary knows that she should not refer to hon.
Members by name directly.
That is a Labour party that campaigned to make the right hon.
Member for Islington North Prime Minister.
In this field, I prefer to take my advice and cues from the great
British public. They did the cause of fighting extremism an
immense service when they voted overwhelmingly to ensure that the
Labour party, under the leadership of the right hon. Member for
Islington North, would have nothing to do with leading this
country.
William Shawcross has exposed a real problem: a cultural
timidity, a blind eye being turned to extremism, a fraternisation
with those who would do us harm, and a hesitancy to confront head
on and bravely the threat of Islamist extremist ideology. That
problem, it seems, runs deep in the Labour party, too. I commend
the statement and encourage all colleagues to work with the Home
Office to make this work.
Madam Deputy Speaker ( )
I call the Chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee.
Sir (New Forest East) (Con)
I am slightly sorry about the lack of consensus in the Chamber,
although that illustrates the point that when views are strongly
held, reaching consensus may be an ideal goal that is not always
realisable. However, drawing on the shadow Home Secretary’s
comments, may I ask my right hon. and learned Friend the Home
Secretary to focus on the voluntary aspect of the Prevent
programme? Although one can understand that it will always have
to operate in a fairly gentle and very carefully worded way to
encourage people voluntarily to engage with it, does that mean
that there is a gap in the system whereby people espousing
extreme views who would benefit from a course on the Prevent
programme are, by simply refusing it, allowed to proceed without
any attempt at all to encourage them or deter them from an
extreme position in the future?
My right hon. Friend makes a very important point. Although
Prevent is predominantly about security and safety and must be
heavily informed by the security assessments, there is a very
strong community element. That is why work with local authorities
and agencies in healthcare and education is vital. That is one
element of the Channel programme, which is covered extensively in
William Shawcross’s report. There is moving evidence of how that
multi-agency intervention has saved lives. Let me be clear that,
for every Prevent failure that is exposed in the media or
otherwise publicly, there are many stories—which the public will
never read about—of lives turned around and harm averted, thanks
to the great work done by multi-agency partners in the way to
which my right hon. Friend refers.
Madam Deputy Speaker
I call the Scottish National party spokesperson.
(East Renfrewshire)
(SNP)
After months of delay, some caused by repeated changes of Prime
Minister, as well as reported concerns among Ministers that some
organisations named in the report could sue for libel, it is
welcome that the report has now been published. This area is
critically important, and I think we would all agree on the value
that we place on those who work so hard to keep us all safe, but
questions remain about the focus. For instance, we need to see
this report in the context of the Met’s head of counter-terrorism
pointing out that three in four advanced terror plots disrupted
in 2021 actually involved right-wing extremists, and 41% of
counter-terrorism arrests in 2021 were of extreme right-wing
suspects. Does the Home Secretary agree that whatever steps are
taken in response to the report, it would be wrong and indeed
damaging to stigmatise or marginalise Muslim communities, and
that the risks posed by ideologies such as right-wing extremism
and antisemitism, as well as Islamic extremism, must all remain
central to any UK counter-terror strategy?
Does the Home Secretary feel that any shift in focus is needed to
take into account more recent forms of extremism that have
emerged since the report was commissioned, such as the QAnon
ideology imported from the United States, incels or the anti-vax
movement that sprung up during the pandemic? I note that, in the
draft review, Mr Shawcross indicated that money from the Prevent
budget in some cases went to organisations promoting extremist
narratives. What changes does she intend to make to ensure that
that comes to an end, and can she tell us how much money she
thinks has been sent to such organisations? Can she also tell us
if the refreshed strategy will be accompanied by any increase in
Prevent’s budget?
Finally, the Home Secretary will know that Scotland takes its own
approach to Prevent, with our focus on strong links between the
community and the police, leading to positive relationships and
grassroots-based initiatives aimed at countering extremism. Can
she tell us how she will protect that specific approach in
relation to recommendation 14, and whether she will she be guided
by Scotland’s experience in her own application of the Prevent
strategy?
I do not agree with the hon. Lady’s characterisation that this is
unfairly stigmatising Muslims. I have been clear that the vast
majority of Muslims are peaceful and law-abiding. What we are
talking about here is a minority of Islamist extremists, and we
must not shy away from calling out their unacceptable behaviour.
William Shawcross goes into a lot of detail, building on accounts
by many other experts, notably Mr Justice Haddon-Cave in the case
of Shakeel Begg, in which he talks authoritatively and
exhaustively about the narratives that are characteristic of
kinds of non-violent extremist practices—preaching jihad,
encouraging religious violence, a world view of us versus them
and urging destruction of disbelievers in the name of Islam.
Activity such as that is what constitutes extremist ideology, and
ideology is at the root of the behaviour that can lead to terror
and destruction.
(South Holland and The Deepings)
(Con)
Will the Home Secretary, whom I congratulate on this statement by
the way, recognise that the Prevent duty, which I introduced as
Security Minister, has led to an unfortunate outcome? That is
that the Islamist threat she described has been defined and
interpreted too narrowly, whereas some of the other threats,
which are less significant, as she said, in scale and character,
have none the less been defined too widely. The truth of the
matter is that Prevent is now out of kilter both with the
subjects of interest to the police and the intelligence services
and with the active inquiries of those services, and it has to be
brought back into line to play its proper part in the Contest
strategy.
My right hon. Friend deserves huge credit for the work he led
when he was Security Minister introducing, as he said, the
Prevent duty, which obliges relevant authorities to take action
when they identify evidence of radicalisation within the public
realm. He is absolutely right: 80% of the counter-terrorism
police network’s live investigations are Islamist. MI5 is clear
that Islamist terrorism remains our predominant security threat,
accounting for 75% of its case load. Yet, judging by the
referrals made by Prevent, that is entirely inconsistent with the
work being done on the ground. That is why I am committed to
ensuring there is a security threat check, so that the work
carried out on the ground and within communities is consistent
with the actual and real security threat that we face.
(Birmingham, Perry Barr)
(Lab)
The Secretary of State says that the issue is about working with
a smaller organisation, but that has not been a problem for a
long time. As I have said for ever and a day, until we get this
issue out into the mainstream community and get the main Muslim
community on board, Prevent will have detractors, as it
continually does. Will she listen to the shadow Secretary of
State when she says that the terrorism strategy has to be updated
and that the previous commissioner’s report still has not been
implemented? All those issues need to be put together, not just
the Prevent review, to ensure that the area works holistically.
Finally, saying words about the Labour party in the way that the
Home Secretary does, does not help any of us to move forward,
which I think is a little unwise.
The reality is that yes, we are going for a refresh of our
Contest counter-terrorism strategy. This is a vital element of
that, and we will be setting out broader plans and strategy in
the future. The hon. Gentleman points to an important issue, and
we need to work with communities, community leaders, and those in
the Muslim community who support this work and recognise the
benefit of preventing radicalisation and terrorism. The
caricature of Prevent as an authoritarian and thinly veiled means
of persecuting British Muslims is not only untrue, but a
grotesque insult to all those who work in the Prevent network and
within communities, doing such diligent work to stop terrorism.
We as a community need to be much more muscular in defending
them.
(The Wrekin) (Con)
I welcome this review and the call, as I see it, for a
rebalancing of institutional effort and emphasis over the whole
Prevent programme. On the issue of extreme right-wing threats and
terrorism, while the numbers are small, does the Home Secretary
share my concern about the number of teenagers and the age
profile, particularly young men who are being radicalised online
and are attracted to extreme right-wing ideology, with
potentially some of those—small numbers—leading to terrorist
activity? What more can we do as a Government to prevent that
online?
My right hon. Friend is right to talk about the threat from
extreme right-wing ideology, which is growing fast and quickly
within the Prevent caseload. We must not ignore it; we must take
steps to intervene and prevent that from spreading into violent
behaviour. Indeed, we have seen successful prosecutions of
individuals who have espoused those disgraceful views. Mechanisms
will be in place, and the Online Safety Bill will be a vital tool
in the fight against extremism. I look forward to that being
delivered and helping us with that objective.
(North Durham) (Lab)
I thank the Home Secretary for her statement, but I fear that in
her attempt to construct a hierarchy of terrorism threats, she
will play into the hands of those in the Islamic community who
want to damage Prevent. She said in her statement that Prevent
defined the extreme right wing too broadly, encompassing the
respectable right wing and the right of centre, but last year’s
report by the Intelligence and Security Committee, if she cares
to read it, states that that is just not the case. She also has
to look at the numbers. As the right hon. Member for The Wrekin
() said, there is a growing
threat online of young people—white men—who Prevent would help by
stopping them being radicalised. She said that she has listened
to the British public, but may I suggest that she listens to the
security services, counter-terrorism police and MI5, which
certainly do not want a situation in which Prevent is used as a
political football, as she is trying to do, between two threats,
both of which are extremely dangerous to our society?
I am sure the right hon. Gentleman, as a member of the
Intelligence and Security Committee, will be aware, as I am, that
the security threat assessment cannot be ignored. When we hear
from agencies that are on the frontline, combating activities
across the country, and looking at their caseload and at the
numbers of subjects of interest they monitor, it is undeniable
that by far the greatest security threat that this country faces
is that posed by Islamist extremism. That is not reflected by our
on-the-ground Prevent programme. That means it is not working. As
William Shawcross sets out extensively, that is because of a
misapplication of thresholds and assessments of the nature and
scale of the different threats. It is a bogus equivalence to
equate the threat of extreme right-wing terrorism and the threat
of Islamist extremism, and that is what we all need to be honest
about.
(Southend West) (Con)
I warmly welcome this statement, and the tributes and sad
reminders from both sides of the House that my brilliant
predecessor, , was brutally murdered by an
evil man pursuing an Islamic terrorist agenda. Given that my
right hon. Friend the Home Secretary has just confirmed that the
greatest security threat still facing the UK is that of Islamic
terrorism, according to the security threat assessment, will she
commit to ensuring that the Prevent programme is overwhelmingly
focused on tackling the threat posed by terrorist ideology, so
that no other constituency has to endure what mine endured in
2021?
My hon. Friend reminds us powerfully and poignantly of the tragic
implications when we cannot prevent, and our authorities fail to
prevent, terrorism. The House was united in its grief in the
aftermath of the horrific murder of our dear friend and
colleague, MP.
It is absolutely vital, not just for the victims of terrorism but
for all the families who have been bereaved and all those who
have been directly affected by the grotesquely evil acts of
terrorists, that we take robust action, that we are candid about
the shortfalls and shortcomings of the Prevent programme, and
that we act rapidly to remedy them, so that we present a
meaningful and robust approach to preventing terrorism and
extremism in Britain.
(Twickenham) (LD)
I would like to think that everybody, on both sides of the House,
is united in wanting to tackle extremism and terrorism, whichever
faith groups, or those of no faith at all, are targeted, so I
deeply regret the tone of some of the Home Secretary’s remarks
today.
I welcome the fact that the review of the Prevent strategy has
finally been published; in the past, the strategy has been
undermined by suspicion and tension. Does the Home Secretary
agree that in order to combat violent extremism, we must engage
with marginalised communities, and that by demonising one
community in particular, which her language has sought to do
today, we are doing precisely the opposite?
We all need to be intellectually honest about the situation and
we must not shy away from speaking the truth, however
uncomfortable that may be. I have not sought, and nor do I ever
seek, to demonise any particular community in this country. It is
frankly disgusting to see politicians here repeating the smears
that have been thrown at the Prevent programme for far too long.
Too many groups have been attacking Prevent for far too long, in
a campaign to undermine its objectives, smearing it as unfairly
targeting Muslims, and suggesting that it is spying on Muslims.
All of that is totally untrue. As leading politicians, we should
collectively combat that misinformation so that we are all
keeping the British people safe.
(Blackpool South) (Con)
It is evident from the Home Secretary’s robust statement that
Prevent has been dragged badly off course as a consequence of
political correctness and misplaced cultural sensitivities. Our
response to the threat from terrorism must be based on the level
of risk. Islamist terrorism remains the greatest security risk to
the UK, yet last year only 16% of referrals were associated with
that ideology. Does she agree with me that that fact demonstrates
how badly Prevent has failed the communities of this country and
how much it needs urgent reform?
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. This is not just about
focusing on the sharp end of violent activity; this is about
ensuring there is wider understanding of non-violent extremism
within the wider Islamist movement that promotes grievance
narratives and propagates a wider ideological movement that is
undermining of western values and liberal democracies. We must
not shy away from taking action against those groups. They may
fall just below the threshold of terrorism, but they none the
less foster ideologies and narratives that may lead to very
deadly and destructive behaviour. We must take a strong response
to that.
(Islington North) (Ind)
I thank the Home Secretary for her statement and for referring to
the horrific incident that happened in Finsbury Park in 2017,
when a far-right extremist, Darren Osborne, killed Makram Ali, a
local Muslim person. Would she acknowledge that within our
community in Finsbury Park, the Jewish community, the Muslim
community, the Christian community, imams and many other
religious leaders have done a great deal to try to bring the
community together and promote community understanding and
cohesion, and that it is important we bring people together and
do not demonise any particular community or allow racism in any
form to thrive in our society?
Has the Home Secretary had the opportunity to look at the
response by Zara Mohammed from the Muslim Council of Britain to
the trailing of this statement? Will she arrange to have a
discussion with the MCB on its concerns that the statement will,
in fact, not deal with the issue of far-right extremism, as my
right hon. Friend the Member for North Durham (Mr Jones) pointed
out, but will actually continue the demonisation of one community
over another? I am sure that is not what she wants to achieve,
but it is important to bring all communities together.
It is absolutely important to bring all communities together. I
have to say that advice from the right hon. Gentleman is pretty
tin-eared, given his particular oversight and leadership of the
Labour party, which was found by the Equality and Human Rights
Commission to have serious failings relating to antisemitism. I
also say that the Labour party recently gave an award, via
Labour-controlled Lewisham Council, to the Lewisham Islamic
Centre, whose head imam, the notorious Shakeel Begg, was found by
the court to have espoused extremist Islamic positions and
promoted or encouraged religious violence. So I very gently say,
please hold the mirror up to one’s own party before lecturing the
Government on how to deal with this problem.
(Stoke-on-Trent South)
(Con)
Stoke-on-Trent has suffered from both far-right extremism and
Islamic extremism, yet the Home Office is proposing to remove our
Prevent funding and remove what small amount of funding
Stoke-on-Trent City Council receives, which has a massive impact.
Will the Home Office please look urgently to review that and
consider restoring that funding from the end of the financial
year?
For Prevent to operate effectively within local communities,
funding is essential. This is why it is absolutely essential that
the Home Office works in conjunction with the Department for
Levelling Up, Housing and Communities, so that the right
resources are put on the frontline and the multi-agency
partnership approach can be effective.
(Coventry South) (Lab)
When the Government appointed William Shawcross to lead the
review of Prevent, more than 450 Muslim organisations and leading
human rights organisations such as Amnesty International
boycotted it. Shawcross’s anti-Muslim attitude is well known. He
said, for example, that
“Europe and Islam is one of the…most terrifying problems of our
future.”
[Interruption.] Yes, he said that. Human rights groups said that
this attitude meant the review’s supposed objectivity was a
farce, warning that it would ignore Prevent’s discriminatory
impact and its undermining of democratic freedoms. That warning
has been borne out today. Human rights organisation Liberty has
previously called Prevent the biggest threat to free speech on
campuses and highlighted its anti-Muslim impact. Why does the
Home Secretary think that perspective is absent from the
review?
I have nothing but gratitude for William Shawcross and the very
firm and robust work that he has carried out to assess the
operations of Prevent. He has brought with him a wealth of
experience from previous roles, and I thank him for delivering
such an important and high-quality report.
I say very gently that there is quite a long list of instances in
which councillors who have been or are members of the Labour
party are supporting or working with extremist Islamist groups.
That is a shameful track record on the part of the Labour party
that should be sorted out imminently.
(Stockton South) (Con)
Does my right hon. Friend agree that the Prevent programme will
work only if we bring communities along with us, and that the
Government must continue to work sensibly with them to tackle
radicalisation?
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. We have to work with
grassroots organisations and work with members of all communities
if we are to get this right. I pay tribute to members of all
communities, of all faiths and none, who are working day in, day
out to make sure that Prevent works and that the threat from
terrorism is reduced.
(Manchester, Gorton) (Lab)
The review appears to be suggesting that there should be less
emphasis on far-right terrorism. Given the terrorist attack at a
migrant centre by an individual who wanted to “obliterate Muslim
children”, and given the statistics that show how there are more
referrals to Prevent and more Channel interventions for the
far-right than for Islamist cases, is that really the right thing
to do?
I am going by the data and by the facts. Counter-terrorism police
make it clear that Islamist cases make up 80% of their
investigations; MI5 says that they account for 75% of its
caseloads. Those are the facts, and we cannot look behind those
facts, but in the past year the proportion of referrals to
Prevent was not consistent with that security threat. Yes, the
threat from the extreme right wing is growing and serious and we
must never shy away from fighting it, but overwhelmingly the
greatest security threat that this country is facing is from
Islamist extremists. Prevent must be oriented to meet that
threat.
(Luton South) (Lab)
I pay tribute to Luton in Harmony, which does great work on
community cohesion in Luton. Any effective deradicalisation
programme has to carry the confidence of local communities. Given
the Home Secretary’s statement today, what steps is she taking to
ensure that that happens, so I can reassure my Luton South
constituents?
When it comes to the Muslim community, the Government are clear
that we will not tolerate any anti-Muslim hatred, in any form,
and that we will seek to stamp it out wherever it occurs. We have
some of the strongest legislation in the world to tackle hate
crime. We have supported organisations such as Tell MAMA with
nearly £5 million between 2016 and 2023 to monitor and combat
anti-Muslim hatred. That, as well as many other provisions and
resources led by this Government, is a reflection of our
commitment to protecting those communities who feel
vulnerable.
Madam Deputy Speaker ( )
I call .
(Carmarthen East and
Dinefwr) (Ind)
Diolch, Madam Deputy Speaker. Welsh universities play a vital
role in the Prevent strategy in Wales, and their work is
monitored by the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales.
Higher education is devolved, so what discussions will the Home
Secretary have with Welsh Ministers about the proposed reforms?
What input did Welsh Ministers have into the review?
The hon. Gentleman mentioned universities. An important feature
of William Shawcross’s report is what he says about the extent of
anti-Prevent activity on university campuses. Indeed, some of the
tragic cases that he describes involve instances in which
terrorists who have brought terror and destruction to innocent
victims in the UK have been effectively radicalised on campuses.
It is vital that we take meaningful steps to ensure that there is
no platform for these campaigns within universities, and that
misrepresentations of Prevent are deterred.
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