Moved by Lord Storey That this House takes note of the regional
distribution of Arts Council England funding and its impact on
regions outside of London. Lord Storey (LD) My Lords, I express my
gratitude to my noble friend Lord McNally for securing this debate.
I am sure that the House hopes that he will recover from Covid
quickly. I also thank the Government Whips’ Office for being so
understanding. In the late 1960s and 1970s, Liverpool city’s logo
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That this House takes note of the regional distribution of Arts
Council England funding and its impact on regions outside of
London.
(LD)
My Lords, I express my gratitude to my noble friend for securing this debate. I am
sure that the House hopes that he will recover from Covid
quickly. I also thank the Government Whips’ Office for being so
understanding.
In the late 1960s and 1970s, Liverpool city’s logo was “City of
Change and Challenge”. It was very much the era of tearing down
and starting again, not always for the better. During this
period, the Everyman Theatre was born, embodied by the enormous
talents of Martin Jenkins, subsequently to become a leading BBC
drama producer, Terry Hands, later to become an associate of the
RSC, and Peter James, who, after opening the new Crucible Theatre
in Sheffield, went on to the Lyric Hammersmith. Those early days
for the theatre were confined to Mondays, Tuesdays and
Wednesdays. The entire theatre personnel were always involved in
final preparations for a production: sawing, laying wires,
painting and everything needed for the opening night of a
show.
Despite its burgeoning reputation, the theatre continued to lead
a hand-to-mouth existence for several years before Arts Council
funding made it secure. Its presence on Hope Street, along with
the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic, led to a cultural renaissance
of the area, which, thanks to Arts Council funding, has seen this
once deprived community grow from strength to strength. It is now
called the Georgian Quarter of the city and overflows with venues
and restaurants. Importantly, it is a centre for the arts,
because as well as the Everyman and the Philharmonic there is the
Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts and the Unity Theatre—all
thanks to the initial Arts Council funding. Art can and does
regenerate communities.
In the 1970s, Prescot, a small town on Merseyside, saw huge job
losses at the Pilkington glass manufacturer and British Insulated
Callender’s Cables. Both major industries closed down and moved
overseas. Over the years, Prescot has slowly declined. Now, it is
the theatre that is coming to the rescue of the community, with
the Shakespeare North Playhouse, the Prescot Shakespeare theatre
of the north, having opened. Arts Council funding will be crucial
as the theatre becomes part of the regeneration story of that
community.
So the issue of regional distribution of Arts Council England
funding touches on two different but equally significant matters.
First, there is the economic factor of granting places other than
London their fair share of opportunities for growth and
development. From this perspective, cultural institutions
constitute powerful engines of economic growth, which they are
more than capable of being. Secondly, there is the cultural
factor. Historically, as Darren Henley, the chief executive
officer of Arts Council England, admitted, cities other than
London have been underserved in this regard. The concentration of
cultural investment in London results in the creation of a kind
of black hole, siphoning creative industries, talent and
institutions from around the United Kingdom into the capital.
Both those perspectives reveal the decades-old practice of
neglect that results in many cities suffering from a cultural
deficit, denying them the prestige and economic rewards of
successful artistic institutions. Worse still, this means that
hundreds of thousands of people, particularly those who are
underprivileged or living on tighter budgets, have virtually no
opportunity to access arts and benefit from them. That is a
serious problem. Study after study shows that interaction with
the arts positively influences people’s mental health, helps with
depression and anxiety, and builds bridges between cultures and
worldviews. In other words, it is a vital part of the existence
of a civilised society, and no one should be denied it.
The current disparities between the capital and other cities and
between the wealthy and the underprivileged can be resolved only
locally through education; by teaching young people how to enjoy
the arts, helping them to develop the tenderness needed to do so,
and assisting them in the recovery of the wealth of experience
waiting behind the doors of theatres, operas, philharmonics,
museums and galleries. However, in order to do so, such places
must first exist within reach of those people, which in many
cities and towns is simply not the case. For that reason, I very
much welcome Arts Council England’s decision to increase funding
granted to artistic organisations outside London, as well as its
encouragement for London-based organisations to relocate to less
culturally overserved cities. That is a much-needed policy change
and will help to address some of the most pressing inequalities
in our country.
At the same time, it is incredibly important that this historic
change is carried out carefully and prudently. It is a fact that
decades of preferential treatment made London one of the most
culturally and artistically fascinating places in Europe, and
indeed in the world. It is a source of immense soft power, an
economic and creative powerhouse, and the pride of our country.
We must ensure that levelling up does not come at the cost of
defunding high-quality arts in our capital city, which would
result in London lagging behind other European capitals. Rather,
its wealth of expertise and talent should be leveraged to support
other cities in developing their own cultural industries, not
sacrificed on the altar of misunderstood equality.
It has been said many times in this Chamber, but perhaps it needs
to be repeated once again, that, in levelling up, we want to help
other regions to develop and grow, not to drag London down just
because it is simpler to do so. Unfortunately, it appears that
Arts Council England’s latest funding allocations have partially
fallen victim to the easier version of levelling up. Such cuts
come at the worst time, as the creative sector’s recovery
continues to be hampered by soaring costs due to the
cost-of-living crisis. Take, for example, the funding of £17
million that has been allocated to move English National Opera.
That amount is far from what is needed to undertake a relocation
on this scale, let alone to invest in and improve on the existing
infrastructure. In effect, it is removing funding from the ENO
and forcing it to move out of London at a few weeks’ notice, with
no consultation or concrete plan for the transition. Arts Council
England seems to pursue an oversimplified vision that lets it use
a narrative of “levelling up” without doing any real long-term
work to make it succeed in practice.
It is true that most British cities need and deserve better
access to opera, especially so since Arts Council England cut the
funding of the Welsh National Opera and Glyndebourne touring,
effectively cancelling two very successful undertakings that
bring opera to people throughout England. At the same time,
however, simply transplanting a 100 year-old institution with
hundreds of employees from London to another city as a solution
is not the best way to proceed.
If Manchester suffered from a deficit of green areas, would the
Government propose to dig out a decades-old tree from Hyde Park
and move it 160 miles north? Of course, it would be theoretically
possible to do so, but it would also be ridiculously expensive
and inefficient, and the tree in all likelihood would not survive
the operation. The same can be said of English National Opera. It
is firmly rooted in London, thriving in the ecosystem that was
carefully cultivated for years and at the same time sustaining a
symbiotic relationship with its audience. The very proposition to
move it is controversial; to attempt to do so with virtually no
preparation would be simply an act of lunacy.
What is more, without English National Opera, London will have
just one major opera company, the Royal Opera House, which offers
a different opera experience, perhaps at the luxury end of the
market. Berlin and Paris each have three opera companies; Vienna
has four. Not only does this mean fewer opportunities to engage
with opera and art, but it threatens the jobs of over 600 skilled
art workers, including musicians and technical and support staff,
who are embedded in the wider London cultural scene. This reduces
opportunities for new rising stars who, in turn, will be more
likely to work abroad, and puts an already challenged industry at
even greater risk.
I ask Arts Council England to reconsider its approach to operas,
especially since it casts a shadow on an otherwise well-designed
and much-needed set of proposals. The overall direction of the
policy is most welcome, and I am very much looking forward to the
long-term benefits that it will bring to our towns and cities. I
only hope it will not come at the expense of some of the most
accessible and progressive operas this country has known.
Instead, I am hopeful that the steadfast support that they have
received—with 77,000 people so far signing a petition—will be
enough to convince Arts Council England, and indeed the
Government, to reinstate the funding and continue their mission.
I also hope that the expertise and experience of these
institutions will be used to replicate their success, not lost in
a misguided attempt to make funding distribution look more
appealing on paper.
We are so fortunate in the UK to have such a wealth of
world-leading arts institutions They are good for the soul of the
nation, they sustain a burgeoning creative arts sector and they
can lead to the regeneration of whole communities. I remember
how, when Liverpool won European Capital of Culture in 2008, it
was the rocket fuel to drive the city economically and culturally
forward. Arts Council England needs always to ensure that the
rocket fuel is distributed equitably and fairly.
3.53pm
(Con)
My Lords, I declare my interests as in the register but, to give
a little more detail, I have been an adviser at DCMS for the last
six years. I started as a non-executive director and am now the
commissioner for culture. I sit on a whole variety of different
boards, panels and committees, and meet regularly with
arm’s-length bodies, including the Arts Council. I should also
add that I am on the board of the Ashmolean Museum at the
University of Oxford, which is an Arts Council NPO.
I am very grateful to the noble Lord, , for securing this debate and
to the noble Lord, , for setting out the argument
so clearly. We had an excellent debate on this subject last week,
which I read in Hansard. An enormous amount was covered, and it
was very clear that everybody felt equally about the importance
of culture, the enormous amount of talent and skills that we have
in this country and how vital it is for the Government to
intervene and have policies that take care of it.
In fact, it was only a few years ago, in 2016, that my noble
friend Lord Vaizey launched the culture White Paper, which
covered this really clearly. It covered all the different areas
that government can get involved with, including looking after
culture for its intrinsic value, beauty and joy and the
excellence that it can bring to people around the country. It
also looked at the power that culture has, as the noble Lord,
, said, to improve the economy
of places and society’s health and well-being, as well as its
importance in soft power and so on. I am very pleased that we are
having a similar debate today; in fact, I hope that we will
continue to have this debate.
One important example of cultural policy—cultural intervention,
if you like—is Arts Council England’s national portfolio
organisation round, which is the first one we have had for five
years because the scheme was interrupted by Covid. I too welcome
this policy. Of course, noble Lords will not like every single
one of Arts Council England’s 1,700 decisions—there was a record
number of applicants this time round—but, in my view, it has
succeeded in coming up with an excellent portfolio.
I visit a lot of cultural organisations around the country.
Wherever I go, I am normally joined by someone from one of our
arm’s-length bodies. In every case, whether they are from Arts
Council England, Historic England or the National Lottery
Heritage Fund, they have such deep expertise and knowledge of
towns, places, politics and cultural structure that I am often
amazed. This portfolio was constructed by region and area
councils, using a lot of information from applicants with deep
local knowledge, and was ultimately approved by Arts Council
England’s national council, on which my noble friend Lady Fleet
sits. So it is very much a collective decision.
I am pleased with the portfolio, which includes quite a lot of
vitality in the sense that it includes 276 new organisations for
the very first time. London remains the biggest region funded by
Arts Council England, but its funding outside London has
increased by 22%, which is the general direction of travel that
it has been moving in for some time. People often think that Arts
Council England funds only the performing arts, but the range of
organisations that it funds is much wider. It includes museums,
literature, some heritage and so on; there is a lot of other
material in there.
Some of my favourite organisations in this round include Mind the
Gap, a wonderful organisation in Bradford—it is probably the
leading one in the UK—that helps learning-disabled children in
performance and the arts. It is an incredible organisation; its
grant was increased by 25%. I am also a big fan of museums. A
number of museums were in the portfolio for the first time,
including Blackburn Museum and Art Gallery, Bradford Museums and
Galleries and Rotherham Museum. Tyne & Wear Archives &
Museums is a stalwart and is now the biggest museum NPO in the
country. Another one of my favourites, to give noble Lords an
idea of the variety here, is the North Yorkshire Moors
Railway—also a new entrant in this round. It is an organisation
responsible for 1,000 jobs, 1,000 volunteers and 300,000
visitors.
So, in my view, we have a very good portfolio. However, Arts
Council NPO status is not a necessary condition for success. Last
week, the Minister referred to the Culture Recovery Fund, through
which we were able to award grants to more than 5,000
organisations—clearly many more than even applied to Arts Council
England. There is a massive arts and culture economy out there
and not all of it requires Arts Council NPO backing. Also, the
portfolio will change again next time. In many ways, it is good
that the portfolio changes and that organisations both come in
and leave. It is an indicator of vitality and life, and an
indicator that Arts Council England is alive to investing in new
places, new areas and new people.
I want to explain to noble Lords that Arts Council England NPO
funding is not the only cultural intervention that arm’s-length
bodies—or government, for that matter—make. Over the past few
years, since I have been at DCMS, there have been many
extraordinary initiatives and projects that continue to help the
Government invest in the cultural sector, which they see as
extremely important, from some smaller interventions to larger
ones.
For example, the noble Lord, , referred to the European
Capital of Culture. Our City of Culture programme is really
successful. We have had Hull in recent years, Coventry has just
finished and we are looking forward to Bradford in 2025. It looks
as if there has been almost £700 million in investment into Hull
over the last few years, partly as a result of that, and £173
million has gone into Coventry directly as a result of City of
Culture. We know that, as the noble Lord said, in Liverpool it
was the booster, the rocket that went under it. It is no accident
that the Liverpool cultural sector represents 50% of the revenues
into that city. I regularly meet the cultural director there,
Claire McColgan, and organisations such as the Everyman, the
Liverpool Phil, National Museums Liverpool and Liverpool
Cathedral. It all comes together to make the place an incredibly
lively whole.
We have also had the cultural investment fund, a £250 million
manifesto commitment. We are halfway through giving out a number
of grants, and in a recent round we gave out funds from DCMS for
culture-related projects in Barnsley, Berwick-upon-Tweed,
Stockport, Torbay, Middlesbrough and the Isle of Wight. I am
trying to give noble Lords an impression of the other things
going on in this area, levelling up the country and introducing
regional fairness to cultural intervention. Historic England has
a wonderful programme called high streets heritage action zones,
through which it invests in places street by street, with 67
towns and cities receiving almost £100 million of government
money.
Partly as a result of the pandemic, over the last few years there
have been some very large interventions, such as the Culture
Recovery Fund and the film and television restart fund, both
approved by the then Chancellor and now Prime Minister. As a
result of the film and television restart fund alone, during the
pandemic film and television had a record year: £5.6 billion of
spend around the country. We are looking forward to the
announcement soon of the second round of the levelling-up fund,
which I hope will include a large number of culture projects.
Please look out for that over the next period.
I hope the Minister will agree with me that these sorts of
cultural interventions are more important than ever, and it is
more important than ever that distribution is fair to maximise
the opportunity for people all over the country to experience
culture and to work in these fast-growing sectors.
4.02pm
of Knighton (CB)
My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord
Mendoza—although, listening to him, I imagine many organisations
feel, “Why are we worrying? Why are we upset by what has
happened?” I hope to point out exactly why that might be.
I want to start by looking at this problem from the Government’s
point of view. I am a fan of levelling up. I agree that we need
to get more funds around the country, and the noble Lord, , pointed out exactly the kind
of things. In fact, from my experience as a composer—having
worked with the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra, Opera
North and festivals such as Aldeburgh, Bath and Presteigne—I
realise what this brings to local communities. They always
especially say, “I can’t get to London”, so it means even more to
them. I can also see, from the Government’s point of view, how
difficult it is to recut the cake and redistribute the money at
this sort of level. I think the Arts Council made some serious
errors; I will come to that in a moment, but I hope in a
constructive way.
The background of Covid and Brexit, as mentioned in the debate
last week that both noble Lords referenced, is a telling factor.
A lot of these companies were on very tricky ground before the
cuts were announced, so you have to add to that what this will
mean. On the shop floor, I am hearing from organisations,
orchestras, theatre companies and dance companies that—despite
the reassurance given last week by the noble Lord, , that work is being done to
assist touring—they are very nervous about the prospect of
affording touring because of the incredible complications and
expense of sorting out visas.
I again ask the Minister a question that he must be bored with
hearing me ask, so I apologise. Given that the noble Lord, , who represented the Government
in these negotiations, has admitted that the Government got this
wrong, why will they not put it right? Nobody is saying we are
going to cancel Brexit—I realise that is not a possibility—but
fine-tuning must be possible. I get the sense that there are
people in Downing Street who would like that, but I dare say they
are up against those who will not give an inch as far as Brexit
is concerned. That is something the entire creative industry
would love to see, and I do not think it too big an ask.
In some senses, in order to rob Peter to pay Paul, we have robbed
them both. On many occasions in this House, I have commended the
help that gave the creative industries,
and I reiterate how grateful we were for that. But it seems crazy
that the future of some of those big organisations, which
received large amounts of money, is now in doubt because we are
going to take such large amounts back. That surely has to be
looked at.
On touring, I was on the Arts Council committee that identified
areas of the country that were underprovided for in terms of
opera. We came up with a list. The problem is that these cuts
undo some of the very work that the Arts Council did.
Glyndebourne Touring and the Welsh National Opera go to the
places we identified. There has to be a continued line of
thinking here.
I come to one or two of the other groups that have suffered. Here
is an example of what we might do: why did the Arts Council not
talk to the ENO, without uprooting it to Manchester? Anybody who
has worked in an opera house—I was on the board of the Royal
Opera House and have written three operas—will tell you that you
cannot uproot an opera company and put it somewhere else,
especially when something like Opera North is already there.
I was on the board of the Royal Opera House when it shut down for
refurbishment and it was seriously suggested that we should shut
the Royal Ballet for two years. Luckily, I was able to get in
touch with one or two funders, such as and Vivien Duffield. When I
told them that this was being planned, they rang up and said,
“You can say goodbye to all our funding”, because anybody who
knows anything about art knows you cannot just stop training.
Like an Olympic athlete or the England football team, you have to
train all year round. What about all those young dancers coming
through? That idea was scotched very soon.
May I draw a medical analogy? While I completely agree that we
need funds around the country, there are specialist groups which
earn their money. Take the London Sinfonietta, which has lost 41%
of its grant. You could say that the work it commissions is niche
or the high end of contemporary music, but this is the one
company doing it. In my mind, this is not unlike how, in London,
we need one or two centres of excellence, because you cannot have
that excellence around the country. Think of neurosurgery, for
example; many cases will be referred to the hospital in Queen
Square, which is so good at it. A child with a terrible
paediatric problem will be referred to Great Ormond Street. There
is nothing against having one or two centres of excellence that
specialise, such as the London Sinfonietta.
Many companies, such as the Britten Sinfonia, cannot understand
why they have been cut, given that they have made huge efforts to
do what the Arts Council said it wanted. Britten Sinfonia has
involved 8,000 children in the east of England and commissioned
more than 250 works. It travels to Addenbrooke’s to play music to
patients, and it travels to His Majesty’s Prison Whitemoor. What
more do you want? That is going out of London, making a base in
Cambridge and involving the local community.
We really have to be careful—rather as with our debate tomorrow
about the BBC licence fee—that we do not throw the baby out with
the bath-water. This is what I fear about one or two aspects of
this. I would like to quote my fellow Cross-Bench Peer, my noble
friend Lady Bull, because she made a very telling point about the
Arts Council redistribution in the debate last week. She
said:
“My view is that this rethinking should not have been demanded
within the short timeframe of a single funding round. In doing
so, the February directive from the then Culture Secretary gnawed
at the fingers of the arm’s-length principle. Planning for such a
fundamental shift requires a much longer horizon if it is to
avoid destabilisation, particularly within a sector still
recovering from the pandemic, and if it is to lead to sustainable
and positive change that delivers for all communities across all
parts of the UK.”—[Official Report, 8/12/22; cols.286-87.]
So, yes, let us level up, but with rather more caution than has
been shown so far, and more planning and more dialogue with the
people concerned.
4.11pm
(Con)
My Lords, let me declare my interests as a trustee of Tate and
chairman of the Parthenon Project, the campaign to return the
Parthenon sculptures back to Athens, where they so richly deserve
to belong. May I also take this opportunity to be the first noble
Lord to wish my noble friend Lord Valerian Freyberg a happy
birthday. It is a depressing moment when your friend’s younger
brother turns 52 and you realised just how old you are.
I want to begin with a positive note, which is to say that I am
an enormous fan of the Arts Council and its leadership. I think
Darren Henley has been, until recently, a chief executive without
fault. He has handled an incredibly difficult brief extremely
well, constantly having to manage a budget that is quite tight
and narrow, managing cuts—cuts which I also imposed when I was an
Arts Minister—and he has very rarely dropped the ball when
dealing with hundreds of different arts organisations, as the
noble Lord, , pointed out. We have now an
incredibly distinguished chairman of the Arts Council in Nick
Serota, who led the Tate for so many years. We are blessed with
many other arts quangos, if I can call them that, like English
Heritage, which do an outstanding job.
I think we forget in this country that we have a fantastic system
of arts funding. It sits neatly in between the US system of
almost entirely private funding and the European system of almost
entirely state funding. I think that tripartite system of
government support, philanthropy and commercial income works
extremely well. Government support acts as a catalyst for many of
our arts organisations, but they still have room to be very
entrepreneurial and innovative. I should mention in passing that
I wrote to the Timesa couple of weeks ago, to remind them of the
existence of what was the Prince of Wales philanthropy medal.
When King Charles was Prince of Wales, for about five or six
years he awarded a medal every year to five philanthropists to
recognise their contributions specifically to the arts. I hope at
some stage the Minister, who is so brilliant at his job—he is
really outstanding—will find a way to have a quiet word with the
Palace about perhaps making this a proper honour to mark the
start of the King’s reign.
I always complain that the Government do not fund the arts
generously enough, but it is also important that we acknowledge
that arts funding in its wider sense is extremely broad and deep.
For example, we have the BBC and tax credits for theatres and
museums and for television, video games and film—all of which I
regard as arts subjects. We also have our regimental museums
funded by the Ministry of Defence and the City of London putting
approximately £100 million a year into the arts. We have our
local councils and our universities—my noble friend mentioned that he is on the
board of the Ashmolean, a university museum. We have charities:
the National Trust runs more museums than any other organisation
in the country. We have an incredibly rich ecosystem and very
wide and deep arts funding—which, if you added it all up, would
probably come to a couple of billion, if not £3 billion, a
year—so we are incredibly lucky. Of course, we also have the
private sector, including Sky Arts, the Bridge Theatre, a range
of private organisations, a thriving music industry, and a
publishing industry which never gets enough attention because it
does not get an enormous amount of government money, if any.
Again, we forget about the rich ecosystem we have in the private
sector.
I will pick up on what the noble Lord, , said when he opened the
debate. I was pleased to listen to his speech, because, while he
knows a lot more about Liverpool than me, I have spent a lot of
time in the city and in Tate Liverpool. We can go to almost any
city or big town in the country and see how arts funding can be
transformative—and not just in Liverpool; I was thinking about
NewcastleGateshead, which effectively created a tourism economy
on the back of places such as the Baltic and Sage Gateshead.
Another example is Yorkshire Sculpture Park. If you go to
Margate, you will see the incredibly galvanising effect that
Turner Contemporary has had on it. To complete the picture: there
is the amazing work that Roger De Haan of Saga has done just down
the road in Folkestone based purely on philanthropy. There you
can see—in miniature, if you like—the incredibly galvanising
effect that culture can have.
So, when we have complaints to make, we should all realise just
how lucky we are in this country. My first complaint is that we
never have enough leadership from the Government to make that
point about the arts again and again. It remains, on both sides
of the House, an embarrassment for politicians to be seen
engaging in and supporting the arts; they are still
regarded—ridiculously, in my view—as too elitist, but we should
sing from the rooftops the contributions that the arts make all
over the country. I pause here to praise my noble friend on the incredible work he has
done as cultural commissioner, particularly during Covid. He was
kind enough to mention my White Paper, but, in the privacy of the
Chamber, I reveal that he actually wrote it—please do not tell
anyone else.
Before she speaks, I also praise my noble friend Lady Fleet, who
has done some fantastic work on music education. I was not able
to be present in her debate on music education, but her 10-year
review has been widely welcomed and is much needed. Again, that
is a good example of how government departments can join up—in
that case, the Department for Education and DCMS—to push an
important agenda.
Talking about music education, I must segue into the one misstep
that the Arts Council has made: its absurd decision on the
English National Opera, which was taken at short notice and with
no consultation at all. People are involved in that decision, not
just the singers and orchestra but all the backroom staff. I must
also mention the chairman, Harry Brünjes, who has led the ENO for
nine years. Not only is he unpaid, but he has put his own money
into ENO. It has been a pretty thankless task for him to turn
around an organisation that was at a very low ebb nine years ago
and widely derided, to get it to the position it is in now: a
popular organisation welcoming many young people through its
doors who have never seen opera before, engaging in health—for
example, through its ENO Breathe campaign to help people with
long Covid—and getting out to the regions. He has done everything
and more that any Government could ask. His reward, effectively,
was a kick in the teeth from the Arts Council. It is
unforgiveable—and I say that as someone who has the utmost
respect for Darren Henley and the Arts Council.
That was a terrible decision, and it should have been given with
much more notice. If there will ever be another decision like
that, it should be made as part of a wider strategy stating what
the provision for opera is, how we deliver opera as a product—I
know this sounds very managerial—most effectively around the
country and what role the ENO can play in that. It may sound
sentimental to cite individuals, including Stuart Murphy, the
chief executive officer, but that is no way to treat people; it
sends a terrible signal, and the Arts Council must look again at
that decision.
I want to mention two or three other things, very quickly. It is
the 70th anniversary of the Reviewing Committee on the Export of
Works of Art and Objects of Cultural Interest. If any noble Lord
gets the chance to serve on it, do—it is wonderful. It is like
“The Generation Game”: various arts and treasures come in front
of you and you decide whether they are part of our cultural
fabric. I was lucky enough to stop Jane Austen’s ring being
exported to the American popstar Kelly Clarkson; she was very
decent about it. It is a reminder that we care very much about
cultural objects being linked to our island’s story, just as our
friends the Greeks care very much about the Parthenon sculptures,
which should be reunited with the frieze in Athens. As the
Minister knows full well, although he cannot say so as he is
feeling sort of butch and robust about the whole thing, the
frieze is like a movie that has been cut in half, with half of it
having been taken, against the will of its owners, to another
country. That is another thing that must be remedied.
Finally—as the yellow lights flash—one of the key things about
levelling up that we should never forget is digital: we can and
should get organisations based in London to audiences outside
London. It is difficult to measure what a “London organisation”
is: Tate has an SW1 address but a presence in Liverpool and St
Ives; the National Theatre has an SE1 address but National
Theatre Digital is in all our schools, for free.
In conclusion, I fully endorse everything that the noble Lord,
, said about touring. It
really is ridiculous, when we have this incredible cultural scene
in this country, that we cannot sort out any help for our
musicians for touring in Europe.
4.21pm
(Non-Afl)
My Lords, I welcome this opportunity to discuss the regional
distribution of Arts Council England funding. I thank the noble
Lords, and , for the chance to raise some
concerns.
First, no arts organisation should feel entitled to perpetual
state funding as a right. It is totally appropriate to review and
shake up which projects and whose artistic output merits public
funds. But what is so striking in this funding round is that the
criteria do not even pretend to be based on artistic merit at
all, but seem to be purely political and, even more crassly,
geographic.
The DCMS instruction to redistribute funding away from London has
some winners, and I am delighted for both Blackburn and
Bradford’s museums and art galleries, and for the Barnsley-based
Brass Bands England, which has received funding for the first
time, among many others—good luck to them. I am from the north,
and it is great to say that we will support the arts in the
north; I have no problem with that. But I am slightly anxious
about the overall trajectory that reveals a patronising attitude
to northern audiences and potentially a philistine attitude to
the arts, nowhere better exemplified than in the plight of
English National Opera.
Like others—in this, I uncharacteristically fully agree with the
noble Lord, Lord Vaizey—I was shocked by the Arts Council’s
treatment of English National Opera. Effectively, its chorus and
orchestras are being closed down; they have been sacked. When the
Arts Council announced the move, it did so with an ungracious and
high-handed ultimatum, which I want to quote:
“ENO’s future is in their hands … We require English National
Opera to move to another part of England if they wish to continue
to receive support from us.”
But the financial offer it has been given is actually only half
its usual budget, so I want to ask whether the Arts Council
thinks that those in the north do not deserve full funding of the
arts, and should make do with a cut-price, pound shop version of
English National Opera.
Such cultural vandalism feels like virtue signalling, devoid of
serious strategic thinking and forced through at speed. When
Birmingham Royal Ballet relocated from London in the 1980s, it
was undertaken with five years’ consultation with audiences,
staff and its new venue home, but there has been no consultation
in this instance. The move has to be completed in five months,
and the Arts Council has not even bothered to consider where ENO
might take up residence; it just has to go “up north”.
One venue that might work given its size is Factory
International, Manchester’s soon-to-be multimillion-pound arts
venue, itself a recipient of Arts Council funding. But no one
asked it, and it has made it clear that it will not change its
contemporary focus to accommodate the new tenant. Artistic
director John McGrath stated that its goals are
“new works, not the traditional opera repertoire.”
What about the Grand, in Leeds, which has the largest stage in
England outside of London? But no—it already hosts the wonderful
Opera North. Indeed, the whole venture of moving ENO north seems
to be a slap in the face for Opera North, the director of which,
Richard Mantle, points out:
“It’s not a new idea to have a large professional opera company
performing opera in the North; we’ve been doing it for 40
years”.
Somehow, in the debates about opera prompted by this ENO issue,
we perhaps get a hint of what the Arts Council’s views are on
both opera and its relationship to northern audiences, or to
audiences in general. Darren Henley, the chief executive of the
Arts Council, claims that opera needs to change to satisfy a new
generation of audiences, who he claims want
“opera … presented in new ways: opera in car parks, opera in
pubs, opera on your tablet.”
He suggests that such
“New ideas may seem heretic to traditionalists”.
They seem so to me. They are not novel or radical ideas, but they
are cheap and second-rate gimmicks, as far as I am concerned, and
they show a disparaging view of audiences and the art form. The
premise seems to be the cliché that traditional opera, including
some of the greatest music ever composed, appeals only to the
fusty, rich upper classes and the privileged.
I am reminded of the incident last July, when the Deputy Prime
Minister, , accused of being a champagne
socialist for going to Glyndebourne, as though she were betraying
somehow the working classes. I assume he was forgetting that,
historically, opera has been a popular art form, enjoyed by
millions of people of all social classes, all over the world.
Being priced out by expensive tickets or not being able to afford
to get the train to London is a problem, but it is very different
from the snobbish chippiness that seems to imbue the political
and artistic establishments’ implicit prejudice that the plebs
will not be interested in, or get, high art. This attitude was on
display recently, when the BBC announced that, in order to
attract viewers from lower socioeconomic D and E groups, it will
make “lighter” dramas, comedies and sports documentaries and use
“factual entertainment competition formats”—yuck. It seems that,
if you are poor, you will be given poor-quality programmes.
Perhaps that is too cynical, but the Arts Council director of
music, Claire Mera-Nelson, has justified attacks on ENO, which,
ironically, was set up nearly 100 years ago with the mission to
bring opera to the masses—a noble cause. She said that there is
insufficient growth in audience demand for traditionally staged
large-scale opera. This seems to be a real bean-counter’s
approach to the value of the arts. As acclaimed soprano Danielle
de Niese asks:
“Do we need to sell as many tickets as the O2 to be recognised? …
Should we declare war on everything that isn’t mainstream
enough?”
She asks whether all we will be left with is “reality TV”. She
then pleads with those who run the arts and politics to
“recognise opera’s value” as art per se. But that seems a forlorn
hope because valuing artistic excellence is often treated as an
elitist endeavour by too many in arts funding and policy
circles.
Since the Blair years and the setting up of the DCMS in the
1990s, arts organisations have been told that they must justify
their funding using wordy social and economic criteria. “Art for
art’s sake” arguments have too often been traduced as arcane,
old-fashioned and self-indulgent, and a focus on aesthetics is
assumed to alienate popular appeal. Arts organisations have been
forced by funding carrots and sticks to show their worth as
useful instruments in social and political change. It is true
that many in the arts world have embraced this mission over
recent years, with orchestras stressing that they are good for
health and well-being and theatres opining on their role as
community hubs. Often, these are defensive expressions,
expressing an existential crisis in arts organisations about
their role. In recent years, museums, galleries and classical
music have all indulged in angst-ridden introspection about their
alleged colonial roots and whiteness, and diversity and inclusion
targets mean that outward engagement projects obsess over the
age, skin colour and gender of audiences, rather than the
artistic quality of their output.
The effect of all this has been the cumbersome politicisation of
the arts world. There is too much “artivism” and propagandising
and an existential crisis about the role of the arts. It is no
surprise that Just Stop Oil activists feel free to desecrate
artistic masterpieces to save the planet. Art is considered
secondary to politics. All this emanates from the way that
artistic excellence has been squeezed out of arts funding. If you
look at the bureaucratic Arts Council development programmes,
drenched in acronym-laden managerial speak, the intrinsic worth
of art is barely visible. Utilitarianism rules the day. The
creative local growth fund, the cultural development fund and the
Great Place scheme all focus on local economic growth, unlocking
productivity and everything. We need that urgently to happen, but
it should have been in the Autumn Statement and not be forced on
the arts.
As I have gone on about dumbing down, I want to finish by giving
the Minister a bit of homework. I suggest that he and the Arts
Council learn about the artistic tastes of ordinary people by
reading The Intellectual Life of the British Working Class by
Jonathan Rose, to understand the rich history of autodidacts
thriving on intellectually challenging art and literature, and
the new pamphlet by the artist and art critic Alexander Adams,
Abolish the Arts Council, which critiques some of these
instrumentalising themes. It is selling out as we speak as a
stocking filler, but it is a good read.
4.31pm
The (CB)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, , for his excellent introduction
to this debate and to the noble Lord, , for originally tabling it. I
wanted particularly to speak in this debate rather than last
week’s debate because it is helpful to have a debate which
concentrates, at least in theory, just on the arts rather than
them being grouped with the creative industries, although last
week’s debate was clearly very helpful for this debate.
I strongly support the Arts Council model of funding for two
reasons: first, because public funding of the arts is a benefit
to us all for the whole of society; and, secondly, because to
enable that there should be a properly independent body that can
make decisions about to whom and where funding is to be awarded
without government interference. I emphasise “where” because that
will inevitably affect “whom”. Yet last Thursday, the day of the
arts and creative industries debate in this House, Darren Henley
made it very clear in oral evidence to the DCMS Select Committee
that the Arts Council was not asked but instructed—he used the
word “instruction”, as indeed has Nicholas Serota—by to shift a considerable
amount of money from London to the regions, in my view breaking
the arm’s-length principle and resulting in the controversial
cuts we are seeing to certain organisations.
I will ask the Minister again the question that the noble
Baroness, Lady McIntosh of Hudnall, asked in last week’s debate
but to which she did not receive a reply. Does he think it is
appropriate that the Secretary of State should instruct an
arm’s-length body? The unhealthy result of such interference and
uncertainty about where responsibility lies is the open but
extremely understandable lobbying, of not just the Arts Council
but Parliament, the Government, the press and the public that we
are now seeing from organisations which not only feel hard done
by but that the decision-making process is being levered by
government, and the two things may be connected.
It may be that the Minister, if he does answer this question,
will say simply that the Arts Council is an arm’s-length body,
but unfortunately that is not how it is currently being
perceived, as I hope the Minister will acknowledge. This needs to
be properly and constructively addressed by all the concerned
parties. I make these points irrespective of the particular
decisions that the Arts Council has made, although all of us,
perhaps more than usual, will have our personal views on these
decisions, and I will come to mine in a moment. Meanwhile, it is
worth pointing out that we have a new Secretary of State and the
instruction was made by a previous one. However, there should
never have been such an instruction if the Arts Council is to
remain an arm’s-length body.
We should not forget that these concerns are taking place against
the backdrop of long-term cuts to the arts, the necessary help
given in response to Covid notwithstanding. In the last 15 years,
the Arts Council’s grant in aid has decreased in real terms by
47%. Through Brexit, we have lost the funding from Europe, and
central government grants were cut by 37% in real terms between
2009-10 and 2019-20. Some councils do not now spend anything on
the arts at all. It has been reported that some councils are on
the verge of declaring bankruptcy. Now, of course, we have the
added stress of energy costs and inflation.
Unfortunately, the arts are going to be a long way down the list
of priorities for many councils, despite local authorities being
vital to many of our arts organisations, including museums and
regional theatres, which are particularly concerned about their
day-to-day running costs. The noble Lord, Lord Bassam, pointed
out in a previous debate the necessary expenditure of specialist
lighting for museums and galleries—one instance of something that
cannot be got round. Irrespective of where you stand on
austerity, these long-term cuts need to be reversed. In the
debate last week, the noble Lord, , made this
pertinent observation:
“Fiscal austerity for the arts is not needed to salvage our
economy. The DCMS budget for the arts and culture is
indiscernible in the national accounts.”—[Official Report,
8/12/22; col. 280.]
I have argued for a long time that we can do much more to support
artists across the whole country, but that should be done through
an equitable funding model based on increases in funding, not
through redistribution of the kind that the former Secretary of
State insisted upon, which is surely a coarsening of the envelope
of funding available to the Arts Council. This has led inevitably
to the “invidious choices”—the Arts Council’s own term—that it
has felt it has had to make. If £43.5 million is being made
available to the regions—which is very welcome—why are these cuts
still being insisted upon?
There is another significant consideration: the growing concern
that the Arts Council, in the absence of other funding, is trying
to take on too wide a range of projects. In particular, there is
concern that through the Let’s Create strategy, it is losing its
focus on what should be its core project—the funding of artists
and arts production by professional artists—and shifting that
focus instead to amateur community projects, particularly in
areas of the country where cultural engagement is low, as the
Independent Society of Musicians has pointed out. There is
absolutely a place for such projects, and they should be funded,
but the funding of professional artists and arts organisations
should not be sacrificed in their favour. It is notable that the
cuts over which there is so much current concern are aimed at
organisations involving or directly impacting on professional
artists and their co-workers.
Much of the focus on these cuts has been, quite rightly, on
classical music and opera, but theatre and the visual arts have
also been impacted. Here, there are also potential knock-on
effects in terms of the production of new art. The Hampstead and
Gate Theatres in London and the Watermill Theatre in Newbury,
which have all had their funding cut entirely, all support new
writing. Hampstead Theatre has said that it will not now be able
to support its new writers programme, so I ask the Minister
whether new new writers programmes are intended to be set up
elsewhere in the country. If so, how will they be supported in
the longer term? The danger is that removing funding from these
flagship theatres, as the Writers’ Guild and playwrights
themselves point out, will simply lead to more risk-averse
programming, less commissioning and less new writing
everywhere.
There are cuts to significant London gallery spaces. The
wonderful Camden Art Centre—I am looking forward to seeing the
Forrest Bess exhibition there—and the Serpentine Galleries are
nationally important spaces which put on international work by
visual artists. If these spaces are diminished, the whole country
will be diminished in terms of the visual arts.
There is an ecology of mutual support between London and the
regions, the great danger then being that if you hurt the arts in
London, you will also hurt artists and audiences for the arts in
the regions. Cuts in London will have a nationwide impact, and
this will be true in the business sense as well. As the Heart of
London Business Alliance said in a letter to the Financial Times
last month:
“Central London’s dynamic arts sector and rich culture and
experiences make the West End such a unique and special place,
bringing in millions of tourists every year. Many of these
visitors go on to visit other parts of the UK contributing £641mn
to local economies in 2019. It is hard to avoid the conclusion
that short-changing London is going to make us all culturally and
financially poorer while making the UK a less attractive
destination for visitors.”
London is not just the place that has historically received the
most money for the arts. It is also the country’s centre of
business and the major centre of higher education for the arts;
and the galleries, theatres and concert halls there belong to the
country as much as to London. For things to change radically from
the present asymmetry, which I do not dispute, we need the cuts
to grants for local authorities to be dramatically reversed. But
local government across the country should also have strong
revenue-raising powers, as regional government has in Germany,
where there is a much greater spread of arts geographically.
There are brilliant artists, arts organisations and events across
the whole of this country, but even in the digital age, the
natural tendency remains for artists to gravitate to the big,
powerful cities; artists and arts-producing organisations should
be funded wherever they are. The former Secretary of State’s
artificial arts engineering is not in the long run going to
change this tendency, even as it frustrates the arts. The way
forward is rather to empower our English regions and regional
cities politically and financially to allow artists to thrive
within them, and to be able to do so in the longer term.
4.41pm
(Con)
My Lords, it is a pleasure and also a challenge, I must say, to
speak today. I declare my arts and education interests as listed
in the register, including as a national council member of Arts
Council England. It is an honour to follow the noble Earl, who
speaks so passionately about the arts and with such
knowledge.
I congratulate my noble friends and Lord Vaizey for setting
out so clearly the case for levelling up. I shall not fully
defend that case, because we all see that there are flaws: I know
that several noble Lords have already expressed real regret at
the way the Arts Council has diverted significant funds from
London to regional areas. Instinctively, I have some sympathy. As
editor of the Evening Standard, I championed the arts and the
benefits that investment brought not just to London but to the
whole country. When I was a senior adviser in City Hall to the
then Mayor of London, , London was undoubtedly the
cultural capital of the world. As chair of Arts Council London
for eight years from 2010, I championed excellence and fought
hard to maintain London’s share, at over 40%, of the total
funding. It will now be around 33%.
I rejoined the Arts Council board earlier this year, two years
after the Let’s Create vision was envisioned. Of one thing I am
sure: we must continue to fight to retain London’s supremacy. I
know that it is hard in these difficult financial times, but
there are ways to do it. Undoubtedly, its theatres, music, dance
and visual arts are world-leading; no one in this Chamber could
be more pro-London than me. However—the “however” had to come—it
is surely important that access to arts and culture be more
fairly spread, not just for reasons of social justice, but
because culture and heritage, as many noble Lords have already
set out, bring pride to local communities and economic growth
too. Museums and arts organisations should be nurtured and
supported in every part of the country.
Additional funding will consolidate world-class organisations
outside of London, such as the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic, Ex
Cathedra choir in Birmingham and Opera North in Leeds, but also
newly funded organisations such as the Buxton Opera House and
Bradford Museums and Galleries—yet another mention in this
debate. I have seen how access to high-quality music, for
example, can change the lives of young people. Should not
children from all areas of the country benefit from this kind of
opportunity? Of course they should: we all agree about that. As
long as the newly funded organisations are delivering excellent
work and reaching new audiences, I think and really hope that the
levelling-up agenda could be acknowledged a success in a few
years’ time.
I am pleased that within the new Arts Council portfolio there are
excellent music education newcomers, such as Orchestras for All,
Awards for Young Musicians and the National Children’s Orchestra,
all based outside London and each contributing to the new
national plan for music education. Some critics of the Government
and the Arts Council have argued that levelling up will lead to
dumbing down. It will not, if the investment is made wisely in
organisations with a strong track record of producing excellent
work.
As a member of the National Council, I can assure noble Lords
that we are not all of one mind. There is rigorous debate, many
decisions are disputed and many decisions are not easy. I hope
the Arts Council will, in particular, think harder about
additional funding and opportunities for young playwrights,
musicians and artists, as several noble Lords have said, because
London is taking the brunt of the cuts and those young people
will undoubtedly be affected. The pipeline of talent is critical
for the future of our creative economy.
No one is arguing that decisions to withdraw funding from some of
the very best organisations are taken lightly. It will be
difficult and painful for them. However, I have confidence in the
creativity and passion of organisations such as the Donmar and
the Britten Sinfonia, and their capacity to survive and thrive.
Companies do find new ways of working. They build new business
plans. An example is the Orange Tree Theatre in Richmond, which
lost funding in 2014 and is now flourishing. Already, the
Hampstead Theatre, soon to leave the Arts Council portfolio, is
working up a new business plan which will continue to have new
writing at its heart.
The loss of funding can be very emotional, as we have seen in the
debate about the ENO. Many words of regret and even anger have
been heard in this Chamber and the other place about the new
proposals, yet I am cautiously optimistic. The ENO will
survive—of that I am certain. A model along the very successful
lines of the Royal Shakespeare Company, with a regional and a
London base, is now being considered. I have no doubt that this
is a huge challenge, but I am sure that with substantial support,
including very significant transitional funding and perhaps funds
from other pots of money from the Arts Council, as well as the
prospect of core funding in three years’ time, there can be a
future for the ENO. It will exist in a different way, but there
will be an ENO. This must of course include career opportunities
for young singers and instrumental musicians.
The Arts Council executive has taken a bashing for many of its
decisions. We in this House do want opera in opera houses, but
that does not mean it cannot be in some car parks too. We must
ensure that due regard is given to tradition, as well as
innovation, and that includes playing the national anthem—noble
Lords will know what I am referring to. We must ensure that the
critics of levelling up are not proved right. In the court of
public opinion, the Arts Council will be judged not on its
commendable diversity or environmental targets, but on whether
excellent art is being enjoyed by ever-increasing numbers of
people, right across the country.
We must ensure that London remains the cultural capital of the
world, and I will do my utmost as a member of Arts Council
England to help make sure that happens. I assure noble Lords that
I will fight in the trenches of the Arts Council to see what
additional funding is available; other pots of money can be found
to support these excellent organisations. When I hear the LSO’s
Sir Simon Rattle conduct Rachmaninoff’s Third Symphony, as I did
the other evening, or the LPO’s Ed Gardner conduct Mahler’s
Ninth, my heart, as one critic said, beats a little faster. Let
every heart across the country beat a little faster.
4.49pm
(CB)
My Lords, as the last speaker before the Front-Bench speakers, I
will focus my remarks, as others have today, on opera, and in
particular the ENO following the Arts Council’s recent decision
to withdraw all national programme funding from this
organisation. Like the noble Lord, Lord Vaizey, I am concerned
that Arts Council England, by its own admission, has made no
strategic nationwide assessment of the need or audience for
opera, yet, without consulting any opera companies, it has
reduced funding across all opera by £32 million. The ENO is asked
to relocate with a massive funding cut; the English touring
budget of Welsh National Opera is cut by a third, and as a
consequence it will no longer tour to Liverpool; and
Glyndebourne’s touring budget is cut by half.
With regard to the ENO’s relocation, it is neither realistic nor
compassionate for a large opera company to start moving to an as
yet undetermined location with 20 weeks’ notice after the
withdrawal of most of its funding. As the noble Baroness, Lady
Fox, rightly mentioned, when the Birmingham Royal Ballet moved
from Sadler’s Wells to Birmingham, it had 10 years from the first
conversation to the full move, including five years of
audience-building and local investment to grow the audience and
brand. You cannot achieve that in a few months. To withdraw so
much funding from the ENO at the same time as moving it would
make it impossible for regional audiences to enjoy the kind of
work that London audiences currently enjoy—which goes against the
principle of promoting greater access and fairness across the
nation.
It is worth stating that, before ACE’s latest decision, ENO was
already far advanced in developing a plan for much greater
regional representation, which would be interconnected with its
London base. This was based on ENO’s experience that high-quality
opera, of all kinds and in all places, is best achieved by
maintaining the resources of a permanent company of top-level
artists and technical staff. At Arts Council England’s new
funding level, this plan is now totally unachievable, as the new
funding level makes it impossible for ENO to maintain a
high-quality permanent opera company as a base.
The Arts Council seems to see a future for ENO which lies mainly
in small-scale projects with an undefined residue of grand opera,
but none of this has been made explicit or, it would seem,
thought through in any detail. For example, ACE states that it
wants ENO to keep the London Coliseum and perform there for some
of the year, letting it out commercially for the rest of the
time. Yet it does not seem to envisage the ENO as a company that
is, in fact, large enough to perform at the Coliseum at all.
The new funding level suggests that the Arts Council model is
more one of engaging freelancers as and when required, rather
than building quality and talent in a maintained opera company;
again, though, none of this is explicit. If the ENO is to be a
genuine national opera company, developing talent and creating
opera to the highest standards, it is hard to see how it can do
that without a permanent company within which to develop and
maintain those skills—and that is the case whether or not the
Arts Council feels that large-scale grand opera is worthy of
support. This is a major structural issue, with ramifications for
the ecology of opera nationwide. It requires far more careful
consideration and needs to be addressed as part of a coherent
national opera strategy.
One of the problems with the Arts Council’s process is the
complete lack of transparency in decision-making. The ENO met or
exceeded all the ACE targets. ACE considers it to be run in an
excellent way, yet it is impossible to find out what criteria ACE
used that resulted in it, and other well-run organisations, being
removed from the national portfolio. The suspicion is that Arts
Council England is no longer quite the arm’s-length body it is
supposed to be. I share the concerns of the noble Earl, . Dr Darren Henley, the CEO
of ACE, said in evidence to the Commons DCMS Select Committee on
8 December:
“We always receive instructions from the Secretary of State about
our grant-in-aid investment”
and that it
“needed to move money out of London”.
However, in a Written Answer published two weeks ago by the
Minister, the noble Lord, of Whitley Bay, the
Government stated:
“All decisions on which organisations to fund … and by how much,
have been taken by Arts Council England. In line with the
long-standing principle that the Arts Council makes such
decisions at arm’s length from Government, there are no plans to
ask it to reconsider these decisions.”
This is, of course, a contradiction. More clarity from both sides
is therefore required.
In conclusion, in the interests of all opera companies, audiences
and stakeholders, Arts Council England must remedy the confusion
it has caused by urgently conducting a nationwide review of the
provision of opera, taking into account audiences and need. It
should, if necessary, be prepared to amend its decisions
accordingly and it should be fully transparent about the criteria
it uses in its decision-making process.
4.55pm
(LD)
My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend on obtaining this debate—I am
just sorry that he is not here to participate—and my noble friend
on his brilliant introduction
to it. Debates on culture and levelling up are obviously like
buses: you wait for ages and then two come along in quick
succession. Perhaps I could tempt the Minister to treat this like
the Report stage of a Bill, when he attempts to give a better
answer to questions than he gave during the previous debate.
As my noble friend said, today’s debate is an
opportunity to celebrate and highlight the role of culture and
the arts in levelling up in the regions. We have heard some great
examples of the positive role of cultural levelling up in the
regions. He talked about the role of the arts in regeneration in
Liverpool and about the Prescot theatre of the north. He talked
about culture and the arts as a powerful engine of economic
growth, with benefits beyond the economy in health and education.
He also talked about the experience of being the European Capital
of Culture.
It was a pleasure to listen to the noble Lord, . He illustrated some great
examples in Bradford, Blackburn, Rotherham, and Tyne and Wear,
and the success of the City of Culture programme in Hull and
Coventry. The noble Lord, Lord Vaizey, who no doubt we all should
listen to on Friday evenings, talked about Gateshead, Margate and
Folkestone. The noble Baroness, Lady Fleet, talked about Buxton
Opera House.
So there were some wonderful examples there, but it is not all
roses, as the noble Lord, , made clear, even in the
regions—I will come to London shortly—and not just because we are
in a post-Covid situation. There are problems with touring post
Brexit, and inflation was mentioned by the noble Earl, . A number of factors are
contributing, but Arts Council decisions have impacted on the
regions as well. Liverpool has lost its main access to opera
because the Welsh National Opera has had its funding for work
across the border cut. It also performs in Bristol, Birmingham,
Southampton and Oxford, but it has suffered a 35% cut. How is
that levelling up? Glyndebourne, which has had a fantastic
touring programme in our towns and cities for 50 years, has had a
50% cut in its funding too.
Manchester should have its own opera company, of course. I was
very interested in the phrase used by the noble Baroness, Lady
Fox, about a “slap in the face for Opera North”. Abolishing the
grant to the Britten Sinfonia removes support for the only
serious orchestra serving eastern England, and Plymouth Music
Zone has lost its entire funding. I do not believe that is a good
catalogue that will encourage levelling up.
In particular, as a number of noble Lords have made clear,
levelling up should not be at the expense of a vibrant London
creative community and our brilliant London theatres and opera
houses. My noble friend started by making that absolutely clear.
The phrase used, I think by the noble Lord, , was “robbing Peter to pay
Paul”. That is the wrong way to go. There is nothing to be gained
by cutting the funding for creativity in London.
The noble Lord, , also described the role of
our London institutions as centres of excellence. Many of the big
London-based arts organisations take their productions and
exhibitions on tour throughout the UK, as the noble Lord, Lord
Vaizey, and my noble friend acknowledged. The noble
Baroness, Lady Fleet, seemed extraordinarily conflicted in what
she had to say, but I think she would agree with Caroline
Norbury, CEO of Creative UK, that
“levelling up cannot mean levelling down, and a rapid reduction
in support for world-class cultural organisations in London is
short-sighted.”
That diminishes us all, including our international reputation
for creativity.
We come on to what has actually happened with the funding. Two
London theatres mentioned by the noble Earl, , the Hampstead Theatre and
the Donmar—both such extraordinary centres of new writing for
decades—have lost their entire grant. The Gate, just recently
moved to Camden, has had its entire grant removed too. I noted
the optimism of the noble Baroness, Lady Fleet, but as a result
of these developments, Roxana Silbert has quit as the Hampstead
Theatre’s artistic director.
If anything, the ENO has been treated worse, with the total loss
of its £12.6 million core annual funding. The noble Lords, , Lord Vaizey—by the way, I
absolutely endorse his praise for Harry Brunjes, who has done an
incredible job for the ENO—and , my noble friend and the noble Baroness, Lady
Fox, focused a great deal on the entire situation as far as the
ENO is concerned.
Last week, the Minister acknowledged that London plays a special
role and gave a number of inspiring examples. As he said:
“Those institutions perform a levelling-up function in providing
a national stage on which people can perform.”—[Official Report,
8/12/22; col. 306.]
He then paid fulsome tribute to the ENO during the debate. That
is very little consolation, given the gun that has now been put
to the ENO’s head by the Arts Council. It is as if opera itself
was being singled out for ill treatment, and this is where I very
much agree with the noble Lord, . Surely the massive efforts
the ENO has made over the years to bring opera and performance to
diverse audiences—11% of ENO’s audience is ethnically
diverse—should have been recognised. It has the most diverse
full-time chorus in the country and provides free tickets for
under-21s. I could go on about its extraordinary education
programme, which was praised by Darren Henley himself. At the
same time, ENO’s productions are world beating, as anyone who has
seen its version of Philip Glass’s “Akhnaten” will attest to.
As it happens, the Major Government bought the Coliseum for ENO.
It now makes no sense at all to undermine that investment. As the
noble Lord, , indicated, is this an opera
thing? Berlin, Paris and Vienna have three opera houses. Is it
beyond our wit to fund two? Three of the five largest reductions
in funding were imposed on opera companies. Cutting public
support makes opera more elitist, not less.
The noble Lord, Lord Vaizey, also paid tribute—he is very good at
paying tribute to people, by the way—to Darren Henley, and I—
(Con)
I use this opportunity to pay tribute to the noble Lord, , and ask him
specifically why he has not replied to my text message inviting
him to appear as my guest this Friday on my Times Radio show.
(LD)
That is because I have not received it, but I look forward to
reading my text.
The noble Lord, Lord Vaizey, paid tribute to Darren Henley, as do
I, but he did not say that he now pays tribute; he paid tribute
to Darren Henley in the past. This has been a bungled funding
round with what I fear will be very adverse consequences for the
UK’s creative community. I liked the phrase from the noble
Baroness, Lady Fox: forced through at speed.
Last week, the Minister talked about cherishing the arm’s-length
relationship, but there is very little evidence of that. Arts
Council England is clearly having to work to the Government’s
strategy and timing, as Darren Henley said in his evidence to the
Communications and Digital Committee, and as was referred to by
the noble Earl, , and the noble Lord, :
“We were asked by the Government to move some money out of
London”—
it sounds almost illicit, does it not?—
“£16 million in year 1 and £24 million by the end of year 3.”
of Knighton (CB)
I am so sorry to interrupt the noble Lord as he is in full swing,
but I think the phrase was that they were “instructed”. That is
very important when we are talking about the arm’s-length
principle.
(LD)
We may have to correct the record because I looked at the
transcript and it did not say “instructed”. I am willing to look
again at that, and I am sure the Minister will have a quick
google and see whether or not that is the case.
Sir Peter Bazalgette, the former chair, makes the same point in
his November letter to the FT:
“Ace had been gradually moving resources outside London for some
time. In my time as chair we shifted both grant-in-aid and
lottery funding by 10 per cent, without suddenly cutting off
major institutions.”
He goes on to make exactly the same point about the fact that
this really was an instruction from to make a larger and sudden
distribution. What kind of independence is that? Many noble Lords
have made that point.
I am afraid the only conclusion is that the Minister has to
accept that he and his colleagues are presiding over the
settlement and should take full responsibility for this very
crude and destructive form of levelling up, rather than hiding
behind the Arts Council.
5.06pm
(Lab)
My Lords, like other noble Lords, I thank the noble Lord, , and congratulate him on
securing the debate. I wish him a speedy recovery from the
ghastly Covid. I express our eternal gratitude to the noble Lord,
, for opening the discussion in
his place so effectively, focusing as he did on Liverpool and its
regeneration in the late 1970s, based on a culture-led platform,
and for focusing so effectively on the plight of the ENO and the
impact of the cuts on London’s cultural landscape.
This has been a brilliantly illustrated debate. Noble Lords from
all sides have made fascinating contributions. I particularly
enjoyed the return of the noble Lord, Lord Vaizey, to this
subject; he always enlightens, illuminates and amuses our House.
He always congratulates people. That is almost a given; it comes
as part of the story and is always part of the rhetoric. I
enjoyed his contribution for many reasons, largely because I
agreed with most of what he said. It was also a delight to listen
to the noble Baroness, Lady Fleet, with her experience and her
understanding of the process, and to the input of the noble Lord,
. The noble Lords, and , and the noble Earl, , all made arguments that
were hard to disagree with.
Last week we had an extremely similar debate on the case for a
strategy to support the arts and our creative industries, which
probably gave the Minister a useful preview of many of the
similar points and arguments made today. Let us just hope that
the Government have lines that are more convincing than those he
deployed on that occasion.
The recent decisions by Arts Council England have attracted
significant interest. They have dominated our debate today, and
rightly so because that is the topic. A lot of it has focused on
the ENO, which has been mentioned many times by all speakers. In
a Commons adjournment debate secured by the Conservative MP
, several Conservative MPs voiced their displeasure at
not only the ENO decision but the underlying processes used by
the Arts Council. That is what we need to focus on.
The noble Lord, Lord Vaizey, described the ENO decision as
absurd, and I find it hard to disagree with that. He said he
thought it was unforgivable, which is absolutely true. Sir , the former Justice
Secretary and Lord Chancellor, labelled this a sorry saga,
criticising, as a number of noble Lords have today, the
suddenness of the decision, the abruptness of the withdrawal of
funding and the failure even to consider a phased approach. That
gets to the core of the problem. We all recognise that, at least
in theory, the Arts Council operates at arm’s length from
Whitehall. However, Ministers can exert influence in a number of
ways, and there have been plenty of suggestions that that is
exactly what has happened.
I would like to probe the Minister a bit more on this point,
because I have detected some inconsistency in the Government’s
response to recent events. On 5 December, in the Commons debate
cited earlier, the Minister, , said that the Arts Council’s
decisions
“were made entirely independently of Government, so I cannot
comment on the individual outcomes.”
He then took an intervention on whether the DCMS would overturn
the ENO decision. Mr Andrews said, in his next sentence, that
Ministers would intervene only if the organisation looked to
be
“breaching the terms set by the Government”,
but that, in that case,
“it was following the instructions that were set”.—[Official
Report, Commons, 5/12/22; col. 181.]
So which is it? Is Arts Council England an arm’s-length body that
makes its own funding decisions or is it an additional tool for
implementing the Government’s levelling-up policy agenda?
We have been told, not least by the Minister in last week’s arts
debate, that funding decisions were taken against
“well-established criteria and expectations”.—[Official Report,
8/12/22; col. 306]
Why then are so many people surprised by the outcomes of the
process, or even the conducting of the process itself?
Similar concerns have been voiced in the recent past, including
suggestions that the DCMS asked Channel 4 to change how it framed
certain parts of its annual report in order to make it more
attractive to potential buyers in the likelihood of
privatisation.
Our arts institutions and fantastic creative industries are far
too precious to become the victims of what my Commons colleague,
, diplomatically referred to
as “too much political direction”. The Government may argue that
the ends justify the means, with funding in this latest round
reaching new parts of the country. We all celebrate that, because
we all believe in levelling up, and we welcome support for
organisations in towns and cities that have not received
financial support—or enough of it—to date, but we should bear in
mind that criticism of the Arts Council’s approach is coming not
only from London and the south-east.
I asked last week why the Government seem to view levelling up in
such black and white terms, or as a zero-sum game. Many of the
institutions and productions funded in London and the south-east
deliver benefits elsewhere in the country—as noble Lords have
given ample voice to this afternoon—with outreach programmes
providing access to schools, and many shows being sent around the
UK on tour and so on. Glyndebourne touring, which comes from my
part of the world, is a prime example: it is an organisation that
will have its touring fund cut by 50%, which means that it cannot
do the job that it is partly designed to do. What is the value in
that? How does that aid and assist levelling up on a national
scale?
There is a finite pot of money, but should we not be looking at
how to improve the impact that these grants have, rather than
arbitrarily shifting funding and organisations elsewhere?
Publishing an overarching strategy for the arts would undoubtedly
help, as would proper consultation with interested parties prior
to decisions being made—which is what has angered so many people
in the course of this afternoon’s debate. That is how we should
be proceeding, rather than directing bodies such as the Arts
Council to act in a particular way, irrespective of opinion on
the ground.
I have to accept that funding decisions are always problematic,
even more so when they are driven by conflicting pressures at a
time when a Government have decided to restrict public spending.
Directed as Arts Council England has clearly been by the
Government to level up regions long neglected in funding, it has
inevitably been caught in the cross-hairs of conflicting
policies.
Ultimately, I ask these questions: should we be trying to level
up long-standing inequalities in one big leap? Should we be
trying to level up the regions at the expense of centres of
excellence that do so much to enable our cultural industries to
grow and flourish to everyone’s benefit? I hope the Minister
today can turn his mind to these conundrums more convincingly
than at his last attempt.
5.13pm
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for
Digital, Culture, Media and Sport ( of Whitley Bay) (Con)
My Lords, people are sometimes sniffy about revivals of old
productions or reruns of old programming. I am conscious that we
had a three-hour debate on a similar theme last week but, with
today’s stellar cast, our debate this afternoon has been a
triumphant encore. In paying generous tribute to all and sundry,
my noble friend Lord Vaizey is so much more than a tribute act.
If I repeat some of my lines today, it is in that spirit and with
respect to the original text.
In all seriousness, I am very glad to have this opportunity for
further debate, including with a number of noble Lords who were
not able to speak in last week’s debate. Again, they have made
thoughtful contributions to this important topic. There have been
a number of debates in both Houses on it, which is to be welcomed
and demonstrates the breadth of support across both Houses of
Parliament for arts and culture in our national life.
His Majesty’s Government are firmly committed to supporting arts
and culture across the whole country. Our investment in culture
remains a key part of our work to level up access and
opportunity, as the noble Lord, , said in his opening speech.
Like others, I wish a speedy recovery to the noble Lord, , on whose behalf he opened
today’s debate—and indeed a happy birthday to the noble Lord,
.
As the noble Lord, , said, access to high-quality
arts and culture needs to be more fairly spread; the economic
growth and life-changing benefits that come from arts and
creativity should be felt by everyone, and the sense of pride
that culture and heritage can bring to communities should be felt
in every part of our country. I was struck by how fitting the
name “Hope Street” is: the noble Lord mentioned the Everyman
Theatre, and it is also home to the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic,
the Merseyside Academy of Drama and many other institutions. Arts
and culture bring hope and pride to communities across the
country.
As the noble Lord said, for too long, not everywhere has been
getting its fair share of funding and opportunity. In the last
national portfolio round of funding from the Arts Council, London
was funded to the tune of about £21 per capita; the rest of the
country, to the tune of £6 per capita. That is a striking
discrepancy, even allowing for the important role played by our
national capital. It is why we asked Arts Council England to
ensure that it was investing more in other parts of the country
and why, working with it, we identified more than 100 Levelling
Up for Culture Places. We did so transparently; the methodology
and metrics used have been published on Arts Council England’s
website, which identifies which places have benefited. That was
in keeping with Arts Council England’s long-standing work to
ensure that arts, culture and creativity are better supported
across the whole of England.
As a result of that work, a record number of organisations
applied for funding in the next investment programme and a record
number were included—990. That is an increase from 814 in the
last portfolio and 663 in the one before. As I mentioned in my
closing speech last week, this is as a result of a larger pie of
funding. My right honourable friends and secured, at the last
spending review, an increase of more than £43 million to the Arts
Council’s grant in aid budget for the spending review period. So
more organisations are being funded in more parts of the country,
with a larger pot of funding. Every part of England beyond London
is seeing an increase in its funding and every part, including
London, is seeing an increase in the number of organisations
funded. Many places will now be home to funded organisations
which have never been home to them before—places such as
Bolsover, Mansfield and Blackburn.
In Liverpool, the home city of the noble Lord, , Arts Council funding has
increased very significantly, by nearly 40%, with over £11
million each year to support 29 organisations across the city
region. That picture is replicated in other combined authorities:
Tees Valley is set to see a 49% increase in funding and West
Yorkshire a 47% increase. That change is transformative and
unprecedented.
The new portfolio will improve access to arts and culture across
the whole country and for people from all backgrounds. Some 120
organisations in the new portfolio are led by people from lower
socioeconomic groups; 148 are led by people from ethnic minority
backgrounds—an increase from just 53 organisations in the last
portfolio; and 32 organisations are led by people with
disabilities. In the debate last week, I mentioned DASH in
Shropshire, which I saw four weeks ago. The Levelling Up for
Culture Places will see investment almost double, receiving £130
million over the next three years—a 95% increase in investment in
these areas.
A number of noble Lords took the opportunity again today to
highlight English National Opera in particular. We are joined
again by its excellent chairman and chief executive, Harry
Brünjes and Stuart Murphy. It is testament to the quality of its
work and the support that it has that the noble Lord, , has devoted part of its
birthday to singing its praises—rightly. I am happy to repeat the
praise that I gave from this Dispatch Box last week. Like the
noble Lord, , I enjoyed its
productions of Philip Glass—I saw “Akhnaten” and “Satyagraha”, as
well as “My Fair Lady”. I also saw the important work it did
through the ENO Breathe programme, which was recognised in the
Lancet as well as the mainstream press.
I will highlight, as I did last week, the fact that this is one
decision out of 1,700 that the Arts Council considered. As I
said, there are a record number of organisations in the next
portfolio—990—but unfortunately there were over 700 who applied
and were unsuccessful on this occasion. I would love to be the
Arts Minister who could ensure that all applicants receive the
support they request, but no Minister ever could be. As the noble
Lord, Lord Bassam, said, there is a finite pot, albeit a larger
pot than in the previous round, and the difficult job that the
Arts Council has is to ensure that that finite pot of taxpayers’
money is invested fairly.
Arts Council England has offered the English National Opera a
package of support, and at DCMS we have been keen to ensure that
the two organisations are speaking directly about it. We are very
keen that they both continue to work together on the
possibilities for the future of the organisation. I am afraid
that I cannot say much about that, out of fairness to both, but I
am glad that they are speaking and encourage them to keep doing
so.
A number of noble Lords raised questions on opera more generally.
The noble Lord, , suggested that this art
form had perhaps been targeted. I would like to reassure noble
Lords that for the next investment programme, Arts Council
England’s investment in opera, orchestras and other classical
organisations will represent around 80% of all investment in
music; opera, specifically, will remain at around 40% of the Arts
Council’s overall investment in music. Organisations such as the
English Touring Opera and the Birmingham Opera Company will
receive increased funding, and there are many new opera companies
joining, including Opera Up Close and Pegasus Opera Company based
in Brixton, which I visited last week. Indeed, there are more
opera companies in the new portfolio than there were in the last
one. The single largest recipient of funding in the portfolio
remains the Royal Opera House, which is also home to the Royal
Ballet, which will continue to be funded and will receive around
£22 million, the same as all of the east Midlands put
together.
A number of noble Lords talked about touring, and I know some may
be concerned that considering where an organisation is
headquartered is rather a blunt instrument when it comes to
levelling up. Touring is important, and the Government and the
Arts Council have been encouraging our biggest cultural
organisations to keep striving to reach out beyond their home
areas. We do not, in any respect, disparage or undervalue that
vital work, but we cannot level up culture by touring alone.
There is a difference in having an organisation based in your
community from just being able to visit it as it passes through
your town or city. When we were debating this last week, the
chief executive of the Arts Council, Dr Darren Henley, was giving
evidence to the Select Committee in another place. There he made
the important observation that, as well as touring,
“centres of production excellence and creativity around the
country are important too”.
That comment echoes the contribution made by the noble Lord,
of Knighton, in his speech
today.
For those organisations in areas which will now be in receipt of
support in the new portfolio, I hope it will mean supporting
creative individuals working in a community; making material
which is uniquely relevant or reflective of that community;
forming local clusters of creative jobs and firms; extending
opportunity for people who wish to work in these thriving
sectors; and boosting the pride of communities. This is nothing
new. Perhaps I may quote the late Lord Keynes, who was the first
chairman of the Arts Council and told a BBC magazine in 1945:
“Nothing can be more damaging than the excessive prestige of
metropolitan standards and fashions. Let every part of Merry
England be merry in its own way.”
I am not a natural Keynesian, but on that I certainly agree. As a
number of noble Lords said, it is absolutely right that art and
culture that is produced and consumed in these merry parts of
England is, and should be, just as good as that which is enjoyed
in the metropolis.
I will add the book recommended by the noble Baroness, Lady Fox,
to my Christmas reading list; I completely agree with her about
the brilliant work of autodidacts in culture. Coming from the
north-east, I think in particular of the Ashington Group and the
Pitmen painters—self-taught, working-class painters whose art I
very much admire and have seen in the Woodhorn Museum in
Northumberland. Their story was powerfully told in a play, “The
Pitmen Painters”, which began at the Live Theatre in Newcastle
and transferred to the National Theatre in London before going on
tour around the United Kingdom and thence to Broadway, Vancouver
and Buenos Aires, where an interesting array of Geordie accents
was on display to global audiences. They told powerfully that
working-class story about the north-east of England, which is
what we want to see.
I agree with the noble Earl, , about the importance of new
writing. New Writing North, which is based in the north-east,
will receive an additional £90,000 in the new portfolio. I
visited Pentabus, a company supporting writers talking about
rural England and sharing the stories of people from rural
backgrounds. There is also increased investment in the new
portfolio for the Bush Theatre, as well as continued support for
the Talawa Theatre Company and the Kiln Theatre, all of which are
based in London, to support new writing in theatre. Theatre
remains the art form most generously supported through the Arts
Council’s new portfolio.
A number of noble Lords talked about the impact on London. Once
again, let me be clear that we remain committed to supporting the
nation’s capital. We recognise and appreciate that London is a
world-leading cultural centre, with organisations that do not
just benefit the whole country but greatly enhance the UK’s
international reputation as a home of world-class arts and
culture. Here, again, the late Lord Keynes points the way. He
said that
“it is also our business to make London a great artistic
metropolis, a place to visit and to wonder at.”
Once again, I agree wholeheartedly. This principle is clearly
reflected in the Arts Council’s next investment programme. Around
a third of its investment will be spent in London, equivalent to
approximately £143 million per year for the capital; London will
receive around a third of the funding despite having just 16% of
the population of England.
Further, this funding will be spread across London in a fairer
way. We are not just levelling up between London and the rest of
the country; we are levelling up within London too. In the
previous funding round, the top four organisations in London
represented 43% of London’s budget. The funding is more equitably
shared across London in the new portfolio, with 61 London-based
organisations receiving funding for the first time, while the
Arts Council’s priority places in London—the boroughs of Croydon,
Brent, Enfield, Barking and Dagenham, and Newham—will receive
£18.8 million over the next three years. In Croydon alone,
investment will double to just under £5 million, and the borough
will see three new organisations join the portfolio. The new Arts
Council portfolio will give people right across the country more
opportunities to access culture on their doorsteps.
The noble Earl, , repeated the question posed
by the noble Baroness, Lady McIntosh of Hudnall, in our debate
last week about the instruction from the previous Secretary of
State to Arts Council England. I think that I responded to it,
but I am happy to do so again. I gladly set out the Government’s
commitment to the arm’s-length principle in my speech last week.
It is not contradictory in any respect for the Government to
request that the Arts Council disburse its taxpayer funding
according to a set of broad parameters while ensuring that
central government and Ministers are in no way involved in the
individual decisions that the Arts Council makes. The letter from
my right honourable friend is published for all to see
on the Arts Council’s website, so this has not been a hidden
process; it has been done explicitly. She made a Written
Statement to Parliament at the time and was proud to do so.
Funding for arts and culture comes from taxpayers right across
the country, so it is right that it should benefit people in
every part of the country. As I said last week, that taxpayer
subsidy through the Arts Council is only one part of the way in
which cultural life in the country is supported. My noble friend
set out the manifold ways we
work to support the arts and culture across the country, and I
pay tribute to him for his years of hard work delivering those
important programmes which make such a difference.
My noble friend is right to point to
the mixed model we have in this country of taxpayer subsidy
alongside the importance of private and commercial philanthropy.
When my noble friend was a Minister, he brought in programmes
such as the cultural gift scheme, which has been such an
important addition to encourage gifting and philanthropy in the
arts. I completely agree with him on the importance of
recognising people who are generous in that way through the
honours system, and I take the point he made about our new
sovereign’s particular interest. I am glad that he mentioned the
70th anniversary of the Waverley criteria, which we marked this
week. Saving works of art and cultural objects for the nation has
enriched collections in museums and galleries right across the
country and not just in our capital.
As noble Lords will know, last month, in the Autumn Statement, my
right honourable friend the Chancellor set out his plans to
restore stability to the economy, to protect high-quality public
services and to build long-term prosperity for the United
Kingdom. He also announced a £13.6 billion package of support for
business rates payers in England, which will support businesses
across the arts and cultural sector, just as it will across the
wider economy. He confirmed plans for the second round of the
levelling-up fund, with at least £1.7 billion to be allocated to
infrastructure projects around the UK before the end of the year.
The levelling-up fund has three themes: local transport projects;
town centre and high street regeneration—both of which have an
important connection to the arts and culture—and supporting
cultural and heritage assets. That is another boost for the arts
and culture and, again, a recognition of their role in the
economy and our wider lives. Officials in DCMS and our
arm’s-length bodies have been supporting the assessment and
prioritisation process of the levelling-up fund, and I am very
pleased that the second round will include the potential for up
to two £50 million flagship culture and heritage projects.
I am grateful for the further opportunity to set out how the
Government’s extensive programme of support through the Arts
Council’s NPO programme is benefitting areas right across
England. I hope noble Lords will agree that, by increasing
investment beyond the capital, the Arts Council will help to
generate cultural and creative opportunities for more people and
in places that have been overlooked for too long, and in doing so
redress the historic imbalance in funding. I strongly believe
that such investment will ensure that our world-class arts and
culture will continue to thrive right across every part of
England.
5.32pm
(LD)
My Lords, I thank all noble Peers for their contributions; we
seemed to speak almost with one voice. I got an early Christmas
present from the noble Baroness, Lady Fox, in that it was the
first time I agreed with everything she said, so I thank her for
that.
I am grateful for the Minister’s thorough reply. However, I
suspect that, because of the position in which he finds himself,
he is not able to deal directly with many of the questions that
were asked of him—particularly on touring. I was quite interested
in his comment on English National Opera; he said that they were
speaking but that he could not say more. I understand that, but I
hope that that speaking becomes a serious conversation, in which
the points that have been made today are answered. I thank all
noble Lords.
Motion agreed.
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