Justice Ministers were taking questions in the Commons. Subjects
covered included... Prison Service Parliamentary Scheme
Legal Aid Offenders: Housing and Benefits Youth
Justice System Personal Independence Payment Appeals
Prisons: Mobile Phones Court Closures No Body, No
Parole Law Prison Officer Safety...Request free trial
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Prison Service Parliamentary Scheme
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1. What assessment he has made of the potential
merits of introducing a Prison Service parliamentary
scheme. [905577]
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I pay tribute to the hon. Lady and, indeed, to my hon.
Friend the Member for Sittingbourne and Sheppey (Gordon
Henderson). The idea is for a parliamentary scheme
focused on the Prison Service, along the lines of the
parliamentary schemes for the police and the armed
services. This is an exceptional opportunity to show
the public, through their elected representatives, the
extraordinary work that prison officers do day in, day
out. It is a very tough and a very challenging job, so,
inspired by the hon. Lady and my hon. Friend, we have
asked the Department to develop a scheme of exactly the
kind that they have proposed.
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I am delighted to hear the Minister’s response, as, I
am sure, are the leaders of the Prison Officers
Association who are with us in the Gallery today. I am
sure he will agree that this must not be just a
stage-managed public affairs exercise, and I ask him to
commit himself to working with the POA on the design of
the scheme.
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That seems an excellent idea, and I am glad that the
POA representatives are here today. As the hon.
Lady—and any other Members who have visited a
prison—will know, prisons are rarely stage-managed
affairs, but we will work closely with the POA to
ensure that the scheme reflects the experience of
working prison officers.
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I, too, am delighted by the Minister’s announcement.
Can he give us any indication of how long it is likely
to take to get the scheme up and running?
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Let me again pay tribute to my hon. Friend for having
inspired the scheme. The proposal is being put together
by the Department at the moment, and I hope that before
the end of the year we shall be able to enrol at least
a couple of Members of Parliament on exactly such a
scheme.
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As one of those who have served on the armed forces
parliamentary scheme and seen the benefits that it
provides in increasing knowledge, I commend the
Minister for what he is doing. I suggest that this
scheme should be similar to the armed forces scheme,
because it has worked extremely well, and I think that
the Prison Service should take advantage of it.
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We are looking closely at the armed forces
parliamentary scheme, and also at the police
parliamentary scheme, in which my right hon. Friend the
Secretary of State took part. Those are quite large and
well-funded schemes, so we are looking at them
carefully. This scheme may start as a smaller pilot,
but we certainly want to model it on those other
schemes.
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A Prison Service parliamentary scheme would give prison
officers an opportunity to flag directly with Members
of Parliament wider law and order issues, one of which
is the use of separation jail cells to hold Islamist
terrorists who pose a national security threat through
attempts to radicalise other inmates. Many of those
cells are lying empty. What work are you doing to
ensure that they are in full operation?
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I am doing no work on this matter whatsoever, but the
Minister may be.
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My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Managing Islamist
extremists in prison means that, as well as identifying
them and gathering intelligence on them, it is
sometimes necessary to remove them from the general
population to prevent them from radicalising other
people. We have therefore set up two separation units,
one of which is in Frankland Prison, and a third will
shortly be set up in a new high-security prison. Such
units are a vital element of managing extremists.
Legal Aid
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2. What assessment he has made of the effect of
the decline in the number of people receiving legal aid
for early legal help on access to
justice. [905578]
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The hon. Lady is right to draw attention to the
importance of early legal help. If a problem can be
solved at an early stage, it can be prevented from
escalating later. That is why the Department spent
nearly £100 million on early legal help last year.
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I appreciate the Minister’s response, but the cuts in
legal aid are having a devastating effect. One of my
constituents is seeking legal aid after leaving a
coercive, controlling relationship in which she
suffered not just physical but financial abuse. Her
former partner left significant debts in her name. She
works, but she does not qualify for legal aid now due
to her salary. Because the payments are taken out under
court order before she receives her pay, she is left
with no money for legal costs. He gets legal aid
because he works. Surely this is not fair, and will the
Minister review it?
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The hon. Lady has made an important point. The
Government have done a significant amount in relation
to domestic violence, understanding that it often
involves not just physical abuse but, as the hon. Lady
says, coercive control. We have also changed many of
the guidelines relating to domestic violence so that
people who have experienced such abuse can obtain legal
aid more easily. I hope that that resolves some of the
problems that the hon. Lady has identified.
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The Government’s cuts in legal aid have caused
widespread damage to access to justice. The Information
Commissioner has now taken serious action against the
Ministry of Justice, owing to its refusal to publish in
full the findings of its own research, which reveal
judges’ deep concerns about the damage that is being
caused. Would not the Government have spent their time
better in trying to fix the broken justice system,
rather than engaging in crass attempts to cover up
embarrassing research findings showing the failures of
their legal aid policies?
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As the hon. Gentleman will know, we are currently
engaged in an extensive review of the Legal Aid,
Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012. We
have met with over 50 organisations or individuals so
far this year. I am aware that a complaint has been
made to the Information Commissioner’s Office, and my
Department is working closely with the ICO on this
matter.
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The truth is that our legal aid and wider justice
system is in crisis—a crisis created by this
Government’s reckless cuts agenda—and the Government
seem to be trying to bury the truth about the legal aid
crisis. The research I referred to that was hidden away
said that the judges
“believe unrepresented defendant numbers have increased
and this is disproportionately reducing the efficiency
of the courts.”
So will the Government today come clean and explain to
this House why such evidence from judges about the
scale of the damage the Government’s cuts are causing
to access to justice was removed from the published
report?
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The hon. Gentleman will know that 99% of people who
claim legal aid in the Crown courts are granted it. He
will also know that in the report he identified,
although there are some unrepresented defendants, most
people surveyed said that did not make a difference to
outcomes.
Offenders: Housing and Benefits
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3. What steps his Department is taking to help
offenders access (a) housing and (b) benefits on
release from prison. [905579]
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A home provides a released offender with a stable
platform and increases their chances of finding a job,
accessing health services and tuning their lives
around. The Government aim to eliminate rough sleeping
by 2027. As part of this commitment, my Department will
work with the Ministry of Housing, Communities and
Local Government to pilot initiatives, helping those
with a history of offending to access and sustain
suitable accommodation. We are also working closely
with the Department for Work and Pensions to explore
ways of enhancing the current benefit claim system.
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I thank the Minister for his response, but I recently
supported a constituent who, after six months in
prison, had successfully kicked his drugs habit. After
being released from prison with no housing or benefits
in place, he had to rely on former associates for
support. He has now returned to drugs and his chaotic
lifestyle—the one he wanted to escape. Does the
Minister believe that lack of supervision and support
for offenders leaving prison is likely to increase or
decrease reoffending?
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We must work across government to ensure that those
circumstances do not happen. It is right that we engage
with local authorities, the MHCLG and the DWP to ensure
that the support is there, and we also need to make
sure that the probation service is working as it should
to provide support for those offenders.
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Some local authorities claim that prisoners sent away
from their home area have no local connection when they
need to find housing. Will the Secretary of State have
a word with the Secretary of State for Communities to
make sure there is no discrimination among local
authorities against ex-offenders; they just need to be
treated fairly, the same as everyone else?
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My hon. Friend makes a good point and we discuss this
issue with the MHCLG. We are also working with the
Local Government Association in advance of its October
commencement of the duty to refer under the
Homelessness Reduction Act 2017 to improve partnership
working between prisons, probation providers and local
authorities.
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Release from prison is particularly difficult for
women, and I have raised this issue with the Prisons
Minister, the hon. Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee), in
Westminster Hall. Will the Secretary of State set out
what he will do to support women up for release, not
just in respect of when they are released from prison
but also in keeping the family link, which is extremely
important?
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That is an important point, and we will publish our
women offenders strategy in the near future. We must
address reoffending by ensuring that when people are
released they are settled in the community as
successfully as possible.
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Prisoners who build their own houses and then rent them
at an affordable rent are much less likely to reoffend.
Will the Secretary of State meet me and members of the
Right to Build Task Force to discuss how this excellent
initiative can be spread more widely?
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I congratulate my hon. Friend on managing to raise the
issue of right to build in as many forums as possible,
and I would be delighted to meet him to discuss the
opportunities here.
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Does the Secretary of State accept that the number of
ex-offenders ending up homeless has increased
significantly in recent years, and will he accept that
his Department’s policy objectives for reducing
reoffending and helping rehabilitation will go nowhere
unless this issue is tackled?
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I accept that if we want to reduce reoffending and to
rehabilitate, we have to ensure that we address the
issue of housing. I absolutely accept that, which is
why I am determined to work with local authorities and
the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local
Government to address it.
Youth Justice System
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4. What steps the Government are taking to reform
the youth justice system. [905580]
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We are increasing the frontline staff numbers in youth
offending institutions by 20%. We have introduced
enhanced support units at one location—soon to be
two—to improve the behavioural management of very
difficult children. We are also introducing secure
schools, to fundamentally change the environment in
which young people in custody are held.
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I thank the Minister for his answer. Perhaps he could
tell us what role sport could play in helping to work
with people in the youth justice system?
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It is interesting to note that the average person in
youth custody spends more time in the classroom per
week than I did at grammar school. I am firmly of the
opinion that sport should play a bigger part in the
typical day of those in the youth system, which is why
I have commissioned Professor Rosie Meek to provide a
report on the benefits of sport, both in custody and in
the community. We should be publishing the report
shortly.
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That insight into the Lee biography was of great
interest and enlightenment to the House.
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Worryingly, among young offenders, those aged 10 to 14
have the highest reoffending rate—a rate of 42.7%.
Overall reoffending rates among the youth prison
population are up between three and four percentage
points since 2005. What steps is the Minister going to
take to reduce reoffending among young offenders?
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In the past 10 years, the number of young people we
have been locking up has decreased from more than 3,000
to under 1,000. As a consequence, we have been left
with young people who are quite difficult to manage,
which is why we are introducing secure schools to
improve the recidivism rates to which the hon. Lady
refers.
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I welcome the work that the Minister has done in this
field, but does he agree with the Justice Committee’s
report published a year or so back, which found that a
number of the drivers involve many agencies outside the
traditional criminal justice system, including
education and health, and that they extend beyond the
current statutory definitions of young people and youth
justice? Does he agree that we therefore need a much
more holistic strategy for young people, from the
moment they enter the criminal justice system up to
around the age of 25, at which point all the evidence
suggests that maturity tends to have reached its full
development?
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My hon. Friend asks a telling question, as ever. Yes, I
am persuaded on the question of maturity, and this is
something that the system currently reflects. We have
youth offender institutions for those aged up to 18,
and for those aged 18 to 21. Beyond 21, offenders enter
the adult estate. Yes, we need to adopt a more holistic
approach to the management of young people. That is
why, since I have been in post, I have had meetings
with Education Ministers, with Health Ministers and
with Ministers in the Ministry of Housing, Communities
and Local Government. I continue to pursue this
actively.
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Youth offending teams have a crucial role to play in
preventing our young people from becoming offenders or
victims of crime, but the Ministry of Justice has
halved the funding for those teams since 2010. We have
now found out that they are facing another real-terms
cut this year, despite the spate of knife and gun
attacks. Does the Minister believe that the
Government’s cuts to youth offending budgets leave us
more safe or less safe?
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The youth offending team budgets are the same in cash
terms this year as they were last year. The issue of
ghastly knife crime to which the hon. Gentleman refers
is clearly serious and, sadly, it is occupying the news
headlines almost on a daily basis. Our approach to this
is not just about youth offending teams; there is also
a broader issue with regard to serious violence. We
need to address the motivation of young people to use
those knives. Going back to the previous question,
dealing with this will require a cross-Government
approach.
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What proportion of youth offenders become adult
offenders, and is that figure going up or down?
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I do not have the exact figure, but I am pretty sure
that it is a large proportion and I wish that it was
smaller. We recognise that the performance of the youth
system in improving reoffending is not good enough,
which is why we are introducing new ways of holding
young people, through secure schools. I am under no
illusion about how difficult this is, but it is better
that we intervene early in a young offender’s “career”
than letting them go on to have a lifetime of
offending.
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My antennae tell me that the Minister will be writing
to the hon. Member for Kettering (Mr Hollobone) with
further and better particulars, and I am sure that
hundreds of colleagues will eagerly await a copy of
that letter finding its way into the Library of the
House.
Personal Independence Payment Appeals
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5. What assessment he has made of trends in the
level of personal independence payment appeals that
have been successful at tribunal. [905581]
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I am aware of the important issue that the hon.
Gentleman highlights. I recently met the Minister for
Disabled People, Health and Work to discuss how our
Departments can work together, and I was pleased to see
that the Department for Work and Pensions is taking
several measures to ensure that it gets decisions right
the first time.
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Does not the fact that two out of three appeals in the
north-east are successful prove that the privateers
that the Government employ to carry out PIP assessments
in the first place are not fit for practice by
callously letting down disabled people and ripping off
the taxpayer?
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The DWP is taking a number of measures to ensure that
it gets decisions right the first time. It has
recruited an extra 150 presenting officers and is
taking feedback from the tribunals to ensure that the
reconsideration process is as effective and as right as
possible.
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Yesterday, the DWP yet again decided not to appeal a
PIP case for fear of losing, and it owes billions in
back payments following successful tribunals. I am
pleased to hear that the Minister has had discussions
with the DWP, but will she tell us whether she
specifically raised the distress that going through
unnecessary appeals causes claimants and the waste of
public money from the UK Government fighting cases?
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The hon. and learned Lady makes an important point.
Nobody wants people to go to court unnecessarily and
nobody wants the most vulnerable to be put under
unnecessary pressure. Many parts of the system are
doing their best. We are looking at digitalisation to
improve the process and to make the system easier to
use, and we are also trying to get clearance times
down. The judiciary is also working closely with the
DWP to try to ensure that people get decisions right
the first time and quickly.
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In Scotland, the new social security agency has at its
heart a culture of dignity, fairness and respect. The
Law Society of Scotland has said that the United
Kingdom benefit system does not treat claimants with
dignity and fails to develop best practice from
learning from appeal decisions. What discussions did
the Minister have with her DWP counterpart about the
need to observe the principles of administrative
justice in how the benefit system is administered and
about how the DWP will learn from appeal decisions so
that it stops making the same mistakes over and over?
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I discussed getting decisions right the first time with
Minister for Disabled People, Health and Work, and we
talked about the importance of getting feedback from
the tribunal that can be fed into the DWP’s decision
makers to ensure that they get decisions right the
first time. I also liaise with Her Majesty’s Courts and
Tribunals Service to ensure that all aspects of the
process are managed effectively.
Prisons: Mobile Phones
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6. What steps the Government are taking to prevent
the use of mobile phones in prisons. [905582]
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To prevent mobile telephones from getting used in
prisons, we need to do four things: we need to prevent
them getting into prisons, which is about searching at
the gate; we need to detect them in cells; we need to
intercept transmissions; and we need to jam those
telephones. We are doing all those things.
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I thank the Minister for that answer, but criminals are
often ingenious in getting items, such as mobile
phones, or drugs, such as former legal highs, into
prisons. Will he assure me that prison officers have
access to the latest investigative technology to ensure
that we can stamp out this trade?
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I want to take this opportunity to pay tribute both to
my hon. Friend and to my hon. Friend the Member for
Lewes (Maria Caulfield), who is taking through a
private Member’s Bill to make it easier to jam and
intercept mobile phone transmissions. Technology is
changing all the time, and there are some challenges,
particularly in heavily built-up areas, but we are
absolutely committed to having the appropriate
technology in different prisons to jam and intercept
those phones.
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After last week’s shocking report on the state of
Exeter Prison, including the availability of mobile
phones and drugs, will the Minister reassure me that
the prison is getting all the support, resources and
supervision that it needs to implement the inspector’s
recommendations as a matter of urgency?
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I pay tribute to the right hon. Gentleman, whom I spoke
to about this issue over the weekend. The director of
operations, Phil Copple, is on his way to Exeter as we
speak. I have also spoken to the prison’s governor on
the phone, and we are bringing him up to have another
conversation with the chief inspector of prisons. It is
vital that we address all the issues within the urgent
notification, and the central issue is preventing
violent assaults on prisoners and prison officers.
Court Closures
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7. What assessment his Department has made of the
effect of court closures on access to
justice. [905583]
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We are looking at a number of ways to reform and
improve our justice system through technology, through
our court estate and through people. We are spending £1
billion to upgrade our justice system. In 2016-17, 41%
of courts and tribunals were used at less than half of
their available hearing capacity. In circumstances
where money raised from the sale of any court building
will be reinvested into our justice system, it is
appropriate to ask whether spending on physical
buildings is the best use of money.
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It is hardly surprising that towns like Scunthorpe feel
that they are being left behind by this Government when
it is our courts and magistrates courts that close. It
is always things in our towns that close, even before
the new technologies that need to be in place have been
properly evaluated and investigated. When will the
Minister evaluate the impact of these court closures on
communities, and when will she evaluate the
effectiveness of new technologies?
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I am aware that the hon. Gentleman’s court was closed
in December 2016, and I have read his detailed response
to the consultation from October 2015. I understand
that, when courts are closed in a particular area, the
people in that area feel particularly affected, but I
assure him that, as we bring in video technology, we
are assessing the use of that technology and trying to
improve it at every stage.
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The Minister is aware of my concerns about the closure
of Banbury court. What steps has she taken to
investigate the use of other public buildings for court
services?
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My hon. Friend has raised her potential court closure
with me on a number of occasions. I have also read her
response to the recent consultation, in which she
raises a number of points, including the one she has
just identified. We will look at using other buildings
in the community.
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The recent National Audit Office report on the courts
programme says:
“Expected costs have increased and planned benefits
have decreased.”
Given that the National Audit Office says the courts
programme will now cost £1.2 billion—£200 million more
than the Government previously stated—will it lead to
even deeper cuts elsewhere in the Ministry of Justice’s
budget?
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The hon. Lady highlights the ambition of the programme,
which the NAO report identifies. It is a very ambitious
programme, and it is right to be ambitious about our
justice system. The NAO report acknowledges the early
progress that has been made and makes recommendations
about how we can strengthen the process. We will be
taking all those recommendations on board.
No Body, No Parole Law
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8. What assessment he has made of the potential
merits of bringing forward legislative proposals on a
no body, no parole law. [905585]
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I pay tribute to my hon. Friend and to the hon. Member
for St Helens North (Conor McGinn) for the incredible
energy that has gone into this campaign. There is
something peculiarly disgusting about the sadism
involved when an individual murders somebody and then
refuses to reveal the location of the victim’s body.
There have been delays in framing the right kind of
legal response, but I am absolutely confident that we
can overcome that. Officials are now bringing forward
advice that I hope will achieve, through a different
method, exactly what hon. and right hon. Members have
been campaigning for.
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The introduction of a no body, no parole law, known as
Helen’s law, is very important to my constituent Linda
Jones, as the location of her daughter Danielle’s body
has never been disclosed by her killer. Can my hon.
Friend therefore tell the House what impact assessment
has been commissioned or carried out to support this
introduction?
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The Department has now proposed two options, which the
Secretary of State and I will discuss over the coming
days in order to get a solution. We are clear that
refusing to reveal the location of a body is an
absolutely disgusting practice, and we ought to be able
to use legal methods to impose consequences on
individuals who refuse to do so.
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Is the Minister aware that many of us would support
such legislation, particularly if it were also linked
to miscarriages of justice? People who are found to
have been wrongly convicted and are released after
spending years in prison come out with no compensation
and no reintegration into society—surely that cannot be
right.
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Perhaps I could sit down with the hon. Gentleman to
discuss that in more detail. It is a very important
subject, but I think the issue of miscarriages of
justice is slightly different and perhaps we could take
that offline.
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It was the only way I could get in.
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It is a phenomenon known in the House, or certainly
known in this Speaker’s Office, as “shoehorning”: a
colleague shoehorning in his own concern wherever he
thinks he can get away with it.
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Prison Officer Safety
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9. What progress the Government have made on
improving the safety of prison
officers. [905586]
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14. What progress the Government have made on
improving the safety of prison
officers. [905591]
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The safety of prison officers is of paramount
importance. We owe them a huge debt of gratitude. I pay
tribute to the hon. Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant),
who introduced a private Member’s Bill to double the
sentence for assaults on prison officers and other
emergency workers. There is much more we can do in this
area—we are testing pepper spray and looking at
body-worn cameras—but fundamentally this is about
having the right staffing numbers and a proper,
predictable regime in a prison to calm the prison down
and prevent these completely unacceptable attacks.
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Despite the number of assaults on prison officers, very
few offenders are prosecuted. Will the Minister ensure
that anyone who attacks an on-duty prison officer faces
the full weight of the law and can expect the
punishments that those crimes would attract elsewhere?
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Absolutely, and this was debated in this House when we
discussed that private Member’s Bill. At the moment,
people are getting a sentence of 22 weeks for spitting
at a police officer, but it is rare for such
prosecutions to be brought for assaulting a prison
officer. We therefore wish to work closely with our
colleagues in the police to make sure that prosecutions
are brought and that prison officers are properly
protected. I have been talking to my right hon. Friend
the Minister for Policing and the Fire Service to
ensure that we can get more police officers into
prisons.
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When I recently visited Pentonville prison, I was
naturally concerned about reports of a number of
attacks on its prison officers. The safety of our
prison officers is of paramount importance, so what
further steps is my hon. Friend taking to ensure that
they have all the support they need to keep themselves
safe?
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I pay tribute to my right hon. Friend for visiting
Pentonville prison. I was lucky enough to be there two
weeks ago, and I pay tribute to its excellent governor
for the very good work he is doing. It is one of the
most testing, busy London local prisons, and it faces a
huge number of issues, but protecting prison officers
is fundamentally about having a predictable, stable
regime, enough prison officers on the landing, the
right kind of training and relationships to calm things
down, and, ultimately, protection.
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Given that the number of assaults on prison officers
has risen by 23% in the past 12 months, what assessment
has the Minister made of new psychoactive substances
causing that problem? When does he expect the roll-out
of body-worn cameras to be complete?
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The right hon. Gentleman is a very experienced
predecessor in my job. Clearly there is a strong
correlation with these new psychoactive substances; it
is difficult otherwise to account for the huge rise in
violence. The substances seem to drive both
self-harming behaviour and extreme violent behaviour. I
will give a written answer on exactly when we will
fulfil the body-worn camera programme.
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The Minister can dress it up however he wants, but the
bottom line is that cutting 7,000 frontline prison
officers between 2010 and 2016 has caused prison safety
to plummet. Will he tell the House how many more
officers are needed to end this emergency in our
prisons and when he will recruit them by?
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This is a very good challenge. Numbers are clearly one
of the issues, but there are others, such as
psychoactive substances, which have been mentioned.
That is why we have recruited an extra 2,500 prison
officers. We believe that that gives us the right
numbers, because it allows us to have one prison
officer for six prisoners to run our keyworker scheme.
We see already in key prisons that that is beginning to
have a real impact on violence.
Court Modernisation
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10. What assessment the Government have made of
the effectiveness of their programme to modernise the
court system. [905587]
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We are making significant progress on modernising our
courts system and upgrading our justice system. We are
spending £1 billion on our reform programme. For
example, we have recently established the online court
for civil claims. Claims of up to £10,000 can now be
made via an online claim form, which is an effective
and easy-to-use process.
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The Minister is aware that capacity concerns were
expressed about the removal of all remand cases in West
Mercia from magistrates courts in Shropshire, Telford,
Herefordshire and Worcestershire to Kidderminster.
Although that might have created some efficiencies for
the courts, it has also created considerable
inefficiencies for the other vital elements of the
criminal justice system. If somebody on remand misses
the 7.30 am van from Telford, they might now have to
wait an extra 24 hours in custody, whether they are
innocent or guilty. Can that be right?
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I know that my hon. Friend is concerned about this
issue. I was pleased to meet him and neighbouring MPs
before Easter. He has campaigned diligently on this
issue on his constituents’ behalf and I look forward to
meeting him later this week to discuss it. I should
also let him know that officials from Her Majesty’s
Courts and Tribunals Service have arranged a review
meeting on 13 June with the principal agencies affected
by the change. I know that my hon. Friend has submitted
evidence for that meeting.
Offenders: Education and Employment
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11. What assessment he has made of the role of
employment and education in reducing rates of
reoffending. [905588]
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21. What steps the Government are taking to
improve access for offenders to education and
employment. [905600]
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22. What assessment he has made of the role of
employment and education in reducing rates of
reoffending. [905601]
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On 24 May, we launched the education and employment
strategy to create a system in which each prisoner is
set on a path to employment from the outset. This is
vital because reoffending costs society around £15
billion each year. Effective rehabilitation needs
prisoners to be willing to commit to change, take
advice, learn new skills and take opportunities to
work, and if they participate in learning and get a
job, they are less likely to reoffend.
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I thank my right hon. Friend for his answer, and for
his earlier mention of my Homelessness Reduction Act
2017 and the duty to ensure that ex-offenders get a
decent house when they leave prison, which comes in in
October. More widely, will he review education training
and reward ex-offenders for participating in such
programmes so that they do not reoffend when they leave
prison?
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I pay tribute to my hon. Friend for his work on the
Homelessness Reduction Act, which was a significant
achievement. In respect of making sure that the
incentives in the system are right, my hon. Friend
absolutely hits the nail on the head. I am determined
to ensure that we have the right incentives in the
system to reward good behaviour and to bring down
reoffending.
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Milton Keynes College is a leading provider of
offender-learning programmes. I have discussed the New
Futures Network with college staff, and while they
welcome the Government’s new strategy, they and I would
be grateful for further details of how employers will
be incentivised, and perhaps even mandated, to employ a
certain percentage of ex-offenders.
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Our approach is to encourage employers to take on
ex-offenders. Some employers do marvellous work and not
only make a real contribution to society, but find that
they get very good employees. There are also employers
who, frankly, are not engaging at all. There has been a
change in public mood on this issue and we want to
encourage much more engagement. We all have a role to
play.
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Digital and technology skills are now vital in every
workplace. They help those released from prison to
secure better jobs, thereby reducing reoffending. What
support is my right hon. Friend’s Department giving for
such important skills training?
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My hon. Friend raises an important point. Information
and communications technology forms part of the prison
common core curriculum. It will be increasingly
important, which is why it is right that we provide
training in digital and technology skills. It is worth
pointing out that from April 2019, governors will be
given increased flexibility to commission the right
education mix for their prisons. We expect that digital
and technology will feature highly in governors’ plans.
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I refer the House to my entry in the Register of
Members’ Financial Interests.
Domestic violence offenders are particularly prone to
repeat offending, so what commitment will the Secretary
of State give to ensuring that the mandatory provision
of domestic violence perpetrator programmes is made
available to domestic violence offenders in all prisons
through the domestic abuse Bill?
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I am grateful to the hon. Lady for raising that point.
She is absolutely right about the repeat-offending
nature of domestic abuse. She will be aware of the
Government’s consultation on domestic abuse, which
concluded at the end of last month. We are looking at
ways in which we can bring down reoffending, and
getting the right courses and training in prisons,
including on domestic abuse, is very important.
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Education is particularly important in trying to ensure
that offenders not only do not reoffend, but get
employment post-custody. What steps is the Minister
taking to ensure that governors in all prisons right
across the regime are aware that prisoners’ educational
attainment is paramount if they are to find employment
once they leave prison?
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The hon. Gentleman raises an important point. On the
prisons for which we are responsible, I have set out
the education and employment strategy, and the focus is
on ensuring that governors have greater control over
how they provide education within their prisons. His
point about the link between education and employment
is absolutely right. Of course, employment is linked
very strongly to reoffending rates.
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May I urge the Secretary of State to look at the
correlation and causation between traumatic brain
injury and reoffending? The most recent survey that has
been done in the prison in Leeds showed that nearly 50%
of prisoners had a traumatic brain injury, and that 30%
of them had more than five. Does it not make sense to
screen every single prisoner when they arrive in prison
and ensure that they have rehabilitation for their
brain injury?
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The hon. Gentleman raises an important point, because
there is evidence showing links between brain injuries
and offending. If I may, I will take away his
suggestion about testing across the board to see
whether that is the right use of resources—that is
something that we would have to look at—but he makes an
important point about understanding the link between
brain injuries and offending.
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When there are employers who wish not only to help
people when they come out of prison but to train them
while they are in prison, will my right hon. Friend
ensure that no prison puts barriers in place because of
risk assessments so that we ensure that they can
actually help prisoners?
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We do want to encourage employers to get into prisons
to work with prisoners before they are released. It is
important that there is not a huge cliff edge from
being in prison to then being released. We need to look
at the best ways in which we can do that.
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We welcome the Government’s emphasis on education and
employment skills, as they are the best route out of
poverty and the cycle of reoffending, but when the
Secretary of State made the announcement, he forgot
that he had scrapped the National Careers Service in
prisons, and presented an employment strategy that
omitted to mention the provision of employment and
careers advice. Why was that absent from the strategy?
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I welcome the Opposition’s support for our focus on
education and employment, but may I say to the House
that Dame Sally Coates noted in her 2016 review of
prison education that the National Careers Service was
delivering a service in an increasingly crowded
environment, with multiple employment advice and
support services operating in custody and through the
gate? That was why the decision was made to reform this
area. It is right that we do so, but I am determined to
ensure that we provide the right support to prisoners
so that they can get a job when they are released.
Prisons: Rehabilitation Technology
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12. What progress has been made on introducing
technology to assist with rehabilitation in
prisons. [905589]
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As a pilot, we have introduced basic computers and
telephones into prison cells in HMPs Berwyn and Wayland
so that prisoners can manage some of their day-to-day
tasks such as ordering meals, making healthcare
appointments and booking social visits. This technology
also gives prisoners access to learning opportunities
and basic educational content, and enables them to
telephone their families in a private environment.
Prisoners are not given access to the internet.
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Can the Minister reassure me that digital technology in
prisons will allow prisoners to access only educational
opportunities, rather than the sometimes murky wider
digital world?
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I can provide my hon. Friend with that assurance. The
digital technology currently available in prisons
provides strictly controlled access to learning and
training facilities. It is also used to provide
opportunities for prisoners to access services within
the prison environment to enable them to manage their
time and activities while inside. There is no access to
the internet, and strict security control prohibits
access to the wider digital world.
Victims Law
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13. What progress is being made on introducing a
victims law. [905590]
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18. What progress is being made on introducing a
victims law. [905596]
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Supporting victims is a key priority for the
Government, which is why we are bringing forward a
victims strategy this summer. In compiling the
strategy, we have consulted victims groups and
academics, and across Government. In doing so, we have
concluded that we will need legislative and
non-legislative measures to ensure that the strategy
works for victims.
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I hear what the Minister says, but Rotherham Council is
today debating the support available to adults who
survive child abuse in my constituency. I have now
spoken to two Home Secretaries, two Prime Ministers and
countless Ministers, and the Ministry of Justice was in
Rotherham last week. Still we are not getting the cash
we need to enable 1,520 victims—at the current count—to
turn into survivors. Will the Minister please give us
the cash we need?
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The dreadful incidents in Rotherham, which sadly have
been replicated across the country, have proved a
challenge both to local government and to the national
Government. The ongoing independent inquiry into child
sexual abuse—IICSA—is throwing up a significant level
of incidents. The Government are clearly engaged with
the process of trying to assess what is needed to help
these victims of child sex abuse, both as children and
as adults. I am under no illusions that this concerns
not only the Ministry of Justice but the Department of
Health and Social Care and the Ministry of Housing,
Communities and Local Government. All Government
Departments are going to have to wrestle with this
issue in the coming years because there has been
significant child sex abuse over recent decades.
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Further to the question of my hon. Friend the Member
for Rotherham (Sarah Champion), a new victims law would
ensure that victims of crime are supported and can seek
closure on their ordeal. Most importantly, it may
encourage more people to come forward and report crime
safely. Why, therefore, three years on from the
Government’s manifesto commitment to introduce this
important law, are we without any legislation in this
House?
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I have just said that the strategy is going to include
legislative measures to underpin the victims code. I am
interested in legislation that is going to work, not
legislation for legislation’s sake. Be in no doubt of
my determination to improve the offering to victims
both at the time of their abuse and in subsequent
decades.
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Two of my constituents have experienced tragic cases.
They have been bereaved after the loss of a close
relative, and their distress has been added to by the
length of time that they have had to wait for the body
to be released for a second post-mortem decision. The
Minister has been very sympathetic, but will he commit
to reviewing the law and raising this issue again with
coroners on behalf of my constituents?
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My hon. Friend and I met to discuss these cases
recently. The challenge is that coroners hold an
independent judicial position, which is important and
invaluable. It is their responsibility to determine the
cause of death. I clearly cannot talk about individual
cases. The responsibility ultimately rests with the
chief coroner. I do understand the deep distress that
can be caused by any unnecessary delay, and I have
passed this on to the chief coroner.
Leaving the EU: UK Legal System
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15. What steps the Government plans to take to
ensure that the UK legal system operates effectively
after the UK leaves the EU. [905592]
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It is right that we provide legal certainty for
businesses, individuals and families as we leave the
European Union. As the Prime Minister said in her
Mansion House speech, we will need to have effective
reciprocal arrangements with the EU to deal with
cross-border issues. The Government will shortly
publish their White Paper setting out their vision for
the future UK-EU partnership.
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Given that the UK legal industry is worth approximately
£25 billion to the UK economy, what steps is the
Ministry taking to ensure that this world standing is
maintained post-Brexit?
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My hon. Friend makes an extremely important point. Our
system is highly regarded throughout the world because
of our respect for the rule of law, and the quality and
integrity of our judiciary. The Department will seek to
ensure that we help law firms to get the best
post-Brexit arrangements with the EU on recognition and
enforcement of judgments, and mutual recognition of
qualifications.
Victims and Witnesses
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16. What steps his Department is taking to improve
the court experience for victims and
witnesses. [905594]
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We want to improve the court experience for everyone,
including victims and witnesses. We now have video
links in many courts that allow victims and vulnerable
people to take part in criminal proceedings without
having to meet the defendant face-to-face in court.
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What steps are being taken to ensure that victims and
witnesses who give evidence in court are provided with
access to counselling and other mental health services?
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My hon. Friend is right to identify the fact that we
need to support vulnerable people who go through the
justice system. That is why we will spend about £96
million this year to support and fund services such as
the ones he identifies, including pre-trial visits and
funding for police and crime commissioners to
commission local services, including rape support
services.
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Has the Minister made an assessment of the report by
the Justice Committee that raising the small claims
limit would represent an unacceptable barrier to
justice for victims of road traffic accidents,
workplace accidents, and public liability incidents?
Will the Department revisit those proposals in that
light?
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It is important that all people, whether they have
small claims or big claims, have access to court. One
measure that we have already brought in is the small
civil claims court, which enables claims to be brought
online very quickly, often without the need for legal
representation.
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Notwithstanding Tommy Robinson’s gross contempt, does
the Minister understand the level of public unease into
he tapped?
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That is a very important issue and I am very happy to
discuss it with my right hon. Friend.
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I did not hear that. It would be most helpful if the
Minister would look at the House as she answers,
because I was looking forward to savouring the reply
but unfortunately did not hear it. [Interruption.] You
are going to have a chat with the fella about it. That
is very useful to know. We are deeply grateful.
I just say to disappointed colleagues who did not get
in on substantive questions that they might with
advantage stay for topicals. I know they are very busy
with many commitments and very full diaries, but if
they feel able to hang around, they might find it to
their advantage.
Topical Questions
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T1. If he will make a statement on his
departmental responsibilities. [905602]
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Since the last Justice questions, my Department has
published an education and employment strategy for
adult prisoners. My vision is that when an offender
enters prison they should immediately be put on the
path to employment on release. To deliver this, we are
giving governors powers to tailor education provision
to employers’ requirements. We are launching the New
Futures Network to broker partnerships with employers,
and we are consulting on measures to get more prisoners
into workplaces on day release during their sentences.
Success will mean more prisoners leaving custody ready
for work and more employers ready to hire them.
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Releasing prisoners immediately before the weekend,
when housing offices, benefits offices and other
sources of advice are closed, leaves vulnerable
individuals without support and more likely to
reoffend. Will the Justice Secretary take immediate
steps to address this ridiculous practice?
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I thank the hon. Lady, because I hear exactly the point
that she is making. I have asked my Department for the
evidence on this issue. If the evidence does point
towards worse levels of reoffending and real
difficulties for offenders if they are released on a
Friday, we will look at that.
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T2. Recent reports emerging from Belgium suggest
that the suspect in the alleged terrorist murder of two
police officers was a small-time crook who had been
radicalised in prison. What steps have been taken to
reduce the risk of radicalisation in our own
prisons? [905603]
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This is a hugely important issue. It is not about
identifying people who are in prison for
terrorism-related offences but people such as that
individual who have been put in prison for other
offences and have been radicalised in prison. The
challenge is first to identify those individuals, then
to work with the security services and the police to
really investigate them, then to put the measures in
place either to change their behaviour or to separate
them from the general population.
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T4. My local council and police have raised
concerns about the impact of court closures on their
costs and on their effectiveness, especially with
regard to the detrimental effect on good management of
housing and reducing crime, so will the Minister
undertake a proper evaluation of whether, across
Government, this has been a case of penny wise and
pound foolish? [905605]
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As the right hon. Gentleman will know, with any sale of
a court, the money is reinvested in the justice system.
We have a £1 billion court reform programme, and the
sale of any court will go into that investment.
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T3. A freedom of information request by the Press
Association found that there had been only 11 charges
related to the practice of upskirting since 2015. Does
the Minister share my constituents’ outrage about the
upset that upskirting causes victims, and will she
provide an update on the Department’s review of the
current law? [905604]
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My hon. Friend is right to identify that victims of
upskirting are caused a great deal of upset. My
officials have met Gina Martin, who has campaigned very
hard on this issue. We are also looking at the details
of the private Member’s Bill on this very important
issue introduced by the hon. Member for Bath (Wera
Hobhouse).
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T6. [905607]I was contacted recently by my constituent,
Anna Arnone, who was employed as a prosecuting
barrister by the CPS. Her work allegedly was removed
without notice or explanation, and she was refused any
statutory interest on the amount owed. Will the
Minister commit to look into my constituent’s case if I
forward her the details?
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If that matter falls within my remit, I am happy to do
so. If it is to do with the CPS, it will be for the
Attorney General.
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T5. I will repeat the same question as last time,
on the grounds that unless one makes oneself a complete
bore, nobody listens. What progress has the Secretary
of State made on replacing short sentences with
alternatives? Short sentences in prison rarely achieve
anything, due to a lack of training and
rehabilitation. [905606]
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My hon. Friend may have noticed that I made some
remarks recently that were very sympathetic to that
point of view. He has been effective before becoming a
bore; I congratulate him on that. Reoffending rates for
those given a short sentence are higher than for those
given a non-custodial sentence, which is why we are
delivering alternatives.
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T8. One of the most upsetting cases I have dealt
with over the past 12 months was where my constituent’s
children were sexually abused by their father. I would
like to thank the Under-Secretary of State for Justice,
the hon. and learned Member for South East
Cambridgeshire (Lucy Frazer), for her co-operation thus
far. However, can the Minister explain why the victim’s
criminal injuries compensation claim was originally
turned down due to a lack of evidence, when the father
is currently serving a lengthy prison sentence? How
many children are facing that
situation? [905609]
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I thank the hon. Lady for her question. I met Hannah
Jones at a Westminster Hall debate organised by the
hon. Member for Swansea East (Carolyn Harris). That is
a dreadful case. I gather that the Criminal Injuries
Compensation Authority is reviewing it and that that
information will be transmitted to Hannah this
afternoon.
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T7. Does the Minister agree that greater use of
release on temporary licence for work placements can
play a significant role in helping inmates to
transition back into society and, crucially, reduce
reoffending rates? [905608]
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I very much agree. Indeed, that is a point we make
strongly in our education and employment strategy.
Release on temporary licence can help get people into
work when they leave prison. If they are in work, they
are less likely to reoffend, and that can bring down
crime.
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T9. What assessment have the Secretary of State
and the Home Secretary made of the adequacy of the new
process for EU citizens who are residents in the UK to
apply for settled status? [905610]
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That is a matter for the Home Office, but I am assured
that the Home Office believes that the system can
deliver what we need for the country.
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Futures Unlocked is a Warwickshire charity with a
community café called Moriarty’s in Rugby, providing
work experience and job opportunities for those who
have just completed a prison term. Does the Minister
agree that locally managed schemes such as that are
valuable in reducing reoffending rates?
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Very much so, and I want to pay tribute to the
employers, businesses and charities that do so much in
this space. I am pleased that there is a consensus in
the House that we need to focus on rehabilitation and
reoffending, and one of the best ways of doing that is
focusing on employment.
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T10. I have constituents who are close family
members of the murdered Fusilier Lee Rigby. They are
being taunted by the constant drip, drip of musings
from within the Prison Service of his two killers. Can
Ministers ask the Prison Service to get a grip on those
pronouncements and the ability to make them, and if
they are to be made, might the family be informed
first? [905611]
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Absolutely. That is disgusting and disturbing
behaviour, and I will be talking directly to the
governor of the prisons concerned.
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“This prison gives you the chance to reassess and
rebuild your life.” Those are the words of one of the
women at East Sutton Park Prison in my constituency. I
thank the Under-Secretary of State for Justice, my hon.
Friend the Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee), who is
responsible for female offenders, for his recent visit
to the prison. Will he do all that he can to secure the
future of that prison, so that it can continue its good
work in preparing female offenders for life after
prison?
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Yes, I was very impressed by East Sutton Park. I have
now visited virtually every women’s prison in the
country, and the response from the women themselves is
what I took away from that visit. They had a hope for
the future that I had not encountered very much
elsewhere. I will be doing my best to go into bat for
East Sutton Park.
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Given that the Lord Chancellor has said that the
timetable for the review of the Legal Aid, Sentencing
and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012 is likely to slip,
and the fact that, in giving evidence to the Justice
Committee, the Law Society and the Criminal Law
Solicitors Association praised as refreshing the whole
independent review of Scottish legal aid, is this an
opportunity to pause and commission an independent
review in England and Wales?
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The hon. Gentleman refers to the report on Scottish
legal aid. I have looked at the review, which makes
some recommendations that my officials will be looking
at to improve our legal aid system. It is very
interesting to see in the report a number of measures
that we are taking—for example, in relation to video
links and the online court, which I have already
mentioned.
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The safety of prison officers in prisons is absolutely
pivotal, as my hon. Friend the Minister recognises. May
I urge him to give serious consideration to prison
officers carrying pepper spray?
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We are in fact already piloting the use of pepper
spray. With the correct training—it needs to be used
with the correct training—it can be an important part
of reducing violence, and we are working on the lessons
of those pilots.
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My constituent Caitriona McLaughlin, who is a
solicitor, was recently paid £255 for seven months’
work on a criminal legal aid case. Does the Minister
think that this was enough?
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It is obviously very difficult to comment on a
particular rate in a particular case for a particular
individual, but I am very happy to talk to the hon.
Gentleman about it. It is very important that criminal
legal aid barristers and solicitors are paid
appropriately for the amazing work that they do every
day, up and down this country, in protecting the most
vulnerable.
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If the Chair of the Select Committee can match his
legendary distinction with brevity, he will be an even
greater man. I call .
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Will the Secretary of State confirm that the single
departmental plan means that greater priority will be
given to developing robust non-custodial sentences to
divert those whom it is not necessary to send to prison
in the first place?
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Will the Secretary of State clarify whether, under the
Department’s vision for secure schools, Ministers will
close existing penal facilities, or is this yet another
way of incarcerating our children?
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There is no intention, in the longer term, to increase
the number of young people we lock up. Indeed, our
intention is to reduce the number of young people we
lock up, and that is why we are changing the
environment with the introduction of secure schools.
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While we regularly praise the likes of Greggs,
and Halfords for the
great work they do in employing ex-offenders, do
Ministers agree that the time has now come no longer to
allow employers that have made a blanket refusal to
employ any ex-offenders to carry on such an approach in
secret?
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My hon. Friend raises a very good point. As I have said
before, I think there has been a shift in public mood,
and employers should explain themselves if they take
such an approach, which I do not think is good for them
or for society.
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When I was a councillor, I visited Porterfield Prison
many times and learned many things, including how to
start a Mercedes without the ignition key. Will the
Minister tell us how the splendid new parliamentary
scheme will have an impact on the lives of our
prisoners, and on their hopes, needs and aspirations?
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The key target for the parliamentary scheme is of
course Members of Parliament, but the idea is to make
the public aware through them of what is happening in
prisons. Nothing drives change more in an institution
than opening it up to public scrutiny, and I hope that
that—in addition to learning how to start a Mercedes
without the key—will be one of the great benefits of
the new scheme.
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The EU prisoner transfer directive was meant to enable
us to transfer thousands of EU prisoners in UK prisons
to a prison in their own country. How many EU prisoners
have we actually transferred?
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If memory serves, it is something like 41,000 over the
past 10 years, but I will write to my hon. Friend to
confirm the numbers.
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Earlier this year, HMP Nottingham was issued with an
urgent notification as it is fundamentally unsafe. Will
Ministers tell me how many assaults on staff there have
been at the prison since this notification was
triggered?
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The urgent notification process was triggered at the
beginning of this year, and the report has just been
published. I do not have the exact figures for the
number of assaults on staff over the past four months,
but I am very happy to write to the hon. Gentleman with
those figures.
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The Government have had years to address the safety
problems at Bedford Prison following the riot in 2016,
but the prison is already back in special measures.
When will the Government get a grip on the prison and
publish an action plan, so that staff do not have to go
to work in fear of their lives?
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This question and the questions about Nottingham and
Exeter reveal a fundamental challenge across the system
in terms of assaults on prison officers. The solution
has to be to have the right numbers of officers to
restore the predictability of the regime, so that
prisoners calm down; to have body-worn cameras and CCTV
in place; and to make sure that in Bedford and all the
other challenged, violent local prisons we bring these
measures into place.
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What are the Government doing to reduce the ridiculous
one-year wait for immigration tribunal appeal hearings?
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I challenge the hon. Gentleman on his figures. I am
happy to give him the correct figures, but the
Government are doing a lot to reduce waiting times for
every type of tribunal, by increasing the number of
members of the judiciary and bringing in a number of
measures to make tribunals work much more effectively
together.
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One of my constituents has a brother who has been
missing for more than a year. She would like to step in
to manage his affairs and protect his property and
finances, but she cannot: although the Guardianship
(Missing Persons) Act 2017 received Royal Assent on 27
April 2017, it has yet to come into force because the
rules of court have not been published. When will the
Minister publish the rules of court to allow the Act to
take effect, so that my constituent can deal with her
missing brother’s affairs?
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I call the Minister—a Minister.
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If this is my responsibility, the hon. Gentleman can by
all means write to me about the details of his case.
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Age first: I call Barry Sheerman.
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Is the ministerial team aware of the growing concern in
some women’s prisons about the placement of transgender
people in those prisons? What is the Minister going to do
about it?
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I am fully aware, and I recognise that I have a
significant responsibility for the majority of the women
in those prisons, so that they are safe and secure. This
is a difficult issue to manage, but I am persuaded that
robust guidelines are in place, so that nothing untoward
would happen.
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Will the Secretary of State also look at the issue of
acquired brain injury in the youth justice system? One of
the most interesting pieces of work being done at the
moment shows that we can divert some of the most
difficult, troubled children if we bring together
psychologists, psychiatrists and prison and probation
officers—all the different teams—to transform individual
lives.
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I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for raising that
point, which we will look at very closely. I take this
opportunity to say, in answer to my hon. Friend the
Member for Kettering (Mr Hollobone), that 41,000 foreign
national offenders have indeed been deported since 2010.
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It is a pity that the hon. Member for Kettering is not
here, but I am sure that he will get to hear of it very
soon. We are extremely grateful to the Secretary of
State.
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