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Diane Abbott (Hackney North and Stoke Newington) (Lab) Urgent
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26 April 2018
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Urgent Question): To ask the Home Secretary if she
will make a statement about the use of removal
targets in the Home Office.
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Yesterday, I gave evidence to the Select Committee on
Home Affairs about the Windrush generation—the people
who contributed so much and who should never have
experienced what they have. These people are here
legally and should never have been subjected to any
form of removal action; and, as I told the Home
Affairs Committee yesterday, I have seen no evidence
that that has happened.
Everyone in this House agrees that this group were
here legally, but also that people who are here
illegally should be treated differently from legal
migrants. I am personally committed to tackling
illegal migration because I have seen at first hand
the terrible impact that it has on the most
vulnerable in our society—the exploitation and abuse
that can come hand-in-hand with illegal migration.
That is why my Department has been working to
increase the number of illegal migrants we
remove.
I have never agreed that there should be specific
removal targets and I would never support a policy
that puts targets ahead of people. The immigration
arm of the Home Office has been using local targets
for internal performance management. These were not
published targets against which performance was
assessed, but if they were used inappropriately, then
I am clear that this will have to change. I have
asked officials to provide me with a full picture of
the performance measurement tools which were used at
all levels, and I will update the House, and the Home
Affairs Committee, as soon as possible.
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Another day, another revelation about the Windrush
scandal. Yesterday, giving evidence to the Home
Affairs Committee, the Home Secretary said in
terms:
“We don’t have targets for removals.”
But the general secretary of the Immigration Service
Union told the Committee earlier that there is a net
removals target that enforcement teams have to meet
and that they are aiming to remove a certain number
of individuals in any given month. The general
secretary later confirmed that the target this month
was 8,337, with targets on posters in regional
centres. When resigned
over the Falklands, he said that it was a matter of
honour. Is it not time that the Home Secretary
considered her honour and resigned?
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I would like to make the very clear distinction
between legal and illegal migrants. The right hon.
Lady talks about the Windrush cohort. We have already
established that the Windrush cohort is here legally.
This Government are determined to put this right,
which is why I put in the new measures to ensure that
that happens.
I believe that I have addressed the issue of targets,
referring to the fact that some offices are working
with them. Unfortunately, I was not aware of them,
and I want to be aware of them, which is why I am now
putting in place different measures to ensure that
that happens.
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Will my right hon. Friend be assured that she has the
total support of Conservative Members in trying to
resolve a very difficult legacy issue? Does she agree
that dealing with the Windrush generation, who are
entirely entitled to be here, is not the same thing
at all, as Labour Members try to say, as removing
illegal immigrants?
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I thank my right hon. Friend for putting it so
clearly; it is such an important distinction to make.
This Government, like many Governments before,
including Labour Governments, took action against
illegal immigrants. Some former Labour Home
Secretaries had some very clear targets about
removing illegal migrants. Removing illegal migrants
is what Governments should be doing in order to
protect the taxpayer and in order to make sure that
no abuse takes place in the UK.
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The revelation that Home Office removal targets exist
comes as no surprise to me or any of the hundreds of
constituents who have come to my surgeries over the
past three years. There is a litany of callous
incompetence from this Department. It is a problem of
deliberate policy—a cruel “hostile environment”
policy introduced by the former Home Secretary, now
the Prime Minister, and continued unabated by the
current Home Secretary.
Can the Home Secretary tell this House when targets
were introduced, who signed them off, and how they
were monitored? Can she tell us about the local
targets and whether they were in place in Scotland?
Can she tell us what happened to Home Office
caseworkers who failed to meet those targets? If it
is true that posters were being displayed to remind
staff of the targets, how is it possible that the
Home Secretary and the director of border,
immigration and citizenship were not fully aware of
this? This Home Secretary is presiding over a
Department out of control, marked by cruelty and
chaos. Will she stop shielding the Prime Minister?
Will she do the honourable thing and resign?
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I think that once more the hon. Lady is confusing the
difference between legal and illegal migrants. Like
any other Member of this House, I do not think that
she would want the UK to be a home for illegal
migrants. That is why we have policies which make it
difficult for illegal migrants to thrive in the UK.
That is exactly the right thing to do. It was started
under former Governments. It has been continued under
this one because we must remove people who are here
illegally.
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I urge my right hon. Friend not to be knocked off
course by the Opposition parties on the issue of
illegal immigration. Most people in the real world,
outside of the Labour party, the Scottish National
party and the metropolitan London elite in the media,
believe that the Government do not do enough to
remove illegal immigrants from this country, not that
they are doing too much. All the Opposition parties
are demonstrating is how out of touch they have
become with working-class communities up and down the
country.
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I thank my hon. Friend for his comment. He is right;
the public expect us to remove illegal migrants who
are here and who do damage to our society, and it is
right that the Home Office has a policy which makes
sure that that has happened. Once more, I want to be
absolutely clear that that is not the case with the
Windrush cohort, who are here legally, and the group
of people we are reaching out to, to make sure that
we support them and get the documentation they need.
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It is obviously deeply disappointing that the Home
Secretary did not know the facts when she gave
evidence to our Committee yesterday. I look forward
to more detail from her on this, and I have a
follow-up question. The Foreign Office has said that
in April 2016, as part of regular ministerial
dialogue with Caribbean partners, Foreign Office
Ministers were made aware of concerns about some
immigration deportation cases. Were those concerns
passed to Home Office Ministers, and what did they
do?
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The right hon. Lady raised that with me yesterday,
and I said to her then, as I repeat here, that I will
look into that and come back to her with an answer to
that question as soon as I can.
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The Home Secretary’s remedy has been rightly
generous, but should not the target for law breaking
always be zero?
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That is a target we can all agree with.
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I asked the Home Secretary at the last urgent
question how many people had been deported. She said
she did not know. I asked her how many people had
been imprisoned in their own country. She said she
did not know. There are impact statements that have
been ignored. There are letters from MPs, and she
said she was not aware of a pattern. We now
understand that people have been removed because of
targets, and she said she did not know. I say with
all conscience: is she really the right person to
lead this office of state?
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The right hon. Gentleman asked early on about the
issue of removals, and I have addressed it in the
action that I have taken and in the report that I
gave to the Select Committee yesterday. We have
established that there were 8,000 people within the
cohort who might have had Windrush
characteristics—the indication that he has put in his
social media—and we have gone through them and found
that of the 7,000 we have looked at by hand, none
qualify in terms of removal. He quite rightly
continues to ask questions about what might have
happened in different situations, but I must respond
by saying that until we have looked, we cannot have a
definitive answer. It has come as some element of
surprise to have this particular shape as a number of
cases that came to the Home Office over a period. As
we discussed yesterday in the Select Committee, there
were indications, but they were not put together as
the systemic failure that clearly took place.
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The Opposition talk about a culture of fear being
spread, but is my right hon. Friend aware that it was
the shadow Home Secretary in 2013 who complained
about a reduction in the number of illegal immigrants
being deported?
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My right hon. Friend raises an important point. There
are plenty of examples and quotations from the Labour
party about its targets and determination to remove
illegals. Removing illegals is something that
everybody and every Government should do and want to
do, and this Government make no excuse for wanting to
do it, but the Windrush group, whom we all respect,
are a completely separate group, are legal, and we
want to make sure that we look after them.
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The Government have a target to reduce immigration,
legal or illegal. Could it be that officials were
following Ministers’ lead?
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It is my experience that our caseworkers work with
compassion and care in administering their duties.
Under this leadership, I will always make sure that
they do.
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To what extent was my right hon. Friend’s
Department’s ability to monitor and assess the level
of illegal immigration impeded by the abandonment of
exit checks in 1998?
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My right hon. Friend is right of course that exit
checks are an important part of securing our borders
and knowing who comes and goes, and I am very pleased
that this Government reintroduced them in 2015.
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I have always been puzzled about why my constituent
Shiromini Satkunarajah, a Londoner and student at
Bangor University, was wrongly detained at Yarl’s
Wood last year. The answer now seems to be clear. She
was a Tamil who escaped from Sri Lanka as a child and
was reporting to the police station, as she was
required to do under law—she was doing her duty under
the law. She was, to use that horrible, dehumanising
phrase, “low-hanging fruit”. What is the Home
Secretary now doing to identify and provide redress
to those not of the Windrush generation but whose
lives have wrongly been disrupted by Home Office
target chasing?
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I want to make it clear that I would never use that
phrase, and it is not an approach I would want
anybody working in the Home Office to take. I have
said that, as a result of the Windrush changes, I
will make sure that the Home Office has a more human
face. I am setting up a new contact centre and making
sure there are more senior caseworkers so that the
more junior caseworkers have the confidence to make
their decisions by engaging with somebody really
experienced. I accept that we need to make the Home
Office more personal, and I will be doing that.
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Order. I am keen to accommodate a few more
colleagues, but there is huge pressure on time and
therefore all inquiries, without exception, need to
be brief, and the responses characteristically so
from the Home Secretary.
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May I commend the Home Secretary for her response to
the Windrush scandal but press her on the separate
issue of illegal immigration? Press reports this week
show that 27,000 illegal immigrants have been
arrested by 28 forces in the past four years. Why is
it being left to the police to arrest illegal
immigrants? Why are they not being stopped at the
border?
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I accept that we should do more at the border,
although there are areas where we are having some
success. I point, in particular, to our juxtaposed
border in France, in Calais, where we stop an
enormous number of illegals trying to get to the UK.
We are investing more money, alongside the French, to
make sure we can have more success there, so I hope
that my hon. Friend will see some progress.
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This is not about illegals; it is about British
citizens and people with a legal right to be here,
and it goes well beyond the Windrush generation. How
many cases are known to Ministers and officials of
people who have been wrongfully deported or
wrongfully detained? I know for a fact that there are
cases in both categories—I met some of the
individuals yesterday. How many are there in each
category?
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As I said to the hon. Gentleman yesterday at the
Select Committee hearing, as a result of the Windrush
scandal, we are going back to 2002 to look at whether
there have been any inappropriate deportations, and
when we have that information, I will come back to
the Committee.
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When I was elected in May 2010, I was shocked by the
sheer number of unresolved immigration cases I had to
deal with straightaway. Does my right hon. Friend
recall that under the last Labour Government, the
then Home Secretary had to have two separate
amnesties because no one knew how many people were
here?
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I do recall that, and I do recall some of the choice
phrases that previous Labour Home Secretaries used
about the Home Office. Under this leadership, we will
be able to change that and make real progress.
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Immigration is one of the most high-profile areas the
Home Secretary is responsible for, and one that the
public care deeply about. Was she asleep when she did
not know there were targets for the removal of
illegal immigrants?
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Immigration is a really important part of the role of
the Home Office and the Home Secretary. It is not the
only part, but it is one in which I take a serious
interest, and I believe that the changes I will be
making will enable better monitoring of issues that
arise, such as that of the Windrush cohort, which, as
we have discussed, is a situation that has been going
on for many years and was not spotted by any previous
Government. I hope that those changes will help to
give me those sorts of alerts.
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Whatever the historical background to the problems,
the Government have committed to paying compensation,
where appropriate, to members of the Windrush
generation. Will the Home Secretary confirm that she
will have a wide-ranging consultation before putting
that scheme in place?
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I do think it is important to set up a compensation
package; it is important that that compensation is
independently monitored; and it is important that a
consultation is carried out before that takes place.
I hope that my hon. Friend will be satisfied when I
set that out in due course.
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I think people will accept that the Home Secretary
and her lead official did not deliberately mislead
the Home Affairs Committee yesterday, not least
because what she said was so easily disproved. But it
is a very serious matter that she and her lead
official appeared not to be aware of the removal
targets.
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I repeat to the hon. Gentleman that I have not
authorised any targets for the future. I have seen
the information that has been revealed, and I have
heard about the types of phrases that the hon. Member
for Arfon (Hywel Williams) referred to, and that were
apparently used to the Committee. I thoroughly
disagree with that; I think we should have a
compassionate, clear and informed approach to
immigration, and I am going to ensure that that
happens.
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Quite rightly, my right hon. Friend has set up a
dedicated team to deal with the issues that affect
the Windrush generation. Will she update the House on
how quickly these cases are being processed?
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I committed in the House to making sure that when the
information is collected by my taskforce, the
conclusions and the documents are passed to the
individuals within two weeks. That target is being
exceeded at the moment, and it is my strong aim and
ambition to ensure that that high level of service is
kept up, because those individuals deserve nothing
less.
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Is the Home Secretary, like her predecessor, the
current Prime Minister, “sick and tired” of Ministers
who blame others when something goes wrong? Surely,
if the Home Secretary takes full responsibility for
this serious issue, she should do the honourable
thing and resign.
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I do take seriously my responsibility, but I think
that I am the person who can put this right. I
understand that the House will want to hold me to
account for that, but I am confident that the changes
I am committed to putting in place, and the
transparency that will go with them, will deliver the
changes that are expected.
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May I ask that the Home Secretary bears in mind the
views of my constituents, who have praised the
compassion that she has expressed on behalf of the
Windrush generation but also said that they would
like a continued focus on the removal of illegal
migrants who take advantage, unfairly, of all
law-abiding taxpayers?
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I thank my hon. Friend for his question. Although I
do not in any way minimise the serious nature of what
took place with the Windrush group, I agree with him
that in the vast majority of cases and situations, my
office and UK Visas and Immigration do an excellent
job, and I am proud of the work that they do.
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It is clear that the extreme pressure that is put on
local teams is coming from the central target to
reduce immigration to the tens of thousands, and to
include international students in that target. Is now
not the time to rethink that central approach to
immigration, and to make sure we focus the pressure
where it needs to be focused, not on things that are
unrealistic?
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The targets that were apparently being looked at were
for illegal migrants, so I think it is wholly
different. There may be a time for a discussion about
legal migration, but at the moment I think it is
right that our focus is on illegal migration to make
sure that it is handled in a fair, compassionate and
transparent way.
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Yet again, the Opposition are playing politics with
people’s lives. Does my right hon. Friend agree that
it is morally wrong to confuse illegal immigration
with that of the Windrush generation?
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My hon. Friend makes an important point about the
strong difference between legal and illegal
migration. If Opposition Members looked back at their
own former Home Secretaries, they would find some
very strong language and some clear targets on
removing illegals from this country.
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Single-sentence inquiries without semicolons or
subordinate clauses, please.
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I will do my best to delight, Mr Speaker. Many
highland families have faced deportation or have been
deported because of the highly technical rules, or
even because of rule changes during compliance. Does
the Secretary of State agree that this aggressive
targeting is ripping the heart out of highland
communities?
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I have resolved to put in place a more personal
system for when applicants go to UKVI, and I think
and hope that the hon. Gentleman’s constituents will,
in due course, notice a difference.
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Brevity personified, Anna Soubry.
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It is not fair, Mr Speaker. You set me up to fail and
I always do. This is a serious issue. Does my right
hon. Friend agree that part of Labour’s dreadful
legacy was an obsession with targets? As an excellent
new broom, will she assure us that she will search in
every nook and cranny, and ensure that immigrants,
migrants, are seen as people and not numbers?
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I completely agree with my right hon. Friend’s
approach, and I do not want us to be run by a target
culture. I want to ensure that the individual is put
at the heart of every decision.
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I call Richard Burden, who in my experience is also
brevity personified.
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Thank you, Mr Speaker, I will do my best. Is the
problem that a culture of tunnel-vision suspicion has
been encouraged in the Home Office? Only last week in
my constituency, that culture led officials to
attempt to remove a man who had come to this country
legally on a multi-entry visa, to be with his wife
who had just been through a difficult pregnancy and
termination. He had booked a return ticket to
Jamaica, but officials said that he had “undermined
his position” because he said that he wanted to spend
as much time with his wife as he was legally able to
do. Is there something wrong with that kind of
mindset?
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I hope the hon. Gentleman was able to resolve the
situation for his constituent. I have had nothing but
praise from MPs about the MPs hotline, which works
well for people—[Interruption.] Clearly there are a
few exceptions on the SNP Benches, but most
colleagues across the House have said that it works
well, and I hope it was able to be of assistance.
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Illegal immigration is wrong because it creates
unfairness for legal migrants, like the Windrush
generation, who do the right thing and play by the
rules. Is it vital to keep that distinction and not
allow the Labour party cynically to conflate the two
issues for political purposes?
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My hon. Friend is right: it is a completely different
situation. Everybody in the House wants to welcome
the Windrush cohort and ensure that they are properly
looked after and that a compensation scheme is put in
place, but we rightly all have a different view about
illegal migrants.
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This week the Home Secretary said that she was not
aware of a number of policy initiatives. Who is
running her Department?
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I accept the criticism regarding the issue that I
debated earlier today and my conversations with the
Home Affairs Committee, and that is why I am in the
House to set out the changes that I will make. I hope
I will have the opportunity to make those changes
clear to the House in future, and to continue to
develop the confidence of everybody involved.
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I am lucky to have constituents who have come to
Leicestershire from all over the world, and they are
inspirational people. Does the Home Secretary agree
with them that it would not be fair to abolish the
distinction between people who have done the right
thing and obeyed all the rules, and those who have
come to this country illegally?
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That is a good point, and people who have come here
legally and who go through the rules and
pay—sometimes at quite a high cost—to become a member
of our communities, are also those who do not want
illegal migration to be treated trivially. That is
why we are committed to taking a firm approach to
illegal migration.
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As reported by Faisal Islam yesterday, in 2013 the
Foreign Office funded videos that promoted
deportation to Jamaica, but it acknowledged that the
challenge of resuming a life after an absence of 20
or 30 years can be daunting. Will the Home Secretary
explain why Government Departments are pushing for
deportations to countries such as Jamaica?
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We are not pushing for that sort of event.
[Interruption.] The hon. Gentleman may want to bring
videos into the Chamber, but I am not aware, Mr
Speaker, that we are allowed to play them in here
yet.
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My right hon. Friend has shown real steadfastness
throughout this situation. Is she aware of the
disquiet on doorsteps in Solihull about illegal
immigrants accessing services? All sensible countries
have a balanced approach to immigration, including
removal when necessary.
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I thank my hon. Friend for his comment, and he is
right. His constituents, like mine, will want to make
sure that services available from the DWP, such as
benefits, are not made available to illegals. Labour
of course supported that approach when they were in
office some years ago, and this Government have
continued to build on that.
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The Home Office decides who is legal and who is
illegal in these cases. I have seen deported—or
threatened with deportation—a man with scars on his
back from whipping; somebody who was terminally ill
and later died; and somebody whose dead children are
buried in my constituency. All those people have been
classed as illegal by the Home Office. Surely they
should not be removed.
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All those cases sound very difficult, but I cannot
make immigration comments on the Floor of the House.
I am very happy if the hon. Lady wants to talk to me
or send me details of individual cases; I will make
sure that we look at them.
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I thank my right hon. Friend for being completely
focused on getting help to real people who need and
deserve it. Can she reassure my constituent that the
compensation scheme will be designed in full
consultation with those people who deserve
compensation?
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My hon. Friend is right. We need to make sure that
the compensation scheme addresses the actual needs of
people who have lost out by not having their proper
documentation put in place by successive Governments.
That is why I am committed to having a consultation
on the scheme and making sure that it is run
independently.
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Will the Home Secretary please commit to Home Office
officials playing by the rules as well, and look into
the case of the partner of my constituent Kelly, who
was deported back to Jamaica last week with no
notice, when his appeal had still not been decided?
His partner is due to give birth in four weeks’ time.
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I thank the hon. Lady for raising that case with me.
The Minister for Immigration is sitting beside me; I
know she will want to discuss that case with the hon.
Lady.
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The independent inspector’s report in 2015
reported:
“The Family Returns Process’s target for the
financial year 2014/15 was 252 returns”—
including both voluntary returns and required
returns. Is or is not that a target? Did the Home
Secretary or her predecessor know about it? Is it
still in place or not?
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We made changes in 2010 that were specifically to
support families and children who might be at risk of
being removed. For instance, we banned the detention
of children outside of families, which had been
taking place before 2010. So I believe we made some
changes in 2010 and going forward, which really were
trying to assist families and children, rather than
the opposite.
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Does the Home Secretary consider the Chagos
islanders, who are in the UK because they were
forcibly removed from their ancestral homelands by
the British state, to be illegal migrants? Do any
attempts to remove them count towards these targets?
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I know the Chagos islands have a specific situation.
I also know that My hon. Friend the Member for
Crawley (Henry Smith) will be bringing his British
Indian Ocean Territory (Citizenship) Bill to the
Chamber soon and I look forward to hearing the
arguments on it.
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Even if they avoid final deportation, the experience
of being arrested and being detailed indefinitely
without trial is a humiliating and degrading
experience for any innocent person. Can the Home
Secretary tell us how many innocent, legally here,
people have been subjected to unlawful arrest and
detention, thanks to these targets?
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I do not accept the premise of the hon. Gentleman’s
question. The real issue here, which started with how
the Windrush generation have been treated, is one
that I am looking at very seriously, because I
believe that they were incorrectly identified, in
some cases, as illegal, when of course, as we all
know, they are here legally. That is the case load
that I am going through at the moment. We have gone
through 8,000 out of 9,000, back to 2002, and we have
not yet found anybody who meets that threshold.
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