Higher Education 8.16 pm Angela Rayner
(Ashton-under-Lyne) (Lab) I beg to move, That an
Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, praying that the Higher
Education and Research Act 2017 (Consequential, Transitional,
Transitory and Saving Provisions) Regulations 2018 (S.I., 2018, No.
245), dated 26 February 2018, a copy of which...Request free trial
Higher Education
8.16 pm
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(Ashton-under-Lyne)
(Lab)
I beg to move,
That an Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, praying
that the Higher Education and Research Act 2017
(Consequential, Transitional, Transitory and Saving
Provisions) Regulations 2018 (S.I., 2018, No. 245), dated
26 February 2018, a copy of which was laid before this
House on 28 February, be annulled.
I thank the Leader of the House for scheduling this debate,
even if slightly belatedly. When the Opposition pray
against a statutory instrument, it should be clear that the
whole House is entitled to a debate and vote. I hope that
Government Whips reflect on that point when considering the
point of order made earlier today by my hon. Friend the
Member for Leeds East (Richard Burgon).
Unfortunately, the Government ignoring criticism until it
is too late has been a recurring feature of the development
of the Office for Students. Throughout the passage of the
Higher Education and Research Act 2017, we raised questions
and concerns that have remained answered. I suspect that
even the Minister might privately wish his colleagues had
heeded advice about the appointment of Toby Young some time
before he eventually resigned. What a shambolic and
politicised appointment process, which still hangs over
both the Office for Students and the Government today.
The commissioner for public appointments found that the
governance code was not followed—itself a breach of the
ministerial code. It is now more than a month since I wrote
to the Prime Minister and the Cabinet Secretary on this
point, and I am yet to receive a proper answer. Perhaps the
Minister who is here today can at least now clarify his
position. He told us at the Dispatch Box:
“The same due diligence was carried out by the same
advisers on all the candidates.”—[Official Report, 27
February 2018; Vol. 636, c. 698.]
That directly contradicts the conclusion of the
commissioner for public appointments. Perhaps the Minister
can now tell us whether he rejects the findings of the
independent commissioner, or would he like to correct the
record? Can he give the House any update on what the
Government are doing to enforce the ministerial code and
ensure that this scandal is not repeated?
This is important because the composition of the board
remains highly controversial even now. The new Minister has
indicated that even he might like the board to be more
representative. In a written answer to my hon. Friend the
Member for Blackpool South (Gordon Marsden),he said he
would enter a
“dialogue with the OfS Chair…to ensure that both student
interests and the further education sector”
are represented on the board. That point is one that his
right hon. Friend the Member for Harlow (Robert Halfon) has
also made as Chair of the Education Committee, so can the
Minister tell us what progress he has made? Will he also
look at a voice for staff, which the University and College
Union has called for?
The appointments process has been symptomatic of a
Government that have tried to use the Office for Students
to pursue a deeply ideological agenda. It is bad enough
that the Government embedded their free market approach in
the original Act, giving the Office for Students a duty to
promote competition.
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(Mid Dorset and
North Poole) (Con)
What does the hon. Lady say to Universities UK, which says
that
“annulment of the statutory instrument is…not in the
interest of either universities or students”?
Is this not just another example of Labour playing politics
with our students?
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This is not about annulling; this is about the Government
making sure that legislation is fit for purpose. If the
motion is passed tonight, the Government can go away and
ensure that the Office for Students is fit for purpose. So
far they have only undermined their own legislation, and
their behaviour since has only worsened the fears. They
seem to believe that education is a commodity to be bought
and sold for private gain and not public good. Let me be
clear: we fundamentally reject that belief. It is an
approach that does not work for individuals or the system
as a whole.
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(Stretford and Urmston)
(Lab)
My hon. Friend is aware of the plans for the new UA92
university academy in my constituency, a public-private
partnership with Lancaster University, to which Trafford
Council is contributing funds and Gary and Phil Neville and
other members of the Manchester United class of ’92 are
acting as private sponsors. Does she agree that the role of
the Office for Students as both a funder and a regulator
must be clarified to ensure that such public-private
partnerships are sustainable and adequately funded and that
the taxpayer, including the council tax payer in Trafford,
is not left facing the risk in the case of market failure?
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My hon. Friend is absolutely right—indeed that goes to the
nub of the issue, which is that there are serious failings
in the legislation around its acting as provider and
regulator and a conflict of interest in the regulations. We
have seen that, for example, in the Government’s
desperation to promote new private providers. They are
already playing fast and loose with the title “university”,
handing it out without proper scrutiny or oversight. Every
time the title “university” is given to a new provider
without ensuring it provides a good education, it not only
risks students and the taxpayer being ripped off but
potentially damages the integrity and reputation of the
whole system. As MillionPlus has made clear, this is of
concern not just to the old established institutions but to
the newer universities, such as the one my hon. Friend the
Member for Stretford and Urmston (Kate Green) just
mentioned.
The Government’s Office for Students guidance seems to have
abandoned the category of registered provider that was in
the original legislation. Will the Minister tell us if new
small providers will now be outside the regulation of the
Office for Students entirely? With Britain’s exit from the
European Union presenting a serious challenge to our
world-class higher education providers, these risks cannot
be justified, now or ever. The regulations transfer the
powers of the Higher Education Funding Council for England
to the Office for Students. In taking on the functions of
HEFCE, the Office for Students will set and implement its
own policy agenda. I hope he will tell us how he plans to
address the potential conflicts arising from its regulating
a sector in which it is an active participant.
The new Office for Students will not have all of HEFCE’s
powers. It cannot, for instance, intervene when providers
are in a difficult position—apparently that is in pursuit
of a free market in which providers must be allowed to
fail. Can the Minister assure us that the Office for
Students has the powers it needs to protect students when
they need its protection? Or will it just stand by in the
name of ideology? The regulations also pass on powers of
the Office for Fair Access. The danger of this move is that
it robs the director of fair access of their independence
and ability to negotiate directly with universities. Why is
he removing from the director final authority to approve or
reject access and participation plans?
This comes at a time when widening access could not be more
important. The National Union of Students today exposed the
cost of living crisis that has left the poorest students
facing a poverty premium and the highest costs of access to
education. While we have a plan to address the crisis,
including by scrapping tuition fees and bringing back
maintenance grants, the Government have kicked it into the
long grass with their review.
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(Redditch) (Con)
We on the Government Benches agree that it is important
that students from disadvantaged backgrounds have the
chance to go to university, as they are doing in increasing
numbers under this Government. Does the hon. Lady agree
that if these regulations are annulled, as she seems to be
suggesting—I hope it is not the case—it will hamper
universities’ ability to drive those access plans, which
help young people from disadvantaged backgrounds go to
university?
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As I was outlining, the poorer students today are leaving
with the highest levels of debt, and this Government
scrapped the maintenance grants that would have helped
them. The next Labour Government will reintroduce
maintenance grants and scrap tuition fees to make sure that
our students can get the education they deserve. I ask the
Minister to think again and ensure that everyone, whatever
their background, can access education.
This brings us back to a fundamental point. What do the
Government believe the role of the new Office for Students
should be—an independent regulator, a funding council, a
validator of degrees or a body to micromanage universities?
How will a university know when it is dealing with the
regulator, a funding council or the voice of Government? It
is that final point that will be concerning to many
universities and students, who worry that, far from acting
as a voice for students to the Government—[Interruption.] I
ask as the Minister chunters away—the Office for Students
will be the opposite: the Government demanding a voice on
to students. For instance, the Minister wants the Office
for Students to stop no-platform policies that ban hate
groups from student unions. This seems to be a solution in
search of a problem. Perhaps he can explain why he believes
that he and the board of the Office for Students should use
their resources to interfere at this level.
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(Ilford North)
(Lab)
My hon. Friend is making an incredibly powerful speech. One
of the groups on the NUS’s no-platform policy was Hizb
ut-Tahrir. Presumably, if Hizb ut-Tahrir was not on the
NUS’s no-platform policy and student unions were not making
efforts to stop it speaking, the Government would be
attacking student unions for not doing enough to tackle
extremism on campuses. Does this not expose the ideological
flaws at the heart of the Government’s obsession with what
is frankly a debate best reserved for student union
meetings, rather than the House of Commons?
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I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend, who makes some
excellent points, as he did throughout the Committee stage
of the Higher Education and Research Act 2017. It seems
ironic that many of the organisations or individuals listed
under the NUS’s no-platform policy have been banned by the
Government themselves. Is it still the Government’s policy
to fine universities for the actions of autonomous student
unions? If so, will the Minister explain how high the fines
will go?
While the Government are prepared to dictate student union
speakers lists, they have shied away from the real issues,
such as the soaring pay of vice-chancellors, while staff
pay continues to fall in real terms. The Labour party has
set out a plan to tackle pay inequality and accountability,
but the Minister seems strangely shy about using the
sweeping powers of the Office for Students. Instead he has
said he is “intensely relaxed” about runaway pay packets.
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(Chippenham)
(Con)
I thank the hon. Lady for being so generous with her time.
However, it is not true that the Government are shying away
from the issue of vice-chancellors’ pay. I have raised it
during Prime Minister’s Question Time, and we are working
on it in the Education Committee, looking into value for
money. The Government commissioned a review of higher
education, and the Office for Students will be focusing on
value for money as well as choice and transparency. I think
we should get our facts straight in this debate rather than
misleading the public.
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I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, and I pay
tribute to the Education Committee for its work in holding
the Government to account, but I will believe what she has
said when I see action. The Government have taken no action
whatsoever against vice-chancellors’ pay. It is all warm
words and no action. Will the Office for Students be
concerned with the real issues, or simply with scoring
cheap political points? [Interruption.]
The simple fact is that the Government have created a
regulator in which it is hard for the sector, let alone the
rest of us, to have any confidence, and the regulations
simply entrench the problem. Today, we cannot turn the
clock back and unpick the entire regulatory framework that
the Office for Students establishes. That is not what will
happen if the motion is passed. Instead, the Government
will be forced to think again about the problems that we
have raised, and come up with genuine solutions that will
create a regulator that has the confidence of those whom it
regulates. That is all that I am asking them to do.
8.30 pm
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(Harlow) (Con)
As we heard from the hon. Member for Ashton-under-Lyne
(Angela Rayner), the Education Committee has been
conducting an inquiry into value for money in higher
education, which has included an investigation of the role
of the Office for Students.
I support the OfS as the new regulator, and I will support
the Government tonight. I have confidence in Sir Michael
Barber, especially in the light of his appearance before
the Committee. Members on both sides of the House who are
present this evening will have heard what he said then. I
was pleased to hear him speak so positively about the
increase in the number of degree apprenticeships—two of my
favourite words in the English language—but I am concerned
about the lack of further education representatives on the
board. I find it incredibly disappointing that that
important part of our education sector is being neglected
yet again. Further education and apprenticeships play a
vital role in access to higher education for the most
disadvantaged and are crucial to building the skills base
and productivity of our country, but they are so often
excluded from bodies of this kind.
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Mr (Tottenham) (Lab)
The hon. Gentleman has made an important point about
further education. Does he also recognise that a
post-Brexit environment in which we are not absolutely
committed to driving up skills in this country is not
compatible with a determination to reduce immigration? For
that reason as well as all the others, I am surprised that
further education is not represented.
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The right hon. Gentleman has also made an important point.
Pre-Brexit or post-Brexit, skills must be the No. 1
priority for our country. We know that about 30% of young
people’s jobs will be lost to automation by 2030.
When Sir Michael Barber appeared before the Education
Committee on 27 March, we asked him whether he would like
to
“give consideration to the lack of people with direct
experience of FE and apprenticeship backgrounds on the
board”.
On 5 April, we received a letter from him, in which he
said:
“I recognise and agree with the clear message that was
delivered on the importance of representation from the
further education sector in our operations.”
He also said that the OfS would
“welcome high-quality applications from people with
experience of the further education sector when the DfE
launch their recruitment campaign for the current ‘ordinary
member’ board vacancy.”
Our Committee was so concerned by the process of
appointments to the board that we received a private
briefing from the Commissioner for Public Appointments, Mr
Peter Riddell, which laid bare some of the problems. I
would welcome the appointment of a panel of apprentices
alongside the OfS student panel to inform the work and
ensure that the views of apprentices are properly listened
to. Many further education students study for higher
degrees and FE will take a leading role in degree
apprenticeships. It is not right to say that students are
involved only in traditional degrees and traditional higher
education. Given the rapidly changing nature of higher
education and the increase in the number of degree
apprenticeships, it is crucial for the OfS board to be as
diverse and representative as possible. The OFS should be
leading the whole sector in its approach to embracing
different models of higher education.
As I said, I shall support the Government this evening but
I urge them to make it a priority to recruit a serious
representative from further education, from the Association
of Colleges or elsewhere, into the vacant position on the
board.
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Mr (Coventry South)
(Lab)
I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman knows as well as I
do what it means when we talk about further education. For
example, in Coventry there have been 27% cuts to further
education budgets. What impact does that have on
apprenticeships? More importantly, if we take that further
and look at university education, UCU is in dispute with
the Coventry University because it cannot get recognition.
To come back to the point, it cannot get recognition in
further education or in university education.
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It is true that for a number of years FE funding was
neglected. It has been stabilised, and I welcome the £500
million extra announced by the Government for the technical
education reforms in a recent Budget, but further education
needs a lot more funding. People say that it is the
Cinderella sector, but I say that Cinderella became a
princess and we should banish the ugly sisters of snobbery
and intolerance.
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(Harborough)
(Con)
My right hon. Friend is making a typically powerful and
passionate speech. Does he agree with the small businesses
that I met in my constituency last Friday, which say that
as they use the new money in the apprenticeship levy for
apprenticeships, they encounter problems with getting what
they want out of FE colleges? Does he agree that, for that
reason, it is very important that we have representation
for them in this new body so that employers can also get
what they want out of the new system?
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I agree with my hon. Friend. I hope that one day FE
colleges will lead the vast majority of apprentice training
in our country. It is good to have some private providers,
but further education has an incredibly important role.
That is my whole point: skills and apprenticeships should
be at the heart of the Office for Students. I sometimes
think that the powers that be have a traditionalist
approach to higher education and everything has to be about
traditional university degrees. They forget further
education, skills and apprenticeships.
I congratulate the Minister on his new role. I know that he
is a very thoughtful Minister and has been travelling up
and down the country; Sam on tour, as I have seen on
Twitter. I urge him to take this seriously—Sir Michael
Barber is open to it—and put an FE representative on the
board, and ensure that we have an apprentice panel too.
8.37 pm
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(Glasgow North West)
(SNP)
It is a pleasure to follow the Chair of the Select
Committee on Education, the right hon. Member for Harlow
(Robert Halfon), who spoke with such knowledge and sense.
He talked about the importance of apprenticeships and
skills. Throughout this debate and the education debate in
general, we should be talking more about positive
destinations. It is hard to promote apprenticeships as
leading to great job opportunities if we are constantly
talking about higher education. We need to promote them,
too, so it is good to hear his thoughts on that.
During the passage of the Higher Education and Research
Bill, the Scottish National party tabled amendments to
ensure that the new research body, UK Research and
Innovation, would include appropriate membership from the
devolved nations and that the membership and strategy of
UKRI took proper account of their policies and priorities.
On Third Reading, the SNP voted against the Bill because of
our concerns about a number of elements: tuition fee rises,
the marketisation of the higher education sector and the
dismantling of the research structure. They could have
serious consequences for Scotland’s sector, given that our
priorities might not be recognised, which could have an
impact on our world-renowned image and reputation. Our MPs
also voted to change the make-up of the Office for Students
to ensure proper student representation was allowed on the
board. It was disappointing that that did not happen.
We were also assured that UKRI would include somebody who
had knowledge of the devolved nations. At the moment, we
have that in Professor Sir Ian Diamond from the University
of Aberdeen, but the problem is that there is no guarantee
that that person will remain there and that the devolved
nations will continue to have representation as we did not
manage to get a guarantee in the Act. There is a serious
chance that this could have a negative impact on Scotland’s
higher education sector.
The UK Government said they would introduce a Bill that
would include measures set out in Sir Paul Nurse’s review
of the UK research councils. He noted:
“there is a need to solicit and respond to distinct
research priorities and evidence requirements identified by
the devolved administrations”
and that
“it is essential that the Research Councils should play a
strong role in…shaping research priorities and promoting
the distinctive requirements of UK research, including in
association with the devolved administrations.”
However, the Act and the formation of UK Research and
Innovation do not meet the overarching principles in the
Nurse report, because the governance of UKRI is accountable
only to the UK Government, with principally English
interests. Any piece of legislation that threatens
Scotland’s research priorities and has the potential to
damage the research funding that Scotland receives should
be amended. We remain concerned that UKRI will encompass
both cross-UK and England-only responsibilities, and that
it will not necessarily take account of the devolved
nations.
Abolishing the Director for Fair Access to Higher Education
sends out a worrying message. In Scotland, the Scottish
National party has long championed widening access, passing
legislation to ensure access to higher education for those
from the most deprived backgrounds. This Government need to
look at what the Scottish Government are doing to widen
access. The latest UCAS statistics show that a higher
proportion of those from the least deprived areas who apply
are successfully securing places at UK universities.
Given the problems that we have seen with the Office for
Students, perhaps the UK Government should seek to rethink
instead of ploughing on with this unpopular policy. The
embarrassing Government U-turn earlier this year over Toby
Young’s appointment shows how much of a shambles the
management of the OfS has been. How can people have faith
in it when it failed on day one? A report by the
Commissioner for Public Appointments has sharply criticised
the Department for Education and the Office for Students
for failing to complete proper due diligence on Toby Young
before his appointment as England’s new university
regulator in January. The commissioner’s report concludes
that the OfS’s board appointments, including Young, showed
a “clear disparity” in the treatment of different
candidates. It stated that parts of the process
“had serious shortcomings in terms of the fairness and
transparency”.
It also states that there was a high degree of ministerial
interference in Young’s appointment. This calls into
question the integrity of the Office for Students from the
very outset, and this must be looked into, alongside proper
student representation at the OfS.
When we are talking about a commodity as valuable as
education, we have to be really careful when we look at the
marketisation of this sector. A constituent came to see me
recently. He had come from England, although that is
actually irrelevant. He had been through a number of
private providers and he had spent thousands of pounds on
qualifications that were effectively useless. This is the
difficulty that we find when we open up higher education to
marketisation. We must protect our education sector, and we
must protect education as the valuable resource that it is.
This Government would do well to look north to Scotland on
this.
8.43 pm
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(Mansfield) (Con)
The simple fact is that universities and students need
these regulations to be implemented. I am not sure that the
hon. Member for Ashton-under-Lyne (Angela Rayner) mentioned
the contents of this statutory instrument once in her
remarks. They are transitional. The regulations are
entirely sensible and intended to fill the regulatory gap
that has been left following the abolition of the Higher
Education Funding Council for England earlier this month.
They enable the Office for Students and UK Research and
Innovation to take on the statutory functions of the Higher
Education Funding Council for England and of the Director
of Fair Access to Higher Education between now and July
next year, after which the new regulatory system will be
functioning.
Given that the hon. Lady spent her opening speech talking
about the details of the OfS, it is fairly obvious that
Labour Members’ opposition to these proposals has nothing
to do with this statutory instrument at all. They have been
vocal about their reservations on the OfS, and that is
fine, but voting down this Bill will not change that. It
will simply wreck the regulation of universities for the
next 15 months, and it will be the students who suffer as a
result. This is about the transition. It is a dry SI about
the process; it is not about what we are transitioning to,
a decision which has already been taken. Labour’s
opposition to this SI is therefore totally misjudged. It is
almost as though Labour Members saw the words “higher
education” in the title of a piece of legislation and
thought, “We can bash the Tories on this subject.”
If the regulations are annulled, students will ultimately
lose out. They would no longer have vital protections to
address concerns about governance, quality or financial
sustainability in their education. They could face
increased fees, because it is only these regulations that
ensure that a cap on student fees remains in place.
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(Bishop Auckland)
(Lab)
My understanding is that the Office for Students is
supposed to protect students’ interests. One of the things
that students are most worried about is that, whereas the
Bank of England charges bankers 0.5% on loans, the Student
Loans Company will charge them over 6% next year. Does the
OfS have the power to cut that interest rate in the
interests of students?
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I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, but she totally
misunderstands this legislation, which is not about the
Office for Students or its powers. The Government have
launched a review of higher education funding to find out
whether what she suggests is something that we can or
should do. That will be important going forward, but it is
not what this SI is about.
The Opposition have talked repeatedly about standing up for
students, continually claiming to be the voice of students
and discussing their plans to abolish tuition fees, and yet
here they are risking the cap on fees by opposing the
regulations. Let us not forget that the Opposition does not
have the strongest record on keeping education promises.
Before the election, the leader of the Opposition said that
he would “deal with” existing student debt. Afterwards,
however, he told Andrew Marr that he did not make that
commitment, that he would not write the debt off, and that
he was unaware of the size of the debt. He made promises
without knowing the full facts and ultimately realised that
he could not deliver them.
The Opposition talk about tuition fees preventing people
from going to university, but the truth is that more
disadvantaged 18-year-olds are going to university under
this Government than ever before. Students from
disadvantaged backgrounds were 50% more likely to attend
university in 2017 than they were in 2009 under Labour, and
our results on this kind of social mobility compare
favourably with other countries, such as Scotland where
higher education is free.
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(Morley and Outwood)
(Con)
I was the first person in the family to go to university,
and I did not go until I was 40 when I was fighting a
general election campaign. Teaching quality was important
for mature students like me, so does my hon. Friend agree
that the Office for Students will help to improve that?
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My hon. Friend is exactly right that the legislation will
ensure that we have regulation from the Office for Students
over the next 15 months instead of a gap between now and
the middle of next year.
The irony is that Labour’s position on tuition fees is the
least socialist idea that I have ever heard. Labour ignores
the figures that I have just shared and says that
universities do not take enough students from poorer
backgrounds and that they are for the rich. However,
despite those assumptions, it proposes raising taxes to
fund free university education.
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Does my hon. Friend agree that it was Labour Members who
brought in tuition fees in the first place?
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My hon. Friend makes a fair point. Labour proposes raising
taxes for poorer people who do not get the benefit of
higher education in order to fund free higher education for
rich people. It is the opposite of socialism and the
opposite of promoting social mobility. It is another
totally illogical giveaway that looks nice on a leaflet but
is totally illogical and undeliverable.
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Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
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I am going to crack on and finish because I am nearly done.
Moving on from fees, without this agreement there is a risk
that universities will not receive crucial grant funding.
These transitional regulations enable the OfS to allocate
£1.3 billion of teaching grants. Without this legislation,
there would be no means to give out those grants and no
provision to offer access agreements to support
disadvantaged students in the next academic year.
I understand that the Opposition have reservations about
how the OfS board has been set up and about appointments to
it, but this is not the place to raise such issues. Those
decisions have already been made, and their actions
risk—[Interruption.]
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Madam Deputy Speaker (Mrs Eleanor Laing)
Order. The hon. Gentleman must be heard. It is no use
everybody shouting at him, because we cannot hear what he
is saying.
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I have one line left, so I am nearly there.
The Opposition’s actions risk creating a regulatory gap in
the higher education sector and uncertainty for both
students and universities. Ultimately, it is that
uncertainty that we are trying to avoid, which is why I am
supporting the Government today.
8.49 pm
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(Leeds North West)
(Lab/Co-op)
This will be a short speech about why I support the motion
of my hon. Friend the Member for Ashton-under-Lyne (Angela
Rayner) and why the Office for Students is not fit for
purpose.
I am a former student union executive officer and NUS
full-time elected officer. The Government are excluding
student representation on entirely spurious grounds, so it
is not an office for students but an office against
students. On 20 March, The Guardian reported that
university leaders described the Office for Students as the
“Office for State Control,” warning that it would prove
disastrous for higher education and is “dangerous for
democracy.”
The Government’s power grab is not being challenged by
people in the sector, as they fear reprisals from
Ministers, so it is for us in the Opposition to speak up
for them. An anonymous vice-chancellor said:
“It is a huge problem if we feel we cannot criticise
government. A lot of VCs feel that if they speak out they
risk being ripped apart by the media. If there is a lack of
leadership at UUK that is a massive problem.”
How have the Government managed to create both a culture
and an institution akin to the Ministry of Love in George
Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four” in which university
vice-chancellors, the leaders of this country’s great
institutions of learning and research, cannot speak out? In
a modern democracy, that is a shameful indictment of the
Government. This chapter, on how the state has treated
universities in this country, will live long in the history
of infamy. This motion is not only necessary but essential
if we are to guard universities’ academic freedom. We must
think again about how the Office for Students is
constructed.
I understand but strongly disagree with the Government’s
need to turn higher education into a complete market
economy in which students do not fulfil their desire to
learn and grow but are consumers there to fulfil a future
economic need. There is a drive for deregulation, the free
marketeers’ dream.
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Dr (Stroud) (Lab/Co-op)
Does my hon. Friend accept that, as one vice-chancellor
told me, there is at least a suspicion that we are moving
back to the binary divide between the Russell Group and the
new universities? That is a worrying development because it
will play out in terms of value for money, and it will end
up with the Russell Group charging higher fees and new
universities having to charge lower fees.
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I have a 1992 university in my constituency and I am a
graduate and former student union officer of a Russell
Group university, and I agree with my hon. Friend. The rot
will set in when we start to have differential fees, which
some of us here opposed at the time.
We need to create an institution that supports our bastions
of learning, rather than one that tries to sanitise them.
We need to transform how students view their institutions
and the Office for Students. We need to view these
institutions differently from other actors in the free
market—they are not a shop or retail outlet but places
where people come to learn and grow.
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The hon. Gentleman is kind in giving way. Is his
understanding of the motion the same as mine? If it is
approved and the Office for Students is abolished, my
understanding is that there will be no fee cap at all on
providers, so all providers will be able to raise their
fees. There is a control on fees at the moment because of
the Office for Students. I am very worried about that, but
I do not know whether he is.
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I was here in July when we debated the statutory instrument
on the fee cap, so SIs do come to the Floor of the House.
The Office for Students needs to operate properly and
enshrine academic freedom. That is what we need, and that
is what the motion would achieve.
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A bit of learning and growing by Government Members would
be helpful. Does my hon. Friend agree that we cannot amend
SIs? We can only vote them down, and then the Government
must table another one. We did not invent that process for
this occasion.
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My hon. Friend has been here far longer than me and it is
good to know that lots of Members are learning about the
statutory instrument process as we sit here and speak. I
knew we could not amend an SI in the same way as we can
amend primary legislation, but I am sure this is not going
to be the end on this SI if the motion is defeated tonight.
The Government may come back with a better offer, given the
opportunity.
In conclusion, I just want to touch on the previous
appointment to the regulator. On the marketisation of
education, the Government chose to appoint their chief
cheerleader in this transformation, Toby Young, a figure so
abhorrent to the sector that he barely lasted a week. That
is where we are with the governance of the OfFS. Today, we
have our opportunity to start the fightback to get
ourselves an Office for Students that is fit for purpose
and to curb the Government’s enthusiasm for a consumer
higher education market. We can start the journey back to
universities as places where people want to go to grow and
learn, and where people are not simply going to a sausage
factory for this Government’s failed policies.
8.55 pm
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(South Suffolk)
(Con)
In the remarks of the hon. Member for Ashton-under-Lyne
(Angela Rayner), whose passion I admire, my colleagues will
have been struck by her use of the phrase “ideologically
driven, free market privatisation”. Those with particularly
good memories will have heard those words some years ago. I
refer, as I am sure you will know, Madam Deputy Speaker, to
the Second Reading debate on the Education (Schools) Bill
on 19 November 1991. My right hon. and learned Friend the
Member for Rushcliffe (Mr Clarke), now the Father of the
House, introduced that Bill, which established performance
tables and Ofsted. The shadow Labour spokesman, Derek
Fatchett, the former Member for Leeds, Central, said in
winding up:
“We shall vote against it this evening. We shall campaign
against it and ensure that parents throughout Britain see
the Bill as deeply damaging, because it is an ideologically
driven privatising measure.”—[Official Report, 19 November
1991; Vol. 199, c. 232.]
The exact same wording was used to describe the creation of
Ofsted, which is now a part of the warp and weft of the
education system and on which my constituents rely. Parents
in our constituencies rely on it to look at standards in
schools, which in itself drives up the standards in our
schools. So the hon. Lady has got the wrong end of the
stick, because the OfS is there to do the same thing.
We have to ask ourselves a simple question: what is the
purpose of higher education? It is to deliver the best
possible quality of education for our young people, so that
they can stand on their own two feet and make the most of
their talents. Some have an obsession with whether it is
free—I agree there are concerns about the interest rate and
the level of debt—but the purpose of education is what
people get at the end of it and what it does to help them
make the most of their lives. I want us to establish an OfS
that drives up standards by bringing the same transparency
that has applied from Ofsted, empowering students just as
Ofsted empowers parents. It is a simple principle: driving
up standards through competition. Labour Members do not
understand it, which is why they are making the same
mistake as they did in 1991, ranting about privatisation
and ideology. They are the ones with the ideology: they are
anti-quality and anti-aspiration.
8.57 pm
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(Ilford North)
(Lab)
As the first person in my family to go to university and to
have made it from free school meals in an inner-city state
school to the University of Cambridge, I am not taking any
lectures from the Conservative party about being
anti-aspiration. It is because so many of my constituents
have high aspirations for their children to go on to
high-quality technical education or high-quality higher
education that I am so concerned about the direction of
Government policy.
As much as Conservative Members come here this evening to
accuse the Labour party of trying to bring down the OfS by
daring to vote against the statutory instrument, they
neglect to notice that this SI was not in place yesterday
and yet the architecture of the higher education sector has
not fallen apart. It is not in place today, yet the higher
education sector still seems to manage to function. If they
expect us to pass any old rubbish on the basis that we have
to pass it or there will be calamity, I have to tell them
that, unfortunately for the Conservative party, they did
not win a majority at the last election, and they have to
get used to winning arguments and to parliamentary
scrutiny. Presumably, that is why they bring forward so
little legislation; they realise that this House of Commons
will not pass any old rubbish.
That brings me to the statutory instrument we are dealing
with this evening. The Office for Students is the logical
conclusion of a vision of a higher education system in
which, as my hon. Friend the shadow Secretary of State
said, the market rules supreme and which seeks to reduce
higher education to a commodity for students to purchase as
consumers and trade in for future success in the workplace.
We were promised that the Office for Students would be this
great champion of consumers, but we have seen precious
little evidence of that so far.
The tragedy is that the Government managed to find a
well-respected chair of the Office for Students, who was
the architect of the system and who believes in their
vision of a consumer-driven higher education system. The
problem for the chair of the Office for Students and its
very capable poacher-turned-gamekeeper chief executive is
that, because of politicisation by the Government and their
sheer incompetence, the Office for Students has been left
discredited by the political process that led to the
composition of its board. How can they come here with a
straight face and defend a process that was condemned by
the Commissioner for Public Appointments, who found not
only that assurances given to this place were incorrect,
but that there was direct political interference by special
advisers from 10 Downing Street?
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(Colne Valley)
(Lab)
The report by the Commissioner for Public Appointments on
recruitment to the Office for Students highlighted several
concerns about fairness and consistency in the appointment
process. Will my hon. Friend comment on how students and
universities can be expected to place any trust in that
body as a regulator?
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I wholeheartedly agree with my hon. Friend. In fact, one of
the things about the appointments process that has deeply
damaged the standing of the OfS in the eyes of students was
the insistence by Government political advisers that there
should be no representatives from students unions or the
National Union of Students on the board. The Government did
not say, “We’re going to cast the net wide, and if we find
a student who is more capable than an elected officer of
the NUS or a students union, we’ll appoint them,” but
instead effectively blacklisted the NUS and students
unions. As a former president of the NUS, I think that is
an absolute disgrace, not least because students who are
elected have the confidence of the student body. They
present manifestos about the issues that those they
represent care about.
If the Government had listened a bit more to what students
were saying, perhaps they would not be in the political
mess they are in, not just with students but with their
parents and grandparents, who are horrified that tuition
fees have been trebled, that student grants for the poorest
were abolished and that the education maintenance allowance
for students in further education was scrapped. The
Government have got themselves into a real mess by failing
to listen to people who know best about higher education,
which is the people who work in it and the people who learn
from it. It is a disgrace that there is no NUS
representative on the board of the Office for Students.
It is also a disgrace that there is no staff representative
from the University and College Union. Recent events,
particularly in the pensions dispute, have shown that the
lack of effective dialogue between staff representatives
and university leaders leads to students being severely
disadvantaged, but we have barely heard a peep from the
Government about that crisis. They seem to have their heads
in the sand. It is deeply regrettable that the Office for
Students has been so deeply damaged by politicisation in
the run-up to its creation, and the Government should not
be surprised that we wish to oppose this statutory
instrument this evening.
Finally, let me gently say, without apology or any humility
whatsoever, that many of the issues that have confronted
the Government, particularly vice-chancellor pay and
scrutiny and accountability, would easily have been dealt
with had they accepted more amendments from me and my
party’s Front Bench during the Higher Education and
Research Bill Committee. I warned them that vice-chancellor
pay was soaring out of control, and I proposed a modest
amendment that would have put student and staff
representatives on remuneration committees to better hold
vice-chancellors’ pay to account, but that modest proposal
was rejected by the Minister’s predecessor. The Government
must be regretting that now. I also tabled an amendment
that would have required universities to publish the ratios
of the highest-paid to the lowest-paid at their
institutions, to allow students, staff and the public to
better hold them to account. That modest proposal was
rejected as well.
As my hon. Friend the shadow Secretary of State said, the
truth is that, when it comes to championing the interests
of students and making our higher education sector better,
fairer and more equitable, the Government do not listen and
do not act. I agree strongly with what the Chair of the
Education Committee said about the lack of further
education representation. If we are serious about a further
and higher education system that is well placed not just to
serve the needs of our future economy, but to champion
social justice, the Government need to do a damn sight
better than they have done with the creation of the Office
for Students. They cannot expect an effective Opposition to
wade through statutory instruments like this when the work
beneath it is so shabby and poor.
9.04 pm
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(Faversham and Mid
Kent) (Con)
We are blessed with great universities in this country and
I welcome the expansion that we have had in the number of
students attending university—50% of school leavers now go
to university. That is truly welcome, but—there is
obviously a but coming—not all universities are great and
not all courses are great. In fact, only 32% of students
say that they consider their university to be value for
money. There is too weak a link between the funding of
universities and the quality of teaching. Students deserve
better and students want better. They want to make a more
informed choice about the university that they go to.
Just last week, a sixth form student was doing work
experience with me. She was weighing up a choice of two or
three universities—one has a better reputation by word of
mouth, but another does better in the data of the National
Student Survey. She was using that information to make an
informed choice, which is a very positive sign that we are
providing students with better information about the
options and that very important decision—a decision that
will have lifelong consequences—on what university to go
to.
What we know is that transparency and regulation drive up
quality. For a student, that process will help to drive up
the quality of what universities offer. My hon. Friend the
Member for South Suffolk (James Cartlidge) talked about
Ofsted. We know that Ofsted has done that for schools and
that the Care Quality Commission has been and is doing that
for healthcare. That is where the Office for Students comes
in. As a new regulator, it is far more focused on students,
on what students need and on the quality of teaching for
students. The Labour party should welcome that new
regulator. As we have the Minister is in his place, may I
just say that the new regulator should go even further in
what it looks at? It should go beyond looking at the
quality of teaching to the wider experience of students and
the outcomes for students. I ask him to consider extending
its remit to include student well-being and mental health.
Although university is an exciting time, it is also an
extremely challenging time for students. They are often
living away from home for the first time. There are many
transitions that they are making and they are taking much
greater responsibility for themselves, and it can be a
lonely and isolating time. More students are seeking help
with their mental health, but not all are getting it. Not
even a third of universities have a mental health and
well-being strategy. Only 29% even monitor attendance, so
they do not know what their students are doing. One sign of
a student struggling will be that they are not attending
lectures and tutorials.
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I am very interested in what the hon. Lady is saying and I
have sympathy with it. UA92, which I was talking about a
few moments ago, makes great play of its emphasis on
developing the character of its students—something that I
know not all higher education institutions seek to do. Does
she agree that it would be useful for the OfS to think of
ways of measuring and evaluating that, too?
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I agree. The OfS should include that in its remit and look
at measuring not only quality of teaching, but the outcomes
for students and what universities do for students’
well-being and mental health. There is work being done on
this led by Universities UK and I would very much like for
that to be taken up by the OfS.
In conclusion, in addition to the OFS’s very welcome focus
on what students need and better quality of teaching, it
should also look at the wider experience and outcomes for
students.
9.08 pm
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Mr (Tottenham) (Lab)
The Minister will be aware that, as a former Minister, I am
concerned about the loss of the Office for Fair Access and
about whether access will continue to be an important theme
under the new Office for Students. We have a lot to do,
particularly on fair access to the Russell Group. The
Minister will be aware of the work that I have tried to do,
particularly in relation to Oxbridge. I look forward to
going to Cambridge later this week to discuss in more
detail what it is doing to get young people from the
regions, particularly from the north of England, and
particularly from poorer backgrounds and ethnic minority
backgrounds. I have some faith, of course, in the
leadership of Michael Barber and Nicola Dandridge, but it
is right to say, as my hon. Friend the shadow Education
Secretary indicated, that the Office for Students got off
to a very bumpy start indeed with the Toby Young affair.
When the Minister gets to his feet, I hope that he might
say something about further education in particular. A lot
of Members across the House would say that, if someone has
three or four children in this country and only one is
academic, Britain is still one of the best places in the
world in which to be born. But I do not think that any of
us believe that this country has cracked it when it comes
to vocational skills; we are a long way off. It is a
mistake not to have FE represented in such an important
body, which is regulator, funder and has important levers
in relation to the provider. I do hope that the Minister
will look again at the important role of FE, as has been
suggested by the Labour Front-Bench team and the Chair of
the Education Committee.
In an age where student satisfaction is everything—that
journey began many years ago, when we decided to move
towards a regime of fees—it seems paradoxical that the
student voice is not as present in this new body as it
probably should be. [Interruption.] The Minister nods from
a sedentary position that it is. I look forward to him
explaining how that is the case. If it is the case, why
does he think that students should be afforded less of a
status, frankly, than others who sit on the board?
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The Minister for Universities, Science, Research and
Innovation (Mr Sam Gyimah)
That point has been raised a number of times during this
debate. For the first time, there will be a regulator that
will have a student panel and a student representative on
the board. I was there for the inaugural meeting and those
representatives are doing great work. The suggestion that
the student voice is somehow not represented is simply
inaccurate.
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Mr Lammy
Well, it cannot be entirely inaccurate because the most
powerful student voice in the country is, in fact, the
National Union of Students, and it is not entirely happy.
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It was, in fact, the case that the president of the
National Union of Students sat around the board table of
the Higher Education Funding Council for England, so it is
not true to say that what we have now is an improvement. We
have a token student on the board of the OfS with no
representative background whatever, and a talking shop that
has no real teeth. That is not the same as having a board
member.
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Mr Lammy
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I seem to remember that
when I was a younger, slimmer Minister with responsibility
for universities, there was a younger, slimmer who occupied that very
role. With that, I look forward to hearing from the
Minister.
9.13 pm
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The Minister for Universities, Science, Research and
Innovation (Mr Sam Gyimah)
When I walked into the Chamber and listened to the shadow
Secretary of State, the hon. Member for Ashton-under-Lyne
(Angela Rayner), I thought for a moment that I had walked
into the wrong debate. Although the Opposition prayed
against the Government’s legislation, meaning that we had
to have this debate on the Floor of the House, it took
quite a long time for me to realise that she was actually
speaking to her motion, because nothing that she said was
relevant or bore any resemblance to its content. The motion
is actually a very serious one that calls for the set of
regulations before the House to be annulled, although she
said that that was not the case at all.
This legislation should be a piece of good news for the
House. For the first time in the age of the student—when
students should no longer be grateful for the experience
that universities dish out to them, but should have a
champion for them—this Government have set up a new
regulator to perform that role. But of course the
Opposition chose not to recognise that, saying instead that
we should annul the legislation.
The first point—I will speak specifically to the SI—is that
annulling this legislation is unviable. It is unviable to
continue with the existing legislation. That is because the
Higher Education and Research Act—HERA—replaces the
previous legislative framework for higher education that
was established in 1992, when the sector was smaller and
competition was limited. The majority of funding came from
direct grants, to which HEFCE attached conditions. The
situation now is fundamentally different. Of 131 higher
education institutions funded by HEFCE until April this
year, 90 receive less than 15% of their income directly
from Government. Attaching conditions to grant funding is
simply no longer a viable mechanism to deliver regulatory
oversight and to protect students’ interests in the long
term.
The Office for Students is an independent regulator that
puts the interests of students and value for money at its
heart. It stands for a new, outcome-driven approach to
regulation that seeks to open up university opportunities
to all, to enhance the student experience, to improve the
accountability and transparency of providers, to promote
the quality and flexibility of higher education choices,
and, crucially, to protect students’ interests. The old
system, to which the Opposition would like to return, is a
recipe for state control of universities, and it would see
a return to top-down planning of higher education and
student number controls. This would be a fundamental
undoing.
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(Sheffield Central)
(Lab)
As the Minister will know, I wrote to him on the point
raised by the hon. Member for Faversham and Mid Kent (Helen
Whately) about the remit of the OfS. Does he recognise that
if it is to be a champion for students, its remit needs to
be more widely drawn? Does he recognise the point made by
the all-party parliamentary group on students that adding a
responsibility for wellbeing, with special regard to
students’ mental health, would balance out the current
remit and demonstrate that the OfS was more interested in
putting students first? I regret, as he might perhaps
recognise, that he did not respond directly to that point
but simply passed it on to the OfS for comment. Will he
take this opportunity to agree with the hon. Lady, with me
and with many Members on both sides of the House that the
remit needs to be broadened in this respect?
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Mr Gyimah
The remit of the OfS is already very broad. I passed the
letter on to it for comment, as an independent regulator,
and it is right for it to respond to the hon. Gentleman. I
agree, however, that there is an issue around student
wellbeing that needs tackling, whether via the OfS or via
another route. It is something that we should be alive to.
The Chairman of the Education Committee and the right hon.
Member for Tottenham (Mr Lammy) mentioned the role of
further education, in particular. I assure them that the
Secretary of State’s first set of strategic guidance to the
OfS set a very clear expectation that apprenticeships must
be taken into account whenever the OfS exercises its
functions, and that apprentices must be represented within
its widening access and participation activity. I note the
points that have been made about the composition of the
board.
However, the key point is that there is no going back. HERA
has established the new Office for Students, which
regulates in a very different way by imposing terms and
conditions on providers that want to be on its register,
and only registered providers can benefit from their
students having access to student support. The OfS is
already operational, and there is no going back. HEFCE has
already been abolished, as has the Office for Fair Access.
Both ceased to exist on 1 April, and annulling these
regulations does not change that. That ship has already
sailed, and neither of these bodies can be resurrected
without primary legislation. The OfS now has important
responsibilities for access and participation and is
already pushing higher education providers to make greater
progress through their access and participation plans for
2019-20.
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The Minister and I have corresponded about the impact of
the recent strike on students and the fact that
universities do not really have a financial incentive to
settle the strikes because they get the tuition fees in and
save money on the lecturers’ pay. A further question I have
about the OfS’s remit is whether it will have the power to
order the institutions to pay the students compensation.
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Mr Gyimah
The hon. Lady makes a perfect case for the OfS. The reason
why the OfS could not have intervened in the recent strikes
is that it did not exist statutorily at that point, but
were the OfS to be in place, that is exactly the sort of
issue it could take on and champion on behalf of students.
That is why we have brought this legislation before the
House.
Let me absolutely clear about the effect on students and
providers alike if this motion is carried. First, students’
fees will be uncapped. While the amount of fees that
students can be charged is set out in separate legislation,
these transitional regulations ensure that until the new
regime goes fully live on 1 August 2019, a cap remains on
student fees. Without these regulations, students’ fees
would be completely uncapped. That would happen
immediately, and it would be the Opposition’s fault.
Overnight, there would be no legal barrier to prevent
students from being charged the same fees that providers
charge to international students. What would that mean for
students? In 2017, international students paid between
£10,000 and £35,000 annually for lecture-based
undergraduate degrees, and for undergraduate medical
degrees some providers charge up to £38,000 per year.
Simply put, a vote to annul these regulations is a vote to
allow tuition fees to be increased without any upper limit.
Without fee caps, we lose access plans, because it is the
incentive of being able to charge students up to the
current higher fee cap that drives providers towards
agreeing access plans. Without fee caps, that incentive is
removed. Many Members in the debate have commented on the
importance of access, especially to our elite universities,
but a vote to annul these regulations is a vote to remove
the key tools currently used to boost access and
participation. We need an orderly transition to the new
regulator.
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Will the Minister give way?
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Mr Gyimah
The hon. Gentleman has already had his chance. Establishing
a single regulator, which brings together
the—[Interruption.]
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Madam Deputy Speaker (Mrs Eleanor Laing)
Order. People have been asking questions of the Minister
all evening and now they are not listening to his answers.
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Mr Gyimah
Madam Deputy Speaker, you make a fine Chair.
Establishing a single regulator, which brings together the
regulatory functions of HEFCE in relation to teaching in
higher education with the statutory remit of the Director
of Fair Access, delivers a significant change in ownership
of responsibility for widening access and participation. It
brings together the powers, duties, expertise and resources
under the collective responsibility of the OfS and allows
for a smooth and orderly transition.
In conclusion, during the passage of the Higher Education
and Research Act, Members across the House debated long and
hard about the future of higher education. Irrespective of
different views about how we finance higher education or
how it should be regulated, there will always be an
imperative to ensure that students are getting a
high-quality experience and positive outcomes from the time
and effort they put into their education. This Government
firmly believe that giving students real and well-informed
choices is the most effective way to achieve that, and that
the regulatory system should be designed to support healthy
competition on a level playing field.
In attempting to annul these regulations, the Opposition
are proving that they have no desire to give students more
information, protection, choice or value for their money,
and that they will bring nothing other than chaos and
confusion for students and providers alike. While I am
dismayed that the Opposition prayed against these
regulations and did not even utter one sentence about them,
I urge the House to vote for this important champion of
students.
Question put,
Division 138
23 April 2018 9.24 pm
The House divided:
Ayes: 211 Noes: 291
Question accordingly negatived.
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